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#1 cityevader Dec 24, 2012 09:09 PM

can't we all get along?
 
I was typing this reply when the thread was closed.
Basically...motorized vs. winch vs. DLG...who's the purest. (yet I think purists suck!)


I just wish each "sect" of us wouldn't segregate. Except for the Ted Kazenzkie (sp?) type of separatists, most of us could prolly get along fabulously if only we could get together in the air, and avoid all the hassles of "groundwork". In the air we're all the same. We aren't the first-picked-of-the-P.E.-kids for a game, nor the last-picked either.
We're on the same team!
We all go up, we're all forced down!
Some can't shoot free-throws.
Some can't do lay-ups.
How is it that nerds castigate nerds? We're all nerds!
Fat kid making fun of the albino kind making fun of the Jewish kid making fun of the______...
Come on!

#2 cityevader Dec 24, 2012 10:56 PM

here's a good example of a "different flying field"...please enjoy the video!!
Quote:

Originally Posted by wbuttry (Post 23604772)
actually here is a video of the area that i'm flying it is maybe high line wire tall and as you can see it is really sloped but here you are is the vid i did there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0psR...IElPdA&index=9

spillway flying (4 min 21 sec)


and a reply:

Quote:

Originally Posted by cityevader (Post 23613837)
dunno why I'm re-replying, but the combo of simplicity of video and music is really haunting (in a good way). Tangentaly, there's a totally unrelated thread that still spider webs into yours...
It's the terrain...
Certain pilots wouldn't dream of allowing their planes (children) out into the streets of the real world. Children (planes) can and should be fettered to the safety of the familiar?!?!
BUT! What happens on a field trip? Would you/they allow the kids/planes on a field trip to explore the wildly varying world about them? Or do we sequester them into the safety of the closet of "their world". If the parent (pilot) has never flown in the martian landscape such as in the above video, how can they possibly instruct their children (plane) to do/or NOT do so. And not just do so, but to frolic and play in this bizarre, unfamiliar world?
How can so many people say one way of flying is the right way? How would they fly in another person's backyard. Would they even dare to? Or would they say "That isn't the correct way to fly because I can't lay a winch line!"?


How can anybody say any one way of flying is "right"? Or a particular "site is right"? Rhymes to a kinda Klan-ish saying?! Why segregate?

Man, if it weren't Christmas eve, I'd keep typing!

#3 Windependence Dec 26, 2012 12:16 PM

Personally I find this to be a contentious topic here on RCGroups but not at the field. My home field welcomes e-power sailplanes, traditional string launch sailplanes and hand launch sailplanes. Heck we even welcomed a guy who wanted to try using a HobbyZone e-powered foam Super Cub to soar. We simply said that e-power rules apply which are power to altitude then its motor off until you land. He gave it a try but quickly realized that it made a poor soarer. He later went out and purchased a Radian. :) I often wonder what would have happened if I had pushed him away by saying "No you cannot fly that here". That particular pilot has become a die hard sailplane guy and spent all last season flying a Radian and now wants to try a string launch sailplane.

We even hold monthly events\contests where both e-power and string launch planes compete side by side. No separate classes either, the string launch guys are going head to head with the e-power guys. The events are a blast. It can be done and it is very easy to incorporate both styles into one event. This coming season we will be holding a Man on Man event open to both e-power and string launch sailplanes. It too will be a blast.

Keep the faith. :D

Wayne

#4 Kookaburra Dec 26, 2012 01:57 PM

Good grief, Charlie Brown! It seems that many forum egos are heaps more fragile than good old woody wings, and infinitely more competitive. Some people take their sailplanes, themselves, and life in general, far too seriously. Why so much angst and fear about what other people think? Chill.

#5 Fravits Dec 26, 2012 04:50 PM

Hey! You got a problem with woody wings?:rolleyes::D

#6 cityevader Dec 26, 2012 05:20 PM

Did somebody call you non-competitive too?!
Fightin' words in a "get-along-thread"?!
:D:p

#7 eckace1 Dec 26, 2012 06:36 PM

This string powered technologie is new to me. Is it like winding up a top and let her rip?

#8 schrederman Dec 26, 2012 07:44 PM

I refer to myself as the quintessential "purist snob". :p :D That's always tonge-in-cheek... followed by a stuck out tonge and a big grin, as above. However, in my 50-year modelling career, I've only had one model with a prop.

Yep, the egos can get a bit large on these threads. However, please realize that some of these folks are pure glider flyers that have lost their club fields by allowing electric flyers. They come innocently enough at first, but soon the club membership has swelled with electric flyers, and in a couple of cases, string-launched gliders were banned by these new majorities... after decades of that club being a glider club... So, it isn't always just egos...

I don't care how someone flys... or launches... or lands... it's their hobby and their toy. I just want for the same consideration. Have fun... I intend to...

Darth End of Thumbless....

#9 prodjx Dec 26, 2012 07:58 PM

Wasen't Joe Wurt's heard to say "Why would anyone want to ruin the nose of a beautiful glider with a prop" I think the worst thing I ever saw was a classic German model glider with a .60 gas engine in the nose. Stupidity should be painful.

#10 jwood45 Dec 26, 2012 08:02 PM

Oh....the confrontation! So why would anyone ever want a Glider when they could have a really nice Sailplane?:eek:

#11 cityevader Dec 26, 2012 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schrederman (Post 23627437)
Yep, the egos can get a bit large on these threads. However, please realize that some of these folks are pure glider flyers that have lost their club fields by allowing electric flyers. They come innocently enough at first, but soon the club membership has swelled with electric flyers, and in a couple of cases, string-launched gliders were banned by these new majorities... after decades of that club being a glider club... So, it isn't always just egos...
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OOoooo...
I hadn't thought about that angle yet.
The quiet glider club being grouped into the "noisy airplane group" and losing their field...regardless if "true e-gliders" were quiet or not.
That truly would/does suck!

#12 pmackenzie Dec 26, 2012 08:07 PM

"Real aiplanes have two wings and round engines"

Where does that leave sailplanes:D

#13 cityevader Dec 26, 2012 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prodjx (Post 23627552)
Wasen't Joe Wurt's heard to say "Why would anyone want to ruin the nose of a beautiful glider with a prop" I think the worst thing I ever saw was a classic German model glider with a .60 gas engine in the nose. Stupidity should be painful.

Any pics?
That's silly.
A 60 size would be needed to "power" a scale 100" WWII American "glider"!!!

#14 Windependence Dec 26, 2012 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schrederman (Post 23627437)
...Yep, the egos can get a bit large on these threads. However, please realize that some of these folks are pure glider flyers that have lost their club fields by allowing electric flyers. They come innocently enough at first, but soon the club membership has swelled with electric flyers, and in a couple of cases, string-launched gliders were banned by these new majorities... after decades of that club being a glider club... So, it isn't always just egos...

Jack, I have heard this argument made across many differing threads but I have never heard which club(s) it happened to. I am not questioning that it happened but was it a single isolated case or were there many occurrences where string launch members were effectively booted from their field? In addition, is anyone aware of any steps current clubs taking to prevent this kind of thing from happening again? As we all know many clubs are adopting ALES formats so the risk is still out there.

Wayne

#15 cityevader Dec 26, 2012 10:56 PM

My local site (Rancho San Antonio) has recently had some substantial restrictions. From essentially no restrictions other than not flying over the road/parking lot to this...http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...ho+san+antonio

While not according to your prescribed "labels", they are restrictions nonetheless, and to my own field.

If the current restrictions were so easily passed without any modelers input, could even more strict rules be implemented? Could YOUR site be next?


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