Knight 600e Build Thread?

[Kawasaki297]

Who wants to see a build thread on the Knight 600? Any interest?

There must be someone out there that has one? I think if we sweet talk him he may be convinced!

[High speed pass]

I am very interested in this heli and would love to see someone do a build thread on it.

Greg

[gpach]

I see the pot stirrer is having fun (this means you Kawasaki :D )

I will get started on this hopefully with some pictures tomorrow night of what all came in the box and a bit of a start on the assembly. I am looking forward to building this one as its very simple looking and should go together fast.

Thanks for the nudge RB

[RMG2]

I am very interested in the Compass 600e! Currently at the top of my list for next heli since the Swift kits are coming with so many problems and missing parts lately! :(

[JustPlaneChris]

I got to fly a Knight 600E over the weekend, and I was gobsmacked. :eek: It is a fantastic machine. If you guys are ready to buy, you won't find a better deal than this:

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=98045

If I hadn't bought a Knight 3D (nitro) from the 2nd poster in that thread 2 days prior, I'd be all over that! :rolleyes:

-Chris

[p4ddy]

I got to fly a Knight 600E over the weekend, and I was gobsmacked. :eek: It is a fantastic machine. If you guys are ready to buy, you won't find a better deal than this:

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=98045

If I hadn't bought a Knight 3D (nitro) from the 2nd poster in that thread 2 days prior, I'd be all over that! :rolleyes:

-Chris



I'm SERIOUSLY considering this to be my next & probably my last heli purchase next year (after i'm married). Checkout finless's build & video & he likes very much!.



BTW glad it has the JPC seal of approval ;) :p

[JustPlaneChris]

BTW glad it has the JPC seal of approval ;) :pHeh, yeah like that carries any weight! :p :rolleyes:

-Chris

[gpach]

I got to fly a Knight 600E over the weekend, and I was gobsmacked. :eek: It is a fantastic machine. If you guys are ready to buy, you won't find a better deal than this:

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=98045

If I hadn't bought a Knight 3D (nitro) from the 2nd poster in that thread 2 days prior, I'd be all over that! :rolleyes:

-Chris

Chris, I saw that one come up a couple days ago and thought what a good deal. Allthough I enjoy building them, time is in short supply lately.

[p4ddy]

I'm assuming your all refering to the 8s set up

[JustPlaneChris]

Definitely! IMO, 6S is not enough voltage for a 600mm heli. It draws too many amps, and packs die too fast. 8S is better, but 10S would be even nicer. :cool:

-Chris

[p4ddy]

& that makes you wonder why they market them as 6s?? when they know it's not enough.

[JustPlaneChris]

Compass offers both an 8S and a 6S version. I think "they" is Align, and there has been much speculation as to why the Trex 600 was (and is still) offered only as a 6S setup. I have no answers. :)

-Chris

[p4ddy]

I knew they offered a 6s version (how many will that sell??) yep "Align", Thats one reason the Knight is a much better buy, No ditching the pointless motor for an upgrade.

[gpach]

As I will have a HV ESC in the heli I was poking around trying to determine what motor I would need to go to 10 or even 12S. It seems that the pinion size and motor fixing locations are fixed. I guess one could always slot the mounting holes to allow some variation in pinions.

After a bit I came to the realization that with my flying ability, 8S should keep me occupied for a while.

[JustPlaneChris]

Oh, the 8S Knight has monstrous power, so that's not really the issue. It's just that higher voltage means less heat, lower current draw and happier components. Still the 8S Knight setup is a vast improvement over the 6S configuration of the Trex 600e. I think you'll like it! :)

-Chris

[jameotron]

I'm jealous. I'd love to have a go at throwing one around. And an MSH Protos. Damn you Chris - you are my nemesis!

[JustPlaneChris]

My name is Kitty Montoya. You stole my Heli dreams. Prepare to die.ROFLOL!!! That, my friend, is hilarious. (And a great movie!)

-Chris

[p4ddy]

soo funny :D

[gpach]

OK, takes me a while to get everything caught up.

Like kawasaki, I took a bunch of pictures of all the bits that came in the box. I was very lucky as mine came with servos, RX, ESC, BEC etc :D

[gpach]

There is not a lot of building required in the 600E. The head is assembled although you need to take apart and locktite the bolts into the feathering shaft. I checked numerous bolts into the frame and every one that required locktite had it from the factory.

I had my seven year old daughter pose with the heli for a size reference. Allthough I have a G550 that is close in size as far as blades go this heli is just a lot bigger overall.

[gpach]

I got sidetracked by work and didnt get a lot done throughout last week. I got a lot of help from Kawasaki on Saturday getting the rest of the heli completed, tested and a brief maiden hover.

Truth be told, I think he just wanted to make sure I put it together correctly and there were no excuses for it not to fly well. Regardless, we got it together just as it was getting dark.

[gpach]

As can be seen in the pictures the paint job was FANTASTIC, but being a perfectionist I didnt like the fact that it was peeling so I took the time to scrap it all off. After removing the paint I cut out the window and installed the smoked windscreen that came in the kit.

The heli with the red canopy is a G550

[gpach]

The first test hover that night was brief and the heli seemed to have a very high head speed and not a lot of collective pop. When the collective ranges were checked they were approx -11 to +8. After this I set the heli up for +- 11 degrees with around 8 degrees cyclic. I downloaded and updated the firmware in the CC ESC and this must have messed up the fixed endpoints that were previously set in the ESC. When I took it out for a test today, the esc would not initialize without being in TH and the headspeed was a lot lower than the first flight. As well, the heli wanted to spool up with the TH off and the throttle at zero stick. Some setup issues with the CC ESC remain.

The blades on it now are 620mm versus the original 600mm.
I hovered around for 5:20 seconds approx and used 2100 mah out of the batteries. This was confirmed on the charger where one took back 2140 the other 2050 mah. With an increased headspeed and properly set up ESC I think the knight will be a great 600. I did some 3/4 stick punch outs at the end of the flight and the machine had a lot of lift even at 1700 rpm.

There remains as slight vibration in the head that I need to track down as well as getting the idle up curves sorted out.

[Kawasaki297]

Are those pink blades on that heli? :eek: :D

[gpach]

Are those pink blades on that heli? :eek: :D

NO THOSE ARENT.......They are magenta as confirmed by my wife. :mad:

[Kawasaki297]

Nice consistent headspeed by the way! Like a rock. We'll have to see how it does through flips and rolls.......

[misskimo]

hey, about the motor, Actro or ( Frank makes and winds the stators,) China makes the rest. I have one my buddy HC gave me in SC in June. He sure can spank it

[Tradhunt]

The 600E is a great heli. I got the 6s version a while back... ya its just 6s but it puts the (other 6s heli) to shame.

I do plan on buying a 8s and going flybarless... I'll update more on that prodject over the next few weeks...

[High speed pass]

This thread has died. Is no one buying or flying the Knight?
I still want to get the Knight 600E. But I having second thoughts because of the lack of interest this Heli has on the forums.
It looking like the Outrage 550 is the way to go, but I really want a heli that swings 600 size blades and I am not interested in the T-rex.

Greg

[Tradhunt]

Hey Greg,
You won't be disapointed with the Knight 600E its a very smooth fast heli.

I still haven't bought a 8s version yet as I'm having a lot of fun with the 6s... Even with 6s it still has loads of power I haven't bogged it yet not like the other brand when you try a punch out the H.S. drops bad. I have about 5- 6s packs so I just went with that version. Eather way I really dought you will be disappointed.

[JustPlaneChris]

I am super-impressed with my nitro Knight, and still have my eye on an E model. Maybe after Christmas.... :D

-Chris

[gpach]

I think we are all still around its just the season up here is in hold with the low temperatures (-25C).

I had some problems with tail kicks and recently grounded the boom but have not had a chance to get out and test the results short of a 3 min hiver out in the driveway.

looking forward to a break in the weather to get the 600e out in the snow. :D

[Tradhunt]

Wow... Too cold.
Love the K3D though I need to do an engine rebuilt on one of my K3D's since I fried it.

The 600E is a very durable heli I was pretty surprised the first time I crashed mine. I've put it in a few times along with my K3D's and their pretty strong.

The last little heli. to ground meeting was the 600e. Messing around with a buddy trying to play how low can you go. I was doing some loops and rolls. But when I came out of one of the loops the blade hit a clod of dirt I didn't see and well the heli and ground had a meeting. Nothing big just blades, flybar, boom, and boom supports.

[gpach]

Sounds like fun tradhunt. We dont have to encourage crashing as I seem to always put one in every third outing but we like to clip the high growing weeds at the field.

It looks like we are stuck in this cold weather into the new year so the helis are parked. I may get the 200 rebuilt and flying around the house but thats it.

[Tradhunt]

Wow that sucks... At least you have someting to fly around. I've been mainly flying my Atom since I need to get my 600mm blade stock built up again. The last crash did the last of my blades in.

Oh we dont encourage it as well but it was just a fun thing and something different. I'm at about the 1 every 3rd outting as well. my heli.'s and the ground seem to have a very strong and understanding relationship.

[High speed pass]

Thanks for the response guys,
I think I will give Bobby a call at RREmodels after Christmas and order the Knight. I don't need the heli right now, it's winter here, I just want it in front of me to look at. I will then take the rest of the winter to come up with the components for it. I will probably put a Scorpion motor and Castle Creations ESC in it.

Greg

[gpach]

Tradehunt, wish you could fly with us as it would take the crash pressure off me. I think I have seen kawasaki put one of his in (G550) once all season. So far this year I have put the 450 in 3 times and just for a change the G200 last outing. I seem to have a real problem with getting the little ones out beyond my ability to see orientation. (thats my excuse and I am sticking to it)

So far I have not crashed any of my 425mm, 550mm or 600mm machines. I tend to be more conservative with them.

High speed,
What motor are you thinking of putting into the 600e. Are you planning on running 8,10 or 12S. I have CC 85HVESC on both mine and could bump up the battery but its a matter of getting the right motor KV for a 10 tooth pinion on the motor.

[High speed pass]

I am thinking the 4025-740 with 8 cell.

[gpach]

If you are planning on running 8S, why dont you just get the package with the motor and ESC (8S motor). Its a 760 or 750 KV. I have it in mine. I dont really know what the power of it is but its max current is 75 amps. On 8S that would be 2.25 KW. This is slightly more power than the scorpion motor you mentioned (max 70 amps).

[High speed pass]

I have thought about getting the package deal that comes with the motor.
I guess I just want to try a Scorpion motor. I think this is the motor that Bobby from RREmodels has in his Knight.

[Wren1702]

I have thought about getting the package deal that comes with the motor.
I guess I just want to try a Scorpion motor. I think this is the motor that Bobby from RREmodels has in his Knight.

That 4025-890 will have great power on 8S. You'll be happy with it.

[Kawasaki297]

One thing to be careful of is that you can't adjust the gear mesh on this heli. The motor is fixed in position and it has a bearing block on the tip of the pinion. So it is designed to work with the 10 tooth pinion only.
You could probably modify so you can adjust the motor for different pinions but it would require frame mods.

Gpach, what is the headspeed range you get with the stock motor?

[DVS1]

Try to contact Bobby Smith at RRE models, he has several knight E's he brings to fun fly's with him. I also think he has a modified one with a scorpion motor and a flybarless system installed.

[gpach]

Kawaski, the distall bearing support is a problem as well as a bennefit. If you are going with different motors you have to watch the KV and or slot the frame.

As it stands, you can pretty much change motors/battery voltage and still find a scorpion motor that gets you in the proper rpm range. They have them in 500KV on up.

As far as my rpm range I am set to run at just under 2100 RPM and have room above this.

[Tradhunt]

The stock package will work out great. Stock 8s is a 760.. I beleive Bobby's using a Scorpion 4025-740 with a CC 85HV with great results.