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#1 logan5 Nov 18, 2012 07:30 AM

The War On Drugs ...
 
Puts more black Americans behind bars than anything else. Why they continue to support a government and an administration that does so is beyond me.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/is...-drugs-racist/

#2 leccyflyer Nov 18, 2012 07:33 AM

Which previous governments and administrations implemented and continued the war on drugs?

Did the losing side in the recent election state that they would halt the war on drugs?

#3 Park_Flyer Nov 18, 2012 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by leccyflyer (Post 23298366)
Which previous governments and administrations implemented and continued the war on drugs?

Why does that matter? At the time, it seemed like a noble idea. It has been a failed yet very costly policy for decades through numerous administrations.

#4 leccyflyer Nov 18, 2012 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Park_Flyer (Post 23298375)
Why does that matter? At the time, it seemed like a noble idea. It has been a failed yet very costly policy for decades through numerous administrations.

The implication is that black voters should not support the current US administration because of the premise presented in the OP. Since the policy was implemented by a prior government administration presumably they should not have supported that administration either?

Of course both ridiculous scenarios completely ignore that voters do not tend to vote on a single issue.

#5 Rufcut Nov 18, 2012 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by logan5 (Post 23298349)
Puts more black Americans behind bars than anything else. Why they continue to support a government and an administration that does so is beyond me.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/is...-drugs-racist/

Do you think a Romney administration would have been more or less likely to legalize drugs than the Obama administration?

#6 lymon Nov 18, 2012 08:01 AM

Americans should reread some Pogo, Walt Kelly had it right,

"We have met the enemy, and he is us!"

#7 RCWorks Nov 18, 2012 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by logan5 (Post 23298349)
Puts more black Americans behind bars than anything else. Why they continue to support a government and an administration that does so is beyond me.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/is...-drugs-racist/

Call it what it is... The creation of victims...

The victim that wants to do something with his own body.(How does this differ from a woman's right to chose?) and the victim that supplies the goods to do it and the third victim, the taxpayer that pays all the costs for the insane police state that is used to create 300 million victims.

#8 logan5 Nov 18, 2012 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by leccyflyer (Post 23298366)
Which previous governments and administrations implemented and continued the war on drugs?

Did the losing side in the recent election state that they would halt the war on drugs?

I just don't understand why there is no out cry, not demand for change. Their support is near 100 percent.

I don't expect them to vote Republican, LBJ made sure of that. This blind devotion to a party that supports and promotes a policy that has jailed blacks in such a skewed manner is a mystery.

#9 lymon Nov 18, 2012 08:14 AM

We can't ignore the numbers. We incarcerate more citizens than any other western nation. Are we that bad a bunch, or are we locking up the wrong people?
Wouldn't it reduce gun crimes if the penalty were life? Wouldn't we have room if we let the nonviolent criminals out? Wouldn't we be safer?

#10 RCWorks Nov 18, 2012 08:19 AM

The primary reasons for the high rate of incarceration are victimless drug crimes and the life styles of the welfare class.

End the war on drugs and endless welfare...

#11 Sherlock Nov 18, 2012 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RCWorks (Post 23298592)
The primary reasons for the high rate of incarceration are victimless drug crimes and the life styles of the welfare class.

No, many people use drugs, not just the "welfare class". Poor people and minorities get harsher sentences than whites and wealthier people do.

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Originally Posted by RCWorks (Post 23298592)
End the war on drugs (sic)...

Yes

#12 Twizter68 Nov 18, 2012 08:55 AM

Well, let's look at this...OP, how many blacks are incarcerated for possession/use of drugs? The ones in the pokey for drug RELATED crimes don't count (assault, robbery, etc) just the ones for possesion/use.

#13 Aaron 1 Nov 18, 2012 09:00 AM

A very good question. I wonder if higher ups have discussed it. There is very little pro and con discussion if any during the election cycle.

I know little about the answers to" What If". No proof but I think selling drugs is a major source to make money for the black community. If that source of income dries up what replaces it? Would crime escalate? Is pot a gate way drug? What if meth is legalized? Can a long term meth or opiate user be rehabilitated?

What do we do with heavy users that can't or won't work? More welfare? Legalized drugs did a lot of damage in China and even started a major war I'm told.

So from a Machiavellian stand point I say legalize it and see what happens. Darwin will take over and users will die by the millions, but maybe not.

While we are at it maybe we should legalize prostitution. Seems to be many reasons for its need.

I like to drive fast. Why do we need arbitrary speed limits that is in place to make a lot of money for the various Governments.

Then maybe we should legalize gambling. It's legal for the State and a few select companies to do it. Why can't I run a book out of my home?

I don't want my kids and their kids to use any of these items. Did I have a right to brain wash them as children to keep your distant and don't be a user. Maybe not.

Maybe all this is natures way to reduce population in a over populated world.

Lots of questions that I can't answer.

#14 Twizter68 Nov 18, 2012 09:06 AM

The problem I see is that you can't often separate the possession charge from other charges; the statisticians use a catch-all, "drug-involved" and batch those in with the possession cases to make the numbers appear worse. The problem is, the possession charges are often on top of something else, assault, robbery, B&E, and so forth. It's all well and good to get pious and scream "That's Racist!" about incarceration rates, but you have to look at the crimes that accompany the relatively minor possession charges; I know when I worked for the SO in Georgia, possession charges were only add-ons to the major charges someone got pinched for, because at the times they were arrested, more often then not they were high or had dope on them.

#15 Twizter68 Nov 18, 2012 09:08 AM

And say if you legalize it...is that going to stop people from robbing and stealing to get the money to buy dope?

My guess is NOT.


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