Super Tiger Moth Hobby Lobby Build

[D.B. Hooper]

I have my super tiger moth on it's way! Will power with 12s A123. Has anyone built of flown this plane?

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/supertigermoth.htm

I'll post a detailed build report along with a video.

[D.B. Hooper]

I have my super tiger moth on it's way! Will power with 12s A123. Has anyone built of flown this plane?

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/supertigermoth.htm

I'll post a detailed build report along with a video.




Fly RC Has a flight report in the November issue.

Glad this came out before I started my build, sounds like their's a few minor modifications to make.
Knowing this ahead of time will hopefully save me a few head scratchers :p Over all they gave the Tiger Moth a very good review.

Hope to get mine in my hands next week. :)

[BoneDoc]

Sounds cool. Be sure to post pictures.

[D.B. Hooper]

It's here!

Wow! this is a work of art. I can't believe the quality of the covering! It's flawless!

[D.B. Hooper]

It's here!

Wow! this is a work of art. I can't believe the quality of the covering! It's flawless!


Ok the manual sucks big time! What a :censored: joke!


I tried to call tech support but only get "please leave a message!
Who O why do they send models out with such :censored: garbage for assembly manuals!

[BoneDoc]

Looks like you had no problem putting it together though :D. Good work.

[capngrog]

#1 C.T.;

I've always liked the Gypsy/Tiger Moth aircraft and read the review in Fly RC with interest. I'm with you: I don't know why a manufacturer would produce such an otherwise excellent ARF and come up with a lousy assembly manual! Good luck with your assembly I (and I'm sure others) will be following closely.

One thing puzzled me about the article in Fly RC, and I see the same thing on your Super Tiger Moth. What is that tent lookin' thing on the rear cockpit? I've looked at many pictures of Tiger Moths but have never seen anything like that. Is it supposed to be some kind of an IFR (IMC) hood or weather enclosure?

Regards,
Grog

[steve1814]

. Is it supposed to be some kind of an IFR (IMC) hood or weather enclosure?

Regards,
Grog

Grog,

You are 100% correct. It is a IFR hood.

Cheers,
Steve

[Tim Wolff]

What was the deal with the struts in the pics you deleted? Had Interplane struts in backward or something making the cabanes look too tall?

[D.B. Hooper]

What was the deal with the struts in the pics you deleted? Had Interplane struts in backward or something making the cabanes look too tall?

I was hoping you didn't see that! The struts are aerodynamically designed, I had some backward :rolleyes:

Really most everything fits very well. I got the flying wires attached today. This is a very impressive plane!

The clevises are junk! I had three break as soon as I tried to open them. They look like good ones but just cheap metal I guess. Also the threads are metric so finding a clevis to fit here in the USA will be hard.

The manual ha ha ha! :confused: It's for the prototype and quite different than the improved model I got. The addendum's as well are for the prototype.
Looking at the photo's on the box helped but also it not the same as the one in the box I got! Not one word about the electric conversion!

They made a lot of improvements in the updated model I have, especially the cabanes and struts. I'll post more photos tomorrow.

All in all I'm very happy with the plane and the quality.

[D.B. Hooper]

Grog,

You are 100% correct. It is a IFR hood.

Cheers,
Steve

I was wondering about that too. Thanks

[D.B. Hooper]

Looks like you had no problem putting it together though :D. Good work.


Thanks Doc! This is the biggest and most complex ARF I have assembled so far. You might have already noticed but I'm fairly new to the hobby ;)

[D.B. Hooper]

Here's some more photo's

[warhead_71]

C'mon... it's Bert&Ernie OR Tigger & Pooh... you can't just mix Sesame Street with Hundred-Acre Forest!!!

Other acceptable options include Snoopy&Woodstock, Wallace& Sprocket, Mickey&Minnie... etc. :)

I found another good source for furry critter "pilots" is finger-puppets... which already have no legs or stuffing - so they weigh almost nothing. For instance, I have a pair of tigers for my GWS TM400, and a brown bear for my Piper Cub.

Looking good - keep the pics coming!

[steve1814]

C'mon... it's Bert&Ernie OR Tigger & Pooh... you can't just mix Sesame Street with Hundred-Acre Forest!!!

Other acceptable options include Wallace& Sprocket,
Looking good - keep the pics coming!


Arrggh - It's Hundred Acre Wood and Wallace and GROMIT :p;)

[warhead_71]

oops - my bad. Sprocket was the name of the dog on Fraggle Rock (http://www.geocities.com/sprocketFR/) .

[D.B. Hooper]

C'mon... it's Bert&Ernie OR Tiger & Pooh... you can't just mix Sesame Street with Hundred-Acre Forest!!!

Other acceptable options include Snoopy&Woodstock, Wallace& Sprocket, Mickey&Minnie... etc. :)

I found another good source for furry critter "pilots" is finger-puppets... which already have no legs or stuffing - so they weigh almost nothing. For instance, I have a pair of tigers for my GWS TM400, and a brown bear for my Piper Cub.

Looking good - keep the pics coming!

I was looking for Goofy but no luck. Since this is an election year I wanted to represent both Democrats and Republicans. Guess which one is which!

Had a few delays in my build... The weather has been so nice I had to fly!
I dumped all the hardware that came with the plane. (junk)
I went with 70LB stainless steal fishing leader for the flying wires (Toothy Critter) and Sullivan Gold-N Clevises. Will also make up new push rods and clevises for the Ailerons.

I got the motor and speed control mounted and should have the AR6200 in today. I hope to be finished next week. :)

[D.B. Hooper]

I did some tests with my Watts up meter and the A123 10s with 20x10 prop. : 890 wp 29.6AP 29.9VM

After making a few 10 sec full throttle runs it was putting out around 700 watts.

Looking at the review in Fly RC Nov issue I see in the specs they have listed:, 10s lipo 58amps, 2186.6 watts.

My question will 890 watts fly the 11.4 pound Tiger Moth?

[D.B. Hooper]

My question will 890 watts fly the 11.4 pound Tiger Moth?[/QUOTE]

OK I hooked up two more cells for a total of 12 cells.
1558 watts 51 amps. This will definitely fly this plane! :eek: I thought it would break my hold down rope!

[simano]

My question will 890 watts fly the 11.4 pound Tiger Moth?

OK I hooked up two more cells for a total of 12 cells.
1558 watts 51 amps. This will definitely fly this plane! :eek: I thought it would break my hold down rope![/QUOTE]

Crash Tester,

Here's a fairly time proven rule of thumb to figure out the watts per pound required for different styles of flying depending on the type airplane:

50 watts/lb...for scale like flying on airplanes of the style of the J-3 CUB, Aeronca Champ, tame biplanes like the Tiger Moth.

70 watts/lb...for sport like flying and realistic aerobatics. Planes like the E-Flite Pulse, scale aerobatic biplanes, warbirds with scale like flying characteristics.

100 watts/lb...extreme aerobatics like Pitts Specials, Extras etc, 3D like the Funtana,

So, based on this, your priginal 890 watts would equate to 78 watts/lb. (890 divided by 11.4 pounds) which would give you great performance while keeping your amps low.

I hope this helps.

Gerry.

[BoneDoc]

I highly doubt that 100 watts / lb will do 3D or other "extreme" aerobatics, but for sure will fly the plane nicely :D.

[D.B. Hooper]

I highly doubt that 100 watts / lb will do 3D or other "extreme" aerobatics, but for sure will fly the plane nicely :D.

Thanks for the input everyone :)

I'm fairly new to this hobby (noob) I skipped a lot work this year and got in three years of flying in one spring and summer. I started out with an Air Hog from the toy store and ended up with the Tiger Moth :eek:

I can't believe it fit in my car!

[ElectRick]

I highly doubt that 100 watts / lb will do 3D or other "extreme" aerobatics, but for sure will fly the plane nicely :D.

That all depends on how much of that 100w/lb. is being converted to usable thrust, I'd imagine. ;)

That said, 100w/lb. would still be way overkill for such a design as this. My big GP electric PT-17 flies just fine, with reasonable 'normal' aerobatic capability, at a calculated 76w/lb at WOT (not needed very often), at 12.9 lb. AUW.

I suspect the Moth would fly very scalelike on 50-60 w/lb. It ain't an Ultimate, or a Pitts, or a YAK 54. It never ceases to amaze me why people insist on obscenely overpowering these old classic biplanes as if they were.

Just my 2c. :)

Rick

[D.B. Hooper]

That all depends on how much of that 100w/lb. is being converted to usable thrust, I'd imagine. ;)

That said, 100w/lb. would still be way overkill for such a design as this. My big GP electric PT-17 flies just fine, with reasonable 'normal' aerobatic capability, at a calculated 76w/lb at WOT (not needed very often), at 12.9 lb. AUW.

I suspect the Moth would fly very scalelike on 50-60 w/lb. It ain't an Ultimate, or a Pitts, or a YAK 54. It never ceases to amaze me why people insist on obscenely overpowering these old classic biplanes as if they were.

Just my 2c. :)

Rick

2100 watts is Hobby Lobbys recommendation for the Tiger Moth. I plan on flying this plane in a scale like fashion.

When I did my bench test 800 watts had lots of pull.
I'm thinking I might get longer flight times with the 12sA123 flying in scale like manor. In The Fly RC test they where getting 20+ Min. If I can get 10 Min's with the 12sA123 that's fine for me.

[edible_engine]

100W/lb for 3D, no thanks im a 300W/lb man :D

[ElectRick]

2100 watts is Hobby Lobbys recommendation for the Tiger Moth. I plan on flying this plane in a scale like fashion.

That works out to 147 w/lb. for HL's advertised AUW for the plane (14.25 lb.). :eek:

There are many purpose-built 3D planes that don't have that kind of power loading. Is it overkill for a scale Golden Age biplane trainer? You bet it is, by at least double. :rolleyes:

Of course, such a grossly overestimated recommended power loading certainly facilitates HL selling you a bigger motor, ESC, and battery, doesn't it? ;)

There's a method to their madness. :D

Rick

[jimsstuff1]

Hi CT, Have you got the Moth up yet? How is the combo motor ,esc and batterys doing? I have been doing some homework on motors, 123, esc, that can carry the load, voltage, and other problems that might come up with a system to get this airplane up and away. Let us know whats up. Thanks for the post-pictures and all the infor you have shared so far with us. Jim

[D.B. Hooper]

Hi CT, Have you got the Moth up yet? How is the combo motor ,esc and batterys doing? I have been doing some homework on motors, 123, esc, that can carry the load, voltage, and other problems that might come up with a system to get this airplane up and away. Let us know whats up. Thanks for the post-pictures and all the infor you have shared so far with us. Jim


Sorry to leave everyone hanging. Been busy flying my Reactor Bipe :D
Between work and goofing off I did make some progress. I put in a JR charge switch jack, ESC switch, receiver battery. After running my A123's dead in my Pulse 60 I'll be using receiver batteries in all my planes. I use 2.4 Spektrum AR6200.
Just need to do some fine tuning here and there.
I have a Xoar wood prop coming along with some scale gages for the dash.
I'll have my first flight on video.

[D.B. Hooper]

Hi CT, Have you got the Moth up yet? How is the combo motor ,esc and batterys doing? I have been doing some homework on motors, 123, esc, that can carry the load, voltage, and other problems that might come up with a system to get this airplane up and away. Let us know whats up. Thanks for the post-pictures and all the infor you have shared so far with us. Jim


Well it took me a while to get this bird in the air! Got busy with a few other projects :rolleyes:

I took a few quick clips of the first two flights I made today.

I flew with 10c A123. It did ok on the 10c but I was at 3/4 throttle a lot. I think I'll try12c A123 next time out.
Still have some fine tuning to do but all in all it flew great! Very easy take off and landing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkmjcVWKVDU&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKyrCZhZwsM&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zlb9pIW7_o&feature=channel_page

[santeepat]

Crash,

My buddy and I built a 72" 12lb Dymond Tiger Moth a few months back w/ similar thrust and amps as yours and it flies like a trainer :) :) .

Good job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ_eMHIYRAU&feature=channel_page

[D.B. Hooper]

Crash,

My buddy and I built a 72" 12lb Dymond Tiger Moth a few months back w/ similar thrust and amps as yours and it flies like a trainer :) :) .

Good job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ_eMHIYRAU&feature=channel_page

Nice video Pat is that the flycam2?
I'm planning on getting a cam for the Tiger Moth.

[santeepat]

Yes it is...I love those things.

[lempert]

Very goog job. I want a Tiger moth for a long time. How much time does it take to assemble it in the field ?
thanks

[D.B. Hooper]

Very goog job. I want a Tiger moth for a long time. How much time does it take to assemble it in the field ?
thanks

The Tiger Moth sets up in about 10 min's. Just slide the wings on and install two set screws that's it!
I'm getting ready to load it up and fly today. Got two Rhino 5s 4900 mAh lipos from Hobby city. Hooked them up last night with my watts up meter at 3/4 throttle it put out 1780 watts! :eek: 47 amps with an Xoar 21x10 wood prop.

[D.B. Hooper]

The Tiger Moth sets up in about 10 min's. Just slide the wings on and install two set screws that's it!
I'm getting ready to load it up and fly today. Got two Rhino 5s 4900 mAh lipos from Hobby city. Hooked them up last night with my watts up meter at 3/4 throttle it put out 1780 watts! :eek: 47 amps with an Xoar 20x10 wood prop.


Looks like the Atlas 90amp speed control is shutting down.
Before I took off I powered up to 3/4 throttle for just a few seconds when it did shutter a bit, not like the pulsing you would get when the battery is low. I think the speed control is shutting down even though I'm at less than 50 amps. I flew at less than half throttle for about six minutes when it did the same thing so I came around and landed. When I recharged it only used 1480 mAh.

I'll call hobbie lobby and see what they say. I made sure I set the ESC with the program card to 10s. I may go for the CC85HV ESC but hate to fork out $175 dollars!

After I flew with the lipos I put in my 10s A123 and it worked fine but at 36V the they don't match the power of lipos. I think 12s A123 will get me plenty of power.

[D.B. Hooper]

Looks like the Atlas 90amp speed control is shutting down.
Before I took off I powered up to 3/4 throttle for just a few seconds when it did shutter a bit, not like the pulsing you would get when the battery is low. I think the speed control is shutting down even though I'm at less than 50 amps. I flew at less than half throttle for about six minutes when it did the same thing so I came around and landed. When I recharged it only used 1480 mAh.

I'll call hobbie lobby and see what they say. I made sure I set the ESC with the program card to 10s. I may go for the CC85HV ESC but hate to fork out $175 dollars!

After I flew with the lipos I put in my 10s A123 and it worked fine but at 36V the they don't match the power of lipos. I think 12s A123 will get me plenty of power.

I put in a 85 Amp HV CC ESC did a bench test with the 20x10 ACP prop. No problems, 1800 watts 51 amps
Looks like the weather is going to be great this weekend so I get lots of air time :D .

Hobby Lobby was very quick to reply and I have sent in the Atlas 90 amp ESC to have it checked out.

[lempert]

That's it ! I just ordered from Hobby Lobby the Super Tiger Moth.
Hmmmm 8S or 10S 5000 MAH ?
(I think i will go for an AXI motor)

[flyingwing12]

you guys shouldn't be paying hobby-lobby's ridiculous prices.

go to graysonhobby or hobbycity.

i bought a 5 cell 3000Mah for 42 dollars!!

[D.B. Hooper]

you guys shouldn't be paying hobby-lobby's ridiculous prices.

go to graysonhobby or hobbycity.

i bought a 5 cell 3000Mah for 42 dollars!!

I'm using Rhino 5sp2 4900 from hobby city $67 each

[lempert]

I buy my packs here:
http://www.rclipos.com/

[lempert]

Hi. Today I got the kit. This is a huge kit !
I intend to fly it with 8s and Hacker A50 16L.
There is no instructions how to install an electric motor or batteries but they supplied a motor mount.
There is an instruction manual and instruction manual addendum that should correct the manual.
D.B Hooper, is there any recommendations or warnings you can tell me before I assemble this kit ?
thanks
Ido

[D.B. Hooper]

Hi. Today I got the kit. This is a huge kit !
I intend to fly it with 8s and Hacker A50 16L.
There is no instructions how to install an electric motor or batteries but they supplied a motor mount.
There is an instruction manual and instruction manual addendum that should correct the manual.
D.B Hooper, is there any recommendations or warnings you can tell me before I assemble this kit ?
thanks
Ido

Yes the manual sucks so do the addendums! Take a look at my build photos.
The tricky part was the cabanes and struts. Make sure you have the leading and trailing edges right. Mine is flying very well on two 5s4900 mAh Rhino,s
15min flights no problem.

[lempert]

hi

My friend and I just finished the model.
However there is a major problem:
There is nothing that connect the wings to the fuselage.
Only the tubes are keeping the wings in place.
What hold and secure the wings to the fuselage ???

Thanks!!!

Ido

p.s
I did not install yet the wires that go between the upper and the lower wings.

[lempert]

Well, Here is mine. fly on 8S with 16/8 prop.

[D.B. Hooper]

Well, Here is mine. fly on 8S with 16/8 prop.

Looks great Ido! Good job.

I've been flying my Moth a lot lately and I love it! I'm using 10's zippy's from Hong Kong and they are working very well. I also fly with two 5's 4900 Rhinos for Hobby city.
I got rid of the Atlas and am using an AXI 53/20/28 with an Xoar 21x10
It will go straight vertical if I want. Very acrobatic .
Why would you fly a Tiger Moth like this :confused: Because it's FUN! :D
Or if I feel like it I can fly very slow and scale. Very happy with this plane. Here's some photo's
D. B. Hooper

http://www.youtube.com/user/humabdos#p/a/u/2/OKyrCZhZwsM