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Century Heli
Sep 25, 2008, 06:53 PM
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A first in the industry, a fully assembled .30 sized RC Helicopter. From the rotorhead to the landing gear, from the main frame to the tail section, every part is preassembled for you. No need to spend hours just to build your helicopter. Our trained builders in our factory have done this for you, meticulously inspecting and carefully assembling each part. This full featured RC helicopter comes with parts you expect from a modern .30 sized RC Helicopter. Below are some features of the Swift 100% Ready-To-Fly RC Helicopter.
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We are proud to introduce the Swift RTF (Ready-To-Fly) .30 sized electric aerobatic, high performance helicopter. This is no toy. This is a proven high-flying 3D machine that many veteran and pro pilots use today. If you’re looking for a quick and affordable avenue to get into high-performance helicopter flight the Swift 100% RTF provides you with EVERYTHING you need to get up in the air in a hurry without hurting your pocket book.
It’s all here! Elite 6 Channel 2.4GHz Transmitter, Signal Booster, Receiver, Gyro, Servos, Charger, and Batteries... All installed and factory tuned. The smart charger plugs into a standard wall outlet: no more hooking up to your car battery. Just pull the Swift out of the box, charge and install the batteries and go fly!
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The Swift 100% RTF is designed to offer beginner to intermediate helicopter pilots a ready-to-fly experience like no other. It comes 100% factory built and tested so you can get flying right away, and its equipped with state-of-the-art features like brushless and Li-Po power, a heading lock gyro, servos and CCPM control. From smooth hovering to 3D flying, the Swift 100% RTF’s size and performance allow it to be flown outdoors in breezier conditions that would typically ground smaller mid. size and micro-class helicopters.
In addition to its impressive features and performance, the Swift 100% RTF is the first ready-to-fly full size electric helicopter to come equipped with the Elite 6-channel 2.4GHz Spread Spectrum Technology radio system. Besides providing freedom from frequency restrictions and interference, the Elite 6 SST radio offers other unique advantages like faster control response and innovative features allowing the beginner pilot to get started while the more advanced pilot can program the radio for more extreme 3D aerobatics . The system also includes the feather light Elite 6 SST receiver.
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What do you get in the package?
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Elite 6 2.4GHz SST 6-Channel Control System
Unlike traditional 72MHz radios, the Elite 6 SST provides freedom from frequency restrictions and interference. The Elite 6 SST radio offers other unique advantages like faster control responses and innovative features allowing the beginner pilot to get started while the more advanced pilot can program the radio through a computer interface for more extreme 3D aerobatics.
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Outrunner 550+ High Efficiency Motor
A powerful 550 sized outrunner brushless motor rated at 1300kV with built in cooling fan provides responsive flight and excellent efficiency. The power system is a tested tried and true efficient motor providing the best performance, durability, and efficiency in a light weight package. The motor is the heart of the electric helicopter and this motor keeps your helicopter flying hot and your heart pumping.
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Electron 75/95A ESC with BEC
The Electron ESC provided with the Swift 100% RTF is a full featured ESC. It is a revolutionary electric speed controller dedicated full size R/C applications. The Electron is the result of years of research and development. The Electron has multiple, complex, yet easy to program built-in functions, gentle to the gears and pilots can program the Electron in the field with ease and comfort.
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Basic PG3000 Heading Lock Gyro
The Swift 100% RTF is equipped with a Century Basic PG3000 Heading Lock Gyro. It’s lightweight, small size, and performance make this gyro an excellent feature in the Swift 100% RTF package. This allows the tail to always lock in when the helicopter stops getting input from the pilot. Why did we include such a good gyro? 3D pilots demand a heading lock gyro to perform their complex maneuvers.
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Electron 3300mAh 4S1P Lithium-Polymer Battery
Lithium polymer battery provides better flight time to weight/size ratio than NiCD/NiMH batteries. This is why we have chosen to include this on the Swift RTF. We've specially made this 4 Cell (4S1P) lithium polymer battery for the Swift. This battery with 3300mAh capacity can allow you to fly anywhere from 10 to 12 minutes in one flight.
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High Speed Analog Servos
High speed servos provide an overall quick response from the heli which is why we have installed them to control the Swift RTF. A tail mounted servo is a standard feature on the Swift RTF. We've provided a high speed tail rudder servo to supplement this as this provides a quick responsive tail.
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Binding Jumper
Binds the Elite 6 SST Transmitter to the Elite 6 SST Receiver.
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Li-Po Battery Charger
Enables you to charge your battery with ease using standard wall sockets at home.
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520mm Wood Main Blades
Century's high quality laminated wood blades.
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Main Blade Holder
To hold the main rotor blades while not in use specially when transporting your heli.
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8x AA Transmitter Batteries
We've even thought of the transmitter batteries. No need to purchase them separately.
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Velcro Battery Holder
To hold the lithium-polymer battery in place while in flight.
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Blue Loctite
For minor heli preparation and extra for future use.
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Allen Key Wrenches
Use to make fine adjustments to your heli.
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What makes the Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly so capable?
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A powerful 550 sized outrunner motor rated at 1300kV with built in cooling fan provides responsive flight and excellent efficiency. The power system is a tested tried and true efficient motor providing the best performance, durability, and efficiency in a light weight package. The motor is the heart of the electric helicopter and this motor keeps your helicopter flying hot and your heart pumping with excitement for the next flight.
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A high speed tail mounted servo is mated with a heading lock gyro. This means a quick responsive tail and the functionality of a high end gyro. This allows the tail to always lock in when the helicopter stops getting input from the pilot. Why did we include such a good gyro? 3D pilots demand a heading lock gyro to perform their complex maneuvers. You won’t need to upgrade your gyro once you start 3D flight because you will already have what it takes.
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The Swift has been known to have one the fastest pirouette rates in the industry due to the way the tail control system is configured. With this superior tail system, the Swift is lightning fast. Call us crazy but we’ve decided to include the same tail system in the Swift RTF. The dual bearing support tail blade grips along with 75mm tail blades provides a lightning fast tail response making a controlled pirouette a blur in seconds.
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eCCPM offers direct control, and quick response for full 3D flight. The servos have already been centered and setup for normal flight. This is all programmed in the 2.4GHz transmitter. All pushrods have been set. Fiber re-enforced side frames offer rigidity and durability. Without prior experience, a beginner won’t need to mess around with setting up rod lengths, change pitch angles, or anything helicopter setup related as it’s all been done by the factory.
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Thrust bearing supported blade grips offer smooth pitch control. This is usually only found in high end machines but we’re offering it here as part of the package. An 8mm feathering spindle which is pretty much unheard of in this class size of helicopter offers extreme durability. The robust feathering spindle offers prolonged durability under extreme maneuvers. 10mm main shaft offers a robust platform for the fast spinning head.
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2.4GHz control system with signal booster provides virtually no-interference flying. The control system has been pre-installed ready to go. Much like the rest of the helicopter, the design and testing of the new Elite 2.4GHz control system has been through rigorous tests in numerous environments.
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1700-1800 RPM provides easy control for beginners. When you’ve mastered the basic controls, just purchase and apply the 3D upgrade package and your Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly R/C Helicopter will be capable of extreme maneuvers.
Every one of the kits are pre-tested and pre-flown prior to packaging to ensure that you have a perfectly flying helicopter. Why spend the time and effort of learning to setup and build a helicopter when all you want to do is fly? Factory trained experts have done the hard work for you. The more important part of learning how to fly an R/C helicopter is left up to you, the pilot.
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The Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly helicopter is a full .30 sized helicopter. Why try to learn on a small micro sized helicopter that's unstable and affected by the slightest hint of wind? The larger the helicopter, the more stable it'll be in flight. This is what you want when you're learning to fly.
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Let's face it, you're bound to crash. It's not a matter when or how it happens...what it comes down to is how much of a hit is it going to be on your pocket book to get it back in the air?
Here are a few example prices of some replacement parts:
Tail Boom: $3.99
Main Blades (Pair): $14.99
Main Frames (Both sides): $13.99
Feathering Spindle: $5.99
Crash Kit (Includes Main Blades, Tail Boom, Feathering Spindle, Main Shaft, and Flybar): $34.99
The cost of all the components and the cost of replacement parts is what sets most new comers back when getting into this hobby. A fully set up R/C helicopter this size could easily set you back $900 to $1200. Century Helicopter Products has done it for a very affordable $599.95.
Once you get past the learning stage, unlike most Ready-to-Fly models, you've only just passed the opening credits of your favorite movie. There's much more to this bird...
A full line of upgrades are already in production and readily available. Everything can be upgraded on this helicopter from Carbon fiber main blades all the way to a CNC Machined tail gear box. Even the power system can be upgraded. The airframe has been tested and capable of handling 37 volts of power (in a 10 Cell battery configuration). That's INSANE power!
Examples of some upgradable items:
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More powerful motor, ESC and BEC.
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Full metal rotorhead.
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Metal tail gear box.
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RotorTech™ 550mm Angled-Tip Carbon Fiber Main Blades
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Now when you get this kit, you'd think oh...just another pre-set transmitter. WRONG...This transmitter is 100% programmable via a USB link and software you'd run on a PC. Why fiddle with a small screen on the transmitter when you can see it on your computer monitor in full size?
The radio features:
• Full-range capability
• Infinite Model Memory (Based on storage capacity of your computer)
• Heli and airplane programming
• Standard or 120º CCPM swashplate mixing
• 3-axis dual rates and exponential
• Travel adjust
• Sub trim
• Two 5-point throttle curves
• Two 5-point pitch curves
• Revo mixing
• Gyro sensitivity programming
• Two programmable mixes
FAQ:
What's kind of battery is supplied?
You get a 4 Cell 20C 3300mAH Li-Po battery.
What's the typical flight time?
Anywhere from 10 to 12 minutes.
Is the transmitter programmable?
Yes, programmed through a USB interface on your PC.
How big is the Swift RTF helicopter?
The total length of the helicopter excluding blades from nose to tail is approximately 42 inches long.
Can I put the Swift RTF into a fuselage?
Yes you can. We make fuselages specifically for the Swift line of helicopters. An example of an Agusta 109 Coast Guard edition painted fuselage is shown below.
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Order yours today from your local Century Helicopter Products dealer or distributor.
witstick
Sep 25, 2008, 07:09 PM
Hello Century,
I just ordered one of these and i should have it tomorrow. I already know how to fly helicopters but i just wanted something i could just charge and fly. Questoins i have...
1. Where do you get the programming software for the transmitter? i see nothing about it on your website, i will want to set it up for basic aerobatics.
2. 10-12 min on a 3300mah battery?? i seriously dont i will get much over 6 min with that capacity battery.
3. Out of the box can it perform basic aerobatics?(loops, rolls)?
Well i am excited to get this thing and see how nice it flies, if it is a good setup i am going to recommend it to my brother for a trainer as he is just learning.
Century Heli
Sep 25, 2008, 07:20 PM
1. Where do you get the programming software for the transmitter? i see nothing about it on your website, i will want to set it up for basic aerobatics.
We will be releasing this package very soon. It will be structured something like this:
3D Package Stage 1: USB Programming interface & software, 3D paddles, carbon blades
3D Package Stage 2: USB Programming interface & software, 3D paddles, carbon blades, triple bearing block, carbon tail blades.
3D Package Stage 3: and so on...
2. 10-12 min on a 3300mah battery?? i seriously dont i will get much over 6 min with that capacity battery.
This is the resultant flight times we have on this setup with the stock programming. The battery comes pre-cycled 2 to 3 times. We highly recommend cycling the battery at least 8 to 10 times before expecting the battery to run at full power.
3. Out of the box can it perform basic aerobatics?(loops, rolls)?
Out of the box, the helicopter is setup for around -6 degree/+8 degrees of pitch. It has an RPM ranging from 1700-1800. This is capable of doing basic rolls and loops.
Prime12
Sep 25, 2008, 07:41 PM
I have a mildly setup Swift 16 and been loving it so far, stable and smooth. Just my 2 cents :) .
Did I mention that it's made in the US? (For those who care :D )
Spidious
Sep 25, 2008, 08:37 PM
I have one and love it. I put mine together, but your set up looks great for a beginner.
One thing, why is it so difficult to find the below fuselage ? And will you ever have other colors Swift 16 ready like the Coast guard version ? Maybe a Hughes 500D for the Swift 16 also ?
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witstick
Sep 25, 2008, 08:42 PM
Century,
Thanks for the quick response, i am really looking forward to flying a bigger heli after flying micros.
LockMD
Sep 25, 2008, 09:14 PM
2. 10-12 min on a 3300mah battery?? i seriously dont i will get much over 6 min with that capacity battery.[/I]
This is the resultant flight times we have on this setup with the stock programming. The battery comes pre-cycled 2 to 3 times. We highly recommend cycling the battery at least 8 to 10 times before expecting the battery to run at full power.
Most people KNOW Lipos do not need a 'break in' period.
For the people that do buy this, I just hope Century does not upgrade parts before its in full swing and NOT discontinue the orig parts like they did with the 620SE (maybe give the buyer an option :confused: )
On the good side, I guess its a good heli once you get it set up right (even RTF will need some adjustments) just check it over BEFORE flying.
Customer service needs some work too, but I imagine they will get there eventually.
Century Heli
Sep 25, 2008, 09:38 PM
I have one and love it. I put mine together, but your set up looks great for a beginner.
One thing, why is it so difficult to find the below fuselage ? And will you ever have other colors Swift 16 ready like the Coast guard version ? Maybe a Hughes 500D for the Swift 16 also ?
http://www.centuryheli.com/products/fuselages/funkey/fkagustacn4027/images/new_CN4027CGSW.jpg
The fuselages are in high demand. Usually the fuselages that arrive in container shipments are pretty much pre-sold even before they get to our warehouse for distribution. We haven't planned on other colors. Other models are in the works, i.e. Bell 222, Hughes 500's.
F1 Rocket
Sep 25, 2008, 09:53 PM
I have one and love it. I put mine together, but your set up looks great for a beginner.
One thing, why is it so difficult to find the below fuselage ? And will you ever have other colors Swift 16 ready like the Coast guard version ? Maybe a Hughes 500D for the Swift 16 also ?
http://www.centuryheli.com/products/fuselages/funkey/fkagustacn4027/imag
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We are a dealer for Century and stock a large number of Century fuselages. If Century does not have the one you want there is a good chance that we do.
Danny
Esprit Model
Spidious
Sep 25, 2008, 11:02 PM
Link to the fuselage ?
Will look now...
FrankW
Sep 25, 2008, 11:10 PM
As much as this will grow the hobby, I'm scared that this could cause some serious problems with newbies who just want to fly, but don't want to bother learning how to first (run before they can crawl). RTF mini helis will usually just leave a few cuts and bruises. A 550mm bladed heli can cause some serious damage.
Still cool though. I'm thinking about getting a Swift kit for a scale build.
-Frank
F1 Rocket
Sep 25, 2008, 11:56 PM
Link to the fuselage ?
Will look now...
http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=793
Fred Bronk
Sep 26, 2008, 12:02 AM
As much as this will grow the hobby, I'm scared that this could cause some serious problems with newbies who just want to fly, but don't want to bother learning how to first (run before they can crawl). RTF mini helis will usually just leave a few cuts and bruises. A 550mm bladed heli can cause some serious damage.
Still cool though. I'm thinking about getting a Swift kit for a scale build.
-Frank
Actually, the Swift flys much better than a mini heli, it is more stable and can handle wind better.
Learning to fly safely is a must and should always be brought to the attention of any new pilot.
Having flown several Swifts before this RTF on 4s I know it is a solid flyer.
I have not flown the RTF so time will tell. By the way, here is a 4s Swift flying indoors at the AMA show with the 550 motor.
FB
RMG2
Sep 26, 2008, 02:51 AM
I saw the RTF fly about two weeks ago at a heli fly-in. It was flown straight out of the box by a Century rep. and it flew very well on 4s.
Now if Century could just figure out why so any Swift kits are missing parts and correct the problem all will be good! :rolleyes:
FrankW
Sep 26, 2008, 03:35 AM
Actually, the Swift flys much better than a mini heli, it is more stable and can handle wind better.
Learning to fly safely is a must and should always be brought to the attention of any new pilot.
Having flown several Swifts before this RTF on 4s I know it is a solid flyer.
I have not flown the RTF so time will tell. By the way, here is a 4s Swift flying indoors at the AMA show with the 550 motor.
FB
My concern isn't stability, my concern is with those who will buy this helicopter and try to fly it without any previous experiance, help or logic. I know of plenty of people who've tried/failed with RTF micro and mini helis and have seen the damage those can cause by a novice pilot who puts the cart before the horse.
-Frank
Spidious
Sep 26, 2008, 08:06 AM
I actually saw the fuselages at http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6736
But the part # for the Coast guard version shows it as CN4027CG instead of CN4027CGSW which is the Swift 16 version ! ?
ukgroucho
Sep 26, 2008, 08:24 PM
Most people KNOW Lipos do not need a 'break in' period.
Weeell there is some debate on that. One school of thought is that cycling the packs anywhere between 6 and 10 cycles without overstressing them (less than 10C) provides longer life (more cycles) and a pack that delivers more consistent power thoughout it's life - and is less likely to puff.
Personally I'm not SURE if this works but I do run several break in flights at moderate load on my more expensive packs.
EDIT: Oh yeah.. this looks like a GREAT starter deal.
Not sure that I like the radio that needs to be programmed with a PC - sorry Century but your "benefit" statement is BS - folks need to be able to adjust at the field without taking a laptop.
Cyclick
Sep 27, 2008, 12:43 AM
FrankW
I think there are a lot more people who may jump into helis without thinking who will spend $250 to $400 to do so with a mini then you will find willing to do so with a $600 dollar investment. I would think those willing to spend the $600 will not be as prone to think of it as a "toy heli" as a big contingent of buyers f the mini and micros do.
I would think, this size and price, would attract more of those, like in the past, who may have considered starting with a 30 size nitro and have a similar mind set....seeing it as an R/C trainer heli rather then an R/C heli toy.
One thing I would like to see, is a set of 30 size nitro type of training gear suggested for use with the absolute newbie it is aimed at.
misskimo
Sep 27, 2008, 01:10 PM
hey , well good price, a few fellows here at my work are asking for RTF models for me to train them in the Gym this winter. HUH?
Fred Bronk
Sep 27, 2008, 04:44 PM
Maybe a RTF less radio would be nice too? Add a radio and go :D
Spidious
Sep 27, 2008, 06:50 PM
RTF minus the radio transmitter would be great for all of us that all ready have one.
After all who doesn't need a extra helicopter ? ;)
Gadget01
Sep 27, 2008, 08:31 PM
Not sure that I like the radio that needs to be programmed with a PC - sorry Century but your "benefit" statement is BS - folks need to be able to adjust at the field without taking a laptop. As much as I like whiz-bang gadgetry, I agree with Groucho on this. Having to hook up a PC to do something as simple as adjust a throttle curve seems tedious. However, someone new to the hobby wouldn't know the difference. Whether a beginner would find this beneficial remains to be seen.
This system's big selling point is a little past its prime. You can get a 2.4GHz radio now for under $200 that is very user-friendly to program- The Spektrum DX6i. I fly my Swift with it and it works flawlessly. I can adjust my throttle curves at the field without a laptop too.
Cyclick
Sep 28, 2008, 12:17 AM
I agree Fred - an RTF without radio is a great idea
Gadget01
Sep 28, 2008, 03:34 AM
It’s all here! Elite 6 Channel 2.4GHz Transmitter, Signal Booster, Receiver, Gyro, Servos, Charger, and Batteries... All installed and factory tuned. The smart charger plugs into a standard wall outlet: no more hooking up to your car battery. Just pull the Swift out of the box, charge and install the batteries and go fly!What's a signal booster? I smell marketing fluff.
witstick
Sep 28, 2008, 08:58 AM
Hello,
Well i received my Swift RTF yesterday, it looks like a pretty nice rig. The stickers on the canopy were the first thing to go, they were ugly!! I was a little upset that from the factory the radio is not programmed for idle up, it only has normal flight mode, i need to get the programming software to program idle up which kinda sucks.. And the programming software isnt out yet, hope it comes out soon. The radio does have some sort of signal booster mounted to the heli, when it locks in there is a light on it that glows red, weather it really does anything or not i dont know. Well if the weather gets better i will try a test hop today. Chris.
douglas4
Sep 28, 2008, 10:29 AM
:eek: Witstick I noticed in your pics the servo arms and linkages arn't @ 90 degrees...? Did it come like that from the factory...? Is there any room on the links to adjust for this...? It would seem logical that Century would set them @ 90 degrees like we all do with our helis. :confused:
Cloud Cruiser
Sep 28, 2008, 10:54 AM
It's probably because the radio is off and no battery is hooked up.
Robert
laughingstill
Sep 28, 2008, 11:20 AM
:eek: Witstick I noticed in your pics the servo arms and linkages arn't @ 90 degrees...? Did it come like that from the factory...? Is there any room on the links to adjust for this...? It would seem logical that Century would set them @ 90 degrees like we all do with our helis. :confused:
If you look at the swashplate you can see it is at full negative, thus the reason for the non-90 degree look.......Ron
douglas4
Sep 28, 2008, 11:29 AM
Opps missed that one. Your right. my bad. But are they 90 degrees out of the box...?
laughingstill
Sep 28, 2008, 11:32 AM
If it is a true RTF they should be dead nuts.......Ron
witstick
Sep 28, 2008, 11:54 AM
Hello, yes everything is at 90 degrees, it was off because it wasnt powered up and i was messing with it. One thing i can say is that the canopy is a major PITA to get on and off, its too small and im going to have to modify it to get my other battery pack in it, but other then that it is a really nice rig, now the real test will be later when i see how it flies!..........Chris.
jamesppp
Sep 28, 2008, 01:48 PM
Hello, yes everything is at 90 degrees, it was off because it wasnt powered up and i was messing with it. One thing i can say is that the canopy is a major PITA to get on and off, its too small and im going to have to modify it to get my other battery pack in it, but other then that it is a really nice rig, now the real test will be later when i see how it flies!..........Chris.
All you have to do is trim the bottom out of the canopy scoop, then even 6S 5000mah packs can be changed out without removing it.
Once you get the canopy removal system down pat, it gets easy. I position the the canopy aroud the head, line up the two front grommets with the standoff's. Now hold the boom and stand it up on the nose on a table or whatever..look under the sides and get both rear grommets lined up before snapping down any of them..now press on the rear set then the front or vice versa. The trick is having both rear mounts lined up before snapping any of the m on.
Butuz
Sep 28, 2008, 02:05 PM
Hi Century. Would swift run nice on 6S 2500 pack with smaller pinion? its just I have lots of these batteries now.
Fred Bronk
Sep 28, 2008, 09:22 PM
Hi Century. Would swift run nice on 6S 2500 pack with smaller pinion? its just I have lots of these batteries now.
No, but running them in parallel would work great.
FB
laughingstill
Sep 28, 2008, 09:30 PM
No, but running them in parallel would work great.
FB
Yeah running them in a 6s2p will turn them into a 6s 5000 and that will work great for long flights and great power......Ron
Heritic
Sep 29, 2008, 07:55 AM
I know a few people who were interested in this RTF Swift, trouble is it was in there catalogue nearly a year ago at£400 seemed a bargain, problem is since then heli's like the 500 size 3DX have arrived which (less the radio of course) which are 2lb lighter ONLy 10cm shorter in blade length, higher headspeed cancels out the stronger wind flying and batteries are 1/2 price .
ALSO it could be a pain "stripping down " a RTF to check ALL screws etc are tight.
RTF will make pilots less aware of the build and maybe take for granted "WRONGLY" the airframe is sound.
I know all potential pilots can assemble and make errors, RTF will take away that learning and I believe as others have hinted make the thing potentially dangerous.
The 2.4GHZ is a bonus for safety if the user actually knows how to set the thing up, as we know with plastics and wood HOWEVER the heli was setup in the factory, it will need the skills of a competent builder / pilot to make it work SAFE and SOUND, and knowledge of on going maintanance and care of the whole package.
Heritic
oded mazor
Sep 29, 2008, 09:30 AM
careful with 6S and the RTF version. the included esc is rated for 4S max !
douglas4
Sep 29, 2008, 11:17 AM
I just read right thru the entire pdf manual I saved in my computer. Seems to be a pretty substatial machine. I did notice however the pic of the main shaft @ the end of the manual where it shows the parts photos. It seems to be a hollow main shaft from what I can gather from the pic. Am I right...? and is the swift really a good heli...?
rotoraddict
Sep 29, 2008, 01:50 PM
I have two Swifts now. My first, a number of years ago, was the Swift 16 (that is basically the heli in the RTF version) and later the Swift 550SE. I have collected many helis over the past number of years (electric, nitro and gas) and find these two are the ones I seem to fly the most. Due to their size, they are easy to see at a distance, fly well in most any wind and have great stability due to their favorable low disc loading.
I love them both, and have well over 300 rather hard 3D flights on the 16, and over 130 on the 550SE. Even the basic inexpensive Swift mechanics can easily be set-up to be a docile trainer or right on through to an all out 3D animal, just by using different motors, pinions & ESC's....a very versatile heli indeed. Of course, like any other heli, the radio, servos and gyro also will reflect on how agressive one can set it up to fly.
Check out all the other threads on the Swift here in this forum, and you will find it will come well recommended.
Here, like any other RTF's I have seen, the limiting factor, is the radio and gyro - not the most "sophisticated" on the market, but it is 2.4G. Fortunately, once one uses this RTF for his basic training, he can easily upgrade the servos to something like the relatively inexpensive Futaba S-3151 digitals and the Futaba GY401/9254 gyro/servo combo and have a pretty high performance machine when he is ready for it.
As for a 6S pack with the supplies motor that has a KV of 1440...not recommended. That would mean on the 9T pinion, a 6S (22.2V) pack can deliver a head speed of about 2700!!!! A 2700 head speed is fine (actually almost required) on the smaller mini helis with 325mm blades, due to their relatively high disc loading, but would be dangerous on a heli this big, that uses 520mm mainblades. Any ESC setting that would bring this down to a reasonable head speed would be a setting that is far to low for the ESC to operate efficiently enough to not heat up and burn out.
So I would definitely NOT use a 6S pack with this motor. If you want to use a 6S pack, get the 600+ motor of only 1100KV. With a 9T pinion and an ESC setting of 70%, one should get a much more reasonable head speed...and MAY still keep the 55A ESC provided operating efficiently. But as pointed out earlier by someone else. The provided ESC may only be designed for use with the lower voltage of a 4S pack (14.8V) not the higher coltage of a 6S (22.2V) pack. So one may have to fo to their 55A ESC that is rated for a 6S pack or to their 80A one that can really take a beating and come back with a big smile. :)
Century Heli
Sep 29, 2008, 03:41 PM
The ESC that comes with the Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly is very similar to our 80/100 Electron ESC but rated for less voltage and amps. It is more similar to the 80/100A than our 55/75A ESC.
We've tried 6S on the Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly but the ESC gets very hot. It is "possible" to run a 5S on this ESC but 6S is not recommended.
If you want to move up to 6S, do as rotoraddict suggests and upgrade to the 600A+ motor and 80/100A ESC.
Fred Bronk
Sep 29, 2008, 07:01 PM
Yes, getting one of Century's deals with the 600 motor would be a better way to go if using 6s. The 2z6s2500s is very nice then, but not for the RTF version with the 550 motor.
FB
witstick
Sep 29, 2008, 07:20 PM
Well, test flew today and wasnt impressed. The stock battery was junk, only lasted about 4 min and the top cell puffed which is rediculous, i did not over discharge it, i noticed when i received it it look a little puffed on the top but i thought it was just the shrink wrap, guess not. Secondly,not sure if it was because of the poor battery but i need about 3/4 throttle to hold a hover and definitly not much more power left on top of that. It did seem stable and it was rather breezy here today but the tail has a vibe in it, guess i need to check the balance on the main and tail blades which i should have done i guess to begin with. So the verdict is still out on this one, im gonna try a better battery tommorow and see what that does. At least centurys customer service seems good, they are going to replace my battery when they get mine back.. Chris.
jamesppp
Sep 29, 2008, 07:25 PM
I had a Honey Bee Fixed pitch for 2 or 3 weeks last February and bought a Swift. Im sure glad I did. I didnt have anyone to help me other than you guys in this forum but I was safely able to get it flying . I bought it from a member here. It had a very handfull of hovers only on it and was as new. It came with a single FP 5S 3700 lipo, Z Power 30 and a Castle HV 45 ESC
The scariest thing I did as a newbie was plug up the 5S pack to program the ESC on my desk while hooked to my computer. The instructions said it wouldnt arm..but I wasnt completly sure. When the Deans connector sparked, I almost hurt myself.
I had one crash early on and the only thing that didnt come in the 34.00 crash kit that broke was a 3 dollar blade grip. I had it back in prime flying shape in a few hours.
The next heli I bought was a micro JR cp heli..Im so glad I bought the Swift first. The little rocket JR probably wouldnt have survived my learning curve. Then I bought a Beam and it is a nice heli but I like big...better.
Im building my E-620 Raptor kit right now and just hope I like it as well as I like my Swift...I thank those that guided me to the Swift... I cant think of another heli that could have worked out better for me.
Once you are comfortable flying it, you wont mind upgrading the motor/esc and picking up a couple or a few bigger packs. The first move is the hardest to make. It comes easy after that.
If I can do it, almost anyone can. Im 53 years old...of course I was a young 52 in February when I started this heli thing... If this kit is assembled well, It will be a great setup .
I love to build though. Ive been building kits of flying things all of my life. Contol line, rubber powered, free flight , sailplanes etc but my Swift was already assembled. It was good to know it was put together properly since I had no knowlegeble person to help me.
Great heli,
Jimmy
Century Heli
Sep 29, 2008, 07:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QIxYZeYRVE
Download: Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly Training Gear Demo - Low Quality 13mb (http://www.centuryhelimedia.com/videos/products/SwiftRTF_TrainingGear_LoQ.wmv)
Download: Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly Training Gear Demo - High Quality 82mb (http://www.centuryhelimedia.com/videos/products/SwiftRTF_TrainingGear_HiQ.wmv)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gDgSiJlIpY
Download: Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly Sport Flying Demo - Low Quality 23mb (http://www.centuryhelimedia.com/videos/products/SwiftRTF_Sport_LoQ.wmv)
Download: Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly Sport Flying Demo - High Quality 134mb (http://www.centuryhelimedia.com/videos/products/SwiftRTF_Sport_HiQ.wmv)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ks_JgZg44
Download: Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly 3D Flying Demo with Stage 1 Upgrade- Low Quality 26mb (http://www.centuryhelimedia.com/videos/products/SwiftRTF_3DStage1_LoQ.wmv)
Download: Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly 3D Flying Demo with Stage 1 Upgrade- High Quality 153mb (http://www.centuryhelimedia.com/videos/products/SwiftRTF_3DStage1_HiQ.wmv)
misskimo
Sep 29, 2008, 07:48 PM
man , who is your 3D pilot ? now if you are ganna show a 3D RTF heli to sell. get a good background, A pilots thats not learning 3D. and a better quality video camera.
Century Heli
Sep 29, 2008, 07:50 PM
impromptu video shoot, pilot is high up and was told not to crash Video is to show 3D capability, not pilot skills.
witstick
Sep 29, 2008, 08:49 PM
Hello, Hey Century, this swift doesnt seem to have enough positive pitch it takes 3/4 throttle to hover, thats not right is it? all other helis i have flown hover at 1/2 throttle. And i cant change any setting since the programming sowftware isnt out yet....aghhhhh......... :confused:
Spidious
Sep 29, 2008, 09:02 PM
Ouch at 3:06 on the 3D flying you can hear the tail rotor blades scraping the concrete !
Some better flying skills need to be done in both of them! Then film against a background that you can actually see it against !
Even I can fly better scale then in the film. and I do not consider myself that good !
jamesppp
Sep 29, 2008, 09:02 PM
I set my helis up to 0 pitch at center stick. ASpproximately 5 degrees at 3/4 and 10-11 at full. So yes, many people hover at 3/4 stick.
Fred Bronk
Sep 29, 2008, 10:16 PM
Center stick is an old way to setup a heli for hover.
Center stick is 0 pitch, so 3/4 stick is about right.
FB
Spidious
Sep 29, 2008, 10:52 PM
I had it at half stick before I discovered that if you do any idle up at all it will case the copter to jump.
So always have half throttle at 0°
FrankW
Sep 30, 2008, 01:09 AM
So always have half throttle at 0°
Half throttle? I either run 100% strait across or a governor. I prefer the governor.
-Frank
jamesppp
Sep 30, 2008, 07:33 AM
Half throttle? I either run 100% strait across or a governor. I prefer the governor.
-Frank
Im pretty sure most realize that when he referred to half throttle he was referring to the collective stick position being in the middle or half of its travel. I often refer to it as the throttle stick too. Stick position in the center regardless of actual throttle settings
Spidious
Sep 30, 2008, 08:20 AM
0° at half stick is what I meant....
Airplane term must of leaked out of my brain.....
Mashem Marv
Sep 30, 2008, 10:09 AM
Hello, Hey Century, this swift doesnt seem to have enough positive pitch it takes 3/4 throttle to hover, thats not right is it? all other helis i have flown hover at 1/2 throttle. And i cant change any setting since the programming sowftware isnt out yet....aghhhhh......... :confused:
Just lenthen the colective arms about 2 turns apiece and that will bring the hover closer to center if you want it there. Marv
caeman
Oct 31, 2008, 08:47 AM
Subscribed.
I have been on the hunt for what will be my new heli next spring. I wanted big. I have flown the Honey Bee FP and a few coaxials, but the small sizes made my outside flying difficult.
Thus, I began my search. My need is RTF. I understand that the better radios might very well be worth the money, but I wanted to keep the cost down. I found the Ikarus ECO 7 JetRanger. Good size, hard to find, though. The Blade 400 was current and available, with easy to find parts, but I was hoping for bigger. I found a company that would set up a Hurricane 550 RTF, and with parts being current, it went to the top of my list. And now, the Century Swift RTF. Its price is lower than the Hurricane 550 RTF. Now THIS one is at the top of my wish list.
I wonder if there are any plans for larger RTF electrics from Century that may effect my buying decision come April? Why April? I don't have an indoor place to fly and I don't enjoy flying in the freezing cold.
Heritic
Oct 31, 2008, 12:03 PM
I did advse on Electric helis 12 months ago that this was listed in the UK Century catalogue at 400 UK pounds.
Has been a long time coming but in the right hands (and/or expert assistance with all aspects to put the thing in the air) a bargain.
I put my UK Swift 4S in the air with rubbish sport duration motor bargain Kokham 4S4800 li-Po's GY,401/servo combo and fairly standard servo's , LETON 40A ESCfor 600 UK ponds.
So quite a saving, (same now even with slight airframe cost if bought as seperates)
On par with a kit build 450 size, (but I guess not quite the bargain the Blade 400 is at 250 UK pounds- for a beginner) but the Swift will suit those that like bigger.
Heritic
osterizer
Nov 01, 2008, 12:53 AM
I did advse on Electric helis 12 months ago that this was listed in the UK Century catalogue at 400 UK pounds.
Wow, mine's only 4.5 pounds!
:) yes, I know....
wetwolf
Nov 01, 2008, 01:15 AM
Wow, mine's only 4.5 pounds!
:) yes, I know....
Actually, with the current exchange rate, I think that works out to $5.20 lbs
osterizer
Nov 01, 2008, 01:18 AM
Actually, with the current exchange rate, I think that works out to $5.20 lbs
:D :D How true.
Larren
Nov 01, 2008, 07:27 PM
Hi,
I am not sure about Swift 100 RTF but I can say I do like my Swift 16 and am still flying it. Very smooth.
It is a 6 cell setup with Gaui's 870kv motor, 10 th pinion, 80 amp Electron ESC, stock wood blade, 2500mah Flight Power and 3000mah Zippy. Mild 3d is not a problem.
Century please hear me. We flyers over here get very poor or non part support from our local Century Distributor. Please do something. Many flyers over here were very impress with Swift 16 capability whenever they see me fly. They will always came to me and ask many questions immediately after flying at the local field here but I always told them it is a very good heli but very poor part support.
Larr
uncleTY
Nov 01, 2008, 10:22 PM
LOCKMD is correct that customer service needs some serious work.
Cyclick
Nov 01, 2008, 11:20 PM
Hi,
Century please hear me. We flyers over here get very poor or non part support from our local Century Distributor. Please do something. Many flyers over here were very impress with Swift 16 capability whenever they see me fly. They will always came to me and ask many questions immediately after flying at the local field here but I always told them it is a very good heli but very poor part support.
Larr
I don't know if their management has the time to monitor every forum that may discuss their product (I do not know any manufacturer that does). But I know one of their managers regularly post on the Century forum on RunRyder, and the name he uses is "Cenury-Heli". To insure they get your feedback about their distributor in Malaysia, I would suggest that you do a search for him there, and send him a PM.
osterizer
Nov 01, 2008, 11:40 PM
Century do monitor RCG, and I expect they're keeping track of a thread they started.
They do try to take care of customers, but they have a few challenges it seems. Parts support in Malaysia, for a small U.S. company, I think would be one of the more interesting ones.
Spidious
Nov 02, 2008, 08:48 AM
They monitor this site a lot !
When I posted some questions in my build log, they PM'd me within one day ! And I was not even asking them, just making comments about something I had bought from them !
Greybird
Nov 02, 2008, 10:31 AM
Century has always answered my E-mails quickly, and problems are corrected quickly. I got a spacer that was the wrong size to my door in 2 days.
rotoraddict
Nov 02, 2008, 07:26 PM
Yep, I have found them to have great customer support.
I have been flying glow and gas powered R/C helicopters for many years, and one of my all time favorite US hobby shops, was Rick's (Ron Lund) in Texas. He is a great heli flyer and runs one of the most respected R/C heli shops in the USA...P.S. He has finally started to stock the Swift :)
On his web site blog on Century, when he started to stock their helis about 10 years ago, was a statement by him to the effect that he was so pleased with how they handled things and their service, that the other big name manufacturers should take note.
I subsequently got one of their BIG Predator gassers from Ron and found it to be a very fine heli - the best gasser I have ever owned (and I have had them from most all the big names that make them).
Here I am, many years later, and most of the helis in my fleet (electric, glow, Gas & scale) are now Century helis.
MiKAP
Nov 02, 2008, 10:16 PM
I bought an RTF chicken once (ready to fry).
Tastey.
caeman
Nov 03, 2008, 07:45 AM
I bought an RTF chicken once (ready to fry).
Tastey.
Mmmmmm! RTF Chicken. Nom nom nom nom. ;)
douglas4
Nov 21, 2008, 08:57 PM
well I just read the review article in rchelimag january issue, on the swift rtf package. I have to say. What a bad heli. Not a nice review and from the pics online and in the magazine. Another bad rft package. Bad servos (non replaceable at time of publishing) as it says in the article...bad gyro wont lock the tail. So there we go again rtf have to buy another $200 + for upgrades what are these manufactures thinking. Man what a deplorable hobby this is turning out to be. Im really getting disallusioned with this heli hobby but im not quitting by any means. Im starting to learn..... if you dont buy top of the line equipment (align,protos.mikado,thndrtiger,hirobo etc etc) dont bother with the hobby cause everything else is a waste of money and way to frustrating to fiddle and always be tweaking with to get it to even fly right or decently for that matter. what a mess. :mad:
Greybird
Nov 21, 2008, 09:57 PM
I guess that heli might be aimed at learning to hover guys. That heli is probably right at home with the ping pong ball sticks underneath it. Anyone that has been doing this awhile would never be happy with the radio, servo's, motor, gyro, or battery. The Swift is a great heli. I have 2. A properly set-up Swift is about twice the price of the RTF version. That RTF will get you flying around. Certainly not a 3D monster, but $599 for a 30 size heli is a great price.
osterizer
Nov 21, 2008, 10:46 PM
It's funny- I agree, douglas4, that it would be easier to learn on top end hardware if you can, since it really does work better. However, you don't start off anything by buying a couple thousand dollars worth of helicopter, just to see if you like it.
It is odd that you'd wind up learning on planes/helis that are harder to fly, so that you could move up to the ones that are easier, but that's usually the way it works out for people.
Fred Bronk
Nov 21, 2008, 11:18 PM
Guys, I can assure you that Century monitors this site. I also alert them to issues that come up.
QC and service was a real issue a fews years back. It has gotten better, but non is perfect. I think we are spoiled by CC :D Do call and try to talk to the same person if you can. Antonio is back and knows his stuff.
FB
Cyclick
Nov 21, 2008, 11:55 PM
well I just read the review article in rchelimag january issue, on the swift rtf package. I have to say. What a bad heli. Not a nice review and from the pics online and in the magazine. Another bad rft package. Bad servos (non replaceable at time of publishing) as it says in the article...bad gyro wont lock the tail. So there we go again rtf have to buy another $200 + for upgrades what are these manufactures thinking. Man what a deplorable hobby this is turning out to be. Im really getting disallusioned with this heli hobby but im not quitting by any means. Im starting to learn..... if you dont buy top of the line equipment (align,protos.mikado,thndrtiger,hirobo etc etc) dont bother with the hobby cause everything else is a waste of money and way to frustrating to fiddle and always be tweaking with to get it to even fly right or decently for that matter. what a mess. :mad:
You will note that the "bads" are relative to the radio and gyro - not the helicopter, motor or esc.
That is why I always recommend that, in any given budget, once one has a good heli (Swift) and good power system, then spend as much of the rest on the radio, servos and gyro.
I am a BIG Swift fan, but have not recommended the RTF version for that reason. To keep the price down, they have installed as low cost a radio, as seems viable.
I always recommend one of their Swift combinations that included their 600+ motor with one of their 55A or 80A ESC. Then, one has the basis for the rest.
So if one is on a budget, they can go to a basic Futaba, JR, Airtronics, HiTec or Spectrum radio. Then match that to their lowest cost standard HELI servo, and at least a gyro like the Futaba GY-240. Then one would have as low a priced, decent entry level heli that can swing 520 to 550mm blades. This type of combination would have to be built and set up, but then could be easily set-up to be a gentle trainer like the RTF and then as one progresses, can be set-up for more demanding flight...on up to some pretty good 3D.
Of course it would all cost about $200.00 or more then the RTF.
So I can see how a complete package, built and RTF, for only $599.00 would have to have its' limitations, and probably be fine for initial hover and forward flight training. But let's face it, for one to expect to get a 30 size electric heli, all inclusive, at that cost, to do more, would be a bit too much to ask.
And even if one got the RTF and learned the basics with it, they could then move on to better radio, servos and gyro with the heli and power system that it has. It seems it was developed to be a basic entry level 30 size "stepping stone" and would be good for that purpose.
I haven't seen the review, but if the reviewer expected anything more then that, then he would be at fault IMHO.
Greybird
Nov 22, 2008, 05:30 AM
I would think slow servo's would be great for new flyers. Things happen slower, more time to correct.
douglas4
Nov 22, 2008, 07:39 AM
I have a DX6i and ar6100e and an eflite g110 gyro. Im ready for my third heli. I had the axe cp and learned to hover confidently which wasnt really that hard once it was trimmed out and well balanced and out of ground effect. I sold it then got the cx2 which is way awesome indoors and I fly the bjesus out of it in all orientations. I have the thumbs for this no doubt but Im mostly an RTF type of person. I read rcheli mag every mnth and the uk mag i buy too so im well versed on whats going on and whos who and whats what and how to stuff. Im online every night reading the various forums too. I would consider myself a rc heli pilot at this point. For the money you pay in this hobby you would think manufactures would give you better electronics. Dont even mention the b400 I really dont like that thing. I had a crashed one I bought for $100 and got rid of it after I realized way to much hype for what you get. I wasnt impressed. Trex nada gonna happen either. Im in no rush for my third heli. :)
rotoraddict
Nov 22, 2008, 01:35 PM
douglas4
Please do not take this the wrong way, it is only meant to give you some positive feedback and advice.
You have described your R/C heli experience to date and stated that you now consider yourself an "RC heli pilot at this point" because of all the research you have done.
IMHO, nobody is qualified as an RC helipilot until they have enough hands on experience, flying and setting up RC helicopters so that they are comfable being out of the RTF area.
Here is an analogy. I cannot consider myself a qualified car driver if I read everything about cars so that I know what makes them go forward, backwards and stop, and have driven a number of RTF go-karts...and I do not think the Department of Transport would consider me one either.
Yes, the skills acquired from driving go-karts will help you when you get behind the whell of a full size car, but there you will find they are much different...and like helis...specially in cost of getting them on the road so to speak.
There is only one way to learn what you require to truly be an RC heli pilot...specially of the larger ones (non go-kart type). And that is to get one and learn how to install the appropriate power system and radio gear and how to properly set it up mechanically and to properly set up the radio and gyro.
As the entry level market is always going to be "low price" driven the sacrifice in a larger type of rc heli will be in the radio, the sooner you can take the bull by the horns, and learn the rest that is needed, the sooner you can really consider yourself a true RC heli pilot. Until then I am afraid you may be more of an RC heli info reader and RTF toy heli pilot.
If your preference for RTF helis is due to time constraints, then may I suggest that you get one of the Swift ARF combos suggested by Cyclic. These are relatively easy to get into the air. So it will take up relatively less time then the full kit to get airborne. Then take some of the time you budget for reading mags and the net, and applying some of that acquired knowledge to assemble the items according to the instructions provided with them.
Then believe me, you will have one sweetheart flying machine that will probably be with you for many years. :)
Of course ,you can also get the RTF and get comfortable flying it, then upgrade the radio and gyro gear as suggested.
Spidious
Nov 22, 2008, 03:35 PM
I had a CX2 and in no way really consider it in relationship to a Swift.
Was OK to learn minor directions relationship flying.
But toss in a Swift, even set up with the mild settings I have my Agusta at and I can not see a person even getting it off of the ground and back down with out destroying it. I have been flying for almost a year now and do now really yet consider my self skilled. I still get nervous each time I get the thing up in the air. $$$ flash before my eyes and the chance of hurting someone or worse. That is why I still fly at either a abandoned field at work or in my front yard when nobody else is around.
It will take lots of practice time to be even 25% as skilled as some of the fliers on this site. If I obtain a 75% scale flying, I will be satisfied. Just being able to get it up in the air, keep it under control and back down without crashing make me feel great.
If I had bought this Swift way back when everybody suggest I do. I would be a lot farther along in my flying skills. The ECO8 was never the thing to try and learn to fly on compared to the Swift.
douglas4
Nov 25, 2008, 04:25 AM
douglas4
Please do not take this the wrong way, it is only meant to give you some positive feedback and advice.
None taken. Its all good. I agree. The way things are going for me in this hobby, its so far becoming just a tinkering flying thing. I cant get serious about the hobby due to finances and lack of a car and where I live. Maybe one day Ill be able to get deeper into it as I always wanted too but for now Ill keep my cx2 and look around for somthing else to "play with" so to speak. I only wish things were different for me. *sigh* :) However I do like this new Esky heli coming out..and this new 8" long thing from horizon..?? My problem is Im way too much of an RTF guy and want way less fiddling and tweaking and more instant gratification flying. Ive looked @ the innovator by Thunder Tiger and honestly Im not really impressed by it.
Prime12
Dec 06, 2008, 05:53 PM
Holy heck, I just read the RC Heli review of the RTF version, and I don't think I've read an article that beat on a heli more than that in recent years.
On the other hand, they did say that most problems could be blamed on cheap electronics and that they knew the Swift airframe itself is a solid one.
Greybird
Dec 06, 2008, 08:00 PM
Kepp in mind, they also liked the Walkera#3...
rotoraddict
Dec 07, 2008, 07:52 PM
Yep, that is my take, as stated above.
As the reviewer for that article is not a novice, but a rather accomplished 3D'r. I am sure he is judging according to what he is used to - top notch radio/servos and gyro.
As the radio, servos & gyro supplied are typical of entry level RTF's, they will obviously be the weak links (and I am sure none of the electronics are made by Century). The review was clear in stating those facts, and in stating that the heli, motor and esc where worthy indeed.
cvlex
Dec 11, 2008, 07:23 AM
Swift RTF might be good for beginners to learn to hover outdoor.
If Century carries the RTF with mode 1 tx,
I will strongly recommend this machine to beginners in Japan.
I also want one!
cvlex
mmc205
Dec 11, 2008, 07:44 AM
Building the helicopter is half the fun!!!
J/k, i do enjoy building because i'm a mechanical geek, but i think this is a great product to get new people in the hobby. I had a swift before with similar gear and it was a great heli, pretty tough, and very inexpensive to repair if you do have an incident. I would like to see however this RTF offered in two more versions, RTF minus transmitter and reciever, and RTF minus transmitter and reciever and with upgraded servos and gyro. The second option would of course boost the cost but it would give guys starting out in 3D a RxR heli to fly.
Just an opinion, nice idea overall though, i think this heli is going to make a lot of people happy, i certainly have fond memories of mine....first hover, first loop, first roll, graduating high school...:)
Century Heli
May 01, 2009, 12:44 PM
Updated videos:
Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly using training gear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOo_yXeqsa4
Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly 3D Stage 1 Package:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fc9Dedp_9c
flybye
Jul 14, 2009, 10:17 AM
anyone else flying one of these? I bought one and love it. changed over to fly it on my dx7 and upgraded the tail servo and she flies nice. I love the size and stability and she has really helped me in learning to fly better.
dswitkin
Jul 14, 2009, 03:08 PM
I have the kit and enjoy it. I put two 6S 4900 packs through it this morning. I can get 10-12 minutes of forward flight with a mild headspeed and 520 blades. You're right, it's a great trainer.
Daniel
flybye
Jul 14, 2009, 03:51 PM
wow! 6s, im still reeling from my 4s pack purchase. I would like to get to that level though, it seems like what most upgrade to. when I bought my 4s 5300 packs I spent about 400.00 for two packs, 8-9 min flight each.
dswitkin
Jul 14, 2009, 08:16 PM
Ouch. Yeah, I bought the Rhino 6S 4900 packs from Hobby City. They were $111 each at the time, and have gotten cheaper since. I never would have gotten into large helicopters if not for that site. With the Scorpion HK-4020-910 motor and 9T pinion I was easily able to get 12 minutes per pack, using about 75% of the capacity.
I think the higher voltage is a good way to go. It's more efficient and everything runs cooler. Plus, if a T-Rex 450 takes 3S packs, it seems only right that a heli three times the weight (or more) should double the voltage. For me the only bummer is that my Cellpro 10S charger can only do one 6S pack at a time. If I had gone 5S (with the 1100 KV motor instead), my charging time would have been halved.
Anyway, no need to change what's working for you until it starts to hold you back. Good luck if/when you upgrade.
Daniel
flybye
Jul 14, 2009, 10:56 PM
well it will be awile before I feel the need to upgrade batts. I am quite happy with the way it flys. anyway, I do need a better gyro and servos down the road, so Ill get those first, thanks,
scott.
ARCHER7153
Aug 13, 2009, 08:41 AM
Updated videos:
Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly using training gear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOo_yXeqsa4
Swift 100% Ready-to-Fly 3D Stage 1 Package:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fc9Dedp_9c
Will your company offer a reciever ready Swift.
flybye
Aug 13, 2009, 01:25 PM
they somewhat do, no radio or receiver.
heli-world.com
look at helis/electric/large/swift rtf and pnp.
RvMan56
Nov 22, 2009, 09:53 PM
:D So for a beginner this a great chopper?
Rvman56
osterizer
Nov 22, 2009, 10:28 PM
The Swift is an excellent heli to start with if you have the space. You really should use training gear (as in the video), and it's a great help if you have someone to help you who has helii experience.
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