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Michael Heer
Nov 09, 2008, 07:51 AM
!Introduction

| spec2
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| @CSS-27.jpg:Cyber Surfer
|> <b>Length:</b> |< 15"
|> <b>Width:</b> |< 7"
|> <b>Height:</b> |< 8.75"
|> <b>Weight:</b> |< 4.7 oz
|> <b>Transmitter:</b> |< 2 Channel on 27 MHz
|> <b>Battery:</b> |< 9-volt for transmitter
|> <b>Motor:</b> |< Twin brushed motors
|> <b>Fan Unit:</b> |< 2 horizontal fan units
|> <b>ESC:</b> |< unknown
|> <b>Manufacturer:</b> |< <a href=http://www.Thinkgeek.com>ThinkGeek</a>
|> <b>Available From:</b> |< <a href=http://www.Thinkgeek.com/geektoys/rc/a4f0>ThinkGeek</a>
|> <b>Price:</b> |< $ 79.99

I was intrigued by this Surfer when I first saw him at ThinkGeek, but I resisted buying him until the current sale (he’s currently on sale for $49.99). I purchased him as a Christmas present for one of my adult sons and then gave in to the desire to try him out and do a review!

!Kit Contents

*Included Items:
*Fully assembled Cyber Surfer on Spaceboard
*Wall charger for Spaceboard
*Transmitter on 27 MHz
*Instruction sheet
*Two sets of spare propeller blades

@CCS2-1.jpg:The Cyber Surfer on his Spaceboard, the transmitter and the wall charger
@CCS2-3.jpg:The instruction manual

*Item I supplied:
*9-volt battery for transmitter

!Assembly

I installed a new 9-volt alkaline battery into the transmitter and plugged the wall charger into the Spaceboard and the wall. Charging time for a depleted battery is about 50 minutes but the initial charge took only about 20 minutes. The instructions recommend charging only when the battery is fully discharged and you are unable to fly. A full charge will take about 70 minutes, and flight time is listed as 5-10 minutes (I consistently get over nine minutes).

!Flying

!!Basics

The transmitter has two sticks. The left stick is the throttle and allows the spaceboard to climb and hover. The right stick controls movement to the right and left. The Cyber Surfer moves forward when side movement or turning is initiated. I thought it was supposed to always be flying forward on its own from the ad but the instructions cleared that up. Balance is maintained in flight by using the trim dial and a built in accelerometer.

Although this is a radio controlled craft instead of infrared control it is an inside vehicle; it is too large and light to fly outdoors in anything but absolute calm.

@CSS-14.jpg:The transmitter with two sticks for controlling the Spaceboard

There is one trim dial for left and right, and it was necessary for me to adjust this once to get the two motors in balance. Once that was accomplished I didn't need to adjust the trim dial again.

@CCS2-2.jpg:Here I am pointing at the trim dial that I only needed to adjust once.

!!Taking Off and Landing

Takeoffs proved to be very easy with quick upper left stick. Getting a couple of inches off the ground quickly proved to be important for best flying. Slowly powering up sometimes caused the Surfer and spaceboard to tip over to one side or the other. Trying to stay just above the floor also proved troublesome and could lead to early tip overs. However, with a quick lift off and about 3 inches or more of elevation I had no problems with ground effect or early tip over.

Landings were best obtained from a still hover position and moving the throttle down slowly and steadily. Attempts for rapid landings would often cause the surfer to tumble and slow. For hand landings it is best to grab catch the center platform and not the rim around the blades.

!!Aerobatics/Special Flight Performance

I found it best to fly a minimum of 3 inches off the ground to avoid ground effect that could cause my surfer to tumble. I found I could move to the surfer's left with full left stick movement and maintain control but smaller movements were more controllable. I found full right stick movements if held for longer then a moment would move him that direction very fast and get him tipped in that direction and would often lead to a tumble and fall. Small stick movements to the right were no problem. Short full movements were exciting, and I could control them as long as I kept the movements short.

My surfer did not initially move forward but rather hovered in place with just left stick movement to bring him up into a hover. I found I could move him about in a more or less controlled fashion using the left and right directional controls to induce some turning and then movement when he was lined up where I wanted him by moving to the left or the right. As stated in the instruction manual, forward movement is slow and comes when using a turning movement.

There were no aerobatics, but I found simply steering him around the room was enough of a challenge. Mine would be operating really nicely, and he would suddenly tumble and fall at times for no discernible reason. I would have flights without a problem, and other times he seemed to want to tumble every twenty-thirty seconds. I have put together a Blooper tape to show some of these falls. Perhaps most amazing is that despite these falls my cyber surfer and his spaceboard have remained in like new condition.

For a cool effect fly it in a room with open space at night with the lights off.

@CSS-08.jpg:LEDs allow for lights out night flying.

!!Is This For a Beginner?

Yes! It hovers very easily and can be operated by someone who has never flown before. Practice will improve the ability to control the spaceboard in flight, and as with many RC craft, controlled flight is best obtained with small movements.

!!Flight Video/Photo Gallery

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+CyberSurfer.wmv:The Cyber Surfer riding his Spaceboard, pilot Michael Heer, camerman Dick Andersen.
+CyberBloopers.wmv:Not all flights are perfect as seen in this blooper/crash video.

!Conclusion

I had fun doing this quick review of the Cyber Surfer. Mine was not rock solid in the air, but I didn't expect him to be. Overall the control of the flight was actually better than I expected but the sudden tumbling may mean I had an accelerometer with a glitch or air currents I didn't notice.

The real determination of success will be if my former skateboarding adult son finds it interesting when he opens the package on Christmas day!

If you want something different or always wanted to be McFly in "Back to the Future," then you might want to try this surfer!

*Pluses:
*Except for a 9-volt battery came with everything needed to operate
*Recharges from the wall and not from the transmitter
*Was larger then I expected
*Hovers very well and balance trim dial only needed to be adjusted once
*On sale!

*Minuses:
*Mine tumbled for no apparent reason at times

PiperCub49
Nov 09, 2008, 12:33 PM
Looks like a blast!

tend2it
Nov 09, 2008, 12:39 PM
Cool ... thanks for the review ... I was wondering about this the minute I saw it on ThinkGeek ...
:rolleyes:
--Eric--

TimAZ
Nov 09, 2008, 06:15 PM
Can it be flown without the standing man, or is he needed for flight?

MTboy
Nov 09, 2008, 06:27 PM
Looks interesting for a gift. Son may love it. Thanks for the review and I may just have to look into one..

DT56
Nov 09, 2008, 08:23 PM
Can it be flown without the standing man, or is he needed for flight?

Someone's gonna hang the man underneath the craft and will probably gain a lot of stability.

verticalpilot
Nov 09, 2008, 08:44 PM
Great review!!

Video and pics really help! And interesting find too.
Thanks! :)

Swift
Nov 09, 2008, 08:57 PM
I fly with my left foot forward, will I have a problem ;-)

flazo
Nov 09, 2008, 10:14 PM
This is the upadated VElox from 3dsh...:)

fred

Michael Heer
Nov 09, 2008, 10:57 PM
Dear Timaz:
He came attached to the board and it is still going to be a present. It is repackaged and wrapped. I don't know if he can be removed or not. Mike

RCBABBEL
Nov 10, 2008, 01:12 PM
Michael,

Once again, Appreciate the candid review!

rc :)


TG Cyber Surfer link...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=918390

Jurgen Heilig
Nov 11, 2008, 03:43 AM
I may have been tempted to buy this toy to see how it works with just 2 rotors, but after watching the video, I would rather buy another Kyosho/Hype 2.4GHz Robocopter - especially when they are on sale for just over approx. $25.-

Thanks for the review!

:) Jürgen

BowerR64
Nov 11, 2008, 04:58 AM
It needs to be green with the goblin on it. :D

carguy1994ca
Nov 18, 2008, 12:28 PM
It doesn't seem to be very controllable. hope your son doesn't see the review before Christmas :D

Carguy

Heli Hacker
Nov 20, 2008, 09:00 PM
So nobody is making mods to this one yet?

Michael Heer
Nov 22, 2008, 01:43 PM
It would be cool in green with a Goblin but then Spiderman would want a bunch of bucks for it as well. Don't think there is much of a risk of my son seeing this before Christmas unless one of his friends who is into RC tells him. I think he'll have fun with it if he can keep it away from the lead singer in their band. Jay likes RC so much i have something for him as well. Mike

RCvertt
Dec 07, 2008, 09:43 PM
Just a couple images of the guts. The surfer guy is just a support for the antenna that is taped up along it's back and doesn't appear to effect the flight performance if removed. It also still flys when naked. Plan to put some vanes under this thing for four channel controll.

HeliFanatic
Jan 06, 2009, 03:28 AM
It takes skill to fly this thing. I bought one and like it even though I broke the figure's head, wait, and ankles. Thank goodness for epoxy. I had great flights in the gym. All that room, was helpful. Hovering and not making quick turns when the surfer was moving forward fast resulted in a good flight. Of course I had tumbles and crashes which was due to quick release of the throttle. I'm going to purchase another cyber surfer. I like this thing.

HeliFanatic
Jan 14, 2009, 08:19 PM
I had the cyber surfer flying for over 5 minutes; maybe longer. I landed it and wanted to fly it again. This time only one rotor worked. Took it apart and thought I could fix it. It doesn't work. I'm ordering another one; maybe two. It is the toy everyone wants to see fly. I like it.

Snuffleupagus
Jan 16, 2009, 02:42 PM
Thanks for the great reviews everyone! I am considering getting one for myself.

Quick question: in the videos, he seems to be flying backwards quite a bit. Do any of you find this to be the case?

Snuffleupagus
Jan 22, 2009, 12:28 PM
Hi guys,

I went ahead and ordered this from Thinkgeek and received it yesterday. I very disappointed with it so far.

I plugged it in for over 2 hours last night before attempting my first flight. The surfer never flew more than about 3 inches from the hard wood floor.

Also, the right side is stronger than the left. I had to adjust the trim nearly all the way just to get it to balance somewhat. I couldn't fly high enough to see how well I was doing the balancing. When it tipped, it would make contact with the ground and become grounded. I eventually ran out of power without ever getting the thing to fly decently.

I did a thorough visual inspection of what can be seen from the outside but found nothing wrong. It was getting late so I decided to plug it back in its charger. It's going to charge all day while I am at work. I'll make another attempt at flight again when I get home tonight.

Do you guys have any suggestions on what I try to look for or try to do to get this surfer off the ground?


Thanks

HeliFanatic
Jan 29, 2009, 09:42 PM
Check out this link to see the Cybersurfer first flight and Cybersurfer Woes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pHvYvniJFI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v64b13-8VBw

Regardless how challenging it is to fly (for me that is), it's my favorite flying rc. Enjoy!

tend2it
Jan 29, 2009, 10:35 PM
Check out this link to see the Cybersurfer first flight and Cybersurfer Woes

Regardless how challenging it is to fly (for me that is), it's my favorite flying rc. Enjoy!
WOW ... HeliFanatic ... this thing is much more stable and controllable then we were lead to believe ... Nice flying! ... :p ... might have to get one of those too. Did you do any mods to get that performance?
:rolleyes:
--Eric--

HeliFanatic
Jan 30, 2009, 08:25 PM
Eric,

All I did was made sure it was trimmed. When you are flying and it starts to want to dip give it some throttle till it's stable. Then slowly bring it down using the controls. It seems that turning left seems to keep it in the air longer. Turning right moves it forward but be careful it my go out of control and tumble. I've broke the little figure at the ankles and torso. I used white glue. So far, I haven't had it tumble. It's only because I know what to do now. This is my second Cybersurfer. I like flying this thing. Thank you.

RCvertt
Jan 30, 2009, 09:14 PM
Snuffleupagus- It should definately perform better than what you are discribing. Sounds like you got a defective one that needs to be sent back for a replacement.

Snuffleupagus
Feb 02, 2009, 01:18 PM
Hi, everyone.

I have tried two more times to fly my cybersurfer. It never flew as well as in HeliFanatic's video. Those are great videos, btw, HeliFanatic. Thank you for sharing them.

At one point, the surfer rose to about a foot off the ground. It never stabilized enough to actually fly "up". It would shoot off to the left. It seems the right prop is much stronger. I have tried to adjust the trim but had to turn the knob nearly all the way. What is interesting is that there is a point near the end where the left side would all of a sudden become stronger than the right. It's a big jump. It is hard to tell whether it is in the controller or in the electronics of the flier.

At this point, I do not know if I can return it to Thinkgeek. Unfortunately, I broke a propeller blade during my last attempt to fly. The flier skimmed the floor at about 3 inches, dipped, and performed a spectacular tumble, flipping over several times. The propeller blade must have made contact with the floor and broke. I will give them a call to see what my options are.

I may have to just order a new one and consider this one as a loss.

Thanks again, everyone.

mnfiero
Feb 02, 2009, 02:11 PM
My $0.02 on the CyberSurfer...

Mine threw about as well as the above video, but since I only few it in the living room the lack of control was quite noticeable. It's fun for a "toy", but not everything it could be.

You need to be careful when flying the Cybersurfer not to flip it. As others have observed, if you throttle down then back up again quickly, the craft will invert. This flight orientation will tend to give your CyberSurfer a huge headache or in my case a severed torso.

Another issue I had was how loud it was, the thing howls. It drove my family from the room.

Don't get me wrong, I would not discourage anyone from buying one. I may buy another one myself.

I purchased the CyberSurfer fully intending to "improve" it. I'm in the process of upgrading it now. Step one is to replace the electronics (ESC, Receive, HH Gyro & V-tail Mix) and motors (brushless), making it function relatively the same. Next I'm converting it into a tri-copter to add yaw and pitch control. The resulting craft will be similar to the Command and Conquer Orca or the Unreal Manta in appearance.

I have the brushless motors installed and have it test fit with counter-rotating pair of GWS three blade props.

With the small amount of testing have have done a few things are clear:
- The GWS three blade props provide more than enough power, but the craft greatly benefits from the fly bar stabilization.
- The Park 250's are a huge power improvement.
- The BCX2 upper head fits right on the motor shaft, which with modifications seemed to be a great upgraded solution. After a test fit with some cut down BCX2 blade, I don't think that set up as is will provide enough thrust. I may look at this further if turning back to the original heads does not yield favorable results.


I'll start a new thread with updates...

HeliFanatic
Feb 05, 2009, 05:59 PM
I'm not immune to crashes. Yesterday, the right hand broke off and by the ankles. This new cybersurfer makes a funny noise before it's going to crash. Also the propeller flew off; ping!! I put it back on and it's fine. I need to super glue it. What a disaster if at 50 feet high, the propeller flies off. I still like this thing. Oh it flew great without the surfer. Crashes for me occur at 3 to 4 feet high especially when I want to move it. Of course it could just be my unit.

I received an email from an AOK rep about the cybersufer. They are going to have an upgrade on their version 2 cybersurfer 2010. Not sure what will be upgraded. They like my video. I suggested they change the cybersurfer to the green goblin.

Wish I could update my cybersurfer. It's ok, I'll just buy another one if this one breaks.

metroidrc
Feb 06, 2009, 09:54 PM
yeah that cybersurfer is sooooooooo loud and its impossible to control. defniitely needs to be completely changed.

mnfiero
Feb 06, 2009, 10:31 PM
If anyone has a cybersurfer they want to get rid of let me know. Mildly crash is ok too.

I would like an extra for parts.

metroidrc
Feb 06, 2009, 10:53 PM
yes I want to get rid of mine, the surfer dude broke in half, everything else is perfect.

HeliFanatic
Feb 10, 2009, 09:17 AM
i took mine a part because one motor doesn't work. was thinking of having a friend fix it. if your surfer is tilting to the left or right, compensate and level it out using the left or right control. the surfer flew better and never crashed. oh, a small draft present affects the flight and even lose control; even crash. i don't go to a gym to fly the surfer although if there is a gym available, it is always preferred.

HeliFanatic
Feb 10, 2009, 09:37 AM
I purchased the CyberSurfer fully intending to "improve" it. I'm in the process of upgrading it now. Step one is to replace the electronics (ESC, Receive, HH Gyro & V-tail Mix) and motors (brushless), making it function relatively the same. Next I'm converting it into a tri-copter to add yaw and pitch control. The resulting craft will be similar to the Command and Conquer Orca or the Unreal Manta in appearance.

I have the brushless motors installed and have it test fit with counter-rotating pair of GWS three blade props.

With the small amount of testing have have done a few things are clear:
- The GWS three blade props provide more than enough power, but the craft greatly benefits from the fly bar stabilization.
- The Park 250's are a huge power improvement.
- The BCX2 upper head fits right on the motor shaft, which with modifications seemed to be a great upgraded solution. After a test fit with some cut down BCX2 blade, I don't think that set up as is will provide enough thrust. I may look at this further if turning back to the original heads does not yield favorable results.


I'll start a new thread with updates...[/QUOTE]



looking at your pictures. can't wait to see your mods. wish i had talent like you to modify my surfer. it will fly better with the new motors and upgrades. terrific.

mnfiero
Feb 10, 2009, 11:12 AM
looking at your pictures. can't wait to see your mods. wish i had talent like you to modify my surfer. it will fly better with the new motors and upgrades. terrific.

I have made minor progress, but have had some issues along the way.

Where I'm at right now is I have the 5030x3 props mounted with a roll gyro in place. After some tests I would say it might even fly, if there was any kind of pitch stabilization. (or roll stabilization depending how you look at it.)

The issues I have had:

I created a new aluminum hub for the original blade setup. Unfortunately there were a couple of "problems". :o There was a large amount of vibrations, which also happens with the GWS blades, just not as much. I then had an "incident"... The prop nut came loose and the original head unit became free to decide it's own flight path. I was too busy trying to get out of the way to see were it went, so I spent the next half hour looking for it. When I found it the fly bar piece was broke in half. :( I had the same issue with the 250's prop hub as well. :rolleyes: I took the motor shafts to the drill press and notched them. Problem Solved!

Now I need a new head unit for the the original Surfer if I have any hope of it flying in it's original configuration. Not the end of the world, but kind of a bummer.

Anyone out there want to sell their Surfer cheap. I need parts.

There also is a slight issue of clearance with the original head unit blades and the supports, but I think I can adjust for that.

The thing I'm concerned with right now is the vibration. The current mounting may not be solid enough to hold things steady. I'm working on it.


The other way I could get some pitch control is to vector the fans. The center support actually is free to roll, once its free from the outside supports. Then just cut the ducts free of the body, cut the center support in half, add a couple of servos and gyro... It's just that easy! :rolleyes: ;)


I'll post updates when I have more.

VTOLicious
Mar 01, 2009, 12:03 PM
Hey, just found this thread. Nice Toy. This is my "Cyber Surfer" (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11092828#post11092828)

Was´nt very sucessfull making it stable. I think a high CG and large distance to the control vanes is the key.

Regards Michael

HeliFanatic
Mar 30, 2009, 01:10 AM
This is no way for the beginner. The demo on ThinkGeeks doesn't show the full flight. I have flown it like the demo only to have it fly crazy and crash. It's a challenge to fly. No way is this for the beginner. I fly it well but still crash unexpectedly at times. Yet it's my favorite device to fly.