The 1/96 scale Elite!

[FightingSailor]

Hi Y'all,

Here are some pictures of a couple of my favorite boats... OMG! these aren't 1/96 scale, I'm supposed to be an elitist! Does not compute, I'M MELTING WHAT A WORLD aaghhhh....

[FightingSailor]

Hi Y'all,

Here are some pictures of a couple of my favorite boats... OMG! these aren't 1/96 scale, I'm supposed to be an elitist! Does not compute, I'M MELTING WHAT A WORLD aaghhhh....

Oh geez! what will I do? the other 1/96 guys are gonna know I have diferent scale boats! where will I go to run my boats now?
I gues I'll have to make due running with Mission Bay RC Boaters, or Hansen dam irregulars, or San Diego Argonauts, or I can run with the other guys who run at Santee, or maybe even run with those guys at Heritage park.
Wow! I got no worries.... Southern California Is FULL of multi scale clubs! It's so hard to decide which.... Hell I'll run with all of them!
I yeah... I forgot... I already do.

[Ghost 2501]

that schooner looks georgeous

[Ghost 2501]

behind the U-boat and US sub, is that USS Scorpion on the concrete hiding from view, or at least trying to?

[FightingSailor]

Thanx, I love my schooner. Actually the smaller sub behing the U-57 is my room mate Steve Little's USS Bonefish. I do have a model of USS Scorpion, it was my 1st submarine model. The other models pictured are USS S-33 (1/48), U-57 (1/32), and Schooner Yacht Wasp (1/20).

[Squid_Vicious]

Oh My God Steve! Me too!!! I'm not running 1/96 either! The world is going to end! Ahhgggg!!!!! :eek:

[herrmill]

Your S boat looks very nice. I'd presume that is a scratch built? Do you have anymore photos to post?

[FightingSailor]

Thank you,

It is scratch built, the hull was started By Matt Spade in Georgia, I bought it from him and finished it out. Unfortunately I only have one other shot. I really should take more time away from driving boats and take more pictures.

[EMSPAUL]

Steve,
Please tell me they don`t let you drive the big one.
lol
Paul

[FightingSailor]

Steve,
Please tell me they don`t let you drive the big one.
lol
Paul

Dude! I'm a Quartermaster HA He he he he... Thats exactly what I do...

[FightingSailor]

You cannot Imagine how hot that conn top was when those pics were taken!
I was 120 farenhiet plus I was surrounded by a black kevelar ballistic apron.
So It was like driving an LCU from an easy bake oven.

[Kcal]

Ha, Easy Bake Oven (ding), and well done!

[Ghost 2501]

i wander if the decks get hot enough to cook with?

[FightingSailor]

It got pretty hot, and the blowboats were stiring up alot of sand. Why do we always have to fight wars in hot sh*^y areas? Next war needs to be in a temperate zone!

[Ghost 2501]

It got pretty hot, and the blowboats were stiring up alot of sand. Why do we always have to fight wars in hot sh*^y areas? Next war needs to be in a temperate zone!

back in the days of nixon through to Regan, it very well could have been, and I would be glowing in the dark!

[FightingSailor]

back in the days of nixon through to Regan, it very well could have been, and I would be glowing in the dark!

Dad was a "Boomer" sailor and I grew up on base... I would've been glowing to.
Hey does anybody remember the films we had in school with the turtle? ya know "duck and cover".

[Ghost 2501]

Dad was a "Boomer" sailor and I grew up on base... I would've been glowing to.
Hey does anybody remember the films we had in school with the turtle? ya know "duck and cover".


oh yes, and how to make the cupboard under your stairs a fall out shelter, oh yes :D

here's a British take on the subject

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DfmRt8pgU

worst of it, I went to a tourist attraction at Hack Green, the "secret nuclear bunker" (yes thats what its signposted as when you drive to it!!), and you can actually PURCHASE the entire series on DVD and VHS and yes I did buy it.

Its probably the most funny video I have ever seen!

"listen to your radio" they say, EMP is one of the side effects from a nuclear blast, wont it kill your radio?

[Ghost 2501]

heres how to make that fall out shelter

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3IaeeSKpwSQ

[FightingSailor]

Our film had a catchy tune... We raised a couple generations to believe that a grade school desk is the strongest object known to man!
The threat is still out there, more unstable though....

[keith S]

Nice models and we won't tell that yuo are not sticking to 1/96! Fun to have vessels in other scales depending on subject/size.

[Shaun Hendricks]

Desks and other uprights create liveable areas in case of roof collapse. Just odds of survival increasing there. I'm surrounded by a cubicle that probably would collapse on me if anything happened in this old building and they still tell me to get under it in case of an earthquake. What's that saying, it's all about the 'triangles of safety' or something like that? :D

[FightingSailor]

I guess I should show y'all abit of my 1/96 stuff too, perhaps the others will forgive me if I do....
This is my Model of USS Atlanta Cl-51 scratch built by me on a Scale Shipyard hull.....

[FightingSailor]

Here are a couple pic's which really illustrate why we love to have 1 scale runs... Multi scale is what the hobby is all about... but our 1 scale runs are special, what do y'all think?

[Ghost 2501]

Our film had a catchy tune...

you mean this??
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wiI62AZTQw8

## "duck and cover, duck....... and cover..."##

[FightingSailor]

Yea baby! thats the one.... Good times. Ronald Reagan, 600 ship Navy, Battleships w/cruise missiles Kill a commie for Mommie....

[Ghost 2501]

to be honest, wth is a school desk going to do against 20 megatons of exploding uranium or 50 megatons of exploding hydrogen?

chocolate fire grate rings a bell here

[Ghost 2501]

"back to the plot, (what there is of it)"

the pics do look good when all ships are the same scale, or close to the same scale, kinda gives a good interpretation of how big some ships are, such as that Iowa sitting next to the smaller destroyers, one of which i think is a fletcher.

here's my example, HMS amazon, which i think is 1/96th and Nord Icelandia, which is railed with 1/100 sc railroad railings

[FightingSailor]

The three ships nested out are USS Iowa (James Mossou) USS Atlanta (Steve Vick) and USS Johnston (Dave Manley) yes it is a Fletcher.
I also included a pic of The Maersk container ship being built by my friend Ryan.

[Ghost 2501]

and he's got the blue right on the maersk boat, and it looks a different scale to the battleship thats off its port bow.

that Iowa is big! wander what USS NIMITZ would look like alongside

I built a second Graupner neptun so I can sail in convoy, this pic proves it, and I only have 1 transmitter,

[FightingSailor]

The Maersk is 1/96, the "Battleship" is My Light Cruiser Atlanta. Plus there is a trick of perspective at play w/ that pic.
You have uncovered the Flaw in our 1 scale runs though, that being era...
Atlanta was sunk November 13 1942, and there she sits next to a modern container ship! Oh well nothin's perfect, however when we have the really big runs we have enough ships of every type that they do tend to segregate according to type / era i.e Axis ships , Allied ships , Modern ships etc...

[Ghost 2501]

sorry steve, I stand corrected over the "battleship",

as for 1/200, again I did this, I set them up so that I could sail Yamato and Celestia together, which took some re-arranging of the plugs in the reciever and turning off of the thusters in Celestia. prior to this shot being taken, lining Celestia and Yamato up, I rammed Celestia with Yamato!

I had to juggle c6 to get the speed right on Celestia and balance it with Yamato. the rudders used the cross axis ("rudder" and "aileron") on the sticks, this was with the strap holding up the tx, using one hand to work the camera, the other hand to work the boats, and all under view of a load of spectators.

The comentator wasn't sure if it was Yamato or Musashi that I had, as its yamato before Ten Ichi Go. they are both 1/200

[FightingSailor]

That is soo cool! How many turns do you get before they fall out of formation or colide?

[Ghost 2501]

about half of a turn, its quite an art sailing two models at once, even with Gemini and Miranda which are practically identical its not easy. when I had Nord with Amazon, it was easy as the other guy who sailed HMS Amazon, all I had to do was keep at a given point off his ship

[Ghost 2501]

ps it was usually a collision, being rammed in public display is bad, however when you ram YOURSELF, it can be somewhat embarrassing!

[Ghost 2501]

another formation, Gemini with (I think) USS South Carolina, one of the nuclear powered missile cruisers. I MAY BE WRONG

[FightingSailor]

USS Long Beach, the big square structure (phased array identical to USS Enterprise) is the telling point.
I have been trying to teach station keeping to the guys for awhile now (with limited effect).
The trick is to pick what ship is the Guide ship. Guide doesn't try to maintain station w/ anyone, all ships in formation should maintain station relative to guide for example; Essex is guide, Johnston takes port quarter, Atlanta takes stbd quarter etc... Essex steers the base course and all others in screen do whatever they need to do to maintain their station relative to her.
Clear as mud?

[Ghost 2501]

aaah yes, thats the baby, she's big too, has a demountable yacht keel under her as ballasting in the hull wasn't enough to hold her against windage.

here's how I read it, though im probably WAY off the mark.

basically in formation, the lead ship, Arrow 1, sails, then arrow 2, 3, 4 and 5 have to keep where they should be in relation with Arrow 1, and the vessel alongside.

if in a V formation, those on the outside speed up and turn, those inboard of the turn slow down and give HARDer rudder than the outboard ships.

so i may well need correcting

with practice it should come easy, though where am I to say, im not an expert at formation stuff. I have noticed, when towing the array v1.0 with nord icelandia, that the cable played out, yes all 10 odd feet of it has a significant affect on the dynamics of the ship, she needed more power for longer on the outboard engine and more rudder to make the turn in order to mow the lawn, and she couldnt make the turn as tight as she could with the array on the deck, before she can turn pretty tight, around 3 ship lengths on rudder alone. Towing the antenna it was more like 7 or 8 ship lengths and even at that, the line would be hard over to an angle. (this was to keep the fish in its box at the bottom of the pool, as it had 10feet x 40 ft of area 10 feet deep, the swimming pools "diving box", after 10 feet the pool rose rapidly to 6ft, then at normal angle to 3ft deep at the shallow end

[FightingSailor]

You are correct, except; The Guide is not nessesarily the lead, center of formation is easiest, also all ships only focus on the guide and their position relative to the guide. If the formation is properly set up, the next ship over is of no concern. Imagine a Polar projection with guide being center and every ship having a sector....

[norgale]

You guys sure do have some darned fine looking models on this thread. Do any of you do anything besides build ship models? HA! Great thread guys. Thanks for posting the pics. Pete

[Ghost 2501]

<2) <3) <4)
<5) <1) <6)
<7) <8) <9)

something like that ??

< = bow
7 = ship number
) = stern

I'd have still thaught that knowing where your box-mate is in relation to you would still be good sea-keeping practice, simply so you dont hit eachother

[Ghost 2501]

You guys sure do have some darned fine looking models on this thread. Do any of you do anything besides build ship models? HA! Great thread guys. Thanks for posting the pics. Pete

sleep??

[Ghost 2501]

The navy day we as a club had in 2006 was a national event, though it was a multi scale event, just "any warship" I had Celestia there, its job, to sail from point to point, providing traffic, competitors had to pass me in accordance to the rules of the sea.

anything like that happen on your events?

[FightingSailor]

The navy day we as a club had in 2006 was a national event, though it was a multi scale event, just "any warship" I had Celestia there, its job, to sail from point to point, providing traffic, competitors had to pass me in accordance to the rules of the sea.

anything like that happen on your events?

No, but you gave me a great idea!!

[FightingSailor]

<2) <3) <4)
<5) <1) <6)
<7) <8) <9)

something like that ??

< = bow
7 = ship number
) = stern

I'd have still thaught that knowing where your box-mate is in relation to you would still be good sea-keeping practice, simply so you dont hit eachother
Yes but imagine it terms of a circular formation this allows about 45 deg. of "sea room" for each ship in the screen. it does take quite a bit of space.

[FightingSailor]

You guys sure do have some darned fine looking models on this thread. Do any of you do anything besides build ship models? HA! Great thread guys. Thanks for posting the pics. Pete

Does this count?
I'm also learning to play the Violin...

[Ghost 2501]

No, but you gave me a great idea!!

oh no! what have i done? :D :D :D

help me!!

2007 and 2008 navy day was a low key affair due to no fascilities at the lake for WC etc because of a building project.

however all skippers abiding by the rules of the sea, (meaning skippers of a 1/96th sc small tug MUST give way to vessels like that 1/96th maersk, also if a ship was there displaying red-white-red (restricted manouvrability) from their mast, or its equivilent day signal then the other skippers must act accordingy to give it a wide berth. if running to charts, and a ship had 3 all round red lights, (restricted by her draught), then vessels of a smaller draught would have to yeld.

that would make for intersting navigation, and I wander how many would get it wrong and how many would get it right.

Steve, I say go for it!!

[Ghost 2501]

Yes but imagine it terms of a circular formation this allows about 45 deg. of "sea room" for each ship in the screen. it does take quite a bit of space.

bit hard to do it on a forum board, but that was what i was trying to do

Nice ford mustang as well :)

[Ghost 2501]

btw one rule that our club does have, and may others have is Power gives way to sail!

[FightingSailor]

oh no! what have i done? :D :D :D

help me!!

2007 and 2008 navy day was a low key affair due to no fascilities at the lake for WC etc because of a building project.

however all skippers abiding by the rules of the sea, (meaning skippers of a 1/96th sc small tug MUST give way to vessels like that 1/96th maersk, also if a ship was there displaying red-white-red (restricted manouvrability) from their mast, or its equivilent day signal then the other skippers must act accordingy to give it a wide berth. if running to charts, and a ship had 3 all round red lights, (restricted by her draught), then vessels of a smaller draught would have to yeld.

that would make for intersting navigation, and I wander how many would get it wrong and how many would get it right.

Steve, I say go for it!!

I am a professional Mariner so for me... no worries... For the others? well lets say it would be fun to watch.

[Ghost 2501]

not even I know all the signals, nor do I even pretend to, and i only think that the lights on Nord Icelandia are right, hope they are now that they're installed.

however like you say be interesting to watch

[FightingSailor]

not even I know all the signals, nor do I even pretend to, and i only think that the lights on Nord Icelandia are right, hope they are now that they're installed.

however like you say be interesting to watch

Several good sources for the "rules of the road"

1) International sailing rules (available at any yachting supplier)
2) Bowditch (American practical Navigator)
3) Duttons piloting

[EMSPAUL]

Ghost have you ever seen any of the runs on the west coast?
If you search for r/c warships on you tube.
Some of them are quite good.
some of the guy`s on the east coast think it`s Nascar.
Still a lot of fun.
We in the North Atlantic Battle Group are always practicing grid searches ,a few hits but we are getting better at it
Paul

[W.L Upshaw]

I have always gone with the rules of Gross Tonnage.
The heaviest ship has the right of way.

When a destroyer cuts in front of a battleship, the destroyer loses, it is pretty automatic.

And do not get me started on sailboats.

I have had skippers run their sailboats right in front of my battleship on several occasions, they just do not get it. While they can turn literally on their mast the battleship which usually outweighs them by a factor of more then 7 and most of us know that a battleship does not turn or stop on a dime.

Years ago a sailboat cut in front of a tanker in coastal waters, there was a coast guard officer on the bridge, and he did not even know that they had run over the sailboat. I am sure that the sailboat skipper was yelling at the tankers bow about how he had the right of way just prior to his and his 2 passengers deaths.

[Mike McCrea]

Here are a couple pic's which really illustrate why we love to have 1 scale runs... Multi scale is what the hobby is all about... but our 1 scale runs are special, what do y'all think?


I agree the 1 scale runs are cool..here is one of my favorite pics. from the Balboa fleet run july 22 2006 and do you recognise the second pic steve?

[W.L Upshaw]

For the people coming to Ontario this weekend, wait til you see Mike's carrier now.

[fooman2008]

Sailor,
I was a knuckle draggin BM in uncle Ronnie's floating canoe club and traveling circus. QM's are sailors? Just kidding!
I have a couple of thoughts for you from an old tin can sailor.
First sail boats not being under power, do have right of way (having sailed all over the United States and Caribbean), but tonnage has right of way! Just ask anyone who has ever been into the old base at Alameda CA., especially when Enterprise or Coral Sea was coming in.
Second normal people don't let people become gators (amphibs). It is an abnormal act to run a perfectly good boat into a beach and then let nice passengers take themselves and functioning gear and go where people shoot at them! (I passed coxswain school and escaped back to my tin can when we were in the shipyard)
Lastly, even if they have right of way ,check the coast guard regs, they are required to use due dilligence to avoid collision! Cut one in half with Mushashi and see if they argue right of way or not.
I can remember pulling into Sasebo Japan and having the damned Greenpeace clowns try and protest over the nuclear powered Carl Vinson, the commander of the battle group finally lost patience with the abilities of the cops to get them away from Vinson and he called away a pair of hose teams on each corner of the forward flight deck. Did you know that a 2 1/2 inch hose can fill a 14 foot zodiac so full of water that is can barely maintain steerage way (and make it so the Japanese cops could finally catch and arrest them) in about 15 seconds? Plan B was an H-3 Seaking about forty feet over the water on either side escorting the carrier out. I was told they had a bucket of smoke floats to use on them but just the rotor wash convinced all but the most die hards to give it up, then out came the hoses again.
Foo ex-BMSN,ex-BM3 (got meritoriously advanced then busted for telling the chief what I thought of him)
P.S. according to an old BM LDO I met once, he told that a good sea story is 20% fact, 20% fiction, and 60% balls to tell lies like that!

[Ghost 2501]

Ghost have you ever seen any of the runs on the west coast?
If you search for r/c warships on you tube.
Some of them are quite good.
some of the guy`s on the east coast think it`s Nascar.
Still a lot of fun.
We in the North Atlantic Battle Group are always practicing grid searches ,a few hits but we are getting better at it
Paul

cant say as i have seen the runs. I'll have a look see what i can find :)

...Greenpeace clowns try and protest over the nuclear powered Carl Vinson... they'd love me then as nuclear is the way to go

[Ghost 2501]

any of the 96th task force run at night?

[FightingSailor]

Sailor,
I was a knuckle draggin BM in uncle Ronnie's floating canoe club and traveling circus. QM's are sailors? Just kidding!
I have a couple of thoughts for you from an old tin can sailor.
First sail boats not being under power, do have right of way (having sailed all over the United States and Caribbean), but tonnage has right of way! Just ask anyone who has ever been into the old base at Alameda CA., especially when Enterprise or Coral Sea was coming in.
Second normal people don't let people become gators (amphibs). It is an abnormal act to run a perfectly good boat into a beach and then let nice passengers take themselves and functioning gear and go where people shoot at them! (I passed coxswain school and escaped back to my tin can when we were in the shipyard)
Lastly, even if they have right of way ,check the coast guard regs, they are required to use due dilligence to avoid collision! Cut one in half with Mushashi and see if they argue right of way or not.
I can remember pulling into Sasebo Japan and having the damned Greenpeace clowns try and protest over the nuclear powered Carl Vinson, the commander of the battle group finally lost patience with the abilities of the cops to get them away from Vinson and he called away a pair of hose teams on each corner of the forward flight deck. Did you know that a 2 1/2 inch hose can fill a 14 foot zodiac so full of water that is can barely maintain steerage way (and make it so the Japanese cops could finally catch and arrest them) in about 15 seconds? Plan B was an H-3 Seaking about forty feet over the water on either side escorting the carrier out. I was told they had a bucket of smoke floats to use on them but just the rotor wash convinced all but the most die hards to give it up, then out came the hoses again.
Foo ex-BMSN,ex-BM3 (got meritoriously advanced then busted for telling the chief what I thought of him)
P.S. according to an old BM LDO I met once, he told that a good sea story is 20% fact, 20% fiction, and 60% balls to tell lies like that!

Hi Boats,

To be precise Vessels under sail have right of way under "inland" rules , but shall not impede the passage of a vessel constrained by draft, or in restricted manuverability. Of course the fall back is the rule that states that both vessels shall take whatever measures nessesary to avoid collision.
In our group ( TF-96) law of gross tonage prevails (as Lee stated earlier) of course Lee drives a BB so he loves that "unwritten" rule.
I am trying to teach the membership at large a bit about sailing rules and staion keeping, but it is slow going. It is fun though.
I have been a Tin Can Sailor in the past, I served on USS Lassen DDG 82 and USS Decatur DDG 73. Tin Cans will make a Sailor out of ya. I also Served on USS Typhoon PC5, USS Duluth LPD 6, USS Ronald Reagan CVN 76, and LCU 1648.
Fair Winds and Following Seas,
QM1

[FightingSailor]

any of the 96th task force run at night?

Not often... The problem is that most parks are closed at night (to deter gang activity) So a night run usually requires the cooperation of the local police. Mission Bay Scale RC Boaters does 1 night run per year (parade of lights around Christmas) we notify the police prior so we don't have any problems.

[FightingSailor]

For the people coming to Ontario this weekend, wait til you see Mike's carrier now.

Y'all get alot done at Kelly's place last weekend?

[Ghost 2501]

with all models at the same scale as well, the rules for gross tonnage would actually look right. a 1/18th speedboat giving way to a Tamiya 1/350 Iowa class BB somehow dont look quite right. I on the otherhand prefer to give way regardless of what ever i sail.

[Ghost 2501]

Not often... The problem is that most parks are closed at night (to deter gang activity) So a night run usually requires the cooperation of the local police. Mission Bay Scale RC Boaters does 1 night run per year (parade of lights around Christmas) we notify the police prior so we don't have any problems.

I think a night run would look good, vessels signalling to eachother with moorse lamps as well, especially if you really go to town and have axis v allied manouvres.

[FightingSailor]

I think a night run would look good, vessels signalling to eachother with moorse lamps as well, especially if you really go to town and have axis v allied manouvres.

I'm a little rusty on my morse and flashing light proceedures... Been studying though :) I'm a bit better w/ flaghoist, but that would be hard to pull off in RC (and no good at night) :D

[Ghost 2501]

it could be done, but you'd need some inventive ways of stacking servo winches, you'd need 8 winches though you could only have upto 8 messages and they'd have to be pre-decided because the flags glue to the line.

Im sure the US Navy has the procedures written somewhere, though codes for things l like "excecute manouvre" may have changed since ww2 due to national security protocols, though some ww2 ones may be around.

using morse would also mean that the group would have to know morse code. ok im au-fait with the radio alphabet, (alpha bravo charlie delta.... whiskey x-ray yankee zulu), but morse is beyond me.

[FightingSailor]

International Code of Signals pub 102, contains all of the unclassified signaling proceedures....
I can se how to hoist a signal, but how to answer? standard proceedure is to close up an. identical hoist (which means I have read and understood your signal).
If some super genius figures this one out I want to know about it.

[Ghost 2501]

I do plan on having a signal flag on Nord Icelandia

"keep clear of me" (flag code "Delta", though it may be "Romeo - Uniform") i think on the Port side, with the british red ensign flying off the starboard side, along with the following signal

---O-<>-O---

made from styrene section and a couple of airsoft bb's.

Gemini Miranda and Celestia should be flying "Bravo", as it is a red flag, signifying "I am carrying, taking on or discharging hazardous material", and I think nuclear waste or nuclear fuel does come under Hazmat

[FightingSailor]

I do plan on having a signal flag on Nord Icelandia

"keep clear of me" (flag code "Delta", though it may be "Romeo - Uniform") i think on the Port side, with the british red ensign flying off the starboard side, along with the following signal

---O-<>-O---

made from styrene section and a couple of airsoft bb's.

Gemini Miranda and Celestia should be flying "Bravo", as it is a red flag, signifying "I am carrying, taking on or discharging hazardous material", and I think nuclear waste or nuclear fuel does come under Hazmat

Now, you can achieve the entire signal w/ dayshapes alone. Ball diamond ball is the same as red over white over red lights. A similer dayshape signal can be hoisted on the affected side. River to International rules of the road for illustrations.

[Ghost 2501]

what is it for line-astern? as the side-scan unit is deployed over the stern?

[FightingSailor]

what is it for line-astern?

Cant remember, thats why I keep the book handy on the bridge.... :p
I can't find our copy here in the office :confused:

[Ghost 2501]

one thing I did notice at epic, with the tow line FULLY played out, Nord Icelandia's manouvrability was seriously affected, she needed more power to shove her round, and the drag of the line always wanted to pull the ship back onto its original course, proving to be fun when trying to swing the ship around to come down the return track in the tight confines of the diving box of the swimming pool.

in the shallow end, at 3ft of line, it didnt make that much of a difference.

I wander how the RV Knorr went on with argo over the titanic, thats a cable a few inches thick, with somewhere between 2 and 3 miles playing out behind the ship, going straight down to the bottom of the atlantic

[FightingSailor]

one thing I did notice at epic, with the tow line FULLY played out, Nord Icelandia's manouvrability was seriously affected, she needed more power to shove her round, and the drag of the line always wanted to pull the ship back onto its original course, proving to be fun when trying to swing the ship around to come down the return track in the tight confines of the diving box of the swimming pool.

in the shallow end, at 3ft of line, it didnt make that much of a difference.

I wander how the RV Knorr went on with argo over the titanic, thats a cable a few inches thick, with somewhere between 2 and 3 miles playing out behind the ship, going straight down to the bottom of the atlantic

The line and attached drogue ack as a "sea Anchor" which will tend to keep the ship headed up from the prevailing current (in this case the prev. current is the forward motion of the vessel). In the case of a vessel like the Knorr, they Hover over the area to maintain (as much as possible) no relative motion over the target. this is acomplished w/ thrusters and screw combinations. USN salvage vessels use an Auto pilot fed by GPS to accomplish this.

[Ghost 2501]

hovering over a target is fine as long as you know where it is, however to first find the target, even with a rough idea where it is within say 50 miles x 50 miles, to find it you will still need to mow the lawn with the side scan.

one thing i tried was to slow down, bring the tow-line in on its winch, otherwise it would have touched the bottom of the pool, turn round, then proceed om the reverse track, spooling out to keep the depth of the towfish at the desired level. (that is why in the vid the fish seems to turn on the spot)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k88qdLOZ5wM&eurl=http://uk.youtube.com/my_videos_edit2?ns=1&video_id=k88qdLOZ5wM&feature=player_embedded

[FightingSailor]

hovering over a target is fine as long as you know where it is, however to first find the target, even with a rough idea where it is within say 50 miles x 50 miles, to find it you will still need to mow the lawn with the side scan.

one thing i tried was to slow down, bring the tow-line in on its winch, otherwise it would have touched the bottom of the pool, turn round, then proceed om the reverse track, spooling out to keep the depth of the towfish at the desired level. (that is why in the vid the fish seems to turn on the spot)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k88qdLOZ5wM&eurl=http://uk.youtube.com/my_videos_edit2?ns=1&video_id=k88qdLOZ5wM&feature=player_embedded

You will notice also that the towline will run at a given depth for a given speed, with the same amount of line out.
We often trail a tail, from USN vessels (for various reasons) we have very specific tables for speed and rudder combinations to avoid parting the line and to place it at the desired depth. Cant say more ;)

[Ghost 2501]

"parting the line", as in breaking it?

normally at my lake, because it has fish in it, and the tow will act like a lure, (I know this cos its happenned, 3 ft of line out, the ship pitched up and down whilst stationary) i wont spool it very var, just so its a few inches below the surface, on a lake that has no fish in it, or a pool, then yes i will spool it till it wont go any more, or it is unsafe to spool it any further, at that point she will be pulled in to ensure that she don't snag

fully out it needs around 45 deet to turn around without having to tight of an angle when fully out. thats around 4500 feet on the full scale ship, thats just under a mile, and that doesnt include taking the density of water into factor at depths

[FightingSailor]

"parting the line", as in breaking it?

normally at my lake, because it has fish in it, and the tow will act like a lure, (I know this cos its happenned, 3 ft of line out, the ship pitched up and down whilst stationary) i wont spool it very var, just so its a few inches below the surface, on a lake that has no fish in it, or a pool, then yes i will spool it till it wont go any more, or it is unsafe to spool it any further, at that point she will be pulled in to ensure that she don't snag

fully out it needs around 45 deet to turn around without having to tight of an angle when fully out. thats around 4500 feet on the full scale ship, thats just under a mile, and that doesnt include taking the density of water into factor at depths

Looks about right, scale wise... I do tend to fall into nautical Jargon... Parting = breaking.

[Ghost 2501]

turning around in the pool at the deep end, I had just 15ft to turn in, presuming i was up at the wall, as I was often 3ft out, I had to haul it around, this would put the line at quite an angle, sometimes it jumped off the pulley and would slide to the a-frame arms.

dont worry about falling into nautical jargon.

[Ghost 2501]

later on when the season reopens, I plan on getting regular updates at westport lake as well.

[FightingSailor]

later on when the season reopens, I plan on getting regular updates at westport lake as well.

Our own British corespondent eh? Someday I will return to Britain... I want to attend the big show at Swansea, someday. :)

[Ghost 2501]

keep your eye on MMI, they have all show dates of the modelling circuit.

one idea for your tf96 regatta over in San D, I'll put it to Kurt and lee, tug towing. after all you (as a group) have a dock set up, and i think 5 tug boats assisting the USS Enterprise, or Tarawa through a course will be quite interesting.

here in the uk, tug towing is popular

[Ghost 2501]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdc_n81VmGg uk tug towing

the aim is to get through a course marked out between the bouys and dock structure without hitting them. it isnt as easy as it looks as the tow is in this case sans RC

[Ghost 2501]

also Steve, in August, if the calander is the same as last year, navy day will be back on again, whether its a club only affair like 2007 and 2008, or a national event again like previous years I dont know. either way I will let you know, and hopefully try to get pics of the event

[FightingSailor]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdc_n81VmGg uk tug towing

the aim is to get through a course marked out between the bouys and dock structure without hitting them. it isnt as easy as it looks as the tow is in this case sans RC

The inland Nautical Society in Riverside CA, has a tug towing event at their Regatta's. It is way cool to watch.

[FightingSailor]

also Steve, in August, if the calander is the same as last year, navy day will be back on again, whether its a club only affair like 2007 and 2008, or a national event again like previous years I dont know. either way I will let you know, and hopefully try to get pics of the event

I am working on getting a yearly event going here in San Diego as part of Fleet Week.

[toesup]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdc_n81VmGg uk tug towing


Yeeesh Ghost!... :eek:
Thats a tight course.. Much tighter than the INS course, the San Fransisco course, the Portland course AND the Foss (Seattle) course..

INS
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2077814
SF
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1364917
Portland
http://www.pmpba.org/craw08/crawfish08.htm
Foss
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2016996

[FightingSailor]

Wow, you got the shot of my s-33 after she exploded on the course! Way cool. By the way, she is back together and runs like a top.

[Aerominded]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdc_n81VmGg uk tug towing



Those guys are banned from ALL competition on the west coast!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

They would do too well!!! :o

[toesup]

Those guys are banned from ALL competition on the west coast!!!

I think they touched a few buoy's on the way round Aero... :p

[EMSPAUL]

Gee I wonder when they will lock off this topic.
Being that we are talking about 1/96th only.
Sure is a lot of work building ships in this scale.
Ghost great vid of the working boats.
Paul

[Ghost 2501]

Paul, I found the vid on youtube, i didnt film it, but I pulled it up to show fighting sailor what I was on about

[Squid_Vicious]

:cool: Just don't make any references to strawberries and you'll be fine... OOPS!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Aerominded]

I think they touched a few buoy's on the way round Aero... :p

Yeah, but only a few!!! :p ;)

[EMSPAUL]

Well the Caine Mutiny is coming on .
I think I need more Strawberry`s
Paul

[FightingSailor]

Well the Caine Mutiny is coming on .
I think I need more Strawberry`s
Paul
YOU ate the STRAWBERRIES, Now where is that key!

[EMSPAUL]

okay ,
I have had enough strawberry`s for one week.
Any body got O.J?

[Ghost 2501]

okay ,
I have had enough strawberry`s for one week.
Any body got O.J?

O.J's in chokey for 16 years, working for the California dept of correction i think,

[Squid_Vicious]

O.J's in chokey for 16 years, working for the California dept of correction i think,

Nope! Nevada Dept of Corrections! :D :D

[Ghost 2501]

ok, so i was 1 state out, still working in chokey though

## "working for the chain..........Gang" ###

[FightingSailor]

ok, so i was 1 state out, still working in chokey though

## "working for the chain..........Gang" ###

15 1/2 years and the Juice is Loose :D

[Cap'n Jack]

Getting back to the maneuvering...you could always teach your bunch how to use a "mo board" right?
I'm thinking back to my time on a Frigate in the Med, when a JO had the con, and Div Tacs were happening. To us "Brownshoes", it kinda looked like everyone in the battle group was hell bent for leather on running over everyone else! I felt much safer being airborne in my trusty Seahawk watching it all from above. Quite confusing, until the BMCS explained to us what the hell it was all about.
AMH2 (AW)