Price difference

[nospam]

Hello,

Would you know why there are big price differences
between Europe and the States?

I have noticed that this difference exists especially
for cars and not for planes.

In the States, prices in shops are closed to Tower's
prices or there are also big differences (almost double)?

Thanks in advance for your answers,

[wim]

Hi,
I have noticed the same thing and I asked HPI (being interested in HPI Nitro
RS4
MT, it is almost 100% more expensive in NL compared to the US), they told me
it
is all because of tax differences.


"nospam" <nospam@antispam.com> schreef in bericht
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> Hello,
>
> Would you know why there are big price differences
> between Europe and the States?
>
> I have noticed that this difference exists especially
> for cars and not for planes.
>
> In the States, prices in shops are closed to Tower's
> prices or there are also big differences (almost double)?
>
> Thanks in advance for your answers,
>

[Paul - xxx]

nospam deftly scribbled:

> Hello,
>
> Would you know why there are big price differences
> between Europe and the States?
>
> I have noticed that this difference exists especially
> for cars and not for planes.
>
> In the States, prices in shops are closed to Tower's
> prices or there are also big differences (almost double)?
>
> Thanks in advance for your answers,

Taxes and volume sales.

--
....................................Paul-xxx
Seti 1411 wu in 10202 hours
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
http://graffiti.virgin.net/ar.sole/Index.htm

[nospam]

It can not be because of tax.
In Switzerland the taxes are 7.5%, which is not 100%.
If it was because of taxes planes would also be
much more expensive.


wim wrote:
> Hi,
> I have noticed the same thing and I asked HPI (being interested in HPI Nitro
> RS4
> MT, it is almost 100% more expensive in NL compared to the US), they told me
> it
> is all because of tax differences.
>
>
> "nospam" <nospam@antispam.com> schreef in bericht
> news:3E491049.1030604@antispam.com...
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Would you know why there are big price differences
>>between Europe and the States?
>>
>>I have noticed that this difference exists especially
>>for cars and not for planes.
>>
>>In the States, prices in shops are closed to Tower's
>>prices or there are also big differences (almost double)?
>>
>>Thanks in advance for your answers,
>>
>
>
>

[Justin Mahn]

Maybe you're having to pay the retailers and manufacturers for the trouble
of maintaining a supply line from a different hemisphere?


"nospam" <nospam@antispam.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> It can not be because of tax.
> In Switzerland the taxes are 7.5%, which is not 100%.
> If it was because of taxes planes would also be
> much more expensive.
>
>
> wim wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have noticed the same thing and I asked HPI (being interested in HPI
Nitro
> > RS4
> > MT, it is almost 100% more expensive in NL compared to the US), they
told me
> > it
> > is all because of tax differences.
> >
> >
> > "nospam" <nospam@antispam.com> schreef in bericht
> > news:3E491049.1030604@antispam.com...
> >
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>Would you know why there are big price differences
> >>between Europe and the States?
> >>
> >>I have noticed that this difference exists especially
> >>for cars and not for planes.
> >>
> >>In the States, prices in shops are closed to Tower's
> >>prices or there are also big differences (almost double)?
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance for your answers,
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

[Bubba]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:50:39 +0100, nospam <nospam@antispam.com>
wrote:

>
>
>It can not be because of tax.
>In Switzerland the taxes are 7.5%, which is not 100%.
>If it was because of taxes planes would also be
>much more expensive.

Well, if someone were to ask real nice, someone over here might be
persuaded to ship a kit (or whatever) over for the costs involved and
call it a "gift" to avoid import duties. Wouldn't work for radios
since, most likely, the frequency wouldn't be right, but motors, ESCs,
kits, etc. wouldn't be a problem.

Bubba
Losi xXx-S- Nekkid right now
HPI Micro RS4- For sale
AE RC10LSS- Also for sale:
http://home.swbell.net/lt1_z28/rc10lss_for_sale.htm

[Keybaud]

>>It can not be because of tax.
>>In Switzerland the taxes are 7.5%, which is not 100%.
>>If it was because of taxes planes would also be
>>much more expensive.
>
>Well, if someone were to ask real nice, someone over here might be
>persuaded to ship a kit (or whatever) over for the costs involved and
>call it a "gift" to avoid import duties. Wouldn't work for radios
>since, most likely, the frequency wouldn't be right, but motors, ESCs,
>kits, etc. wouldn't be a problem.

The problem is that even if it is a gift bought in the USA and shipped
to Europe the product is liable to a number of charges. Theses are
import duty and sales tax (VAT in UK). This is added to the item and
any P&P charges.

Using an import duty of 15% and sales tax of 15% here are the extra
costs for a $200 dollar item with $20 P&P (These % values are guesses)

Item $200
Shipping $ 20
Import Duty $ 33 (15% of $220)
Sales Tax $ 39 (15% of $258)
Actual cost $289 for a $200 item.

These charges are often at the discretion of the postal system, so if
yours isn't very efficient, you wont get billed. In the UK there is
also a value below which you wont get charged tax, which I think is
about £35 or $55.

Simon

[Ucho]

Hi there
I'm new to this group, and I live in Europe (Portugal)
I asked myself this same quastion when I saw Tower's prices compared to
local hobby stores.
Then I started looking at European products (Multiplex, GS, R&B, Graupner),
and noticed the prices aren't very different from equivalent products in the
USA! For example, I just bought a Multiplex high-end digital servo (0,09s,
62oz, programmable) for EUR 80... I'm putting it in my GS Vision Pro racing
kit that costed 370 EUR... the top R&B motor costs 300 EUR...

Looking at Kyosho, Futaba, HPI, etc, they are way, way out of this price
range, but the quality is more or less the same.

"nospam" <nospam@antispam.com> escreveu na mensagem
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> Hello,

> Would you know why there are big price differences
> between Europe and the States?

> I have noticed that this difference exists especially
> for cars and not for planes.

> In the States, prices in shops are closed to Tower's
> prices or there are also big differences (almost double)?

> Thanks in advance for your answers,

[Garry P]

"Paul - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> nospam deftly scribbled:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Would you know why there are big price differences
> > between Europe and the States?
> >
> > I have noticed that this difference exists especially
> > for cars and not for planes.
> >
> > In the States, prices in shops are closed to Tower's
> > prices or there are also big differences (almost double)?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your answers,
>
> Taxes and volume sales.
>
> --
> ...................................Paul-xxx
> Seti 1411 wu in 10202 hours
> http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
> http://graffiti.virgin.net/ar.sole/Index.htm
>
>
I believe the tax should be no more than about 2.5% (import duty) but then
add 17.5% on top for VAT (for UK) - still not 100% more though.
There is at least 1 UK company I have seen on the web who sell their goods
for a little more than half in the US than they sell them in the UK. Don't
know how that works....

I have emailed 2 companies asking why the price difference is so high and
got answers of...

1/ Prices typically reflect the market and it is up to retailers to set the
prices to the end user.
2/ In the US they work to different margins and they work closer to the
buyers - there are less middlemen.

I have my own ideas of how to interpret those comments.

Can't really comment on volume sales though - don't know how many of any
particular product are sold in US against Europe. Still seems a large
difference to be accounted for by volume alone though, particularly if the
kits don't differ in spec between Europe and US.

Not that much I can do about it though as far as I can see except buy over
the net....but shipping can kill the saving made on a small order.
Or I could leave the hobby - but that is not an option ;0) (feel ill just
thinking about it)

Garry

[Paul - xxx]

Garry P deftly scribbled:

> "Paul - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b2b5mk$1a089i$2@ID-137265.news.dfncis.de...
>> nospam deftly scribbled:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Would you know why there are big price differences
>>> between Europe and the States?
>>>
>>> I have noticed that this difference exists especially
>>> for cars and not for planes.
>>>
>>> In the States, prices in shops are closed to Tower's
>>> prices or there are also big differences (almost double)?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your answers,
>>
>> Taxes and volume sales.
>>
>> --
>> ...................................Paul-xxx
>> Seti 1411 wu in 10202 hours
>> http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
>> http://graffiti.virgin.net/ar.sole/Index.htm
>>
>>
> I believe the tax should be no more than about 2.5% (import duty) but
> then add 17.5% on top for VAT (for UK) - still not 100% more though.
> There is at least 1 UK company I have seen on the web who sell their
> goods for a little more than half in the US than they sell them in
> the UK. Don't know how that works....
>
> I have emailed 2 companies asking why the price difference is so high
> and got answers of...
>
> 1/ Prices typically reflect the market and it is up to retailers to
> set the prices to the end user.
> 2/ In the US they work to different margins and they work closer to
> the buyers - there are less middlemen.
>
> I have my own ideas of how to interpret those comments.
>
> Can't really comment on volume sales though - don't know how many of
> any particular product are sold in US against Europe. Still seems a
> large difference to be accounted for by volume alone though,
> particularly if the kits don't differ in spec between Europe and US.

European sales for Losi Triple X were around 5 thousand.

US sales of Losi Triple x (Same model) were around 21 thousand
(I am reliably informed)

You do the maths ..


> Not that much I can do about it though as far as I can see except buy
> over the net....but shipping can kill the saving made on a small
> order. Or I could leave the hobby - but that is not an option ;0)
> (feel ill just thinking about it)
>
> Garry



--
....................................Paul-xxx
Seti 1417 wu in 10303 hours
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
http://graffiti.virgin.net/ar.sole/Index.htm

[nospam]

Keybaud wrote:
>>>It can not be because of tax.
>>>In Switzerland the taxes are 7.5%, which is not 100%.
>>>If it was because of taxes planes would also be
>>>much more expensive.
>>
>>Well, if someone were to ask real nice, someone over here might be
>>persuaded to ship a kit (or whatever) over for the costs involved and
>>call it a "gift" to avoid import duties. Wouldn't work for radios
>>since, most likely, the frequency wouldn't be right, but motors, ESCs,
>>kits, etc. wouldn't be a problem.
>
>
> The problem is that even if it is a gift bought in the USA and shipped
> to Europe the product is liable to a number of charges. Theses are
> import duty and sales tax (VAT in UK). This is added to the item and
> any P&P charges.
>
> Using an import duty of 15% and sales tax of 15% here are the extra
> costs for a $200 dollar item with $20 P&P (These % values are guesses)
>
> Item $200
> Shipping $ 20
> Import Duty $ 33 (15% of $220)
> Sales Tax $ 39 (15% of $258)
> Actual cost $289 for a $200 item.
>
> These charges are often at the discretion of the postal system, so if
> yours isn't very efficient, you wont get billed. In the UK there is
> also a value below which you wont get charged tax, which I think is
> about £35 or $55.
>

In Switzerland it is the same except that I am not aware of import duty.
The only thing you have to add is the vat which is much lower than in
UK as it is 7.5%.
When I buy things lower than 100$ there are no charge has the VAT is
considered low enough not to be charged.
When the amount is higher I only have to pay 7.5% for vat + 6$ for
custom work.

For the shipping, if you take a kyosho car, it should cost the same
to ship it the USA or Europe because it is coming from Japan.
Therefore it should not be considered.

> Simon
>

Anyway thanks for your answer.

[nospam]

> 1/ Prices typically reflect the market and it is up to retailers to set the
> prices to the end user.
> 2/ In the US they work to different margins and they work closer to the
> buyers - there are less middlemen.
>

I think that you must be right. This is what I was suspecting.
The competition for RC car must be much lower in the States than
in Europe.
The price difference may be due to higher margins for grossists
and retailers and little bit because of volume.


> I have my own ideas of how to interpret those comments.
>
> Can't really comment on volume sales though - don't know how many of any
> particular product are sold in US against Europe. Still seems a large
> difference to be accounted for by volume alone though, particularly if the
> kits don't differ in spec between Europe and US.
>
> Not that much I can do about it though as far as I can see except buy over
> the net....but shipping can kill the saving made on a small order.
> Or I could leave the hobby - but that is not an option ;0) (feel ill just
> thinking about it)

Of course, I was speaking about buying for more than 150$.

>
> Garry
>
>

[nospam]

Ucho wrote:
> Hi there
> I'm new to this group, and I live in Europe (Portugal)
> I asked myself this same quastion when I saw Tower's prices compared to
> local hobby stores.
> Then I started looking at European products (Multiplex, GS, R&B, Graupner),
> and noticed the prices aren't very different from equivalent products in the
> USA! For example, I just bought a Multiplex high-end digital servo (0,09s,
> 62oz, programmable) for EUR 80... I'm putting it in my GS Vision Pro racing
> kit that costed 370 EUR... the top R&B motor costs 300 EUR...
>
> Looking at Kyosho, Futaba, HPI, etc, they are way, way out of this price
> range, but the quality is more or less the same.
>

I am not speaking about different product.
I have based my price difference on exactly the same car:
USA CH
Kyosho Dodge ram 165$+Tax(12$) 435$
Megaforce 350$+Tax(24$) 600$
TMaxx 400$+Tax(28$) 750$

There is also something I do not understand well.
Why will it be much cheaper for me to buy proline tires than kyosho tires?
Is there really a big quality difference?

[wim]

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> "Paul - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > nospam deftly scribbled:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Would you know why there are big price differences
> > > between Europe and the States?
> > >
> > > I have noticed that this difference exists especially
> > > for cars and not for planes.
> > >
> > > In the States, prices in shops are closed to Tower's
> > > prices or there are also big differences (almost double)?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for your answers,
> >
> > Taxes and volume sales.
> >
> > --
> > ...................................Paul-xxx
> > Seti 1411 wu in 10202 hours
> > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
> > http://graffiti.virgin.net/ar.sole/Index.htm
> >
> >
> I believe the tax should be no more than about 2.5% (import duty) but then
> add 17.5% on top for VAT (for UK) - still not 100% more though.
> There is at least 1 UK company I have seen on the web who sell their goods
> for a little more than half in the US than they sell them in the UK.
Don't
> know how that works....
>
> I have emailed 2 companies asking why the price difference is so high and
> got answers of...
>
> 1/ Prices typically reflect the market and it is up to retailers to set
the
> prices to the end user.
> 2/ In the US they work to different margins and they work closer to the
> buyers - there are less middlemen.
>
> I have my own ideas of how to interpret those comments.
>
> Can't really comment on volume sales though - don't know how many of any
> particular product are sold in US against Europe. Still seems a large
> difference to be accounted for by volume alone though, particularly if the
> kits don't differ in spec between Europe and US.
>
> Not that much I can do about it though as far as I can see except buy over
> the net....but shipping can kill the saving made on a small order.
> Or I could leave the hobby - but that is not an option ;0) (feel ill just
> thinking about it)

I'm not into the hobby yet ...

>
> Garry
>
>