Hi Doug, thanks for the reply. I suspected the Vapor might not do it for me and I do love the Ember. Maybe a layoff for the winter will increase the enjoyment in the spring. Now that we can get raspberries year 'round they seem less special than when you waited for the berry season to come around. I've been toying with bringing it into work and flying in the auditorium or drawing studios. I mentioned earlier that I had ordered a UMX Sbach 342 3D BNF Basic in a quest for speed and aerobatic skills. Well I looked at it and discovered the batteries couldn't be charged with either the multi 1S chargers I have or the larger multi-cell balancing charger I have. Frustrated with no adapters in the store I let it be for a while. If I can find an adapter or solution over the winter I'll re-visit in the spring.