Anybody Waiting for the Outrage 550?

[jamesppp]

After changing my mind a time or two on what the next occupant of the hanger is going to be, I have decided to get an Outrage 550. It is ...supposed ... to be on the shelf in less than 2 weeks. We will see.

I had decided to get a Logo 600, probably flybarless. I dropped that down to a 550. I love the videos of the guys that do the smooooth style of flying using Logos. Ut is obvious that the plastic parts work even at high headspeeds..it just seems like some of the cost savings realized by making all of the parts out of plastic should be passed on to the end user.

Anyway, the decision has been made and unless production dates get moved up considerably, Im getting an Outrage 550 next. I have a couple of Outrage 4200mah packs on the way for it and am going to use a CC HV 85 ESC, most likely Hyperion coreless motor servos. IO havent decided if Im going to tackle learning how to set up another brand of gyro yet. I had to learn how to on a JR 7703D recently and I really like it with the blazing fast 8900G servo. If I try something that I dont have experience with it will be the Spartan 760 and probably with the JR 8900 servo. Ill probably get another Scorpion 4020-1100 motor for it or use my spare Z-Power 30 which is what all of the prototypes are being flown with

If anyone else plans to get one of these helis I would like to hear what components you are palanning to use with it. The rear mounted motor and thru the frame battery mounting is what sold me on them. My Raptor motor uaes this setup and it is so easy to set the pinion mesh or remove the motor. Also it is in the wind which keeps the motor cool and happy.

Jimmy

[byHISgrace]

I'm looking at the 550 also. My Trex600e is killing my lipo's and I'd like to transfer all of my gear across. I asked on HF and Charlie said that my NEU 1515 won't work, kinda' bummed me out, my head is spinning trying to figure out how to get the motor to work. Matt

[jamesppp]

I'm looking at the 550 also. My Trex600e is killing my lipo's and I'd like to transfer all of my gear across. I asked on HF and Charlie said that my NEU 1515 won't work, kinda' bummed me out, my head is spinning trying to figure out how to get the motor to work. Matt



Doesnt the Neu 1515 only come in higher kv ratings? It looks like the 1515 2y or 3D would work. What model do you have

Since the Outrage has a higher tooth count on the main gear , something like 140t, I believe 1300 or so kv will be about the max

I may be wrong about the main gear at 140t but that is what sticks in my head. The specs for this bird are scattered about here and there.

The good thing is the Z-Power or Scorpion motors that will work well with this heli are cheap. I just bought a 4020 for my Swift for less than 100 delivered

Jimmy


EDIT: One of the factory fliers is using the Neu 1407 1/y and says he loves that motor on this heli,

[Greybird]

Any pictures, or specs of the 550?

[F1 Rocket]

There's not much info other than what's on HeliDirect's site. We will be adding the G550 to our website as soon as it's available. The Outrage gang had a bunch of them at the Mulberry fun fly and they looked and performed great.

Danny
Esprit Model

[jamesppp]

There's not much info other than what's on HeliDirect's site. We will be adding the G550 to our website as soon as it's available. The Outrage gang had a bunch of them at the Mulberry fun fly and they looked and performed great.

Danny
Esprit Model

Im glad to hear that you are going to sell them. Kits and parts close by is a good thing.

Jimmy

[SMITHB]

Guys the RREmodels crew had a chance to put many flights on the New 550's @ the Mulberry Funfly and we are very happy what Charlie and his Team have came up with

We will be posting a lot of setup info here (http://www.rremodels.com/helisetups.aspx)

We will be posting 6s to 8s setups for this machine
along with Blade choice

RRemodels being the biggest Outrage dealer in the South East we will be starting preorders in the next few days

kits will be in the U.S the first week of December

Feel free to Email me @ bobby@rremodels.com for more info

Bsmith

[jamesppp]

I like the 120 or 140 degree swash. Great design

[sneu]

Doesnt the Neu 1515 only come in higher kv ratings? It looks like the 1515 2y or 3D would work. What model do you have

EDIT: One of the factory fliers is using the Neu 1407 1/y and says he loves that motor on this heli,

I think that the 1704 motor is the right motor number. What is the target Kv for this heli? We are just starting to make the 17 series available.

Steve

[battlercon]

I think that the 1704 motor is the right motor number. What is the target Kv for this heli? We are just starting to make the 17 series available.

Steve


Target KV is 1100-1400 kv also Steve sent you a PM


Charley

[JustPlaneChris]

Anyway, the decision has been made and unless production dates get moved up considerably, Im getting an Outrage 550 next.Jimmy, I got to spend quite a bit of time drooling on the 550 at the Southern Rotary Classic, chatting with Charley about the design, and watching Henry Caldwell beat the snot out of one with his aggressive flying style. It is definitely one sweet machine!

I hope to get Charley back on the InsideHeli podcast once the 550 hits the streets so he can tell everyone about it. In fact, maybe we can get Henry on at the same time! Now that would be a fun show. :cool:

And who knows, maybe James or I will end up with one of them to review. ;)

-Chris

[RMG2]

James, you know from seeing my replies on the HF Outrage 550 thread that I am interested in it!

A few months ago I told you I was buying a Swift but I just never did feel really right about it with all the reports of missing parts etc. Next I thought I was gonna buy a Raptor e620 but then I started reading about the Outrage 550 and decided to wait a while and see what it's all about!

At this moment (I reserve the right to change my mind :) ) I have my choices narrowed down to either a Compass 600e or the soon-to-be-released Outrage 550???

If I was a rich playboy like you I would just buy one of each but sadly I'm just a middle class workin' stiff! :p

[SMITHB]

Rmg2
The 550 will be the machine to have

Bsmith

[Philpops]

I should have one soon to put through its paces. If its anything like the G5, it will rock!
Should be a good size aswell, looking forward to it.

[jamesppp]

James, you know from seeing my replies on the HF Outrage 550 thread that I am interested in it!

A few months ago I told you I was buying a Swift but I just never did feel really right about it with all the reports of missing parts etc. Next I thought I was gonna buy a Raptor e620 but then I started reading about the Outrage 550 and decided to wait a while and see what it's all about!

At this moment (I reserve the right to change my mind :) ) I have my choices narrowed down to either a Compass 600e or the soon-to-be-released Outrage 550???

If I was a rich playboy like you I would just buy one of each but sadly I'm just a middle class workin' stiff! :p


Hmm, rich playboy, well that is the first time Ive ever been called that for sure..but hey, id like try that on for a weekend.
With 2 kids in college and still married to my very first wife, I am about as far from a rich playboy as the come :D .

All of the Outrage 550 flying videos that I have seen so far have been continuous, hard flying. Ill never be able be able to to put one through one flight worth of that kind of stress in the lifetime of the heli...if I keep it from any unplanned sudden stops..into the ground.In other words, if it can survive a few packs with H C at the sticks, Ill never wear it out. On the other hand, it looks to be capable of the smooth and graceful flight that attracted me to the Logo's in the first place.

I just really like the proven Raptor-like bones of this ship with all of state of the art mechanics added in.

BTW, I still feel like the Swift 16 is the best bang for the buck out there. The only problems that I have personally seen in a kit is a spindle shaft with an off center bore in one end. Ill never regret buying a Swift as my first CP heli last March.If you need a 30 size heli on a budget...it sure works well..and with every heli you are going to hear about problems much more than you will hear about those flying with no issues.

OK, Im ready for the Outrage 550...I need a good winter project ;)

Jimmy

[laughingstill]

Winter? What's that :D

[Greybird]

That is when our weather gets REALLY nice......

[Cloud Cruiser]

If I was a rich playboy like you I would just buy one of each but sadly I'm just a middle class workin' stiff! :p


LOL, Jimmy, sounds like he's been to your house!! ;)


Robert

[JustPlaneChris]

On the other hand, it looks to be capable of the smooth and graceful flight that attracted me to the Logo's in the first place.It is, Jimmy. I convinced HC to fly it like that just for me up at SRC. Of course, everyone thought there was something wrong with him after the flight. :rolleyes:

-Chris

[jamesppp]

It is, Jimmy. I convinced HC to fly it like that just for me up at SRC. Of course, everyone thought there was something wrong with him after the flight. :rolleyes:

-Chris


I would love to see a video of that.

[JustPlaneChris]

Yeah, I don't think anybody was videoing that flight. It was late Saturday, just at sunset and was really (really) cool. You'll just have to take my word for it. :)

-Chris

[SMITHB]

Ok guys here is pricing

Outrage 550 CF Pro Kit: Retail $499.
Outrage 550 Silver Pro Kit: Retail $460.
Outrage 550 G10 Pro Kit: Retail $430.

[jamesppp]

Looks good to me

Kits becoming available first week of December sample pricing below.
Outrage 550 CF Pro Kit: Retail $499.
Outrage 550 Silver Pro Kit: Retail $460.
Outrage 550 G10 Pro Kit: Retail $430.
These Pro kits feature anodized CNC head, tail, bell cranks, and a
delrin main gear.



Coming in the near future
Outrage 550 CF LXE Kit: Retail $399.
Outrage 550 Silver LXE Kit: Retail $370.
Outrage 550 G10 LXE Kit: Retail $349.
These LXE Kits features an 80% CNC Head with plastic mixer arms,
plastic tail system, plastic bell cranks, and a injection mould main

[RMG2]

Hmm, rich playboy, well that is the first time Ive ever been called that for sure..but hey, id like try that on for a weekend.
With 2 kids in college and still married to my very first wife, I am about as far from a rich playboy as the come :D .

Jimmy

James, an attempt at sarcastic humor my friend. It's a local thing, sorry if ya didn't get that like I intended. :p

James & Chris I'm with you guys about the flying style comments. I sure wish the 3D guys would bless us average folk with video containing more circuits and smooth well executed aerobatics as well as the hard core 3D when they are showing us capabilities of new helis and such. I sure appreciate the skill those guys have but most of us will never fly like that. I think most folks would love to see at least a little video of the new heli flying more average flight patterns. :)

[RMG2]

Rmg2
The 550 will be the machine to have

Bsmith

Mr. Smith, thank you for your opinion. I know you sell both Compasss and Outrage and have flown both. For you to give the nod toward the Outrage is valuable information.

[SMITHB]

James, an attempt at sarcastic humor my friend. It's a local thing, sorry if ya didn't get that like I intended. :p

James & Chris I'm with you guys about the flying style comments. I sure wish the 3D guys would bless us average folk with video containing more circuits and smooth well executed aerobatics as well as the hard core 3D when they are showing us capabilities of new helis and such. I sure appreciate the skill those guys have but most of us will never fly like that. I think most folks would love to see at least a little video of the new heli flying more average flight patterns. :)


Hey we could do that no problem @ all what would kind of maneuvers wold you prefer to see?

[jamesppp]

James, an attempt at sarcastic humor my friend. It's a local thing, sorry if ya didn't get that like I intended. :p

James & Chris I'm with you guys about the flying style comments. I sure wish the 3D guys would bless us average folk with video containing more circuits and smooth well executed aerobatics as well as the hard core 3D when they are showing us capabilities of new helis and such. I sure appreciate the skill those guys have but most of us will never fly like that. I think most folks would love to see at least a little video of the new heli flying more average flight patterns. :)



RMG2, I really thought you were kidding :D Come by the P Boy mansion, I mean house anytime and we will do some flying or fishing or both.

Im sure not rich, never had that curse. I just have to deal with these rugged good looks. It is just my cross to bear.

Im ready for my new heli, I cant help it if the baby needs new shoes.

[JustPlaneChris]

Hey we could do that no problem @ all what would kind of maneuvers wold you prefer to see?
Bobby, here's a few examples of my typical day at the field with various toys.

-Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWjKWWlbbdE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NfFeik3VQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STM2Jc2kSu4

[RMG2]

Hey we could do that no problem @ all what would kind of maneuvers wold you prefer to see?

Honestly, the blend of flying Bob White does in his vids. is the most enjoyable for me to watch. I suppose maybe it's because I know that's a level I will achieve (70% there now), or perhaps I just like seeing big sweeping passes??? Heck I don't know, I just like watching a blend of fluid controlled flight, controlled basic aerobatics maneuvers, and some hardcore 3D but not 100% video of any just one. :) But hey, that's just me and what I like. :p

[SMITHB]

Hey that is some nice stuff there Chris

Rmg2 like this (http://www.rremodels.com/media/logo_ircha.wmv)

[JustPlaneChris]

Hey that is some nice stuff there Chris

Rmg2 like this (http://www.rremodels.com/media/logo_ircha.wmv)
Thanks Bobby! Dang, I wish I could fly like you do with that Logo. Maybe someday.

-Chris

[Ping]

The pricing wasn't as aggressive as I had hoped. The Logo 500 is priced nearly the same.

I guess it will come down to parts pricing for me. I'm still leaning Logo at this point.

[RMG2]

Hey that is some nice stuff there Chris

Rmg2 like this (http://www.rremodels.com/media/logo_ircha.wmv)

Show-off! :D

I'm sure you long time and talented pilots get bored pretty quickly with the basic aerobatic stuff us average, or newer flyers find challenging. I understand the progression. :)

[JustPlaneChris]

The pricing wasn't as aggressive as I had hoped. The Logo 500 is priced nearly the same.Apples to grapefruit comparison, since the Logo is all plastic. Granted it's good plastic, but still plastic. And spare parts prices are like a hot poker in the eye for the Logos. :rolleyes:

-Chris

[jamesppp]

I too feel that is there is much more margin in the Logo. It may not be on the retailers end but it falls into the supply chain somewhere.

Considering that the price is a few dollars less than than the CY Rave and the difference between the 550 and the Beam makes it sound like a better deal to me...As long as the production parts are up to par with the prototype machines.

We will know soon enough

Specs


Length: 1077mm
Height: 344mm
Main Rotor Diameter: 1250mm
Tail Rotor Diameter: 228.8mm
Blade Length: 550-575mm
Tail Blade Length: 82-95mm
Main Gear 140T 0.7 Mod gear
Auto Rotation 42t
Tail rotor ratio: 4.66:1
Approximate flying weight: 6.5lbs depending on equipment used.



Beautify crafted CNC anodized part
120 Degree CCPM Servo layout for precision control
140 Degree CCPM Servo layout (Optional)
Light weight compact frame design for extreme 3D fight
Rigid motor mount and middle bearing design for Extreme Power Systems
New 3rd bearing design for motor shaft support
Large battery tray opening for various battery shapes and sizes
15 Degrees +/- achievable pitch ranges
Fully programmable head design that can be set From Mild to Wild
Thrust bearings on Main and Tail Blade Grips
One piece 3D dampers
Ball raced double pivot tail control system
High quality tail rotor drive belt
Fiberglass painted canopy.

[Ping]

Apples to grapefruit comparison, since the Logo is all plastic. Granted it's good plastic, but still plastic. And spare parts prices are like a hot poker in the eye for the Logos. :rolleyes:

-Chris

Yea I know it's a hard comparison to make on construction. However I think most people would agree that the Logo 500 and 600 are at the top of their class in flight performance. That is where the comparison needs to be made.

If Mikado drastically cut it's parts prices I have no doubts they would dominate the E-heli market.

[CatchmyCorsair]

Wow, that Logo on 8s was impressive!! I've never seen such a fast power loop! W-O-W!
I'd imagine it's gonna be hard to beat the Logo on performance.
They are both 500mm machines, why can't they be compared?! :confused:

[JustPlaneChris]

Wow, that Logo on 8s was impressive!! I've never seen such a fast power loop! W-O-W!
I'd imagine it's gonna be hard to beat the Logo on performance.
They are both 500mm machines, why can't they be compared?! :confused:They can be compared, but it's not really fair to ding the Outrage on price compared to the Logo since one is all CNC and the other is all plastic.

As for the performance, based on the flights I've seen the Outrage on 6S gives up very little (if anything) to that 8S Logo. Believe me, it's a rocketship. :cool: And I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before someone goes HV with an Outrage and jacks it up on 8S (or more). :eek: :D

-Chris

[jamesppp]

Is there any structural difference in the CF frame material and the silver stuff??? What is the difference?

The 4025 in a 550 heli is going to have a ton of power as evident in that Logo. Im going with the 4020 in mine

[JustPlaneChris]

Is there any structural difference in the CF frame material and the silver stuff???
Jimmy, the silver stuff is silver fiberglass. It's NOT CF (carbon fiber) which is always (always always) black in color. In other words, the only advantage it has over G10 is 'bling baby' ;)

-Chris

[jamesppp]

Jimmy, the silver stuff is silver fiberglass. It's NOT CF (carbon fiber) which is always (always always) black in color. In other words, the only advantage it has over G10 is 'bling baby' ;)

-Chris

Thanks, so would you definitly go with the CF version????

[SMITHB]

Chris
AWW man all it takes is just going out and flying 3 to 4 times a week and any body can fly like that

Rmg2 Actually the basic smooth stuff can be very different to us flying 3d i really like it with My Mikados. I always seem to put the best flights down with my 500

Since Mikado decided to chop off the there dealers in the US i haven't been flying them

But in all Honesty when i got to put all the flights on Charlies 550 @ Mulberry FF i was back in that Zone that i had when i use to fly my L 500
And that was with a flybar and he was only using 8417 servos on 6 volts @ 2250 hs

I ran my 500 with 8717's on 8volts flybarless and 2400 for HS

That Video was the last crazy setup i did with a Scorpion motor in a logo

Iam doing the same setup in my OR550 and aim thinking it will be very close to my Flybarless L500 only running a Flybar

Bsmith

[SMITHB]

Also i might add

Their will parts coming with the OR kits

Parts will not be a issue

and it will be packaged like Align
2x booms
2x main shaft
2x spindles

[jamesppp]

What blades will work well for decent endurance and sport flying?

Jimmy

[SMITHB]

Good sport flying i would do the 550 Rototechs

[laughingstill]

This heli take full size servos? Anyone know where I can see some high resolution pics?

[Ping]

Full size servos. A page through the manual will tell you a lot, I haven't seen this heli in person or any high res shots yet. The manual did fill in a lot of missing info for me.

[SMITHB]

Yes full servos check out the manual here (http://www.rremodels.com/outrage550cfprokit.aspx)

[rcdaddy]

more details

http://www.outragerc.com/home/detail.php?module=product&type=product&iPro=255

[Ping]

I'm not really a fan of the stock gyro location, pretty much adjacent to the ESC. A gyro mounting location should have been provided at the front of the heli.

[SMITHB]

I was thinking same thing until i set there for about 10 minutes and held it in my hand and looked it over

The Design is very nice and straight forward

[battlercon]

I'm not really a fan of the stock gyro location, pretty much adjacent to the ESC. A gyro mounting location should have been provided at the front of the heli.

There are 2 Gyro mountin locations refer to Page 7 and 18 in manual

I myself use Option 2 with a Spartan 760

[jamesppp]

Apples to grapefruit comparison, since the Logo is all plastic. Granted it's good plastic, but still plastic. And spare parts prices are like a hot poker in the eye for the Logos.:

-Chris


I must have missed the Logo parts price analogy yesterday.
I got a kick out of that :eek:

[Ping]

There are 2 Gyro mountin locations refer to Page 7 and 18 in manual

I myself use Option 2 with a Spartan 760

I must of missed it the first read through. Are both locations perpendicular to the mainshaft?

[JustPlaneChris]

Are both locations perpendicular to the mainshaft?They do appear to be, from the drawings. I don't think Charley would recommend a location for gyro mounting if it wasn't.
-Chris

[Big Fil]

I like the Outrage 550 and I hope and believe it will do very well. Probably won't be selling off my Logo 500 to get one but I will definately be recommending it to friends who often ask advice. Hopefully Outrage will have good pricing on the spares.

I really think this 550mm size class is a great size and rocks on semi-resonably priced packs as oppoesed to 600mm sized birds which really need 10S to blow your socks off. Outrage is well positioned to dominate this size class from a market share standpoint.

[jamesppp]

INOSO the manual is excellent. All hardware is clearly illustrated. It clarifies the setup differences in Futaba and JR radio gear and covers setup very well. It is even better than the manual to my little JR heli.

It looks like enough thought was put into the manual for a first time builder to successfully build the heli and make it easy on you pros.

Good Job

[SMITHB]

INOSO the manual is excellent. All hardware is clearly illustrated. It clarifies the setup differences in Futaba and JR radio gear and covers setup very well. It is even better than the manual to my little JR heli.

It looks like enough thought was put into the manual for a first time builder to successfully build the heli and make it easy on you pros.

Good Job

I Agree

As i said above when you really sit down and look @ the design in your hands it is very nice a lot of thought went into the Design

[jamesppp]

I have almost all of the components in hand except for the cyclic servos and I have them ordered.

CC HV 85 ESC

CS HV BEC...May go with battery and V reg instead

Spartan 760 w/ 9254 servo + program cable

I will initially be flying this thing with 5S packs. Ill be using the 1390kv Scorpion 4025 so I can get enough headspeed and since I cant fly fly very good at this stage anyway, they will be fine for a while. I have plenty of 5S packs but have 2 new Outrage 5S packs coming...I wish I was good enough to need the 6S packs now. If needed I can put the 4025-1100 in I have and use a bigger pinion if that will give me more flight time. The 140t main gear gives lots of gearing options. I like that. Ill just have to live with my sissy 5S setup for a while.

I dont have any good 550 carbon blades The one pair of Heli-Max 530 carbons I have sucked when I tried them on my Swift.

With a good set of blades I should be good to go unless Im forgetting something important. Ill need another Futaba Faast rx but can pull one off a FP heli for now.

Looks like all Im missing is the kit....Bring it on.

Jimmy

[TomC]

Jimmy,

Depending on the size of your 5s packs (I have lots of 5s-3700 packs myself, run them as 5s, 10s, and 15s) you may be better to look at going 10s (2x5s in series) with a ~800kv motor to start with (and a 10s esc if you do not already have one). Things will run a lot cooler and you'll get nice long runtimes. Just a thought mate.

Bobby,

Looks like a great 550 E-heli. Looking at the manual, I'm not sure how useful their 3rd motor bearing support is going to be. It basically looks like it is part of the motor mounting plate with a bearing in it that ends up directly above the motor bearing and below the pinion. All other 3rd bearing supports that I'm aware of sit above the pinion and main gear to take a bit of load off the motor bearings/shaft and to help stop the pinion from jerking into the main gear under heavy loading/unloading.

Also, Bobby, is there enough room for 10s Outrage (2x5s) 3700 packs, and can you still CG it ok? Thanks mate.

Cheers,
TomC

[jamesppp]

Tom,

I use my 5S,3700, 4000 to 4200 mah packs in series in my E-620 Raptor also. I fly my 6lb Swift(AUW) now with a Scorpion 4020-1100 and it has plenty of pop for me..course Im not a good pilot yet. :D Hopefully, I will be allright for a while and will go with 6S later if possible

It sounds like the Outrage may need the 6S packs to balance..If so the 6S packs will come sooner..i guess


BTW, the 3rd bearing on the Swift is on the bottom of the shaft.

[TomC]

Tom,

BTW, the 3rd bearing on the Swift is on the bottom of the shaft.


Jimmy,

I actually meant the motor shaft, not the main shaft. Sorry if this was a bit confusing.

Cheers,
TomC

[SMITHB]

Tom yes i noticed the 3rd bearing support as well i was kinda thinking the Same thing

As for the 2x5s packs the frames are 70mmwide i would almost think you could add some washers and widen the lower frame a bit

[TomC]

Tom yes i noticed the 3rd bearing support as well i was kinda thinking the Same thing

As for the packs the frames are 70mmwide i would almost think you could add some washers and widen the lower frame a bit

Bobby,

How about if you string the 2x5s 3700 outrage packs end to end? Is there enough room to do this and still CG the heli ok? Thanks.

Cheers,
TomC

[Ping]

the frames are 70mmwide

That is good news for anyone wanting to run A123. A flat pack is roughly 68mm wide. 10S a123 will probably be a good match for this airframe.

[SMITHB]

I don't think it would Balance Tom

[JustPlaneChris]

That is good news for anyone wanting to run A123. A flat pack is roughly 68mm wide. 10S a123 will probably be a good match for this airframe.It would be very close, assuming that 70mm is the inside dimension. I think I got a different figure when I asked earlier in the development (same idea as you, Ping!) but maybe the frames got wider. I'd sure love to be able to just drop my 10S A123 Swift power system into an Outrage 550. :D

-Chris

[jamesppp]

It would be very close, assuming that 70mm is the inside dimension. I think I got a different figure when I asked earlier in the development (same idea as you, Ping!) but maybe the frames got wider. I'd sure love to be able to just drop my 10S A123 Swift power system into an Outrage 550. :D

-Chris

Chris, you did get a different dimension. How wide are your standard configuration 10S packs? I dont remember that number either. It seems the frames were 2mm too narrow

[TomC]

I don't think it would Balance Tom

Bobby,

If you get a chance mate, please try to actually fit outrage 2x5s3700 packs on this heli and let me know for sure. I think I have read somewhere that the long outrage 8s3700 pack fits/balances ok. Many thanks.

Cheers,
TomC

[battlercon]

This is inside battery specs

70mm inside width
49mm tall in back
55mm in front
Total depth 200mm

[TomC]

This is inside battery specs

70mm inside width
49mm tall in back
55mm in front
Total depth 200mm

Thanks for the info battlercon. I measure my outrage 5s3700 packs to be, HxWxL ~ 37x43x140mm, so with a bit of overhang on both ends, 2 of these should fit ok end-to-end. If the frames were ~4-5mm wider you could fit both of them together sideways. Like Bobby said, you could add spacers to the frames to widen them a bit, but I kind of think that 4-5mm might be a bit much?

It would be great to hear from anyone who has actually tried to fit these 5s3700 packs in. I've got a heap of these 5s3700 packs so it's kind of important that I know for sure that I'd be able to use them in this heli. Many thanks.

Cheers,
TomC

[laughingstill]

Thanks for the info battlercon. I measure my outrage 5s3700 packs to be, HxWxL ~ 37x43x140mm, so with a bit of overhang on both ends, 2 of these should fit ok end-to-end. If the frames were ~4-5mm wider you could fit both of them together sideways. Like Bobby said, you could add spacers to the frames to widen them a bit, but I kind of think that 4-5mm might be a bit much?

It would be great to hear from anyone who has actually tried to fit these 5s3700 packs in. I've got a heap of these 5s3700 packs so it's kind of important that I know for sure that I'd be able to use them in this heli. Many thanks.

Cheers,
TomC
You trying to go 10s on a 550 sized heli or you want to do 5s2P???

[TomC]

You trying to go 10s on a 550 sized heli or you want to do 5s2P???

Ron,

I'd like to go 10s (2x5s3700's in series). With 550mm blades I don't think the extra loading should be a problem (only ~250g more than the 6s5000 packs that a lot of guys use on 550mm Logo 500's) and it should give nice long (~10 min) runtimes. Also, higher voltage always = cooler, more eff. imop.

I'd probably match it up with a Tango 45-08 (800kv) motor and Jazz 55-10-32 esc. A 10-11t 0.7 mod pinion (w/140t main gear?) should be about right.

What do ya think?

Cheers,
TomC

[RMG2]

I've been looking at specs. for various 4S 4000mah, 25C and based on the battery tray dimensions looks like many 4S batts. will fit on edge and side-by-side in the tray for an 8S setup. :)

[SMITHB]

4s4200 will fit as well

Tom will do as soon as i got one in my Hands i can give it a try and give you the best way to go

[misskimo]

will Im in , trade in the " no customer service " logo 500 and be happy

[laughingstill]

Ron,

I'd like to go 10s (2x5s3700's in series). With 550mm blades I don't think the extra loading should be a problem (only ~250g more than the 6s5000 packs that a lot of guys use on 550mm Logo 500's) and it should give nice long (~10 min) runtimes. Also, higher voltage always = cooler, more eff. imop.

I'd probably match it up with a Tango 45-08 (800kv) motor and Jazz 55-10-32 esc. A 10-11t 0.7 mod pinion (w/140t main gear?) should be about right.

What do ya think?

Cheers,
TomC
That should be a pretty insane setup :) Please post vids if possible!

[jamesppp]

That stplaying around using only27 amps :D hould be a pretty insane setup :) Please post vids if possible!


Ron, dont you think that 10S setup would work great. An 11t pinion would give you a headspeed of 2100 with the 800kv motor setup. Swinging 560mm blades and you could get decent flight times on the 3700mah packs only pulling 27 amps per 1000watts of power.

[laughingstill]

Ron, dont you think that 10S setup would work great. An 11t pinion would give you a headspeed of 2100 with the 800kv motor setup. Swinging 560mm blades and you could get decent flight times on the 3700mah packs only pulling 27 amps per 1000watts of power.
Yes I do but my only worry is that you would get enough disc loading out of the 550mm blades to warrant the extra weight. It will have CRAZY power though :D ......Ron

[laughingstill]

BTW James the Swift 550 Carbon will be here next Wed (UPOS.....I mean UPS is SLOW!!!) I already have the Gohbee 550mm blades, 92mm Radix tails as well as all the other electronics here. I just need the kit!

[misskimo]

Ron , theres a big difference when you HV a heli! look at my Joker 3DD , it weighes 11 1/2 lbs , and acts like a 9 lb machine with the tail having its on motor. HV is almost like that , Where you notice it will be in the cyclic. if it dont bog , your cyclic is very crisp, with the low voltage high RPM like the trex 600 , first roll is kinda fast , second roll it starts giving out .
10s with some 3300 30 C ProPower would be GREAT!

[jamesppp]

BTW James the Swift 550 Carbon will be here next Wed (UPOS.....I mean UPS is SLOW!!!) I already have the Gohbee 550mm blades, 92mm Radix tails as well as all the other electronics here. I just need the kit!



I forgot about the gohbee blades. Where did you get them. You will have to extend the vertical fin for those tail blades wont you. Ive dug a few trenches with my 90's :D

Ron, one of the recommended packs for the Outrage 550 is the OR 6S 6000. The 5000 is suggested as a minimum for CG but they added the 4200 as an absolute minimum.

Toms 3700mah packs weigh only maybe 150g more than the 6000, maybe less than that so it should work good.

A Scorpion 4025 -740 or 890kv would haul it around like a feather. Im not familiar with his motor choice but my experience is so limited. with that motor and 10S 3700 on my heavy Raptor i can putz for 5.5 minutes

[JustPlaneChris]

This is inside battery specs

70mm inside width
49mm tall in back
55mm in front
Total depth 200mmThanks! My 10S A123 packs are 65-70mm wide (the wire makes it a bit wider in some areas, but that can be moved), 55mm tall and 130mm long. It will be a very close fit, but maybe some washers between frame and spacers would give enough wiggle room. CG should work, since my A123 packs weigh 775g, which is only 30g more than the Outrage 6S 5000 lipo.

My Swift motor is a Neu 1910/1.5Y (680kv) so it looks like I'd need a 16T pinion for proper headspeed with the 550's 140T main gear. Hmm.... maybe I need to get a higher KV motor. Or go to 12 cells. :cool:

-Chris

[laughingstill]

I forgot about the gohbee blades. Where did you get them. You will have to extend the vertical fin for those tail blades wont you. Ive dug a few trenches with my 90's :D

I got them from RREModels (Bobby Smith)......great guy to deal with. I had the 92mm om my previous Swift without an extended tail but I had to be CAREFUL :eek: Maybe I will extend this one....hmmmmm...........Ron

[SMITHB]

I have flown Both 740-890 on 8s and they make a ton of power

I use the 740 geared @ 8.7 in My 600mm Knight 3d on 8s and power is insane

I can only imagine what kind of power either motor will make in the 550 on 8s

[RMG2]

I have flown Both 740-890 on 8s and they make a ton of power

I use the 740 geared @ 8.7 in My 600mm Knight 3d on 8s and power is insane

I can only imagine what kind of power either motor will make in the 550 on 8s

My own thoughts about this was to go 8s with a 4020-910. Put's the pinion choices right in the middle for recommended headspeed with 11,12,13 from mild to wild!

Each to their own of course. :)


If you are planning on flying a Scorpion you will have to use a special spacer/shim for the motor to work with the supplied bearing support block?

Haven't read any post about this yet so didn't know if folks have picked-up on this info. yet???

Bottom of page.
http://www.outragerc.com/home/detail.php?type=product&iPro=256

[jamesppp]

Parts Prices are very reasonable:

http://outragerc.com/home/type.php?module=product&iCat=48

[SMITHB]

Prices are really good

The bearing support for the Scorpion is different then for the other motors

Tom 10s 3300 flight power Brick fits no problem wiht about 6 mm on each side

The 4020-910 might make a real good choice on 8s as well

Bobby

[jamesppp]

Is the motor bearing support block that differs when using Scorpion motors the actual bearing in the aluminum motr mount or is it the Bearing Washer Flange that fits the mounting plate that the bearing sits in?

SmithB,

This part isnt anything like the support that you posted pics for in Chachins T-700 thread is it?

Im lost on this part. I cant a description.


Shipping day is getting close!

[SMITHB]

Is the motor bearing support block that differs when using Scorpion motors the actual bearing in the aluminum motr mount or is it the Bearing Washer Flange that fits the mounting plate that the bearing sits in?

SmithB,

This part isnt anything like the support that you posted pics for in Chachins T-700 thread is it?

Im lost on this part. I cant a description.


Shipping day is getting close!

Yes that is the third bearing support

No it is nothing like the one i made for the 700E

Man i got to ask WHO is excited!!!! i cannot wait!!!

[jamesppp]

It is kind of funny that as poorly as I fly in comparison to almost every video I have watched of people that know what they are doing, that I even want another helicopter model.

I get a lot of enjoyment out of my hobbies whether I am all that good at it of not.
It brings back a little the anticipation that felt as a kid around Christmas.

Yeah, Im excited!

[SMITHB]

Blade choices we have

Sab Red Devils 550's
Rotor tech 550's
Rotor tech 560's
Swe 550's CF
Swe 550 GF
Gohbee 550's

[jamesppp]

Bobby,

are the purple amd white blades that came with my Beam made by SWE? The set that cqame with my kit required no balancing at all and are a good fit for me.

[SMITHB]

Yes those are the Swe blades

[jamesppp]

Wow, Heli Direct says they already sold out all of thier first order stock.

Anybody looking might check with Esprit models or RRemodels

[SMITHB]

Blades are moving Quick as well

[jamesppp]

I wonder if the 3rd bearing adapter that is required when using Scorpion motors will be available when the kits ship out???

Anybody know???

[SMITHB]

Yes

Parts are suppose to be here as well so you can build it and crash it :eek: :)

[henryecaldwell]

You guys are going to love this heli. I suggest the NEU 1907H 1Y . If you want
power and flight time..Whether you run 2000 to 2600 headspeed this motor rocks!

[OICU812]

What pinion are you running with the 1907 motor Henry? Also curious on what ESC yu might be running with it?