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#1 LOULE04 Aug 18, 2012 09:53 AM

Rewinding motor cyclon
 
Hello to all,
I ais recovered engine cyclon 5000 home Electronic-model engine manufacturerbrushless French.I must repeat the winding for the same KV as the original one a knowledge env 5000 KV.It is a stator has 12 teeth and 4 magnets.Could you me idiquer windings a content so that the diameter of the wire used.Thank you in advance for your help.Cordially Laurent.Designer French and I through a translator "BING" :)

#2 Bare Aug 18, 2012 10:31 AM

It seems that Google 'translate' might work a bit better :-)
Measure the thickness of wire you removed and buy new wire to match?

#3 modisc Aug 18, 2012 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOULE04 (Post 22481521)
Hello to all,
I ais recovered engine cyclon 5000 home Electronic-model engine manufacturerbrushless French.I must repeat the winding for the same KV as the original one a knowledge env 5000 KV.It is a stator has 12 teeth and 4 magnets.Could you me idiquer windings a content so that the diameter of the wire used.Thank you in advance for your help.Cordially Laurent.Designer French and I through a translator "BING" :)

you maybe talking about a 12N4P inrunner. in that case, you will be using distributed windings: http://www.tuning.powerditto.de/
choose "Mega 22-45-1,5E"

Above link is for 18N6P motor with distributed winding, which maybe a little bit difficiult.

#4 jackerbes Aug 18, 2012 04:24 PM

Can you post a link to the motor? At a dealer or maker?

google translation:

Pouvez-vous poster un lien vers le moteur? À un revendeur ou le fabricant?

Jack

#5 LOULE04 Aug 19, 2012 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bare (Post 22481778)
It seems that Google 'translate' might work a bit better :-)
Measure the thickness of wire you removed and buy new wire to match?

Hello,
The stator windings is naked without!:o

Quote:

Originally Posted by modisc (Post 22482055)
you maybe talking about a 12N4P inrunner. in that case, you will be using distributed windings: http://www.tuning.powerditto.de/
choose "Mega 22-45-1,5E"

Above link is for 18N6P motor with distributed winding, which maybe a little bit difficiult.

Hello,
It is an outrunner:)

[QUOTE=jackerbes;22483901]Can you post a link to the motor? At a dealer or maker?

google translation:

Pouvez-vous poster un lien vers le moteur? À un revendeur ou le fabricant?

Jack[/QUOTE

Hello,
Sorry but the manufacturer no longer exists. The only dealer is HERE

@+ Laurent

#6 jackerbes Aug 19, 2012 06:26 AM

Ceux ressemble Outrunners brushless typiques. Et si je comprends bien que vous avez déjà tous les fils dépouillé du stator.

Et vous voulez de l'aide pour revenir en arrière? Est-ce la question?

Est-il un de ces trois vu là-bas? Modèle 22, 32, ou 42?

Vous parlez d'un Kv 5000 (Trs / V), qui ne semble pas possible ou approprié. Savez-vous ce que le Kv est?

Autres informations à connaître serait:

1 - Le nombre de tours sur chaque bras stator.

2 - Qu'est-ce que le vent était d'origine (probablement dLRK)

3 - Comment il a été mis fin (Delta ou Wye)Those look like typical brushless outrunners. And If I understand right you already have all the wire stripped off of the stator.

(translated by google)

Is it one of those three seen there? Model 22, 32, or 42?

And you want help to rewind it? Is that the question?

You mention a 5000 Kv (Trs/V), that does not seem possible or correct. Do you know what the Kv is?

Other information to know would be:

1 - The number of turns on each stator arm.

2 - What the original wind was (probably dLRK)

3 - How it was terminated (Delta or Wye)

Jack

#7 LOULE04 Aug 19, 2012 06:47 AM

Re,
The kv of the motor was originally a 4750 kv. I wish I could rewind to get the aproximately mm kv.
I was unfortunately not more information. rather it ressembmerait the Cyclon car5000.:)
@ +

#8 jackerbes Aug 19, 2012 07:07 AM

Then it is this motor:

http://www.mt-modelisme.com/2552:mot...n-car-5000.htm

Can you count the magnets inside of the magnet housing? And confirm that it is a 12 arm or 12 notch stator?

Those will help to get you close in choosing a turn count for rewinding. The motor probably only had 5 or six turns of wire on, does that sound about right?

Ensuite, il est de ce moteur:

http://www.mt-modelisme.com/2552:mot...n-car-5000.htm

Pouvez-vous compter les aimants à l'intérieur du boîtier de l'aimant? Et je confirme que c'est un bras de 12 ou 12 stator cran?

Ceux-ci aident à vous aider dans le choix de fermer un compte tour pour le rembobinage. Le moteur probablement eu que 5 ou six tours de fil sur, ça sonne à peu près juste?

Jack

#9 modisc Aug 19, 2012 07:13 AM

[QUOTE=LOULE04;22487156]Hello,
The stator windings is naked without!:o



Hello,
It is an outrunner:)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackerbes (Post 22483901)
Can you post a link to the motor? At a dealer or maker?

google translation:

Pouvez-vous poster un lien vers le moteur? À un revendeur ou le fabricant?

Jack[/QUOTE

Hello,
Sorry but the manufacturer no longer exists. The only dealer is HERE

@+ Laurent

You need to post somes pics of the motor. 12N4P outrunner is not common. If so, it should also be using concentrated winding, probably.

#10 LOULE04 Aug 19, 2012 10:41 AM

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Hello,
Here are pictures of four rotor magnets and the stator has 12 teeth.
I board also listed the branches of the stator.
@ +

#11 modisc Aug 19, 2012 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOULE04 (Post 22489290)
Hello,
Here are pictures of four rotor magnets and the stator has 12 teeth.
I board also listed the branches of the stator.
@ +

very clear!.

In this case, you will be using concentrated winding.

here is an ideal example from Powercroco: http://www.scorpion.powercroco.de/12N4P3530.html

this design is really rare ^^

#12 jackerbes Aug 19, 2012 12:45 PM

If you translate the last post there it says:

"..The engine worked, but the results were not so convincing that it would have been worthwhile to pursue the matter further..."

Maybe that is why they are so rare?

I notice that if you go to the winding scheme calculator and enter 12 slots and 4 poles it offers a winding scheme of AbCaBcAbCaBc:

http://www.powerditto.de/bewicklungsrechner.html

That has a low winding factor of 0.5 but maybe it is the only way to get a 5000 Kv motor out of that stator that an ESC can keep up with as far as the permutation frequency? I am guessing here if that was not obvious.. :)

Jack

#13 LOULE04 Aug 20, 2012 10:33 AM

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Hello,
It semblerais that the winding of origin is like that.
A group of four son and two towers.
When you weigh?
@ +

#14 modisc Aug 21, 2012 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOULE04 (Post 22498016)
Hello,
It semblerais that the winding of origin is like that.
A group of four son and two towers.
When you weigh?
@ +

I assume this picture is a 0.5T winding. by the way, i dont think the picture shows the right winding scheme for 12N4P, i mean the label "start and end" is wrong. Please refer to powercroco's maga motor. Link is in my previous reply.

#15 modisc Aug 21, 2012 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackerbes (Post 22490165)
If you translate the last post there it says:

"..The engine worked, but the results were not so convincing that it would have been worthwhile to pursue the matter further..."

Maybe that is why they are so rare?

I notice that if you go to the winding scheme calculator and enter 12 slots and 4 poles it offers a winding scheme of AbCaBcAbCaBc:

http://www.powerditto.de/bewicklungsrechner.html

That has a low winding factor of 0.5 but maybe it is the only way to get a 5000 Kv motor out of that stator that an ESC can keep up with as far as the permutation frequency? I am guessing here if that was not obvious.. :)

Jack

As Greg pointed out, the 12N4P should be using concentrated winding scheme, which the powercroco site only shows distributed winding scheme. Concentrated winding for 12N4P can have a winding factor of 1.


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