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			<title>Discussion Habu</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:48:21 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Anyone have any thoughts on the Habu Jet  
 
Thanks</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Anyone have any thoughts on the Habu Jet <br />
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			<dc:creator>714fm</dc:creator>
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			<title>Help! 64mm EDF</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:21:26 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Where is the best place to buy new 64mm fan units for a great price???? 
 Thanks for the help. 
                     Eric</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Where is the best place to buy new 64mm fan units for a great price????<br />
 Thanks for the help.<br />
                     Eric</div>

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			<dc:creator>eschult</dc:creator>
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			<title>Discussion Banana Hobby</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:11:48 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Well, I always stayed clear of the poor quality importers. Until recently, I picked up the F35 airframe from Banana Hobby from a freind in need of cash. I figured it would be a fun plane to toss around in between flights. I had ordered all the parts needed from Banana. Fan, motor, esc, servos...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Well, I always stayed clear of the poor quality importers. Until recently, I picked up the F35 airframe from Banana Hobby from a freind in need of cash. I figured it would be a fun plane to toss around in between flights. I had ordered all the parts needed from Banana. Fan, motor, esc, servos plastic parts bag ect... All the ness. goods to get this lil jet airborn. <br />
<br />
My package arrived today, about 2 weeks after ordering and a 100 bucks. In short, I have an esc that just doesn't work and I didnt get the plastic parts bag they charged me for. A kick in the pants and lesson learned, just goes to show.. guess I should have stuck to my guns on not dealing with their &quot;type&quot; of products and service. <br />
<br />
they did provide good customer service upon ordering. but the product is plain crap. buyers beware.<br />
dealing with them, returns, exchanges is not worth the future effort.</div>

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			<title>Help! Input on power for Simprop Dornier 328 jet</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:39:34 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I was fortunate to get my hands on a Simprop Dornier 328 jet. Most of the information I've found is with brushed motors and can batteries. So much has changed. Looking for input on power. I think I've seen AUW in the 4 lb range. Most likely will go to HK to get the power.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I was fortunate to get my hands on a Simprop Dornier 328 jet. Most of the information I've found is with brushed motors and can batteries. So much has changed. Looking for input on power. I think I've seen AUW in the 4 lb range. Most likely will go to HK to get the power.</div>


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			<title>Help! rc model shooting ??</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:53:14 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi&#65292;guys ! 
 
Just found a funny product	 
http://www.okhobby.hk/product.php?id_product=729  
 
This DV seems tiny and I want to fix it to my favourite B2, but not sure whether it is suitable for rc model. Any one got this already ? How about the quality? Is it light and easy to fix ? Pls post more...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi&#65292;guys !<br />
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Just found a funny product	<br />
<a href="http://www.okhobby.hk/product.php?id_product=729" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.okhobby.hk/product.php?id_product=729</a> <br />
<br />
This DV seems tiny and I want to fix it to my favourite B2, but not sure whether it is suitable for rc model. Any one got this already ? How about the quality? Is it light and easy to fix ? Pls post more info for reference.<br />
<br />
Thank you in advance .<br />
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Leo</div>


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			<title>Cool The newest testing data for AEO 30mm ducted fan.</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:02:18 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>ADF30-100: 
 
Motor:ADH100 9040kv 
 
Testing datas: 
 
7.0V    8.8A    76g thrust   53160rpm 
7.4V    9.6A    84g thrust   55400rpm 
8.0V    10.8A   96g thrust  59280rpm 
8.4V    11.6A  104g thrust  61300rpm</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>ADF30-100:<br />
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Motor:ADH100 9040kv<br />
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Testing datas:<br />
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7.0V    8.8A    76g thrust   53160rpm<br />
7.4V    9.6A    84g thrust   55400rpm<br />
8.0V    10.8A   96g thrust  59280rpm<br />
8.4V    11.6A  104g thrust  61300rpm<br />
9.0V    12.6A  116g thrust  64900rpm<br />
9.5V    13.4A  124g thrust  63700rpm<br />
10V     14.5A   134g thrust  70000rpm<br />
10.5V   15.4A  144g thrust  72000rpm<br />
11.1V   17A     156g thrust  75500rpm<br />
12.6V   24A     170g thrust  78000rpm<br />
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The motor is on debugging,the thrust on 2S will be continued to increase.<br />
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			<title>Discussion Himax EPF96BL Alternatives?</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:38:52 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I've put in a backorder on the Himax, but word is they're not going to have any instock until next year, so I need an alternative.  This is the one I'm talking about 
 
http://www.maxxprod.com/mpi/mpi-267.html 
 
What I liked was that it came balanced - so that is a big plus for an alternative. ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I've put in a backorder on the Himax, but word is they're not going to have any instock until next year, so I need an alternative.  This is the one I'm talking about<br />
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<a href="http://www.maxxprod.com/mpi/mpi-267.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.maxxprod.com/mpi/mpi-267.html</a><br />
<br />
What I liked was that it came balanced - so that is a big plus for an alternative.  It's going in a Predator UCAV.  I have the Hoaya 4&quot;, but it's way too big to fit in and requires a lot of grinding/sanding of the mount.<br />
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Thanks in advance,<br />
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Chip-</div>

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			<title>Discussion Introducing a new Stumax fan for the speed freaks</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:52:03 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi guys, back at Ejets some of you would have seen the new 4 bladed fan I've been working on. Since then I've been doing more testing, design refinement and a lot of manufacturing. It's now ready for official release. I'll fill you in with a little history behind it. The SM110-52's motor maxes out...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi guys, back at Ejets some of you would have seen the new 4 bladed fan I've been working on. Since then I've been doing more testing, design refinement and a lot of manufacturing. It's now ready for official release. I'll fill you in with a little history behind it. The SM110-52's motor maxes out at 4.2kW continuous. Going for more power meant a longer motor, which meant kV would be lower and it would never realise that power unless you went to cell counts beyond all available esc's. I wanted to go up to 6kW, and the only way to get more power efficiently was with more rpm. This called for a new design of fan. I wanted something which gave more dynamic performance than any other fan out there, along with the versatility to be used with exhaust sizes from 90mm down to 80mm. This would allow the fan to be used in speed machines as well as heavy scale models. I wasn't interested in investing tens of thousands of dollars in injection moulding tooling, so it would have to have a hand laid carbon rotor. My experience with making the early 12 bladed rotors for the 110-52 told me that I wasn't going to go there again, so I went for 4 blades. Using 4 blades also means that the dynamic performance goal would be achieved without resorting to 12 months of CFD analysis to get 12 blades working together nicely. The only downside is that it doesn't have the cool sound of the 110-52. It's not all that bad, a bit better than most of the low blade count fans. I went for a 15 series Neumotor because there are lots of different winds and lengths available, so the customer can pick and choose just how much power and how many cells he wants to use. At the top end, a 1527-1.5Y on 12S will give you 5kW, although you cold add a cell and go just over 6kW. A 1524-1.5Y on 12S will get close to 6kW with the latest cells. down the other end of the power scale, a 1518-2Y will be in the 3.8-4kW region on 10S (I think - still waiting for one to test) which, combined with an 80mm exhaust) would be an absolute killer setup in a Spark.<br />
<br />
The new fan is designated SM110-45, ie 110mm fan diameter, 45mm hub diameter. It has an FSA of 7913sqmm, or about 12.25sqin. A bit more than the 110-52, but still small enough to fit in most turbine ARF's and not suffer because of small inlet size. It's a rotor/stator config this time, simply because this offers great flexibility in terms of exhaust size. the motor tube is cnc machined from aluminium and is anodised blue to improve the surface emissivity, so that it cools down quicker in between flights (during running, cooling is primarily by convection, so surface emissivity has little effect, but when not running this surface increases emissivity about 10x that of machined aluminium). You'll also notice the cooling fins are machined with a curve to match the stators. I felt this was very important, as having straight cooling fins with swirling flow creates a lot of turbulence. The front of the motor tube is about 4mm larger in diameter than the rear of the rotor hub to allow ram air to be forced through the motor for even more cooling. The result is that I can run a 1524-1.5Y on 12S, drawing 5.5kW and have a motor winding temperature of only 75degC.<br />
<br />
So, how does it perform? First, let me say that it wasn't designed for high static thrust. It was designed to give ultra high dynamic efficiency, nothing else was given as much importance during the deign process. I figured that if you wanted to do 200mph, you would have an excess of power available for takeoff anyway. Still, have a look at the static thrust vs power graph below. It really does give good static thrust, with a static efficiency right up there with the SM110-52 - something which still surprises me. It's designed to have a small exhaust, so you can choke it down to 80mm if you like, and get very high efflux velocities happening. When you do this, you'll notice the static thrust dropping roughly in proportion to the drop in exhaust area, and the efflux velocity rising at the same rate.<br />
<br />
We've been testing it in a few aircraft now, and it's showing that it is probably the most efficient fan in the big EDF market. Mike from Performance EDF has been flying one in his BVM Maverick for some time now, it goes superbly, as those present at Ejets will remember. We've also had one in an Electra, replacing the original fan resulted in a power drop of 10-15%, outright speed wasn't affected but vertical performance is just crazy. We'll choke it down a bit more to see just how fast it will go. The guys from Esprit have been flying one in their BVM Bandit. It weighs about 18lb RTF (I think - Zb?) and flies very well, it recently won an award at Georgia Jets for (I think) best EDF. <br />
<br />
Unlike the 110-52, the 110-45 will be available without the motor. I'm doing this because I know a lot of you already have a suitable motor, and because it's very simple to assemble. The rotor is held on to the motor shaft with a simple tapered collet. The motor is a precise fit inside the aluminium motor tube, you do need to apply some thermal grease, though, to make sure the thermal interface is complete.<br />
<br />
The recommended retail price with a 1527-1.5Y fitted and test run is $830US, without motor it's $525US. Currently, my US distributors have a few units on their way so check them out first.<br />
<br />
Stu.</div>


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			<title>New Product Hobby Lobby New F-15</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:34:13 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Anyone out there have one of the New HL F-15?  Would just like to discuss pre-flight throws, expidental settings used and any other information I can get before the maiden flight.  If anyone has flight habbits of this jet or a Vid would be good also.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Anyone out there have one of the New HL F-15?  Would just like to discuss pre-flight throws, expidental settings used and any other information I can get before the maiden flight.  If anyone has flight habbits of this jet or a Vid would be good also.</div>

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			<title>Discussion CG for the Yellow F-18 single</title>
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			<description>I am about to maiden my Yellow F-18 this Friday the 20th. I have no instructions on where to place the CG. I tried a forums search with 
no results.:confused: 
 
P. Richards aka SwatTeam</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I am about to maiden my Yellow F-18 this Friday the 20th. I have no instructions on where to place the CG. I tried a forums search with<br />
no results.:confused:<br />
<br />
P. Richards aka SwatTeam</div>

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			<title>New Product 90mm-101mm BAE HAWK ALL FIBERGLASS - WINGS TOO!!!!</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:53:18 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Um, has anyone seen this?!?!?! It looks like EasyTiger has stepped it up a HUGE notch! 
 
From the description, even the wings are ALL fiberglass and carbon fiber reinforced. 
 
 
 
 
http://easytigermodels.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=27&products_id=164]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Um, has anyone seen this?!?!?! It looks like EasyTiger has stepped it up a HUGE notch!<br />
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From the description, even the wings are ALL fiberglass and carbon fiber reinforced.<br />
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<a href="http://easytigermodels.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;cPath=27&amp;products_id=164" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://easytigermodels.com/index.php...roducts_id=164</a></div>

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			<dc:creator>skyline_g35</dc:creator>
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			<title>Help! Need Airframe for my Rclander 68mm 3s EDF unit</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:47:32 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hey guys, I'm retiring my GWS A-4 and have a good RCLander 3s EDF unit that I would like to put in a new, light, airframe. 
 
Any suggestions for a good airframe for this 68mm EDF unit? 
 
I currently fly with a 2X 3S 2200 mah battery configuration (4400 mah) 
 
Thanks, 
 
John]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hey guys, I'm retiring my GWS A-4 and have a good RCLander 3s EDF unit that I would like to put in a new, light, airframe.<br />
<br />
Any suggestions for a good airframe for this 68mm EDF unit?<br />
<br />
I currently fly with a 2X 3S 2200 mah battery configuration (4400 mah)<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
<br />
John</div>

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			<title>Help! mini p 51 mustang</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:52:26 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>i am making a mini electric p 51 mustang. it is almost done. i have the transmitter and receiver ready but i dont know what size motor i should use??? 
(the plane is about a foot long) 
 
any suggestions for a motor size? 
 
thanks</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>i am making a mini electric p 51 mustang. it is almost done. i have the transmitter and receiver ready but i dont know what size motor i should use???<br />
(the plane is about a foot long)<br />
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any suggestions for a motor size?<br />
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thanks</div>

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			<dc:creator>rcjetflyer2</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[Mini-HowTo Haoye fan & BigExtreme motor]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:33:12 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I wanted to see how the BigExtreme motor worked with the Haoye 5" fan. Jim & Scott at XPS let me use one of their motors (This one has a 677 kv) to try with the fan. It it works it will be a  nice low cost power system (aprox $200.00). I'm not looking for or excepting  Dynamax type numbers. Jim &...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I wanted to see how the BigExtreme motor worked with the Haoye 5&quot; fan. Jim &amp; Scott at XPS let me use one of their motors (This one has a 677 kv) to try with the fan. It it works it will be a  nice low cost power system (aprox $200.00). I'm not looking for or excepting  Dynamax type numbers. Jim &amp; Scott are going to run it up on their test stand at Az Jet this weekend. Here are the assembly pictures. I had the metal adapter made for me. If this works out I'm be able to get them for $20.00 ( Need to order 100 sets). I do have a CAD file of the parts.<br />
    On with the assembly, You will need to sand all the parts to give the JB Weld something to bite into. I felt bad having to put grind marks on the BigExtreme motor. Clean everything with alcohol. Mix up the JB Weld and locate the parts as shown.<br />
    After the adhesive cures, you will nee to trim the back of the fan down. I used my drill press and a dremel cut  off wheel. Set the height to 3.35 inches, Trim the motor tube down. Temp slide in the motor, the rear will be a tight fit. Mark the two spots for the locking tabs. Remove the motor and trim area.<br />
   Slide motor in and mount with four 4 mm allen head bolts(put blue Lock tite on motor mount holes before) .<br />
    Next install the 8 mm rotor adapter on the shaft. Mount balanced rotor and tighten nut. You are ready to go.<br />
   Fel free to ask any questions here. <br />
Bob</div>


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			<dc:creator>bruff</dc:creator>
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			<title>Discussion Thanks for the good times!</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:10:43 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I wanted to take a moment and say thanks to all of those out there that I had a blast with while flying EDF.  I am bowing out.  Thanks to all of the fellow pilots, my distributors, Jon Barnes, Jason Bensen, John Reed, Mike Gantt, Bing, George R., Chuck G., Morris, etc.,  that guided me at Hoffman...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I wanted to take a moment and say thanks to all of those out there that I had a blast with while flying EDF.  I am bowing out.  Thanks to all of the fellow pilots, my distributors, Jon Barnes, Jason Bensen, John Reed, Mike Gantt, Bing, George R., Chuck G., Morris, etc.,  that guided me at Hoffman Magnetics.  Thank you Tom and Les Hoffman for teaching me so much about life.<br />
Ray, I love ya.  And most of all, thank you Peter Rice for building me the fastest 60mm and 70mm planes on the planet. <br />
<br />
Shayne Benton out!!!<br />
<br />
BTW, my first brushless motor was a LS Purple Peril.  Good times back then Bob.</div>

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			<dc:creator>flythetailoff</dc:creator>
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			<title>Discussion Pro design f-18</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:15:56 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hello guys, 
 
  Just came across this product and was wondering if anyone have any info on this plane...or where can we get this. 
 
the price looks right too 
 
http://www.x-flight.hk/e/products/productdetails.asp?ic=PROD-F18E-90 
 
 
  I just want to jump into a 90mm edf  and get used to it...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hello guys,<br />
<br />
  Just came across this product and was wondering if anyone have any info on this plane...or where can we get this.<br />
<br />
the price looks right too<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.x-flight.hk/e/products/productdetails.asp?ic=PROD-F18E-90" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.x-flight.hk/e/products/pr...c=PROD-F18E-90</a><br />
<br />
<br />
  I just want to jump into a 90mm edf  and get used to it before i maiden my Tam f-16 ..<br />
<br />
<br />
Thanks<br />
<br />
Mike</div>

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			<dc:creator>Mike_eee</dc:creator>
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			<title>New Product RC Lander 120mm fan</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:05:07 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1143836 
 
Tim posted a video, looks to be about 12-13 pounds of thrust and stays nice and cool.  Now we need to get an RC Lander bird that will accept it with the PC covering.  :D</description>
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<br />
Tim posted a video, looks to be about 12-13 pounds of thrust and stays nice and cool.  Now we need to get an RC Lander bird that will accept it with the PC covering.  :D</div>

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			<dc:creator>Sid3ways</dc:creator>
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			<title>Question 90mm Vampire</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:44:35 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Need some info or opinions. I have the prototype Hoffman motor in a DS-51 and am looking at the Jet Arrows Vampire. Not sure who the manufacture is but am close to pushing the button. I really like the plane if anyone has one I would really like more info. 
 
thanks 
 
Pete</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Need some info or opinions. I have the prototype Hoffman motor in a DS-51 and am looking at the Jet Arrows Vampire. Not sure who the manufacture is but am close to pushing the button. I really like the plane if anyone has one I would really like more info.<br />
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thanks<br />
<br />
Pete</div>


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			<dc:creator>hole digger</dc:creator>
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			<title>Discussion EDF Duct geometry</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:57:43 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Guys, 
 
Is there any advice or guides to optimum duct geometry?  I'm just after a simple appreciation of what the area ratio should be for the fan, inlet and exhaust nozzle for optimum performance. 
 
Any help would be much appreciated. 
 
Si G]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Guys,<br />
<br />
Is there any advice or guides to optimum duct geometry?  I'm just after a simple appreciation of what the area ratio should be for the fan, inlet and exhaust nozzle for optimum performance.<br />
<br />
Any help would be much appreciated.<br />
<br />
Si G</div>

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			<dc:creator>Si Goodchild</dc:creator>
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			<title>Discussion Airfol suggestions ??</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:42:01 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Okay i got my plans now I need some help. I am building a 48" Super Bandit ans was wondering if anyone has suggestion for a good all around airfoil. i pan to stay under 100mph as this is my first jet. I will be hot cutting and bagging the wings. 
 
help a fella out!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Okay i got my plans now I need some help. I am building a 48&quot; Super Bandit ans was wondering if anyone has suggestion for a good all around airfoil. i pan to stay under 100mph as this is my first jet. I will be hot cutting and bagging the wings.<br />
<br />
help a fella out!!</div>

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			<dc:creator>Double Pappa</dc:creator>
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			<title>Discussion Fury / Lander Fan 6S thrust?</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:29:46 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Has anyone tested the 6S version of these fans? 
 
Yesterday I got 2 lbs 11 oz at ~720W and 27A. 
 
The batts were only Flightmax 2200s, but I'm still way shy of the 3.6 lb spec. 
 
I was using the standard intake but will switch to the straight shroud when Air Sally's ducting arrives for my EF 16....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Has anyone tested the 6S version of these fans?<br />
<br />
Yesterday I got 2 lbs 11 oz at ~720W and 27A.<br />
<br />
The batts were only Flightmax 2200s, but I'm still way shy of the 3.6 lb spec.<br />
<br />
I was using the standard intake but will switch to the straight shroud when Air Sally's ducting arrives for my EF 16.  Also, this was bare exhaust which I'm thinking will be constricted to 85% FSA.  That should increase the current draw (to the 35A spec) but I'm wondering if the thrust/ speed trade will actually improve.<br />
<br />
Joe</div>

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			<title>Discussion Lanxiang F-35B vtol???</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:21:11 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[The Chinese Lanxiang website (here (http://lanxiang20080730.en.ec21.com/company_info.jsp)) says "With our expect, F-35, which takes off vertically, will meet model lovers in the near future. " 
 
Has anyone heard (from a more reliable source perhaps) of any such plans? From the difficulty people...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The Chinese Lanxiang website (<a href="http://lanxiang20080730.en.ec21.com/company_info.jsp" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a>) says &quot;With our expect, F-35, which takes off vertically, will meet model lovers in the near future. &quot;<br />
<br />
Has anyone heard (from a more reliable source perhaps) of any such plans? From the difficulty people are having here with VTOL planes, let alone VTOL F-35s, it sounds dubious... Exciting! But doubtful...</div>

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			<dc:creator>alphacenturi</dc:creator>
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			<title>Discussion Anybody ordered from Airpower recently?</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:42:27 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Cant seem to be able to get in touch with Dirk and I have seen AirPac have had some issues. Just about to place a substantial order to Airpower, are things ok?  Any recent Airpower order experiances? 
 
I know Dirk disappears over to mainland China on occasion, perhaps I have hit one of those times?</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Cant seem to be able to get in touch with Dirk and I have seen AirPac have had some issues. Just about to place a substantial order to Airpower, are things ok?  Any recent Airpower order experiances?<br />
<br />
I know Dirk disappears over to mainland China on occasion, perhaps I have hit one of those times?</div>

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			<dc:creator>Whistling Watts</dc:creator>
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			<title>Discussion Is Hoffman Magnetic Out of Biz?</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:08:21 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Is Hoffman Magnetics Out of Biz?  The entire website it down, and there is a comment in the classifieds that they closed their doors.  Is this true?</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Is Hoffman Magnetics Out of Biz?  The entire website it down, and there is a comment in the classifieds that they closed their doors.  Is this true?</div>

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			<title>Question gws edf 64</title>
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			<description>Hi all , could anyone tell me what is the max diameter of motor that will fit a GWS 64 EDF plz? Thank you.:)</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi all , could anyone tell me what is the max diameter of motor that will fit a GWS 64 EDF plz? Thank you.:)</div>

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			<title>Discussion Need suggestions for the location of the ESC</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I am building the K&A Park Mig and I need some suggestions for where I can place the ESC to make sure it gets cooling.   I know a lot of people put their ESC behind the fan but I have an outrunner in the EDF unit so no real way to hang the ESC on the back of the motor. 
 
I was thinking about...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I am building the K&amp;A Park Mig and I need some suggestions for where I can place the ESC to make sure it gets cooling.   I know a lot of people put their ESC behind the fan but I have an outrunner in the EDF unit so no real way to hang the ESC on the back of the motor.<br />
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I was thinking about sticking the ESC to the side of the ducting with double sided tape.  But with does it matter if I put the ESC on front of or in back of the fan unit?  Of course I know if in front it can get sucked into the fan other than that any other issues?</div>

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			<title>Discussion 120mm EDF RCLander</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Guys, i came across this video posted by EJF of RCLander testing theirs lasted 120mm EDF, the thrust reach 5.8kg on burst and stays around 5.4-5.5kg  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwRbM5q6As 
 
I have the 90mm and it's heavy. I wonder if this is heavy metal weight too.. I dont really like the...]]></description>
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I have the 90mm and it's heavy. I wonder if this is heavy metal weight too.. I dont really like the heavier weight on the shroud.<br />
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			<title>Cool Vasa F-5</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:24:15 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I know this is a older jet,but I just aquired one in a trade that was NIB.There was not a whole lot I could find on the jet,seems hit or miss with it.I used a 64mm housing that had enough room to install one of TheDons BI3600.This is a 70mm size motor,so I cut down a 6904 rotor to fit in the...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I know this is a older jet,but I just aquired one in a trade that was NIB.There was not a whole lot I could find on the jet,seems hit or miss with it.I used a 64mm housing that had enough room to install one of TheDons BI3600.This is a 70mm size motor,so I cut down a 6904 rotor to fit in the fan.This setup makes 825 watts at 49 amps.The jet has no intake ducting and would be rough to even try to make one as the wing joiner runs across inside.It did not seem to hurt performance to much,flies very nice and is quite quiet in the air.<br />
Bungee launches great,but coudy over cast day sucks!<br />
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			<title>Discussion How do you know when you are ready?</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:05:33 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Just curious for the guys experienced flying EDF's, especially military jets.  How do you know when you are ready to take this next step in r/c flying.  Also, what is a good progression of aircraft to master before heading for the challenges of EDFs.  Thanks for your input in advance 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Just curious for the guys experienced flying EDF's, especially military jets.  How do you know when you are ready to take this next step in r/c flying.  Also, what is a good progression of aircraft to master before heading for the challenges of EDFs.  Thanks for your input in advance<br />
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			<title>Discussion Working aircraft carrier</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:20:52 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Purely hypothetical (although awesome if brought to life): what is the feasibility of making a large (5-6m long) scale aircraft carrier out of thick depron/balsa etc equipped with radio control motors, arrestor wires, catapult and lifts, and then running takeoffs and landings with a 70mm or less...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Purely hypothetical (although awesome if brought to life): what is the feasibility of making a large (5-6m long) scale aircraft carrier out of thick depron/balsa etc equipped with radio control motors, arrestor wires, catapult and lifts, and then running takeoffs and landings with a 70mm or less EDF jet carrying FPVideo? They do it with micro indoor stuff, but I see no reasons why a jet with video transmitter and OSD etc could not take a stab at a carrier landing, complete with arrestor wires and catapults. <br />
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Oh, and I mean, a carrier actually on water...</div>

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