November 2009

brn-grose · Nov 01, 2009, 12:55 AM

here we go....

reg3 · Nov 01, 2009, 08:48 AM

Go...I can relate. We are off to Gatlinburg after church this morning. Thinking about taking my Easy Star for some relaxing flights in Cades Cove.

brn-grose · Nov 01, 2009, 09:00 AM

are you renting a cabin or staying in a hotel? due to the wind/rain here the fall colors are almost gone. my yard is one big pile of leaves LOL. hopefully the wind will continue to
blow them into my neighbors yard

reg3 · Nov 01, 2009, 09:54 AM

We are going with a couple from church that owns a condo. They were there last weekend for an owners association meeting and said the leaves in the upper elevations were already gone. We will just be happy to get away for a week.

Gatlinburg also kicks off their winter season this Wednesday with a chili cook-off, similar to the Ribfest event we go to in the spring. That thought makes me sad though...I will be at Ribfest in April instead of SEFF.

Tram · Nov 01, 2009, 10:04 AM

Bummer..

Jim_Marconnet · Nov 01, 2009, 10:42 AM

I've been bumbling and stumbling along, trying to learn some 3D.

Stumbled on to an article on Harriering in the September 2009 AMA Insider: http://www.modelaircraft.org/insider...der_sept09.pdf page 6. The article is called Getting the Harrier Down: a building-block approach. It's part 2/5 parts.

I've been trying to harrier from a reasonable altitude and speed, going level or even up. This article suggests starting with the elevator, a descending harrier, to learn on. Curious what you proficient 3D guys would suggest has worked for you in your learning process.

Thanks, Craig, for your suggestions to practice harriering first, and only to try hovering later on. I, perhaps like many, had approached it the other way around.

Jim

brn-grose · Nov 01, 2009, 11:17 AM

i've found a computer sim is a valuable tool to learn new manuevers. you dont need to be 3 mistakes high. the sims have the fastest ca cure times & rebuild in the universe. when you crash just hit the space bar and there's a brand new plane ready to go !!

T3chDad · Nov 01, 2009, 01:10 PM

You also need a plane capable of all the things you learned on the sim.

cmala · Nov 01, 2009, 04:10 PM

Man, flying in cades cove would be awesome.

Tram · Nov 01, 2009, 05:01 PM

Jim - more flying, less reading..

For me - learning to do a proper harrier just meant playing with a plane at sufficent altitude and feeding in full up elevator and learning how to fly like that.. Obviously full up is not needed but that's sorta how I started...

Yank the stick back and make the plane fly... You also need a proper airframe..

Get you one of those EPP Leadfeather Yaks..

Spackles94 · Nov 01, 2009, 05:25 PM

My main piece of advice... Yank the elevator up, then control the pitch with the throttle. It will also help you with using that left hand some more.

ghee-grose · Nov 01, 2009, 08:34 PM

I will give you the same advice I gave you a couple years ago when you were having trouble flying inverted.....computer simulator. More time on it is best.

Jim_Marconnet · Nov 01, 2009, 09:46 PM

Good News, guys!

I found all 5 parts of this article at the MARKS site: http://www.marksrc.com/ in their several recent newsletters, starting in the March 2009 N/L. Much there to read and to digest. It will take me a while to read them. Not to mention dusting off my FSOne simulator, figuring out how to slow down time, etc.

Thanks so very much for all your suggestions and encouragement.

Jim

Update: I read thru the articles and updated my first post to point out what actually struck me odd, starting out with an elevator to learn to harrier, way before ever working on hovering.

Tram · Nov 01, 2009, 10:37 PM

Yep.. A sim is going to be one of the best tools.. Next to a sim, a plane you can crash and crash and crash and crash is going to be the next best tool..

Go get something you can crash over and over and over.. Flying a plane you are not scared to crash will do loads for your flying and your confidence..

Spackles94 · Nov 01, 2009, 10:38 PM

Yup, what Jeff said. It's nice to have a plane that you don't mind getting aggressive with.

Nov 01, 2009, 12:55 AM	#1
brn-grose SEFF Record Flight Pilot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Jasper, TN Posts: 513	November 2009 here we go....

Nov 01, 2009, 10:42 AM	#6
Jim_Marconnet Fly long and land softly Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Madison, Alabama USA Posts: 3,288	Learning to 3D, starting with the Harrier, actually the elevator! I've been bumbling and stumbling along, trying to learn some 3D. Stumbled on to an article on Harriering in the September 2009 AMA Insider: http://www.modelaircraft.org/insider...der_sept09.pdf page 6. The article is called Getting the Harrier Down: a building-block approach. It's part 2/5 parts. I've been trying to harrier from a reasonable altitude and speed, going level or even up. This article suggests starting with the elevator, a descending harrier, to learn on. Curious what you proficient 3D guys would suggest has worked for you in your learning process. Thanks, Craig, for your suggestions to practice harriering first, and only to try hovering later on. I, perhaps like many, had approached it the other way around. Jim Last edited by Jim_Marconnet; Nov 02, 2009 at 08:10 AM. Reason: Pointed out starting with elevator, not the harrier

Nov 01, 2009, 09:46 PM	#13
Jim_Marconnet Fly long and land softly Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Madison, Alabama USA Posts: 3,288	Good News, guys! I found all 5 parts of this article at the MARKS site: http://www.marksrc.com/ in their several recent newsletters, starting in the March 2009 N/L. Much there to read and to digest. It will take me a while to read them. Not to mention dusting off my FSOne simulator, figuring out how to slow down time, etc. Thanks so very much for all your suggestions and encouragement. Jim Update: I read thru the articles and updated my first post to point out what actually struck me odd, starting out with an elevator to learn to harrier, way before ever working on hovering. Last edited by Jim_Marconnet; Nov 02, 2009 at 08:11 AM. Reason: added update

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Nov 01, 2009, 08:48 AM	#2
reg3 No SEFF for me in 2010 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Florence, AL Posts: 511	Go...I can relate. We are off to Gatlinburg after church this morning. Thinking about taking my Easy Star for some relaxing flights in Cades Cove.

Nov 01, 2009, 09:00 AM	#3
brn-grose SEFF Record Flight Pilot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Jasper, TN Posts: 513	are you renting a cabin or staying in a hotel? due to the wind/rain here the fall colors are almost gone. my yard is one big pile of leaves LOL. hopefully the wind will continue to blow them into my neighbors yard

Nov 01, 2009, 09:54 AM	#4
reg3 No SEFF for me in 2010 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Florence, AL Posts: 511	We are going with a couple from church that owns a condo. They were there last weekend for an owners association meeting and said the leaves in the upper elevations were already gone. We will just be happy to get away for a week. Gatlinburg also kicks off their winter season this Wednesday with a chili cook-off, similar to the Ribfest event we go to in the spring. That thought makes me sad though...I will be at Ribfest in April instead of SEFF.

Nov 01, 2009, 10:04 AM	#5
Tram Rammer Jammer, ya'll.. Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Florence, Al Posts: 24,934	Bummer..

Nov 01, 2009, 11:17 AM	#7
brn-grose SEFF Record Flight Pilot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Jasper, TN Posts: 513	i've found a computer sim is a valuable tool to learn new manuevers. you dont need to be 3 mistakes high. the sims have the fastest ca cure times & rebuild in the universe. when you crash just hit the space bar and there's a brand new plane ready to go !!

Nov 01, 2009, 01:10 PM	#8
T3chDad "TechDad" - or - Bob Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Huntsville, AL, USA Posts: 2,325	You also need a plane capable of all the things you learned on the sim.

Nov 01, 2009, 04:10 PM	#9
cmala Slick = Good Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison, AL Posts: 1,175	Man, flying in cades cove would be awesome.

Nov 01, 2009, 05:01 PM	#10
Tram Rammer Jammer, ya'll.. Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Florence, Al Posts: 24,934	Jim - more flying, less reading.. For me - learning to do a proper harrier just meant playing with a plane at sufficent altitude and feeding in full up elevator and learning how to fly like that.. Obviously full up is not needed but that's sorta how I started... Yank the stick back and make the plane fly... You also need a proper airframe.. Get you one of those EPP Leadfeather Yaks..

Nov 01, 2009, 05:25 PM	#11
Spackles94 War Eagle! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, Alabama Posts: 6,612	My main piece of advice... Yank the elevator up, then control the pitch with the throttle. It will also help you with using that left hand some more.

Nov 01, 2009, 08:34 PM	#12
ghee-grose Honey, I got more planes! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Athens, Alabama Posts: 3,929	I will give you the same advice I gave you a couple years ago when you were having trouble flying inverted.....computer simulator. More time on it is best.

Nov 01, 2009, 10:37 PM	#14
Tram Rammer Jammer, ya'll.. Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Florence, Al Posts: 24,934	Yep.. A sim is going to be one of the best tools.. Next to a sim, a plane you can crash and crash and crash and crash is going to be the next best tool.. Go get something you can crash over and over and over.. Flying a plane you are not scared to crash will do loads for your flying and your confidence..

Nov 01, 2009, 10:38 PM	#15
Spackles94 War Eagle! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, Alabama Posts: 6,612	Yup, what Jeff said. It's nice to have a plane that you don't mind getting aggressive with.