Swift Agusta A109 Build log

[Spidious]

I have decided to do a build log on my Swift/Agusta A109

So to start with I will have a pilot. Got it on Fleabay for 1 penny !

Got some scale guages coming also, from this site

I know a couple of you out there have them. Is there room to put a front interior into it ?
If so have you done it yet ? Pictures..

I just got my two servos today for the retracts ! Will put a slow module in front of them so they are not so darn fast ! Had fun just having them sit on the floor and watching them move in unison, with a Y connector.

It seems the fuselages are all sold out till the end of October............ :(

[Spidious]

Actually won it on fleabay for 1¢ !
Time to dig out the paint sprayer and repaint it ?

[Gadget01]

You are in violation of posting a thread in the WRONG subforum!!! This violates the sanctity and purity of the "Electric Heli Talk" forum and the Terms of Service as I see them. You are also in violation of the "should not create more than your fair share of new threads" guideline, however fictional that may be.

Refer to the Scale Helis forum: http://www.rcgroups.com/scale-helicopters-43/

Your punishment is to clean the bug guts from main rotor blades and grass stains from tail blades from everyone who reads this post for the next 30 days. Limit 10 sets of blades per person.


:D

[Spidious]

Yeah I know. If everybody would not be in this one.... ;)

I have asked for it to be moved over...

[Greybird]

Spidi, Why not keep 1 thread here on the Coast Gaurd heli? Update it with other Swift stuff to keep from violating any rules. I want to build one of these, any never look at the scale area. PM me when you find these in stock.

[Spidious]

I have been told that one place will have them back in stock near the end of October. My money will be built up for at least that much. Then the aluminum tail assembly. Already have the two servos for the retracts.
Also the servo slower, so they won't retract so darn fast...

Will change the title to Swift A109 build ?

If the moderators want to move this over to scale they can. But you guys will have to start visiting it to see the progress..

[Cyclick]

I'll certainly follow it. :)

[Greybird]

Spidious. I am going to get a second Swift to put in one of those bodies. Used, with only a few flights on it.

[Spidious]

Cool...
Hope they get them in stock soon !

[Spidious]

Have been trying to find a way to slow down the servos,as they are just to fast. I might have found the solution. I found this in the Scale electric plane section. And it should work good for helicopters also. I like how it goes full and then backs off a little so the servo will stop chattering ! I have contacted him to see just how much it is..

http://www.vimeo.com/799285

[Gadget01]

Text is copied from this link: http://servocity.com/html/s136g_compact_retract.html

"A retract servo is a very specialized servo. It is non-proportional, going 180 degrees, "lock to lock". They are specifically made for mechanical retracts to lock the gear in the up and down positions. and DO NOT have any means of end point adjustment and cannot be adjusted by ATV on a transmitter. They are only able to go 180 degrees and provide full maximum available torque at the two end points. This is their whole purpose and intentional design, but if someone has a unique design situation where they need other than 180 degrees available, they must use a proportional servo, not a retract servo. They are specifically designed to withstand constant holding loads in the up and down positions, unique to the use of mechanical retracts. Pneumatic retracts do not need a retract servo. A proportional standard or mini servo is used to move the air valve back and forth."

[Spidious]

Mike50 is sending me the slow down he made. I will see how well it works as far as controlling the servos.

[Greybird]

www.dionysusdesign.com They have a servo rate reducer for retractable landing gear. 10 bucks They even have a video of it working. They aslos have a double one for two servo's.

[Fred Bronk]

Mike50 is sending me the slow down he made. I will see how well it works as far as controlling the servos.

Some radios will do it for you too. Maybe even a resistor across the motor?

I do like the lock and backoff feature though.

FB

[Spidious]

I contacted dion about theirs. He thought it would work but wasn't sure.
Mike50 is sending me one to test if it will work OK with the Spek digital servos. If it does. I think a lot of Agusta owners might be interested in them.
I really like that it will unload the servo slightly so it won't sit there and buzz. He went thru many versions before the one he has now.

[Greybird]

Have you looked at the HS 75BB? Retract servo. Supposed to have a slower transit time than normal.. 180 degrees of travel. $29bucks. There is from an article on retracts in this month's RC Heli.

[Spidious]

Got my servo slower today from MIKE50.
This thing is cool. Not only is it slower, it has a panic mode programmed into it so that it will lower the gear at the normal fast speed if needed.
I am not sure how much he wants to sell them for. I am contacting him now and will pay him . He was not sure if it would work right, but it does !

Now if they would just get some more fuselages back in stock before the snow comes !

http://www.vimeo.com/1995474

[Lynxman]

The Coastguard fuselage is in stock here: http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6736

And a civilian fuselage: http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=7943


The scale forum is in the fuel heli section for some reason. :)

[Dogwoodtheone]

That servo slower looks pretty sweet :) hope he prices them reasonably


The scale forum is in the fuel heli section for some reason. :)


funny that, and probably 90% of the builds are electric too :confused:

[Spidious]

The ones you show in stock is not for the Swift 16 part # CN4027CG
The Swift one is # CN4027CGSW and is a different size and includes the retracts. And the frame work to mount the Swift is not included either !

[Spidious]

Well still can not find a Swift 16 CG version in stock anywhere. So I will work on other stuff to put on it.
I have some 550mm semi-symmetrical main blades coming for it. Really hard to find the semi versions, seems a lot of places have the full symmetrical version. Will paint the red stripes on them when they show up. I have been working on the tail feathers. Two blade set up for now. Painted the black stripes on them today. Got the helicopter pilot Saturday. Man it is a lot more detailed than I thought it would be ! Really lucked out on my high bid of 1¢ ! Can't even begin on the interior build till I get the actual copter for the dimensions. And see if one will either fit with a 5S or 6S lipo in it ?

I have found plenty of the other versions of the A109 out there, but I would have to build up the frame work for it. And this time I would rather not have to do that. It would be nice to have a red or blue available for the Swift, which I have suggested to Century a couple of times. But have never gotten a reply back from them ? The Coast guard version should be easier for my old eyes to see.

[Spidious]

Well the paint finally got dry and took all the masking off. They turned out even better than the red striped ones I did. They are black stripped just like the full size ones.

[Spidious]

Anybody have any more views of the panel ? I have only found one so far !?
I would like to find a straight on shot of it..

[mike50]

Got my servo slower today from MIKE50.
This thing is cool. Not only is it slower, it has a panic mode programmed into it so that it will lower the gear at the normal fast speed if needed.
I am not sure how much he wants to sell them for. I am contacting him now and will pay him . He was not sure if it would work right, but it does !


I'm selling these for $15.

Mike

[Spidious]

Ever have one of those days...


I had a lot of money saved up so I deposited it into my bank account.
Then went to PayPal to have it transfer into that account. 3-5 days UGGH :mad:

Then a few seconds ago I get a e-mail from Heli-World that the body is back in stock. I contacted them and asked if they could sit one off to the side so they don't sell it to somebody else before PayPal funds transfer is completed.
And I just got a e-mail back from them


Guess what they said about holding one for me.
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Hello,

Not a problem... I have one set aside.

Elliott Miyashiro



COOL I like companies like this ! :D

[Cloud Cruiser]

Spidious, I never keep money in my paypal account because I have it backed with a separate checking account. You could go ahead and process your order and it should be fine. It will take about 3 days for the money to actually come out of your account. Paypal pays the vender immediately after you click to place your order.

Robert

[Spidious]

That is what I usually do. But I wanted the money in PayPal instead of the bank. So I don't accidentally spend it ;) If there was some way to cancel the transfer, I would go ahead and order it so I would have it before this weekend !

You cannot cancel an Add Funds transfer once you initiate the transfer from your bank account to your PayPal account. When the transfer is complete, the funds are credited to your PayPal balance. You can transfer the funds back to your bank account but you must wait until the transaction is complete.

[Greybird]

Spidi, With ground shipping, $462 dollars. (including the tail case). I am having second thoughts.

[Cloud Cruiser]

Greybird, What motor, esc are you going to use on the new Swift?

Robert

[Spidious]

Greybird, why not go for this http://www.approachengineering.com/products/AP103.php
In the long run it will probably be about the same after you get it all detailed, finished...etc..

Or a 500E ? http://www.centuryheli.com/products/fuselages/funkey/CN4025/index.html?currentid=174

[Greybird]

Greybird, What motor, esc are you going to use on the new Swift?

Robert
Z30-1100 and a CC45HV. Same as my other one. The combo works perfect.

[Greybird]

Spidi, Where do you find semi-symmetrical main blades?

[Spidious]

England ?
http://www.tedani.com/550mm-semisymmetric-fiber-glass-blade-set-p-1066.html?osCsid=5a1a199badba23ea810d623729ff2928

[Greybird]

I ordered one..

[Spidious]

I did too. I figured the extra lift with the body would be a advantage...

[Dogwoodtheone]

nice price, let me know how they work out

[Greybird]

Not the blades, I ordered the body.

[Spidious]

Oh my mistake ?
I will order mine (fuselage) Thursday morning ?
PayPal should be done with their slow transfer by then....

[Greybird]

I think I might have ordered the last one...

[Spidious]

LOL

Way ahead of you there !
I contacted them over a month ago and was put on a waiting list.
And then verified that they would sit one aside for me ! :D

[Spidious]

Finally found a really good photo of the instrument panel.

[Dogwoodtheone]

good luck making all those tiny buttons and switches :eek: :D

[Greybird]

Spidi, Are you watching the 4-sale area? 2 Swifts would not be a bad thing.. Hopefully my number 2 should be here today.

[Spidious]

Well mine is finally on order ! 466.91 later less in my account.
Also have some real rubber tires coming. The ones in the picture look kind of like foam light weight style wheels ?

[Spidious]

New part for the helicopter showed up today from Advantage Hobby
Better looking scale wheels.
Will have to pull apart to paint them..But...
Hopefully the fuselage next week, so I can get started on it. Have to wire up the light system and retracts..Still waiting for the spot light to come out of back order !

[Greybird]

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[Greybird]

I guess mine will be semi-scale? Supposed to be here next Tues. I am going to finish building when I get the new tailbox, Get it flying, trimmed, etc., and put at least 10-20 flights on it before installing the fuselage. I don't want surprises on that $462 dollar fuselage.

[Gadget01]

I don't want surprises on that $462 dollar fuselage. No kidding. I'm sure it looks spectacular parked as well as in flight, but man... it better be in perfect flying order. Also, I would build a transpo crate to store it in at home to avoid any possible hangar rash and in the car in case of a sudden stop or worse.

Spidi, congrats on making that big purchase. I look forward to seeing this build log fully realized.

[Greybird]

You know what is funny Gadget, When Spidi first appeared on here, he was always complaining about spending money, how much stuff was, etc. Now he his right up front spending crazy amounts of money, just like the rest of us. :D

[Cloud Cruiser]

What do you think the AUW will be on the Swift with the Fuselage and accessory's?

Robert

[Gadget01]

You know what is funny Gadget, When Spidi first appeared on here, he was always complaining about spending money, how much stuff was, etc. Now he his right up front spending crazy amounts of money, just like the rest of us. :D There's no mistaking this hobby for a cheap one, that's for sure. Perhaps Spidi has finally broken free of his denial period.

[Spidious]

Just have a really cool piggy bank. (adds up to $999.99)
It adds up the total and then I dump it in a really large 5 gallon water jug. I put about $40 of quarters in each pay period.
Considering I don't drink, smoke or do other bad habits. This one is really not that bad !
I have mine all trimmed out and it flies fantastic ! But when I pull it apart.
I will be putting on a new tail boom, updated black main gear, flybar weights, aluminum tail housing. And balance the head again before I put it in the body.
Many years ago I wanted one put could not afford it. It is getting less expensive of a hobby. But I wish I could sell the Jet Ranger and get another Swift to put inside of another fuselage !
I just wish I had a lot more lipo batteries !

[Greybird]

Hey!! I checked Fed X tracking. My fuselage is out for delivery!

[Spidious]

Hey I don't know where the heck mine is ?
Is like pulling teeth trying to get a tracking number from Heli-World !

Where did you get yours from ?

[Spidious]

WOW
Talk about total shock !

Century helicopters sent me a PM thru RCGroups with the tracking number !

It should be here by Friday. Having it delivered to work.
Don't want that big box sitting outside of my house all day ! :rolleyes:

[Greybird]

Man, wait till you see this thing. Beautiful paint job! Came in a monster sized box. Very well packaged. Pretty sure I will be afraid to fly it. :eek:

[Cloud Cruiser]

Impressive!!! Now I want one.

Robert

[Greybird]

Doesn't seem to be any directions with this thing. Spidi, Did you find anywhere on-line with directions?

[Spidious]

Yeah found them a while ago.
Not real detailed but here you go ..

http://www.centuryheli.com/support/manuals/109A_manual.pdf


Plus below are some different pictures of another person build. I can't remember where I found them.

[Greybird]

Thanks.. I got the metal tailbox. It has 2 bushings next to the pulley. One is 1.65mm, one is 2.5mm. WAY too much play with it like that. It seems to need 2 of the 2.5mm bushings. I E-mailed Century to ask about it.

[Greybird]

And so, my build grinds to a stop.....

[Gadget01]

Thanks.. I got the metal tailbox. It has 2 bushings next to the pulley. One is 1.65mm, one is 2.5mm. WAY too much play with it like that. It seems to need 2 of the 2.5mm bushings. I E-mailed Century to ask about it. Are those the same bushings that you sent? I still use the ones that I trimmed to fit- they work perfectly. I can send the others back to you if you like.

That fuselage looks super sweet! Makes me want one even more. I think I'm gonna stick with my Airwolf plan though and use on-board lighting to help with orientation. It won't be for at least a few more months though unless somebody starts paying me extra for how awesome I am :D

[Greybird]

If they are 2.5mm, send them. I would appreciate it. I don't have anything to make them with. If Century sends me one, I'll return them to you.

[Greybird]

Also, pictures really do not do that fuselage justice. Spidi, you are in for a treat.

[Spidious]

Well looking at it on your full size bed ? It looks huge !

[Cloud Cruiser]

How much will it weigh when finnished?

Robert

[Spidious]

Less than 50# :D

Good question.

My Swift 16 4# 12 oz
Fuselage according to site 2.0#
Lipo battery 1# 10oz
Extra servos lights pilot interior etc ? 1#

9.4# or 4,263 grams

[Dogwoodtheone]

that's going to be a beautiful bird :)

I'm going to stick to my plans of an Apache, my building skills are no where near enough to do it justice but I really like the way they look.

Might have to get a second swift so I can do a Cobra too :eek: LOL

[Greybird]

Outside, in the sun

[jamesppp]

[QUOTE=Spidious]Have been trying to find a way to slow down the servos,as they are just to fast. I might have found the solution. I found this in the Scale electric plane section. And it should work good for helicopters also. I like how it goes full and then backs off a little so the servo will stop chattering ! I have contacted him to see just how much it is..

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Spidious, you might, in the future want to cosider getting a few inexpensive Hyperion servos and the 17 dollar programmer. You can program any speed and travel range, center etc, that you need for them.If you want to change the parameters at any time, it is easy and quick to do. All of the sizes, speed and torque ranges of these servos have this capability, The standard size metal geared servos are very precise and quiet. I just got a set of sub mico(10g) to try out in my Beam too. Im really liking these.

BTW, the travel is adjustable from a few degrees to 180º and you wont have buzzing unless you max it completly out.

[jamesppp]

Doesnt Century have a mostly lite-ply fuselage kit of an Apache? Someone had apost going of something like that and it too was very impressive, I would like the building project but probably couldnt do justice to the kit on the paint job. Although as far as paint jobs go. desert camo would be pretty easy to correct mistakes on but hard for me to see in the air. Flourescent desert camo will not get you many scale points...

Does anyone make a suitable swash follower to convert the Swift to one of the flybarless systems?

Thanks,

Jimmy

[Dogwoodtheone]

the wood Apache is by Approach Engineering and sold by starwood scale models
http://www.starwoodmodels.com/products/ap/AP103overview.php

Its what I plan on doing for my Swift (they also make a sweet Cobra kit)

[Spidious]

Got my fiberglass blades today. Not to bad looking. Below is a shot of the first blade striped out. Other one still drying..

[Greybird]

Spidious, you are going to have to post a lot of pic's, on the landing gear and lighting. I will need help.

[Spidious]

Should be able to start on it this weekend ?

[jamesppp]

the wood Apache is by Approach Engineering and sold by starwood scale models
http://www.starwoodmodels.com/products/ap/AP103overview.php

Its what I plan on doing for my Swift (they also make a sweet Cobra kit)



Thats is a good looking kit to me. It would be a fun build. I could even manage the paint job too...only it would be hard to see in the air. A flourecent yellow and orange camo paint job might not look too bad :rolleyes:
I have seen one of the attack helis with an org/yel camo scheme somewhere.

[Dogwoodtheone]

you could always do it up in the florescent orange paint scheme they use why the heli is still being evaluated :)

[Spidious]

Hey it showed up at work this morning !
Man is the box huge ! And double boxed and wrapped up very well. Will take pictures tonight..
The aluminum tail box had a split bag and all the stuff fell out ! :(
But luckily I found it !

[Gadget01]

You mean this will actually be a real build log? :D

[Spidious]

Hey no instruction how to put the tail assembly together either ! ?

[rotoraddict]

it is the same tail gearbox as comes standard on the Swift 620SE. Check out page 11 of the 620SE manual here on their site:

http://www.centuryhelimedia.com/Swift620SE_Manual.pdf

[Spidious]

First off

Somebody at Century needs to sit down and seriously write up a assembly manual for this thing ! :rolleyes:


If you do it by the short version on their site. Chances are that you will have to pull it apart and redo parts of it. At this time I am not 100% sure. But it looks like some of the assembly procedures need to be switched around.
Looks like the window will in fact have to be removed to replace the battery, as the front is held down with a lot of screws !
If you are not sure the retracts look right, you are correct the rods need to be rotated 180° so that they are in the correct orientation. I took one apart to see just how they work. You won't have to. Just rotate the little pivot end. If it is pointing the wrong direction.
The gear support rods will need to be super glued into the retracts, as they do not fit tight enough to be sure that they won't fall out !
To tighten the servos you will need a small screw driver attachment like in the picture and a ratchet wrench. Not enough room for a screw driver !

They mention to attach the support rod to the aluminum gear box for the tail. But the one that comes with the tail gear box does not have the hole in it ! And the fuselage does not have the correct one to install it. So I will have to drill the hole in it ? :mad:
As far as the paint job, it looks great.
The windows need to be glued to the inside, and for the life of me I can't remember what everybody kept saying to use to do that ????

[Dogwoodtheone]

you should replace all those screws with small rare-earth magnets.

should hold it in place but allow for much easier removal

[Greybird]

Nice Spidi. Keep it detailed..

[Spidious]

Darn I have lost some of my magnets !
I figure I need 18 of them.
Well back to EBay for more !
I just can not see trying to get the battery in and out of that small window !

Just ordered 30 of them for $13 !



30 of 3/16"x1/4" Strong Rare Earth Neodymium Magnets (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=360102356092)

[jamesppp]

Darn I have lost some of my magnets !
I figure I need 18 of them.
Well back to EBay for more !
I just can not see trying to get the battery in and out of that small window !

Just ordered 30 of them for $13 !



30 of 3/16"x1/4" Strong Rare Earth Neodymium Magnets (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=360102356092)



RC Dude keeps 5 sizes of these and they are only .49 ea. He ships same day and I always get my order in 2 days from Oregon to Georgia.I dont know if his sizes would work for you.

http://www.rcdude.com/servlet/the-Magnets/Categories

[Spidious]

Thanks..
I ordered some form him also.
Who's do you think I will get first ? ;)

[Spidious]

Well have to run to the store to get some zap. And what ever the heck I can glue the windows in with.
Got the retracts in and operation. I was actually able to adjust it so when they go up they are not all going up at the same time. COOL. Working on the lights right now. The light in the very rear tail assembly won't have a light in it :(
As the one in there won't work with my led's the others will look great.

Just check out the retract operation !

http://www.vimeo.com/2126432

[Dogwoodtheone]

Those retracts are looking sweet Spidi, keep up the good work :)

[rotoraddict]

I do not like using any kind of cyano acrylate glues (e.g. Zap) for attaching windows as when it takes the vapor and heat can "smoke" streak the window.

I really like using more flexible glues like "Goop".

As for the magnet method of attaching the canopy. You will find that you will not necessarily need one at every location that there is a screw attachment, but only at maybe two or three locations.

[jamesppp]

There is or used to be a speciality windshield adhesive. It was a little easier to use than most products. It didnst run and it took a very fine bead to seal on the clear parts. It didnt compress a lot and that made it easier to control.

My old container of it hardened up several years ago and I threw it away. It was called Glue n Glaze..I think.

[Spidious]

Wow just got email from RC Dude. They have already shipped my order w/tracking number !

[Spidious]

Well almost 9 hours later. I am almost done.
To get the aluminum tail assembly on you have to get the Swift really far back to get the screws in.
If you have a servo on the boom for the tail, trim off any gear arms that are still on the servo. It will NOT fit in with the extra arms on it. It is a really tight fit ! And then some !
I still have to figure out how the heck to get those two small nuts on the bottom of the frame rear. Boy talk about stupid ! I would of made panels that are removable to access them !
Have to put the battery in and check the balance.
Have to put the magnets on the front part of the fuselage.

Then double check everything and get brave enough to fly it !

[Greybird]

Very Nice! Man, you are fast. I bought Hawk paddles for mine. Black, and they have weights to calm things down. Do all 3 retracts work off one servo?

[Spidious]

Has a servo for the fronts and another one for both of the rears. Watch the video..

[jamesppp]

Spidious, RC Dude is quick. I really like that. Kyle at RC SuperSales ships quickly too. It is nice when people care and know that we are generally impatient and once we pull the trigger we like to get it quickly.

That fuse is very impressive and is giving me the scale bug... I might get the wood kit.

I watched the Rays DVD set where he set up a trex 450 very carefully. He is very anal about it and readily admits it.
It inspired me to do some work on my Beam and I spent several hours on it today. I replaced the servos with the programmable Hyperion 11 series. I spent the time to program each servo for a perfect center. Just selecting the Futaba preset from the menu was not exactly dead center. It took a few tries and each of the 3 I programmed required a slightly different setting.

I reinstalled the motor before final mounting of the pitch and aileron servos which are in front of the swash and side by side. I carefully set the mesh of the gears.I bought a swash leveling tool with 2 small bubble vials and with the top of the head off I used it and dialed out all of the interaction and got the swash level at low, mid and high stick using the transmitter and re adjusting all of the ball links. Put the upper head on and played with the links there for a long time.

My blades on the Beam have always been slightly off on tracking. I have a hard time staring at the blades closely in flight and never could tell which blade was high. Once the swash was dead nuts level, I brought both blades to almost exactly the same pitch. Hopefully the tracking will be very close now. Using the Swash-Thr mix function on my transmitter I mixed 6% throttle on aileron inputs and 3% on elevator inputs.
Hopefully I can try it out tomorrow.

I took a break this afternoon and took my Swift to the field. It has been a few weeks since I flew it since I have been dialing in my Raptor. I had set up the Swash-Thr function on the Swift last week and not tried it yet. I also put a set of carbon 530mm blades on it that I have had since i got the heli but have never tried. At first I didnt like the blades..but.. I think most of the problem was the swash-thr mix I had. I dialed out some of the mix and by the 4th pack the blades were seeming better. I had heard these Heli Max blades werent any better than than stock woodies but Robert liked his so we will see.

Flying the Swift around in Normal mode with the cyclic-throttle mix made slow, scale like flying a little smoother and it was easier to maintain a constant altitude through my slow turns. I think that this mix will be very nice on the scale birds you guys are building. I need all the help I can get because I pretty much suck at flying. Ive just reached a level and seem to be stuck. Im going to try and take one of the bigger helis out every afternoon after work till I get better or run out of stuff to fly.

Jimmy

[Dogwoodtheone]

NIce work Spidi, great way to spend a weekend :)

Jimmy, on the throttle mix thing, you have a throttle curve set up in you cyclic and then you do a throttle mix with the aileron and elevator? what radio are you using?
Do you fly around in rate more or head hold?

take this with a grain of salt as the only flying I do is in the sim, but it seems easier to do scale style flying in rate mode, the tail weather vanes nicely.

[jamesppp]

NIce work Spidi, great way to spend a weekend :)

Jimmy, on the throttle mix thing, you have a throttle curve set up in you cyclic and then you do a throttle mix with the aileron and elevator? what radio are you using?
Do you fly around in rate more or head hold?

take this with a grain of salt as the only flying I do is in the sim, but it seems easier to do scale style flying in rate mode, the tail weather vanes nicely.

I have a Futaba 7CH Faast . It has a Swash-Throttle mix in the menu. Just select it and dial in the values that you want the throttle to increase when you apply aileron or elevator. You have to set up a P mix if you were to want to add throttle with rudder input.

In the Rays DVD 's on the trex setup, he programmed his throttle curve in all modes with 88% as the highest number on the curve and he used 12% Cyclic-Throttle mixing(using Spektrum tx's) That way, he had 100% when needed.

I fly in HH mode and use rate mode to mec\hanically set up the tail.

On my new Raptor with the JR 7703D gyro I didnt even do that. The instructions dont tell you to. With that gyro I did use rate mode just to center the tail rotor and get the servo horn at 90 degrees to the pushrod. Then I just set the end points at max (140/140) used Dual rates to control the endpoints and set the gain and a lot of expo to soften the feel around center. It worked worked great the first time and I havent touched it since.
Randy from Esprit models gave me the recommended settings for it since there isnt much info available about using that gyro with Futaba radio gear.

Jimmy

[Dogwoodtheone]

I have a DX7, I'll have to look into the menus and see where to set that up, might be worth a try.

[Spidious]

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