Originally Posted by gitit20
Thanks for the info guys also looked in to something called Openpilot looks very promising
Openpilot is great. But right now, unless you're willing to buy used and pay 3 times the retail price, you're not going to get one. Due to a component supply/quality issue and the consequent redesign of part of the board, there are none new to be had. They are finally starting to manufacture the new redesigned board, but they are limiting the first batch to their existing users and don't estimate having enough for anyone to be able to buy one without camping their store 24x7 until around Christmas.