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View Poll Results: How much integration do you want with RCGroups?
I like it the way it was and want to keep us segregated from other R/Cers. 103 74.10%
I think our community will be better off if we merge into a larger community. 21 15.11%
I don't care about these things. Do what you think is best. 15 10.79%
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Old Oct 04, 2001, 12:06 PM
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RCGroups - integration or segregation?

I need input from our users.

Based on feedback I'm receiving, some people do not want to be associated with R/C Groups in any way.

Others seem to feel that there will be some value to being integrated with other R/C modelers.

I can handle it either way. My original intent was for forums like "Off Topic Discussion" to be shared with the other groups, but I can see now that a lot of people don't want to talk about off topic things with people who aren't electric fliers. A lot of people really like having an entirely separate community.

So I just want some general feedback. Obviously, there are pros and cons with either choice.

Jim
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Old Oct 04, 2001, 12:44 PM
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I doesn't appear that there are that many other modlers yet, so whats to share?
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Old Oct 04, 2001, 12:49 PM
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My vote would be to be included in the whole community, but segratgated within in it a, i.e.:

Glow Flight
E-Flight
Glow Car
E-Car
Boats, both?

Also, allow the "view posts since" to be based on the above.

Most important -- be able to log out from any page/screen.

Will all the colors be consistent eventually?

Tried to update/change my profile yesterday, got an error message saying someone already has that e-mail address.


Is GMT, GMT?
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Old Oct 04, 2001, 12:50 PM
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I think the important thing is to keep the existing EZone untouched until RCGroups proves stable and reliable. Regardless of how people feel now, they'll feel differently once RCGroups develops a personality of it's own.

One of the biggest reasons EZone is popular is because you've managed to keep it (mostly) solid. For example, you realized keeping registrations and posts during the upgrade to vBulletin was key to avoid alienating the users.

PS: If you run into particular problems with Nuke let me know, I've fought with some of the "peculiarities" of it before. They've probably integrated my bug fixes by now.
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Old Oct 04, 2001, 03:24 PM
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Jim, I hope you will keep this group the same as when it started. It's your site, but I really dont want anything to do with RCOnline or some other RC site. This site is good enough stand alone. I stopped looking when I found it. Paul
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Old Oct 04, 2001, 03:31 PM
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I think that the reason why some people might like to stay isolated is that as it is, we are quite a small community, where regular posters know each other and certain people are looked up to (ie. Andy W, Larry @ SR and yourself). If or when more people from other disciplines join us, some people (myself included) worry at the possibility that this community will split up. It goes somewhere along the lines of the philosophy, 'If it ain't broken, why fix it?'

On the other hand, there is quite a lot that we could learn from other sections of R/C, provided that enough people know about us and join us. Somehow people would have to find out about 'R/C Groups', through ads or whatever. It could just end up like the Control Line forum (no offense meant), which, frankly, could do with a few more posts.

Finally, some would argue that there is a difference between opening the forums to the 'Glow Plane Zone' and opening them to the 'Car Zone' (again, no offense meant).


Just my $0.02.
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Old Oct 04, 2001, 03:53 PM
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I understand everyone wanting their own own sub directories or catagories that you can just click on a link and go there.

I personally like having all forums together. If I want I can look at rc/cars and read about them without having to hunt for it. It will also prove true for others too. Those who are into ic stuff might just be Intrigued about electrics and want to check them out. The link would be right at the bottom of the screen in the forum jump box instead of looking all over for the info.

I don't want to sound political here but lets NOT segrigate.

My only concern it that there might be flamers wanting to cause trouble for everyone who doesn't see their point of view. But all societies have those sorts.

just my $.02

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Old Oct 04, 2001, 04:02 PM
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Sounding rather conservative and like a curmudgeon, please keep Ezone with its Discussion area the way it was. I just went to the other area (RC Discussion???) and there were very few messages. I like the segregation because while sometimes we go far afield there is always the common thread of interest here on Ezone. If I want other RC info I go and read the RC Airplanes newsgroup. I also like the integration of the whole Ezone site rather than having to go from one site to another. Ezone is a great asset to the hobby and the electric segment in particular, please keep it separate from other sites. Keep the links open and ever expanding but keep them as links only. As oft quoted, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

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Old Oct 04, 2001, 04:03 PM
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I'm one who voted "do what you think is best". I still access the discussion fora from the Ezone home page and see, now that the hot topics link on the right is fixed, no discernable change beyond the new forum software we recently got. What server it's hosted on seems to be largely irrelevant as long as its reliable. Or am I missing something somewhere?
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Old Oct 04, 2001, 04:24 PM
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One danger with integrating is that we have a wonderful specialisation in the forums now. There is room for even the less mainstream subjects (like the Control Line forum that someone has a whinge about roughly twice a week). But if you're not careful all the electric boat people will want 20 forums of their own for all sorts of subdivisions and then the nitro car people etc.

To keep the overall number of forums sensible you'll be trimming the EFlight list down again. There'll be much less room for the specialised groups. Then the ones with fewer participants will disappear. I suppose it's the way the world is going. People have exactly zero tolerance for the things they personally are not directly interested in.

I would much sooner the Ezone stayed as now and the non-E forums were quite separate. I'd probably visit both but I really don't want another RCOnline or RCWatch. Rather than a yet another Jack of all trades let's at least stick to being the acknowledged master of one.

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Old Oct 04, 2001, 04:34 PM
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While a part of me agrees with Steve (slewin), another part fears extinction altogether without some way of growing bigger.
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Old Oct 04, 2001, 05:03 PM
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Keep it separate

I am happy with segregation. I looked at RC online and chose to stay here because of the smaller, more specialized community. Just my 2c.

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Old Oct 04, 2001, 05:34 PM
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You risk growing away from what makes the e-zone special, and at what benefit?

I believe segregation (specialization) is what is keeping the e-community strong and evolving at a natural pace..
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Old Oct 04, 2001, 05:54 PM
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Despite those of us who prosper to envision an equalworld in the R/C community and welcome the "crossover" modelers from other R/C sources, eflight is still very unique as an alternative to gas-powered flying models—and other R/C areas too. Call The E Zone and its contributions a pinnacleof eflight online information, if I may. As eflight is not out of reach of even the most inexperienced modeler, calling it a pinnacle may sound deceiving. But, nonetheless, I believe it should stand alone.

I also feel that the likelihood of anyone interested in eflight who may jump from another rcgroup to our Discussion Forum is just as likely as I am to jump to theirs. Very unlikely. I, personally, am really not that interested. And if I were interested it wouldn't matter whether the other rcgroup occupies a different server or even a different bandwidth. If my interest provides enough impetus, even for just passive observation, I'll visit another site.

Greg Covey's statement inferring the bigger the mix, the bigger the loss (or "extinction" as he called it) would translate to a dilution of this Discusison Group's uniqueness. I also feel it shortens the pinnacle. And, as Paul Marshall pointed out, "I stopped looking when I found [The E Zone Discussion Forum]."

It maintains its importance by being its individual, attractive self.
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Old Oct 04, 2001, 05:54 PM
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I never thought I'd see the day when I chose to be insular!

There are plenty of other 'general' forums; but it was nice to feel a little bit different/maverick/special etc.

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