Actually, i have looked on ebay. Surprised the hell out of me actually. Usually the only ones are int if you click the "usa only" filter. Also, i'm not buying any of these other brand batteries you listed because i have not seen reviews about them. Even though the Gens Ace are more expensive, i'll have to try them at some point just to compare to the Turnigy. If they are no better it's not worth paying the extra $30-$35 for the Gens Ace either. That free shipping helps to even things out though. But to really know if there is a difference i'll have to run the gens ace and turnigy packs to the ends of their life. Takes a while. But thanks for the links. I already placed an order... Oh well. Next time hopefully they will still be there.