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#1 krokko Oct 21, 2012 05:09 AM

Flair Tiger Moth 1/4 scale
 
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Just started building my DeHavilland Tiger Moth from Flair in UK. It's a kit the "old fashion way" Laser cut isn't invented yet and full scale drawings lie in the future. I have to say that the instructions ar very informative and helpful, they are black and white xerox copies. The HW was all spread around in the box, plastic bags were broken.
Anyway, I'm on my way and I'm going to share some pictures and learnings from the build.
You have to put up with my English, I'll do my best!

I have chosen the LASER180 as power source, its been preinstalled and the fitting seem good!


Below, some pics from start to now! just starting with the upper covering. Next will be the landing gear and then the wings and after that the tail.....it's going to last all winter....

#2 WCB Oct 21, 2012 09:16 AM

Looks great. I'll be following along watching this one.

#3 krokko Oct 21, 2012 09:56 AM

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Just started building my DeHavilland Tiger Moth from Flair in UK. It's a kit the "old fashion way" Laser cut isn't invented yet and full scale drawings lie in the future. I have to say that the instructions ar very informative and helpful, they are black and white xerox copies. The HW was all spread around in the box, plastic bags were broken.
Anyway, I'm on my way and I'm going to share some pictures and learnings from the build.
You have to put up with my English, I'll do my best!

I have chosen the LASER180 as power source, its been preinstalled and the fitting seem good!


Below, some pics from start to now! just starting with the upper covering. Next will be the landing gear and then the wings and after that the tail.....it's going to last all winter....

Upper covering in place.....needles and tape, needles and tape.........

#4 krokko Oct 22, 2012 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by krokko (Post 23058987)
Just started building my DeHavilland Tiger Moth from Flair in UK. It's a kit the "old fashion way" Laser cut isn't invented yet and full scale drawings lie in the future. I have to say that the instructions ar very informative and helpful, they are black and white xerox copies. The HW was all spread around in the box, plastic bags were broken.
Anyway, I'm on my way and I'm going to share some pictures and learnings from the build.
You have to put up with my English, I'll do my best!

I have chosen the LASER180 as power source, its been preinstalled and the fitting seem good!


Below, some pics from start to now! just starting with the upper covering. Next will be the landing gear and then the wings and after that the tail.....it's going to last all winter....

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Originally Posted by krokko (Post 23060206)
Upper covering in place.....needles and tape, needles and tape.........

Started with the main wing spars, could someone help me and interpret the measures, I'm lost between inches and centimeters, it doesn't just add up! 1020mm - 974 is 46mm, on the plan it says leave 35.5mm. ?? well, maybe 10,5 mm isn't anything to worry about?

#5 mikmerl Oct 23, 2012 12:12 AM

krokko
There seems to be a discrepancy there.
Forget the description and work directly on the full size plans, that is your best bet.
I work equally well in metric and inches if you need help let me know.

mike

#6 Cliffc Oct 23, 2012 08:28 PM

Tiger Moth
 
This is a really neat plane and a wonderful kit of a neat plane - and your photo's look great. I've got a Flair Puppeteer new in the box and I am impressed by Flair's kits. Long and short there are 2.54 cm/inch and 25.4 mm/inch. That makes a centimeter equal to 0.393" and a millimeter equal to 0.039".

Nice build keep building and Yeah it aught to fit the plans. Cliffc

#7 krokko Oct 24, 2012 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mikmerl (Post 23075804)
krokko
There seems to be a discrepancy there.
Forget the description and work directly on the full size plans, that is your best bet.
I work equally well in metric and inches if you need help let me know.

mike

hi Mike and
thanks for the tip. There isn't any full size plans with the Flair Tiger, except for the wings!! Just sketches and descriptions, my point is that the measures doesn't match wich is a pitty! Well, I'm getting along, just thinking a little bit more then normal, and adjusting....

#8 krokko Oct 24, 2012 09:26 AM

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hi Mike and
thanks for the tip. There isn't any full size plans with the Flair Tiger, except for the wings!! Just sketches and descriptions, my point is that the measures doesn't match wich is a pitty! Well, I'm getting along, just thinking a little bit more then normal, and adjusting....

I have the landing gear dry fitted with all solderings done, a friend with the specific silver soldering skills helped me out.

Also, the main spars for all four wings are glued and sanded to fit the spruces, working on the rear spars right now (I'm starting to see the light in the tunnel, just hope that it isn't the train (again)).

cabane struts also soldered, trying to figure out how to build and fit the center wing part?"

/kajman

#9 The PIPE Oct 24, 2012 02:49 PM

Finally...SOMEONE is building a Flair Tiggie !!
 
Dear Krokko:

The PIPE from New England USA here...I've been out of work due to the recession (since September 2008) and when I can SOMEDAY get back to work...AND return to the hobby once more...the Flair Tiger Moth in quarter scale (usually nicknamed the "Tiggie" in American English) would be a GREAT pick for doin' up with four stroke power, much like you've done.

The Laser 180 has a camshaft drive setup, exactly like an Enya single cylinder four-stroke glow ignition engine has, that WILL allow you to get the engine running CLOCKWISE with no additional parts needed...that's an important feature for the Tiger Moth, as if one has a desire to REALLY "go the extra distance" http://i.imgur.com/yJcYG.gif in making their Tiggie even more "scale" than most...

http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/at...20Tiggie-2.jpg

...as I'd be doing in replicating Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome's own Tiggie, seen here nose-on with its pilot Bill King - it's the real-world Tiger Moth closest to me "over on this side of the pond"...with the Flair kit, I'd make DANGED certain that I select a model engine (or "mill", as in hot rod slang from over here) that CAN be run in the exact same direction as shown above in the photo, for a Flair Tiggie someday !

The Saito four-stroke mills in the same size range as your Laser (the FA-150 and FA-180) DO have something available that functions as a reverse rotation camshaft . It's basically the same "left cylinder camshaft" that Saito's 48 cm3 (3.0 cubic inches) displacement size opposed twin four-stroke mills use, and as the left side cylinder on Saito's opposed twin cylinder 48 cm3 engines DO have their intake and exhaust port locations reversed in relation to the single-cylinder mills that they're based upon, using the "left cylinder camshaft" from those on a single-cylinder Saito mill of roughly half the displacement of the 48 cm3 opposed-twin mill DOES work to reverse the original engine's rotation, to get the "clockwise" rotation of a full-sized Tiger Moth's de Havilland Gipsy Major inverted istraight-four mill with either of the mentioned Saito engines.

To get back to the kit, it DOES appear to be a quality kit...please let me know by private message if you'd like scanned versions of either the Aeromodeller or Bjorn Karlström scale drawings of the Tiggie to help with your build sent along...and I've got a goodly number of photos of Bill King's Tiggie already to help with such a build someday. I've also got scans of the main LG sketches of the Tiggie (as well as of the cockpit area!) from one of the RCM&E Scale Annuals from many years ago that could be of help, so if you'd like those as well, please send a private message to get in touch.

Just hoping your Tiggie flies well after completion, whether you decide to "clockwise" your Laser 180 or not (clockwise rotation Zinger wood props for such a "conversion" are listed on the Internet)...I KNOW that I'd be doin' the engine "clockwising" for certain, whenever I can get a chance to get myself a Flair Tiggie kit in the future after getting back to work!

Also, how about some "bare-bones" Tiggie restoration photos to help with your build as well...on the Net, as one might expect!

Best of luck and Yours Sincerely,

The PIPE..;)..!!

#10 CarlMalone Oct 25, 2012 12:12 AM

KajS,

Nice looking build! you will love the Laser as they are so smooth! Please keep posting so we can follow your progress.

Carl

#11 krokko Oct 27, 2012 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The PIPE (Post 23089982)
Dear Krokko:

The PIPE from New England USA here...I've been out of work due to the recession (since September 2008) and when I can SOMEDAY get back to work...AND return to the hobby once more...the Flair Tiger Moth in quarter scale (usually nicknamed the "Tiggie" in American English) would be a GREAT pick for doin' up with four stroke power, much like you've done.

The Laser 180 has a camshaft drive setup, exactly like an Enya single cylinder four-stroke glow ignition engine has, that WILL allow you to get the engine running CLOCKWISE with no additional parts needed...that's an important feature for the Tiger Moth, as if one has a desire to REALLY "go the extra distance" http://i.imgur.com/yJcYG.gif in making their Tiggie even more "scale" than most...

http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/at...20Tiggie-2.jpg

...as I'd be doing in replicating Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome's own Tiggie, seen here nose-on with its pilot Bill King - it's the real-world Tiger Moth closest to me "over on this side of the pond"...with the Flair kit, I'd make DANGED certain that I select a model engine (or "mill", as in hot rod slang from over here) that CAN be run in the exact same direction as shown above in the photo, for a Flair Tiggie someday !

The Saito four-stroke mills in the same size range as your Laser (the FA-150 and FA-180) DO have something available that functions as a reverse rotation camshaft . It's basically the same "left cylinder camshaft" that Saito's 48 cm3 (3.0 cubic inches) displacement size opposed twin four-stroke mills use, and as the left side cylinder on Saito's opposed twin cylinder 48 cm3 engines DO have their intake and exhaust port locations reversed in relation to the single-cylinder mills that they're based upon, using the "left cylinder camshaft" from those on a single-cylinder Saito mill of roughly half the displacement of the 48 cm3 opposed-twin mill DOES work to reverse the original engine's rotation, to get the "clockwise" rotation of a full-sized Tiger Moth's de Havilland Gipsy Major inverted istraight-four mill with either of the mentioned Saito engines.

To get back to the kit, it DOES appear to be a quality kit...please let me know by private message if you'd like scanned versions of either the Aeromodeller or Bjorn Karlström scale drawings of the Tiggie to help with your build sent along...and I've got a goodly number of photos of Bill King's Tiggie already to help with such a build someday. I've also got scans of the main LG sketches of the Tiggie (as well as of the cockpit area!) from one of the RCM&E Scale Annuals from many years ago that could be of help, so if you'd like those as well, please send a private message to get in touch.

Just hoping your Tiggie flies well after completion, whether you decide to "clockwise" your Laser 180 or not (clockwise rotation Zinger wood props for such a "conversion" are listed on the Internet)...I KNOW that I'd be doin' the engine "clockwising" for certain, whenever I can get a chance to get myself a Flair Tiggie kit in the future after getting back to work!

Also, how about some "bare-bones" Tiggie restoration photos to help with your build as well...on the Net, as one might expect!

Best of luck and Yours Sincerely,

The PIPE..;)..!!

Hello Pipe and
thank you for your kind words and your offerings. I'll wait until later before deciding on scale details.....no hurry - it will take some time before the frame is ready, Flair is leaving most of the work to the builder, including not being able to provide a fuselage plan 1:1. Not mentioning one of the wing plans were the text is reversed, yes you can read it with the help of a mirror, being a kit builder has its ups and downs....back to work

rgds/krokko

#12 mikmerl Oct 29, 2012 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by krokko (Post 23087275)
hi Mike and
thanks for the tip. There isn't any full size plans with the Flair Tiger, except for the wings!! Just sketches and descriptions, my point is that the measures doesn't match wich is a pitty! Well, I'm getting along, just thinking a little bit more then normal, and adjusting....

I was just thinking.

Many years ago I built an OK Pilot (Japanese) 1/4 scale Tiger Moth kit.

In my case the model had very good full size drawings and almost zero instructions (the reverse of your situation).

The model built into a beautiful Tiger Moth that has served me well for 20 years.

mike

#13 krokko Oct 29, 2012 12:21 PM

Lucky You!

I'm right now in building the spars for the wings. It will take some contemplation but I will get it right. There is a lot of tube cutting and soldering and hinge producing from thin plates but it's OK, like I said earlier, I needed something for the winter, and that it is!

rgds/krokko

#14 Sackie Oct 29, 2012 09:22 PM

If plans would be helpful at this late stage
 
Hi Krokko,

I don't know if plans would be of any help at this late a stage in your build, but Traplet have various sizes of plans for the Tiger Moth, if it would help, contact them. They are an English model magazine publisher.

I am very seriously considering ordering a set of their Tiger Moth plans and a laser cut short kit (they call it a Laser wood pack) for their 88" span 1.20 to 1.80 4 stroke size, which they offer the short kit of (I think they only offer a short kit of one size). I do not see you mentioning anywhere the span of yours, but if it is 88" and you would like to consider ordering their plan, it is #MW3208.

Sackie

#15 krokko Oct 30, 2012 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mikmerl (Post 23130019)
I was just thinking.

Many years ago I built an OK Pilot (Japanese) 1/4 scale Tiger Moth kit.

In my case the model had very good full size drawings and almost zero instructions (the reverse of your situation).

The model built into a beautiful Tiger Moth that has served me well for 20 years.

mike

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Originally Posted by Sackie (Post 23134650)
Hi Krokko,

I don't know if plans would be of any help at this late a stage in your build, but Traplet have various sizes of plans for the Tiger Moth, if it would help, contact them. They are an English model magazine publisher.

I am very seriously considering ordering a set of their Tiger Moth plans and a laser cut short kit (they call it a Laser wood pack) for their 88" span 1.20 to 1.80 4 stroke size, which they offer the short kit of (I think they only offer a short kit of one size). I do not see you mentioning anywhere the span of yours, but if it is 88" and you would like to consider ordering their plan, it is #MW3208.

Sackie

Hello Sackie,

I have their plans for the Tiger Moth. To be short, their plan does not fit the Flair kit, dimensions on span and length are roughly the same, but that's about it. I believe that if you can find all the balsa and hardwood you need then you should be ok with the traplet plan and their laser cut short kit.

My tiger:
Wingspan 2260 mm (=88,9 inch)
Weight 7.3~9 kg
Length 1840 mm

rgds/krokko


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