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Old Aug 04, 2010, 08:12 PM
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 12:04 AM
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 12:48 AM
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Heinous. Which is Spanish for f'd up.

You gotta wonder how this country full primarily of illiterates in even their own language knows the exact ins and outs of US welfare to the extent they can manipulate and abuse it better than our own citizens can.

No hablo, eh Pablo? Gotta have yer toilet paper labeled 'papel hygienico' cuz you can't tell through the clear wrapper what it is otherwise. But you know details of US law I don't know, and my family has been here since before the country was even a country.

Umm-hmm.
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 04:32 AM
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I wonder why the author of the 14th ammendment used that wording if that isn't what he meant. Pretty stupid of him.
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 05:36 AM
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I wonder why the author of the 14th ammendment used that wording if that isn't what he meant. Pretty stupid of him.
Perhaps he had a different understanding of what "jurisdiction" means? Or perhaps he never considered someone would ever consider an illegal alien a "resident"? The word reside means "to have one's permanent home in". I would think that makes it pretty darn clear personally. It is completely illogical to think that you could "reside" in a country you are not legally entitled to be in. Unfortunately, he did not have the ability to see into the future for how people might twist the meanings of those two words to suit their ideologies.
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 05:55 AM
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Perhaps he had a different understanding of what "jurisdiction" means? Or perhaps he never considered someone would ever consider an illegal alien a "resident"? The word reside means "to have one's permanent home in". I would think that makes it pretty darn clear personally. It is completely illogical to think that you could "reside" in a country you are not legally entitled to be in. Unfortunately, he did not have the ability to see into the future for how people might twist the meanings of those two words to suit their ideologies.
Coulter states,
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The very author of the citizenship clause, Sen. Jacob Howard of Michigan, expressly said: "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."
If that was the intended meaning, why not include that wording in the ammendment?
I don't see any word twisting going on. The meaning of the citizenship clause to the ammendment, as written, seems clear.
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 06:09 AM
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Coulter states,

If that was the intended meaning, why not include that wording in the ammendment?
I don't see any word twisting going on. The meaning of the citizenship clause to the ammendment, as written, seems clear.
You see the words "of course" in your quote? He felt the intent was obvious, as do I.
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 06:52 AM
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The drafters of the 14th Amendment had no intention of conferring citizenship on the children of aliens who happened to be born in the U.S. (For my younger readers, back in those days, people cleaned their own houses and raised their own kids.)
Really? All of them? Wonder what all the servants did for a living?
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 07:06 AM
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I seem to remember that in cartoons, they were fairly plump and jumped on a chair, hoisting there skirts up, if a mouse appeared. They were probably not considered people at the time though.
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 07:15 AM
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I seem to remember that in cartoons, they were fairly plump and jumped on a chair, hoisting there skirts up, if a mouse appeared. They were probably not considered people at the time though.
Evidently, nor are illegals born in Spain, eh Martin?
It's interesting that you find the time to comment in a thread about American anchor babies when you don't have to worry about that "little problem" in your country one bit.

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Ireland was the last of the 15 original EU countries to abolish birthright citizenship. They did not want to be seen as a back door to the European Union citizenship. No anchor babies plague Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Portugal, and the United Kingdom. The Irish got it right!
http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty494.htm
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 07:27 AM
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With a substantial South American and North African Immigrant population, there seems far less phobia about illegal immigrants in Spain than there does in the US.
However, http://www.euroresidentes.com/inmigr...d-espanola.htm (I would have translated, but I felt you'd be proficient in texas's first language ) But towards the bottom of the page it (point 3) does state more or less that children born on Spain of foreign parents do have the right of Spanish nationality from birth.
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 07:31 AM
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With a substantial South American and North African Immigrant population, there seems far less phobia about illegal immigrants in Spain than there does in the US.
However, http://www.euroresidentes.com/inmigr...d-espanola.htm (I would have translated, but I felt you'd be proficient in texas's first language ) But towards the bottom of the page it (point 3) does state more or less that children born on Spain of foreign parents do have the right of Spanish nationality from birth.
When 5% of your population are illegal immigrants, then you can start making that comparison.
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 07:49 AM
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The Conservative "Partido Popular" has estimated the figure at 1.2 million out of a total census population (which also includes illegal residents) of approx 45 million (just over 2.5%), but the reliability of such figures is also open to much dispute. However, being on the census role has many advantages and not so many of the disadvantages that it seems to have in the USA, possibly making the Spanish figures more reliable. Illegal immigration is also not a crime here, but rather an "Administative Infraction".
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With a substantial South American and North African Immigrant population, there seems far less phobia about illegal immigrants in Spain than there does in the US.
However, http://www.euroresidentes.com/inmigr...d-espanola.htm (I would have translated, but I felt you'd be proficient in texas's first language ) But towards the bottom of the page it (point 3) does state more or less that children born on Spain of foreign parents do have the right of Spanish nationality from birth.
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3. You were born in Spain to foreign parents and they have no nationality or where the legislation of the countries of your parents do not attach any nationality.
So, how often are those conditions met?
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Old Aug 05, 2010, 07:57 AM
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If the non English speaking (Hispanic) population is only 2.5% then why is half the information on boxes of everything I buy in Spanish?
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