Regarding your accusation that I don't listen - I find your posts vacuous, with lots of words used as a substitute for logic. So, please stop telling everyone I don't listen, because I do. I love logical discussion - but broadsides of useless verbiage aren't useful to me.
Whatever. We tried logic in the last thread, me and a bunch of other guys. All we got back from you was constant contradictions. You would say 2 different and opposite things in the same post. You would not answer anyone else's questions, or explain your "logic".
Done. I will admit, I did have fun. I may not have convinced you to open up your mind a bit, but at least if someone if someone else looks at this thread who truly does want to learn the whole lift story, they will see my post and realize that there is a whole lot more to the story than what you are trying to shove down everyones throat.