Hacker A60-18L?

[jijohans]

Post your setups here..:)

Thanks..

[3Deranged]

3DHS Extra 300 SHP 87". Hacker Spin 99/2 x 3DHS 6s 5350mah packs/25 x 12.5 APC or Xoar 24 x 12 e-prop. Pulls 82amps with the 25 x 12.5 APC.

[hero-cheng]

what rpm and current in APC or XOAR 24X12 ？

[3Deranged]

I'll have to pull some numbers off the Spin Box. The 24 x 12 Xoar is pulling 78amps and the 25 x 12.5 APC is pulling 82amp. I think RPM is around 6400 or so?

[jijohans]

Interesting..:) Keep thoose details coming...
Any meassuring on Mejzlik 22*12 or 22*12W?

[Fig Jam]

I'll have to pull some numbers off the Spin Box. The 24 x 12 Xoar is pulling 78amps and the 25 x 12.5 APC is pulling 82amp. I think RPM is around 6400 or so?
The Spin box is notoriously inaccurate as far as Amp draw, RPM and Watts are concerned, I'd not trust those numbers too much.

Mike

[3Deranged]

Neither do I but that's all the data I can provide right now. :o

[jfetter]

The Spin box is notoriously inaccurate as far as Amp draw, RPM and Watts are concerned, I'd not trust those numbers too much.

Mike

The Spin box doesn't measure watts and the reason most think it's innacurate is because it only measures when the throttle setting is kept the same for 4 seconds. So let's say you go full throttle for 3 seconds then 3/4 throttle for 10 seconds, when you check it on the ground, your max amps are based on the 3/4 throttle setting. Likewise the same goes for the other settings so unless you do what I do, that is make sure you do a full power upline for at least 5 or 6 seconds very early in the flight, your not seeing your max amps (capable) only your mas amps pulled for that flight, which is exactly what the Spin box was designed for, hence the 4 second rule. The WhattMeter is real time max, the Spin is in-flight max for 4 seconds or more and is very accurate...

Jack

[3Deranged]

Had a wattmeter but someone talked me out of it so the Spin Box is all I've got to measure with now. For watts all you need is amps x volts so around 3700 watts. All I know is everything comes down warm so I'm happy with it.

[ditchit]

Can you please share what your settings are through the Spinbox for the A60? e.g. timing. Thanks. I'm going to borrow my mates spinbox tonite to configure my MasterSpin 170 ESC.

[jfetter]

Can you please share what your settings are through the Spinbox for the A60? e.g. timing. Thanks. I'm going to borrow my mates spinbox tonite to configure my MasterSpin 170 ESC.

Just turn it on, select Auto and choose Outrunner and power off. Now when you turn it on again, go to Manual and find the Rotation Direction, that's all you really need to set. Not sure why you have a 170A ESC, if your planning that type of power through the A60 you'll fry it for certain...

Jack

[ditchit]

Am saving up for A80...and with the strength of the Euro against Sterling it could take me a while...cause it costs £350 now. Ridiculous.

I am running a 22x12 on my A60 at the mo (for reasons of ground clearance) and don't get the power I want on my 2.2m Yak. Need to go to a 22" or 23" 3 blade I think.

[BoneDoc]

If you need to run 22" Prop, then get the 60 14L, far cheaper option that way (and saves a pound from the nose as well).

[jijohans]

3DHS Extra 300 SHP 87". Hacker Spin 99/2 x 3DHS 6s 5350mah packs/25 x 12.5 APC or Xoar 24 x 12 e-prop. Pulls 82amps with the 25 x 12.5 APC.
Did you use it as a 12S 5350 pack? What flight times do you get?

[jijohans]

Max weight on a 3d plane with A60 motor? 8kg?

[ditchit]

Hacker recommend 7kg (15.5lb) as the max for 3D and I would agree unless you intend to push the motor significantly beyond what it is specified for.

http://www.hacker-motor.com/images/Catalog08/Hacker-2008-WEB%2018+19+20.pdf

I don't get the power I need for 3D on my slightly heavier Yak. The type of power you need for your personal style of 3D varies I guess but I like a fair degree of extra power to get me out of trouble and hold me in hover at 60%-70% throttle.

For your interest here's a graph of a static test I did this morning on 25degree timing on A60-18L/24x12 birch prop with 12S Zippy R 25C rated cells. Sure I'm going over spec but it was worth a look at that timing. I'll go back to somewhere nearer 20degrees. Packs were cold at the start and came out slightly warm after the test. Output improves as they warm up obviously. It was probably one or two degrees above freezing outside.

http://claregrace.brinkster.net/rc/A60-18L_Zippy-R_12S.jpg

[jijohans]

Thanks...I'm a bit confused in what I'm going too choose, with te A80 the plane would be even heavier...And the A60 is ligther and cheaper... With a 24*12 I should be above 3000w+

[BoneDoc]

Do not go A80 unless you're flying a 70-100cc conversion. The A60 is good to 3500-4000 watts in the hands of someone who can control their thumbs.

[ditchit]

My intention is to go to above 30% scale aero models so I've got an A80-10 on order. I've had to add quite a bit of weight to the nose of my 2.2m Yak to balance it so I'll bolt on the A80 when I get it in a couple of weeks and see where it balances out. If it does, I'll try it out.

[BoneDoc]

What model are you planning to fly?

[3Deranged]

Getting 7-8min maybe 9 if just taking it easy. 2 x 6s =12s 3DHS 5350's 25c packs. About 3700 watts Did you use it as a 12S 5350 pack? What flight times do you get?

[ditchit]

What model are you planning to fly?

Don't know at the mo. It's a few months off and it depends how much further the british pound is de-valued :mad: I'll be happy with my 2.2m Yak for a while. With my A80-10 I'll get the 250W+ per pound that I've always wanted for optimum 3D.

[BoneDoc]

Go for at least a 96" model. Personally, I'd rather put it in a 35% 100cc model instead.

[ditchit]

I'd be looking at the A100 for that size...but when you start getting into that size or the A150 I'd have to get the 200A controller to match. I've brought cars for less money. :D Will post back A80 experience and measurements from my EagleTree 150A eLogger in couple of weeks. Happy New Year.

[jijohans]

So the setupin the Krill 28% would be a A60-18L on a 24*12 mejzlik or 25*10? on (4*6S 4270mAh) 12S FP evo lite 8540mAh..:) and a Spin 99...

http://www.lipoly.de/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=303_720_721

Or should I go for a 3-blade?

[ditchit]

I think you should only consider 3 blade if you don't have the ground clearance for a 2 blade.

[jfetter]

So the setupin the Krill 28% would be a A60-18L on a 24*12 mejzlik or 25*10? on (4*6S 4270mAh) 12S FP evo lite 8540mAh..:) and a Spin 99...

http://www.lipoly.de/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=303_720_721

Or should I go for a 3-blade?

Get the A80, the A60 is out of its range @ 18lbs +. I'm not trying to get in a flame war here but it's not designed for that size or weight model, 50A for 15 seconds and 1,900 watts...

Jack

[BoneDoc]

Do you know that from experience Jack?

We've been running the A60 with 19 lb models just fine, and that's a fact.

[BoneDoc]

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=965714#post11100809

You be the judge.

[ditchit]

Does the A60-18L on 12S on a 24x12 really punch the model out of a hover? Doesn't do that with mine. Flies OK though.

[BoneDoc]

He has it on 25x12.5 on that video.

I've talked to Sean from Hacker himself, and that's his personal favorite prop. He's tried as high as 26x13 before for testing purposes. IMHO, Hacker hoses itself when it publishes such conservative numbers.

How much does your model weigh? Is it a compy?

[jijohans]

What make is that 25x12.5?

[ditchit]

Compy. I wish. Don't spit but it's a Nitro Planes 50cc Yak. 18.5lbs AUW. I can't run bigger than 24x12 due to ground clearance.

[jfetter]

Do you know that from experience Jack?

We've been running the A60 with 19 lb models just fine, and that's a fact.

I agree it will work but run the numbers yourself, if buying new and going on best choice (we can argue if the numbers mean as much as real-world experience), that wouldn't be my first or second choice...

Jack

[lazyboyflyer]

Just for a comparison to your way of thinking, that's like mounting a 150cc motor to a 35% plane. It would be over weight and fly like crap, but have stupid power to pull out of a hover. Jijohans, listen to BoneDoc, he knows what he's talking about.

[blucor basher]

I can't run bigger than 24x12 due to ground clearance.

I'd run longer gear and bigger wheels if necessary. 25x12.5 is nice. I have that on my 87" Extras now and I'm a couple hundred 3D flights in. A60-18L is great.

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Rest of the post deleted, because it's not worth it, even to joke about it. My advice : Watch videos and talk to pilots who own different systems and fly them frequently. This gets you real, verifiable information as opposed to claims and specs which may have no bearing on reality.

[ditchit]

Just for a comparison to your way of thinking, that's like mounting a 150cc motor to a 35% plane. It would be over weight and fly like crap, but have stupid power to pull out of a hover. Jijohans, listen to BoneDoc, he knows what he's talking about.

Apologies, wasn't trying to come across as an expert. Just sharing my experience, the Hacker spec/recommendation (i.e. max 15.5lb for 3D), and am looking forward to trying the A80 which I'd intend to use on a future bigger model anyway. If it doesn't fly great I'll go back to the A60.

[jfv61]

Hmmm... I've been very happy with the 24x12 but I might have to give the 25x12.5 a try.

[ditchit]

Just for a comparison to your way of thinking, that's like mounting a 150cc motor to a 35% plane. It would be over weight and fly like crap, but have stupid power to pull out of a hover. Jijohans, listen to BoneDoc, he knows what he's talking about.

Don't understand your comparison though. Think you're overcooking it. Look at the Hacker spec for the A80-10. (http://www.hacker-motor.com/images/Catalog08/Hacker-2008-WEB%2021.pdf).

http://claregrace.brinkster.net/rc/a80spec.JPG

At worst I'll be running an 80cc motor on a 30% plane. Pattern and 3D models 13 to 20 pounds it says. Sounds like the A80 will be on the money. But I'm no expert. Can read though. ;)

[blucor basher]

ditchit - This is the crux of the contuing debate. You'll find some people, me included, who have owned and flown these Hacker motors, who think the specs and recs in the Hacker literature are way, way off.

I'd personally like to see someone 3D a 13 lb. plane on a Hacker A80. That would be a hoot. It would be, and this is where Hacker has it right, approximately like someone flying a 13lb. plane on a DA-85.

Anyway, I think all of this has been laid out in excellent form by Ron Branchini (bsipro) in his series of threads about his GS aircraft. He's flying these different systems in a variety of aircraft, and he's a good guy. You might consider PMing him and asking his opinion, it's based upon solid experience.

[ditchit]

Doesn't ring a bell Blucor. Thanks...I'll look up those threads.

[Jocke]

Have you thought about the Plettenberg alternative? Terminator 900g- 5kw, Predator 25 1200g- 7,5kw, much lighter than the Hackers. For same weight as the A80 you get the Predator 30 on 1500g- 10kw!

[BoneDoc]

The thing is that the A60 can be pushed to 5kw like the Terminator, but Hacker just doesn't say so. In that case, there's no weight advantage.

[blucor basher]

I thought the Terminator was 6KW? there's a nice Termi thread HERE. (http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/fg189/24477-extreme-flight-extra-300-88-5-plettenberg-terminator.html) I'm planning on trying one soon.

[Jocke]

You dont have to "push" a Terminator to 5-6kw, it build and designed for it holding 88-89% eff on 5kw. like the Hacker on 2,6kw my guess its max for best efficiency range, but ofcorse one can push a qualety motor beyond its max much thanks to its high qualety material. like all european motor brands the specs are very conservative and "safe".

[ditchit]

769 Euro! A lot more than the Hacker A80-10 so rules it out for me.

[blucor basher]

Oh yeah, crazy expensive, but Plettis are so freaking cool.

[BoneDoc]

What are you doing up so late... or early :D.

[bluelevel]

@ ditchit

you are right, the Plettenberg motors are no real bargains, but they are super efficient and lighter than the Hackers. The A80 weighs about 1550 grams including motor mount and spinner adaptor, the Terminator is about 500 grams lighter.

Here are a few pics of my electric CARF Extra (although this forum post is German, the pics speak for themselves): click here (http://rc-network.de/forum/showthread.php?p=1146050#post1146050)

Thomas

[ditchit]

Very nice Thomas. I think I'll get a CARF Extra in the next couple of years. A good friend of mine has one but he's yet to fly it. He's waiting for the perfect day. Could be a while before that arrives in the UK.

Have any of you A60 owners changed the shaft on the motor? Specifically an 18L. Is it easy to do? I've had mine sent back to Hacker previously to get it done and I bent the shaft again today.

[BoneDoc]

What did you do to bend it? :).

[ditchit]

Prop touched the deck on landing. I'll get a 3 blade before I fly again. :(

[blucor basher]

I've done it, but I avoid it at all costs. I've procrastinated about building a fixture to hold the stator assy. When I re-install the can, the magnets are so strong, it's actually sort of dangerous. I can imagine losing the tip of a finger in there pretty easily.

3 blade? Hmm. Let us know how that goes. I suspect it will kill the vertical performance that you do have, but I'm always happy to be wrong. Any chance of trading out for a lighter plane with longer langer landing gear?

[BoneDoc]

Or go with A60 14L. With 22x8 prop you'll have plenty of vertical.

[flyinghamiltons]

I've done it, but I avoid it at all costs. I've procrastinated about building a fixture to hold the stator assy. When I re-install the can, the magnets are so strong, it's actually sort of dangerous. I can imagine losing the tip of a finger in there pretty easily.

3 blade? Hmm. Let us know how that goes. I suspect it will kill the vertical performance that you do have, but I'm always happy to be wrong. Any chance of trading out for a lighter plane with longer langer landing gear?
Ben, guess i learned that lesson a little late,, man i had no idea of those mags... i took a storm apart to see what was failing, and boy when i put it back together i was bit :eek: , and i m :confused: mean bit.. like blood filled hematoma on two fingers, i was very lucky indeed.. never again for me baby!!!

[ditchit]

Just got my A80 and I need to offset it from the firewall by a couple of inches. How is this normally done with a large outrunner? Any help appreciated. I would rather use some strong spacers than another box. The mount holes on the A80 are M6.

[jfetter]

Just got my A80 and I need to offset it from the firewall by a couple of inches. How is this normally done with a large outrunner? Any help appreciated. I would rather use some strong spacers than another box. The mount holes on the A80 are M6.

I've been using gas engine standoffs (http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=5429) for my larger motors when the size fits, anodized aluminum, very strong. You can also use these heavy duty spacers (http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=5479) if you need another 1/4" or so...

Jack

[fatcat220]

NOTE: I posted this on the 89" AJ Slick thread, but thought some of you might be interested in these numbers:

I set up my power system yesterday and ran some bench tests, with a lot of help from my friend David. My Slick power system consists of the following:

Hacker A60-18L Motor
TURNIGY Sentilon 100A HV ESC
2X Zippy 6S 5000mAh batteries (run in series as a 12S battery system)
Xoar 25X12 or APC 25X12.5E propellers

We measured system voltage and current separately using an E-Flite power meter and measured RPM using a Hobbico Tachometer. We measured the motor temperature on the last run using an infrared thermometer. These were static tests only, and the system was run sporadically for measurement purposes only.

Before collecting the final data, the ESC timing and Start Mode were adjusted. We found that when the ESC timing was set to "Low" the motor balked at full throttle. We then changed the timing to "Medium" the motor ran very well. We tested throttle response from mid to full, and stopped to full throttle, and the motor responded extremely quickly. I was very happy with the combination of the ESC and Motor. They seem to work very well together. Also, I like the optional programming card available for the Turnigy ESC. It made programming very easy and intuitive. We tried to different "Start Modes". The "Soft" mode start actually resulted in a rougher, hesitant start. The "Normal" setting resulted in a smooth, fast start.

OK, now for the results:

___Prop_________PackVolts __Amps__Watts___RPM
1. Xoar 25X12______45_______80____3600___5300
2. APC 25X25.5_____41_______91____3731___5200
3. APC 25X25.5_____45_______95____4275

Number 1 data was measured from a very fresh pack with a high start voltage. The voltage measurement was averaged from the system running about 5 seconds. Number 2 data was measured after the system had been run through several short burst from previously testing the Xoar prop. The batteries were still strong, but not "minty fresh" . Number 3 data was run on a second set of fresh batteries with a high start voltage. We also measured the "motor can" temperature after running the system for 3 minutes with a 10 second full throttle burst once every minute. The motor temperature measured 151 F.

I still need to measure the static thrust with each propeller and flying watts using my Eagle Tree, but so far I like the APC results. Assuming that the higher numbers using the APC prop are not due to inefficient prop design or excess vibration (which I didn't feel), I should be getting more thrust from the APC prop. Also, the APC's hub is narrower so it is easier to mount on the motor bolt - just another reason that the APC will likely make it on the Slick.

[ditchit]

@Jack: Thanks for the spacer info.

@fatcat: Certainly appreciate the numbers and it's good to see it works well with the Sentilon controller. Quite amazed it does considering I had the problems using that ESC with various Hyperion motors of similar size to the A60. I'd really test out some high alt hovering before you rely on it. I had a cut in one hover on a Hyperion Z50, and a near fatal takeoff when it quit at max throttle. My only concern is that Hacker state 2600W max for 15 seconds, and you're pushing 35% over that. I know everyone thinks Hacker specs are conservative but ain't that pushing a little too hard? My mates at our club already think I'm crazy but I might get committed to an asylum pushing a nice bit of kit like the A60 to that limit....might do it though if I can get hold of a APCe 25x12.5. Where you get yours? I may have to import. Thanks again.

[hornetflyer]

hey guys,

i have been using the hacker a100 and spin master 170 in my 33% h9 sukhoi for about 6 months now ( batts are 4- 6s5000 thunderpower v2 packs)
flying hard imac and Hard 3D, this combo has exceeded my expectations....even though the set up is alittle heavy for the 80cc sukhoi it handles the extra weight very well.....but now i have my eyes set on the new aj slick 540 from 3dhobby shop, ohhhhhh mama!!!!!

i would think the hacker a60-18l would run well in this airframe with 2- 6s 5000 packs to make 12s 5000 and give me great performance and 6-8 min flights maybe 10min with throttle care

anyone used the hacker a60-18l long term?????

Thanks
Paul

[3Deranged]

Check with Ben about the 18L in the Slick. I believe he posted he's been flying that setup. Watch for AEF this weekend, might even have some video-yeyah!

Jason

[sun.flyer]

.....but now i have my eyes set on the new aj slick 540 from 3dhobby shop, ohhhhhh mama!!!!!

i would think the hacker a60-18l would run well in this airframe with 2- 6s 5000 packs to make 12s 5000 and give me great performance and 6-8 min flights maybe 10min with throttle care

anyone used the hacker a60-18l long term?????

Thanks
Paul

Paul,

Yes, the Hacker A60-18L would work out well in the 89" Slick on those packs. However, if you want to fly HARD IMAC/HARD 3D you might want to look at getting larger mah packs.

A 12s 5000mah setup will probably only get you 6-7 of HARD flying. I would assume you are talking about high throttle settings when you talk about HARD flying. If so then more mah is definately going to be needed.

As well I would recommend running a APC 25 x 12.5E prop on this setup in the 89" Slick.

Tim

[lazyboyflyer]

If your going to fly IMAC, most CD's will let you land between sequences to quickly change your batteries, You will have to go to the end of the line to fly your 2nd sequence. Two 6s 5000 packs is enough for 2 quick Basic or Sportsman sequences, but any class above will probably require you to land and change batteries between sequences. Been there, done that.

[sun.flyer]

If your going to fly IMAC, most CD's will let you land between sequences to quickly change your batteries, You will have to go to the end of the line to fly your 2nd sequence. Two 6s 5000 packs is enough for 2 quick Basic or Sportsman sequences, but any class above will probably require you to land and change batteries between sequences. Been there, done that.


I have flown electric in the IMAC basic class and while you are able to land between sequences it really is quite a pain to do so especially at a larger event (but quite legal).

I don't think you could fly a full round of Sportsman on a 12s 5000mah setup (without landing) without making it look really rushed. There is quite a bit more vertical elements to it than in the basic sequence and I was nearly to the end of what my 5000mah packs could deliver when flying a full round of basic last year.

Tim

[lazyboyflyer]

I know it can be done without it looking rushed, I flew the EMAC series in San Diego in the Sportsman class. I was flying with a 12s 5000mah set up, the only rush part is entering the box and re entering the box on the 2nd sequence. And yes, your batteries are at the end of their charge, it takes about 7 minutes to fly 2 Sportsman sequences.

[ditchit]

For anyone interested in A80-10 output. Running a 24x12 birch prop. Will fly and then invest in a Mejzlik.

[ditchit]

2 full flights on a Xoar 24 x 10 electric prop. Sweet setup for my Yak. CG is exactly where I need it with the A80-10 and two 6S5000 packs in the nose. Real treat to fly. So glad I invested in this beautiful motor.

[jijohans]

Looks like it would be a A80-10 for my Krill to...How long flights did you get with 12S 5000mAh? Wonder how this motor will perform on 10S...

[ditchit]

I fly conservative time at the moment as you can see from my average amps (30A) and watts (1.1KW) but I reckone 7-8 minutes would be about right of my style flying with is reasonably conservative throttle use. Mostly pattern with occassional hovering. If you want to fly 10S I think the A80-8 is the preferred motor. A80-10 is for 12S.

[jijohans]

Ok, then it would be A80-10 on 12S and 9-10000mAh..:) and Meizlic 24x12...
The thougts on 10S was to get the A down a bit and longer flight times..
Would the spin 90 be enough for the A-80?

[ditchit]

Hmmm...depends on the prop I guess but as you can see I'm pulling just over 100A. On the A80-8 I would guess you would pull more amps.

[PORKCHOP]

Hopefully I am not "Threadjacking".

What would you guys think of this a60-18L in a 89" H9 Carden yak?

Apparently this thin comes out pretty light for it's size.

[portablevcb]

Off the wall question. Can the motor shaft be reversed for firewall mounting instead of front mounting?

charlie

[BoneDoc]

Not recommended. The motor wasn't designed for that and will not handle the gyroscopic forces.

[mr.pickle]

I just got my stuff today!! (Hacker motor,sc ect..)I will be mounting this setup to a 30% TOC/AM Yak with a projected weight of 18-19 lbs. Hopefully I can get this baby together soon!!

[jfetter]

I just got my a60-18L & Spin99 and TP 6s5000 x2 and a Bantam BC8DX today!! I will be mounting this setup to a 30% TOC/AM Yak with a projected weight of 18-19 lbs. Hopefully I can get this baby together soon!!
BUT now I am already considering electrifying my 35% Yak. It is a 107" TOC/AM 35% Yak with an estimated flying weight of 26-30 lb (depends on power setup) Would a A100 or A150 be best? I'm leaning towards the A100 because I can keep my weight down. Whadya'll think?

The A100 should be a perfect fit, espceiclaly if under 30 lbs, even @ 30 lbs that's 233 watts/lb at the rated 7000 watts, pretty hot!

Jack

[mr.pickle]

Ok finished weight on my A60-18L Hacker powered 30% Toc/SD Yak is looking to be 16.5 to 16.75 lbs.with batt's depending on which ones I use. I picked up 4 TP 6s 5000 30c and 4 flightpower 6s 4900 25c., the TP's are heavier. I bought a complete Graphtec Carbon fiber package which included the front and rear tubes, main gear, rear gear and wheelpants and I only saved 3/4 of a pound. I was expecting to save more, and I expected to save the most on the main gear but ended up hardly saving any on the main gear cause its pretty thick and taller than the orig alum. gear. But I did gain 1.5" in height and now have very little main gear flex!! That should allow me to comfortably use an APC 25x12.5" For comparison I picked up a 22x12E, a 22x12WE, a 24x12E and a 25x12.5E Now just get the radio setup install an inline switch or power cut of some sort and I should be good to go. As this is my first giant scale and I am A NOOB to anything over 3s I have a couple qustions for anyone who has the experience. I was wanting to put a switch between the power source and SC, what do you guy use on your large elec's for a switch or power interruption. Also I have got to put in some kind of anti spark. (obviously I have yet to hook up the batt's) I will start looking around here for some answers using the search bar but sure appreciate any input. Thanks guys and I really need to take it slow here to make sure all my bases are covered but can hardly wait to get this bird airborn :) Doing my first giant elec. is really giving me the rc bug again- kinda exciting!

[jfetter]

I was wanting to put a switch between the power source and SC, what do you guy use on your large elec's for a switch or power interruption.

Anti-spark is not necessary, they tell you it's normal and expected. As for a swtich, this is what I use (http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=5527) in all my planes, runing on my 12S setups without issue. If you ESC has 2 sets of inputs, use 2 of them; neat, clean and profesional looking install...

Jack

[KatManDEW]

Anti-spark is not necessary, they tell you it's normal and expected. As for a swtich, this is what I use (http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=5527) in all my planes, runing on my 12S setups without issue. If you ESC has 2 sets of inputs, use 2 of them; neat, clean and profesional looking install...

Jack

I'm a died in the wool e-tard, so I like the spark :D But my connectors don't like it... I wish more manufacturers would adopt the third anti-spark wire like the one on my Jeti 200.

Where is your Yak from mr.pickle?

[jijohans]

This is the tool..:)
http://shop.rc-electronic.com/e-vendo.php?shop=shop&SessionId=&a=article&ProdNr=A72010&t=11&c=764&p=764

[fatcat220]

FYI, I just ordered one. Its a little pricy, but I love the design and the fact that it is a safety switch and anti-spark all-in-one! Thanks again for the link.

Jim

[bigbobed]

FYI, I just ordered one. Its a little pricy, but I love the design and the fact that it is a safety switch and anti-spark all-in-one! Thanks again for the link.

Jim

Where did you order it?

Thanks,

Bob

[fatcat220]

Where did you order it?

Thanks,

BobI ordered it from the German linked site. I guess I should have checked to see if any US distributers carry the switch.

PS: I just checked to see if this switch is offered through a U.S. distributer, but I didn't find one.

[bigbobed]

I ordered it from the German linked site. I guess I should have checked to see if any US distributers carry the switch.

PS: I just checked to see if this switch is offered through a U.S. distributer, but I didn't find one.

Here's a guy that carries some of their stuff and can order anything he doesn't stock.
http://www.hkm-models.com/Emcotec.html

[mrdakota]

Thanks for find that one for us.
Looks to be added to the web site now and I'm going to have to order a couple.
Again, Thanks.
Keith

[cjdscratch]

I am in the process of setting up my CC 110HV ESC for my A60-18L and am looking for advice. I will be running a 25x12.5 APC prop with 2 6s Zippy 20c 5000mah packs. This is going in my 3DHS 89" Slick. What settings are you guys using on your ESC's? Start Power? Throttle responce? PWM rate? Thanks

[BoneDoc]

From stock setup

low advance timing
soft start
throttle response (mid)

I personally disable LVC. Use the timer instead. I'd rather sacrifice the batteries than loose the airframe.

[cjdscratch]

How do you disable the LVC. The only option I see is Custom and set it to 4v.

By soft start to you mean (Low) motor start power?

[BoneDoc]

yep, 4V

low start, yep.

[cjdscratch]

Thanks Doc

[cjdscratch]

Ok was testing my setup today and everytime I get to about half throttle the motor sqeels and power is reduced. Any Idea's? Seems like a timing issue. I am using the recomended settings that Bonedoc suggested above.

[feathermerchant]

Try reducing your throttle response one notch.
Personally I'd use a smaller prop so as not to exceed 90A.
Flame suit on.

[Jeffery]

Flame suit on.

Not near the suit you'd need if you told him how to avoid it altogether ;)

[cjdscratch]

Ben from 3DHS told me I should pull 82amps with this prop? Also I just read that the latest firmware might be the problem. Should I be using the V1.55 firmware?

Thanks

[cjdscratch]

Not near the suit you'd need if you told him how to avoid it altogether ;)


I don't get it? Inside joke?

[feathermerchant]

No notme. Just you. BTW Ihave Neu too.

[Jeffery]

No notme. Just you. BTW Ihave Neu too.

I never mentioned a brand. Take a look at the date I joined this site, I had just got home from the last TOC in 2002. What I saw there was Team HACKER just killing it with 3D electrics. They were running C50XL Actro Hacker inrunners, never had a single sync problem. Since then I have developed a decided dislike for that brand, but not the style that was being used at the 2002 TOC*

The solution ain't a brand, it's a style.


* The brand you mention only started business in 2002 They were not represented at the 2002 TOC ;)

[carbonexpress]

Problem solved with V1.55 firmware. 85amps 3700 watts :D

Thanks

[feathermerchant]

carbon - Good catch. I forgot to mention firmware.

[cjdscratch]

Problem solved with firmware... :)

Feathermerchant,

Thanks for shipping those power supplies for me today.