Hangar 9 P51 150 ripoff?

[Heli1-2]

Hi,

My LHS tells me that this is the 150 sized P-51 Mustang from Hangar 9

When i speak to other shops they tell me that the yellow cub version of the 150 Mustang from Hangar 9 does not exist, it only comes out as the olive drab version, can anyone clear this out for me?

Is the plane you see in the photos the 150 stang from Hangar 9?

[k4dan]

No. I think its the 60 size.

[Heli1-2]

Anyone else think so? Why can no one tell me if the 150 size mustang is released with the color scheme above?

The LHS guy says that hangar 9 recently (in the past year) released this new yellow color scheme,

can any representative from Hangar 9 confirm if this color scheme is available for the 150 size h9 mustang?

[Timmahh]

how big is the w/s. a 60 sized plane will be around 60 inches. a 120 will be around 73 inches. i think a 150 would be around a 90 in w/s.
you could always look at H9s website too.

[blucor basher]

Tape measure time.

[Heli1-2]

I did not actually see this plane, the pictures was sent to me by the owner of the shop,
I'm beginning to think that this might be an older 150 h9 mustang (being released in this color scheme) (H9 had stopped producing the 150 size for a while and then re-released it with some improvements in the Olive drab scheme, That fact might render the hobbyshop an honest dealership, off course it might be the other way around if this is the 60 sized one?

Hangar 9 could clear this up if only they saw the post. (did they have the above yellow color scheme in the older version of the 150 sized mustang?)

[tIANcI]

Heli ... why don't you go and see it for yourself? I mean, would that not be easier? You can see the box ... the manual ... the plane ...

[Ron101]

Yep it's without a doubt the older 150 hanger 9

I can tell by the tailwheel location and the servos aren't in the tail and it has flaps .. the 60 size does not

I help maiden one and didn't like the way it flew... get the new version
much better plane

as far as I know the piper club only came in yellow.. but I could be wrong on that one


Ron

[k4dan]

Ron you are 100% right!

[Heli1-2]

Thanks guys, so the older one did not come out with the Olive Drab scheme?

[Ron101]

nope..just the yellow and silver

Ron

[Heli1-2]

Thanks, i have given the go ahead to another dealer on the new Olive Drab version.I've heard the older one does not fly too well.

Thanks for clearing this out guys!

[tIANcI]

Heli ... what will your set up be? The olive drab one looks really good.

[Heli1-2]

Hi Tianci
So far stock as per the RCU review if my LHS can get the goods for me.

[kahloq]

The original 150 size H9 P-51 did have the yellow tail and was marked "marie"
The wingspan was 77". The plane flew fine, but some thought it was a little heavy.

The current version of the 150 H9 P-51 is 80" with olive drab tail and upper front nose. Markings are for "Ferocious Frankie". It flies well. I have one, but changed the markings/colorscheme

[Heli1-2]

You do have one too, someone here with one was not happy with it being lighter, for windy days when landing, but i must say i prefer it being lighter myself, i'd rather let it be able to have a slower approach than a faster one, just one thing i'm concerned about is people saying it sometimes drops a wing upon landing.

Which is preferable for you or most pilots flying this bird, paved or grass runway? Is robarts necessary?

One guy complained about the stock LG not retracting 100% killing some of the scale looks in flight.

[Tom in Cincy]

I have one of the 150 size P51's with the yellow Marie scheme. It was discontinued 3 or 4 years ago. It is a very good flyer and had a loyal following. It did had 2 major faults. First the stock retracts were totally unusable. The Ferocious Frankie has much better retracts. #2 was the fact that the model was just under 80" in wingspan and would not allow it to qualify for IMAA sanctioned events ( giant scale fly in's) --- some said that was truly its demise. There is a big thread on the original 150 P51 on RCU. If you could get it for $300 or less it would be a fair deal. Mine is still flying with a Saito 180 and Century Jet retracts..

[kahloq]

You do have one too, someone here with one was not happy with it being lighter, for windy days when landing, but i must say i prefer it being lighter myself, i'd rather let it be able to have a slower approach than a faster one, just one thing i'm concerned about is people saying it sometimes drops a wing upon landing.

Which is preferable for you or most pilots flying this bird, paved or grass runway? Is robarts necessary?

One guy complained about the stock LG not retracting 100% killing some of the scale looks in flight.

Mine is overweight slightly so I cant comment on it being lighter or not. I think that actually having the mass mine does makes it fly better in wind. It weighs over 17 pounds if i remember right.
As far as dropping a wing......I've never had that happen and Ive gotten it REALLY slow(in fact had to land it with gear up cuz one of the linkages snapped after take off and wouldnt extend). I got that thing so slow(with full flaps) I couldnt believe it was still flying....and then poof....1 foot off the grass it simply stopped flying and dropped....no left or right tendency, just plopped down on the grass.

[Carlyle Harper]

Don't try to bank and yank it though. On the second flight of my first Frankie, I did just that and sent it into a death spiral nose first in the ground. Frankie #2 knows a little better now.

[rceagle1a]

I'm assuming that with a 26cc gas engine pulling at full throttle this Plane won't handle a steep bank and then pulling around with elevator input? That is strange as this is what a P51 should be able to do.

[Staggerflyer]

I'm assuming that with a 26cc gas engine pulling at full throttle this Plane won't handle a steep bank and then pulling around with elevator input? That is strange as this is what a P51 should be able to do.

:eek:
NO IT WON'T!!! That manuever is the death knell for any high speed, highly loaded wing! An immediate high speed stall, usually rolling, violently, to the left. You better have LOT'S of altitude when you try it. A real P-51 will require at least 10,000 feet to recover safely, losing on average 7-8,000 ft.

[Pheasant]

Sure it will, was doing just that last Saturday with mine. It has an Evolution 26, pretty stock setup other than that except I added a retractable tailwheel.

By steep, I mean between 70-90 degrees, and it'll pull around pretty sharply, more so than scale. I wouldn't try a non-scale type pylon racing turn, but have no desire or need to. It'll do smooth, carving, high speed turns and figure 8's all day with no issues.



I'm assuming that with a 26cc gas engine pulling at full throttle this Plane won't handle a steep bank and then pulling around with elevator input? That is strange as this is what a P51 should be able to do.

[Robert-CSD]

Pheasant,
You are pushing your luck. If you can fly doing the bank and pull thing - that great. But, war birds have a different flight envelop than sport planes. Keep it in the flight envelop and it feels like you can do anything. When you surpass the flight envelop - even a tiny little bit - it will end up costing you a plane. You will eventually learn that someday. You can learn the easy way or the hard way. You have three guys, Carlyle Harper, Staggerflyer and myself describing whats going to happen. So, how you decide to learn is all up to you.

[Pheasant]

I respectfully disagree. Just because it's a 'warbird' doesn't automatically mean that it has any bad habits, I've flown sport planes that had narrower margins and far nastier stall characteristics than the H9 Mustang. Sure if I pull on it hard enough it's going to let go, but that won't be because it's a warbird.

As far as warbirds go, this one is a fine handling model, and the biggest adjustment it requires from a sport model is having to carry some power on approach, especially with full flaps.

Something that could possibly contribute to bank and yank problems would be an aft CG. I've seen models like this with CG misplacement due to balancing the model upright, which can introduce errors. A combination of CG and elevator throw can actually be used to make a stall impossible, this has been done on full size aircraft, and a similar though less extreme setup makes the Mustang a pussycat. This particular model has the elevator pushrods at the inboard hole of the servo arm, and the outer on the control horn. More than enough authority for the entire flight regime, not so much to cause trouble.

If you could see it fly it's pretty clear that no envelope's are being pushed, and I consider myself a pretty fair judge of a model. My friend has this Mustang now but I have another coming in a week or so.

[S3NFO]

I yank and bank warbirds all the time. What's the fun of owning a warbird if you can't yank and bank it. Might as well just fly a trainer.
Let's see, 4 FW-190's, 7 Mustangs that I can remember, probably more, 1 BF-109, 1 Sea Fury, 1 Hurricane, 2 Zero's, 1 Tony......Just off the top of my head and never had a problem 1 with any of them yanking and banking.

[Robert-CSD]

Pheasant,
Thanks for the accurate description. Sounds like we are getting off topic a bit, but at least you are still talking about a giant war bird. Smaller ones are in a league of there own. I will reconsider my thoughts on the H9 Mustang and possibly consider one in the future. I am glad to hear H9 is moving in the right direction. I own a few of their planes and I am partial to the 35% Extra 260 - a very good handling aircraft.