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Old Oct 27, 2013, 06:33 PM
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Tarot Ironman 650 - 32 Minutes FPV Quad and X8 mod

Probably everyone have read EOD's 95 minutes quad with custom frame and custom batteries, and my 50 minutes quad that uses all stock parts and normal LiPo battery by now. My 50 minutes quad has gone through version 1.0, 2.0, 2.1, and 2.2. I seem to have hit the limit on carrying heavy stuff with this tiny frame. The single clamp that holds each arm just flex a bit much when the load get really heavy. So I'm going to have some experiment on a stronger frame.

Since I love how sturdy and strong the Tarot frames from my experience with the T810, I'm going to try the Ironman 650 quad. Version 1.0 is going to be just the basic quad as it was intended. Version 2.0 is going to be an X8 modification.

Ordered whole bunch of parts from the Tarot site. It's gonna be another interesting journey.

Basic Setup:
1x Tarot IRON MAN 650 $114.16 + $58.75 (Fedex from China) or the plastic leg version for $92.50
4x Tiger Motor MN4010-11 475kv (for 3s setup) $339.60 USD + S/H $16.65 + $2.50
1x DJI NAZA-M V2 + GPS $428.00 + $5.70
4x Maytech Eagle 40A ESC OPTO (SimonK) $38.99x4 = $155.96 + $5.75 (or any 20-30A simonK ESC will do)
1x (2Pairs) 17x5.5" Carbon Fiber CW CCW Propellers $39.97
Spektrum AR8000 and Sat $130

FPV stuff:
1x SONY SUPER HAD II CCD Camera 2.8mm Lens (PZ0420 Clone) $39.99 +$3.67
1x 5.8G 400mw 8CH Video Transmitter $75 + S/H
5.8G Diversity Receiver $99
1x NAZA iOSD Mark II $255 (This or Mini-iOSD below)
1x DJI iOS Ground Station + Mini iOSD + CAN bus Hub DJIiOSCombo1 $299.00 + $8.90 S/H
1x FPV Pan/Tilt Mount w/9g Servos

Tools and other:
Multi-Rotor Power Distribution Board $2.2
Turnigy Pure-Silicone Wire 14AWG (1mtr) RED (USA warehouse) US$1.51
Turnigy Pure-Silicone Wire 14AWG (1mtr) BLACK (USA warehouse) US$1.51
Male XT60 connectors $1.81
Male JST battery pigtail 10cm length (10pcs/bag) $1.79
PolyMax 3.5mm Gold Connectors 10 PAIR $1.73
Heat Shrink Tubes
Turnigy Imperial Hex Driver Set (050, 1/16, 5/64 & 3/32) 4pc $6.63
Turnigy Hex Driver set 1.5~ 3.0 $4.13

LiPo:
Turnigy nano-tech 8400mah 3S 40~80C (641g) $77.00
ZIPPY Compact 5800mAh 4S 25C (569g) $41.64
ZIPPY Flightmax 8000mAh 4S1P 30C (845g) $58.33

VERSION 2 - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...9#post26716468
Turnigy Multistar 4822-490Kv 22Pole Multi-Rotor Outrunner US$30.99
8x RCTimer 30A OPTO SimonK ESC $12.49

Motor Mount
4 ea. Tarot M16 aircraft motor mount / blue TL68B08-02 $26.00
http://www.tarot-rc.com/index.php?ma...roducts_id=212
4 ea. Tarot M16 flight seat motor mount / orange TL68B08-01 $26.00
http://www.tarot-rc.com/index.php?ma...roducts_id=213

Standoffs
8 ea. Tarot M2.5H5 Hexagonal aluminum column 22MM TL65B05 $14.67
http://www.tarot-rc.com/index.php?ma...roducts_id=199
8 ea. Tarot Metal 16MM carbon tube clamper group TL68B05 $37.33
http://www.tarot-rc.com/index.php?ma...roducts_id=215

I had a tough time mounting stuff on the bottom rails so I used 2 of these thinner tubes:
2 ea. Tarot Φ8MM 3K pattern pure carbon nanotubes (300MM) / two loaded $9.33
http://www.tarot-rc.com/index.php?ma...roducts_id=206

Battery mounts
2 ea. Tarot FY680 six-axis aircraft flip battery rack TL68B14 $11.67
http://www.tarot-rc.com/index.php?ma...roducts_id=198

VERSION 2 - X8, is now for sale for $1100 (plus shipping charge to you). Save you lot of shipping charges from ordering different parts from various vendors.
For sale copter includes:
Ironman 650 frame with carbon fiber landing gear
X8 setup with all 17" props
4x Tiger Motor MN4010-11 475kv on top
4x Multistar 4822-490Kv at the bottom
NAZA V2 GPS
2 bottom rails
Battery NOT included.
Radio receiver NOT included. If you want, you can choose Spektrum or Futaba receiver and I can purchase the receiver you want and setup for you.
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Old Oct 27, 2013, 06:34 PM
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THE QUAD IS DONE. RECAP FROM LATER POSTS:

Bare frame most basic setup with just one 8400 3s:
1x 8400 3s
AUW: 2.055kg, Actual Power Used: 6009.12 mAh, 18A, 205.2W
Actual Flight Time:20m 2s
Prorated 80% Battery Usage Flight Time: 22m 16s
Current/Power: 4.5A per motor, 51.3 W per motor
Efficiency: 99.8 W / kg



FPV Setup





Bare frame with 2x8400mAh
2x8400 3s 40C with 17"x5.5 props with no FPV gear mounted
AUW: 2.710kg, Actual Power Used: 13521 mAh, 23.8A (2.09C), 271.7W
Actual Flight Time:34m 2s
Prorated 80% Battery Usage Flight Time: 33m 37s
Current/Power: 6A per motor, 67.9 W per motor
Efficiency: 100.3 W / kg

FPV Setup with 2x8400mAh
2x8400 3s 40C with 17"x5.5 props with FPV gear powered on
AUW: 2.895kg, Actual Power Used: 13688 mAh, 25.5A (2.24C), 290.9W
Actual Flight Time:32m 11s
Prorated 80% Battery Usage Flight Time: 31m 24s
Efficiency: 100.5 W / kg



VERSION 2 - X8 Modification









eCalc estimate: http://www.ecalc.ch/xcoptercalc.htm?...h=5.5&blades=2
Actual measured data:

X8 with 2x8400 3s 40C
AUW: 3.595kg, Actual Power Used: 12850 mAh, 32.7A (2.87C), 372.4W
Actual Flight Time:23m 36s
Prorated 80% Battery Usage Flight Time: 23m 19s
Current/Power: 4.1A per motor, 46.6 W per motor
Efficiency: 103.6 W / kg

X8 with 3x8400 3s 40C with Gimbal and GoPro
AUW: 4.55kg, Actual Power Used: 22535 mAh, 45A (3.95C), 512.9W
Actual Flight Time:30m 3s
Prorated 80% Battery Usage Flight Time: 26m 43s
Current/Power: 5.6A per motor, 64.1 W per motor
Efficiency: 112.7 W / kg



VERSION 2.1 - Upper/Lower Motors mounting close, and with SLR on an old style gimbal







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Old Oct 31, 2013, 06:14 PM
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This first of my many orders have arrived. Waiting patiently for the rest of them...



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Old Nov 02, 2013, 07:30 PM
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More toys arrived. And the CAN HUB does exist!



Guess what I'm gonna do.

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What brand retracts in the photo shown.

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Old Nov 02, 2013, 07:45 PM
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Cheapy HobbyKing.
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 09:47 PM
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just make the x8 in the first place dudeski !
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 10:07 PM
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If you just make it X8, there is nothing to compare to. I believe nobody here uses this particular T-Motor pancake yet.
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 10:11 PM
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My Tarot 650 shipment just arrived. Too bad I'm still in Las Vegas for the whole week.

Status History & Comments
Date Order Status Comments
10/25/2013 Pending
10/25/2013 Pending Transaction ID:
Payment Type: PayPal Express Checkout (instant)
Timestamp: 2013-10-25T07:28:43Z
Payment Status: Completed
Amount: 316.24 USD
10/25/2013 Processing
10/29/2013 Delivered to fedex


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Date/Time Activity Location
- 11/04/2013 - Monday
12:35 pm
Delivered
HUNTINGTON STATION, NY
10:49 am
On FedEx vehicle for delivery
MELVILLE, NY
7:21 am
At local FedEx facility
MELVILLE, NY
- 11/02/2013 - Saturday
6:29 am
At destination sort facility
JAMAICA, NY
3:39 am
Departed FedEx location
MEMPHIS, TN
12:29 am
International shipment release - Import
MEMPHIS, TN
- 11/01/2013 - Friday
11:23 pm
Arrived at FedEx location
MEMPHIS, TN
10:05 pm
In transit
LANTAU ISLAND HK
6:10 pm
Left FedEx origin facility
YUEN LONG HK
11:15 am
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YUEN LONG HK
- 10/29/2013 - Tuesday
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 10:12 PM
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Ok,
When do you start your build...
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 10:15 PM
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I'm still in Vegas for a conference. I'll be home this Friday late night. Build should start this Saturday.
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Old Nov 06, 2013, 06:27 AM
I never crash,my copter does
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Looking forward to your build and flight time results,i have the same frame its pretty good for the price
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Old Nov 06, 2013, 01:41 PM
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Just ordered my tarot 650 today. Can wait to watch this thread.
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Old Nov 06, 2013, 03:47 PM
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Nice build.. will be interesting to follow.

How many cells battery will u use?
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