thanks aeromaniac, that looks like a great choice, but i don't want to wait for snail mail from HK. I have since found a techone C20 2050kv 26g in amongst the quagmire from projects past.
I think these are the same motor:
I might try that one with a 5x5 or 4.75x4.75 apc or something similar and hope my 12a plush can cope..... perhaps not as speedy but should get the job done for now....
otherwise I'll go up a weight class with an OBL29/27-07A 2700kv http://www.tiger.com.tw/product/2358.html
- but i'm reluctant to add the weight of a larger battery for CG.