Jeti 2.4GHz Radio System

[ricoalonso]

Hello:
Does Hobby-Lobby have any plans of carrying/selling the Jeti 2.4GHz Radio System as mentioned in this thread? http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=917531

Thanks,
Rico.

[Gordito Volador]

Rico,

That is a good question. I sure hope that they will carry these. I like Jeti products, they have always worked well for me. Hey Mike are you reading the Forum? Inquiring minds need to know!

Regards, Bill

[Flyboone]

Hey guys,
We are waiting on samples from Jeti test. It sounds like it will be a pretty cool system that will enable things like servo slow down (for retracts or flaps, etc.) and mixing to be done through a SPIN BOX that will work with standard transmitters. We'll know more when we test it out.

Thanks,
Jason Cole
Hobby-Lobby

[ricoalonso]

Bill/Jason
Thank you for keeping the thread alive, followup and update. Looking forward to read more about it.

^R^

[Gordito Volador]

Jason,

Yipieeeeeee! Please keep us up to date, I hope the tests go well.

Rico,

We will have to keep ourselves tuned in on this.

Regards, Bill

[ricoalonso]

Jason,
Looks like the other Jeti 2.4GHz thread (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=917531) is getting busy lately. I hope your shop is getting some samples soon and tell us your own test results. What I'd like to know mostly is if this system is tested in a Futaba 9ZWC2 computer Tx and if the well-known 'glitchy servo movement' is not observed. This behavior is observed in the XPS and ASSAN system and is blamed on the Tx. Also, I hope your shop can keep the prices down.

Thanks,
Rico.

[Flyboone]

Hey guys,
We got the samples in! We hooked it up briefly and it talks. There is still a lot about it that we don't understand yet. It has the capability to connect to the Jeti Spin box to give you all sorts of data while your flying. Pretty cool stuff so far.

Jason Cole

[ricoalonso]

Cool... looking forward to hearing more data. Pls keep us updated.

Thanks,
Rico.

[ricoalonso]

Jason,
One request I have, if it's possible for you to do: Test this system in a Futaba 9Z Tx and just let it sit doing nothing with the power ON in both the TX and RX then check if any 'uncommanded' servo movement is observed. Maybe you can have servos connected to all channels available in the RX.

This weird behavior was observed in the other systems and only specifically for the Futaba 9Z radio.

Thanks,
Rico.

[Flyboone]

Send me your 9Z and I'll be glad to do it. :D I've got a 9C that I don't use anymore, but I don't think that will help. I don't know anyone around here that has a 9Z I could try it with. Sorry.

Jason Cole
Hobby-Lobby

Jason,
One request I have, if it's possible for you to do: Test this system in a Futaba 9Z Tx and just let it sit doing nothing with the power ON in both the TX and RX then check if any 'uncommanded' servo movement is observed. Maybe you can have servos connected to all channels available in the RX.

This weird behavior was observed in the other systems and only specifically for the Futaba 9Z radio.

Thanks,
Rico.

[ricoalonso]

Thanks. Well, that maybe one of the options. Another I can think of is for me to order the system and try it in my 9ZWC2 if it works with no problem then everyone's happy; if not, then I will return it for a refund, as long as we agreed prior to that.

Of course, if someone else in the other thread will be able to test it with a 9Z before the unit is available from your shop then that will also be good. I know some people from other countries had started ordering already.

^R^

Edit: Of course, if you need more testers ;) I can also volunteer :D I just finished repairing my SU-27XL and have also a SlowStick to use as a testbed. I already got the Jeti Box :cool:

^R^

[LouieB]

Jason,

I realise that this request will likely fall on the deaf ears of the eternally greedy ... :) but, any chance that HL can get the price of a 6 channel receiver down to around 40 or so dollars. That is the break point that I have for me to consider it feasable to move to 2.4 on my EVO and buy about 6 receivers at one shot.

In short, HL may just find it better to make their money on gross sales and market penatration.

thanks,

Lou

[Gordito Volador]

Jason,

I'm hoping that you guys get this radio to market soon. I am waiting with money in hand.

Regards, Bill

[Flyboone]

I'm not sure what the pricing is just yet, I doubt it will be $40 though coming out of Europe. It may be closer to $60, but it still yet to be determined.

Jason Cole

[Gordito Volador]

I'm not sure what the pricing is just yet, I doubt it will be $40 though coming out of Europe. It may be closer to $60, but it still yet to be determined.

Jason Cole

Jason,

I think that $10.00 per channel is good. :D

Regards, Bill

[LouieB]

Jason,

I think that $10.00 per channel is good. :D

Regards, Bill

Maybe we should start a bid war? :D


First bid being $7.95 per channel ..... going , going , ......

:p

[LouieB]

I'm not sure what the pricing is just yet, I doubt it will be $40 though coming out of Europe. It may be closer to $60, but it still yet to be determined.

Jason Cole

That is a lot better than $80 dollars .... at $50 to $60 dollars I probably could take the plunge.

I am thinking that HL should go for market penetration on this item.

[Gordito Volador]

Jason,

I need to put in my request to Santa soon. Will the Jeti radio be available at HL by then?

Regards, Bill

[Flyboone]

We're still working on it. I'm out of town, but did get a chance to test a receiver out. I put it in a balsa wood profile plane and took off out of our parking lot. I was using a Hitec Optic 6 tranny with the Jeti module plugged in. I went straight up until I could barely see it. It performed flawlesly. There is still a lot to understand about it, but it works.

Jason

[LouieB]

Jason,

Any news yet about the Jeti? Release date, costs and the such.

thanks

[Flyboone]

Nothing new to report as of yet. We got a little side tracked with working on our new catalog.

Jason Cole

[ricoalonso]

Jason,
Hopefully, the new catalog already includes the Jeti 2.4GHz system?

Rico.

[Gordito Volador]

Ok guys, inquiring minds want to know something. :D Come on Jay, you can give up a little info to us loyal HL fans. ;)

Regards, Bill

[Flyboone]

Hey guys,
It's still under consideration. Below are the MAP prices from Jeti. Let us know what you think.

Duplex 4 channel RX - $80.19
Duplex 6 channel RX - $98.00
Duplex 8 channel RX - $118.79
Duplex External Module for Hitec/Futaba - $163.34
Duplex Internal Module for Hitec/Futaba/Multiplex - $148.49

Thanks,
Jason Cole

[ricoalonso]

Wow!

The other week I got tired of waiting for this Jeti system and decided to get the RDS8000 which comes with 2pcs 8Ch Rx which means each 8Ch Rx came down to $40/pc.

I'm still keeping my Futaba T9ZHPWC2 'though, hoping to get the Jeti system someday. But, with those prices (specially for the 4 and 6 Ch)... I don't know... just too much for a park-flyer like me. Sorry.

If I would have to pay at this prices then I'd rather get FASST for my Futaba system.

^R^

[Gordito Volador]

Jason,

The prices seem to be a little on the high side when compared to some of the other brands. However, with that being said, if the quality is what I usually see from Jeti then it would be a product that I would consider buying. I have been using Futaba on 72 MHz for my turbine powered jets and need to change them to 2.4 GHz. I am now getting into high powered (2 to 3 kW) EDF and want a robust 2.4 GHz link between me and my aircraft. I have been using JR/Spektrum for EDF so I am using that pricing model for comparison. I have considered going to Weatronic and as you know, they are very pricey. If the Jeti proves to be a solid product with a degree of versatility built in, I could see it in my future.

Regards, Bill

[LouieB]

Gee, from that price list I would say that you want to compete with Futaba. I believe that I will pass on the JETI 2.4 product line.

[village_idiot]

That's crazy, guess I'll stop tracking this product, or maybe order it from Europe which will actually be cheaper (there's something to be said in that statement). When you consider all the other systems that are out, even when you factor in the telemetry, this still seems really wrong.

Well, good luck with it.

[LouieB]

That's crazy, guess I'll stop tracking this product, or maybe order it from Europe which will actually be cheaper (there's something to be said in that statement).

Well, good luck with it.

Yep, placed an order last week from an outfit in England. The U.S. vendors have gotten WAY too greedy and in some cases do not provide the product that I want. I see more and more of my orders coming from overseas.

Telemetry is fine for the few that want it. My money says that %95 of the 2.4 users could care less about telemetry. We just want a reliable system. The users that like to geek out a plane are the ones that occupy the remaining %5 and likely are the reason that the price is so elevated.

[Daemon]

I'm very interested in the Jeti 2.4Ghz system, but not at those prices.
I have a very hard time justifying the purchase of a $100+ receiver.

ian

[village_idiot]

If it is priced low, then the masses are more likely to adopt the products, price it higher and you get what LouieB describes.

[khughes]

I don't see what all the whining about the pricing is about. These prices seem reasonable given the feature set of these products. If all the features aren't desired, buy a less feature-rich product.

As far as European sources being cheaper for U.S. customers, I don't think so. As an example, the R8 receiver is listed with various European suppliers as costing 86 Euros (see http://www.rc-easy.com/shop/index.php?cat=c145_2-4-Ghz-Duplex.html for example). At current exchange rates, that equates to $111. Add in shipping of around 10 Euros ($13), and you are at $124. Then consider that to buy from some vendors in Europe that you have to submit payment via a SWIFT bank transfer (which for me runs $25 per transfer), and, well, $118 + shipping from hobby-lobby (not considering the speedier shipping time from a U.S. supplier to a U.S. customer) looks pretty good.

[LouieB]

You forgot to substract, I believe %17 for VAT. Not all vendors will not take CC, most of them will. By my rough calculations last night that put the 4 channel in the high $60 ballpark.

The point to is that the bulk of the people do not want the telemetry, and the telemetry in part is what is causing this product line to be overpriced. As mentioned in another thread, people will be hard pressed to put an $80 4 chanel Jeti in a $20 foamie. If HL want to be competition with Futaba, then so be it. The JETI/HL arangement certainly will not be competition for any of the other 2.4 offerings.

Why are folks so bothered by the pricing. Because we now have a chance to put a good 2.4 system in our existing Multiplex, Graupner and other brands. We are not limited to a particular brand TX, or hacking someone elses offering into our TX and now that a good system is out .... it is SO overpriced, that only the wealthy will want to afford it.

[Gordito Volador]

IMHO the Jeti product is an upper tier radio with full features, including telemetry. To my knowledge it has not been presented as an economy system for a $20 foamie. There are plenty of those out there already. I think that you will find many folks interested in this product. Perhaps HL needs to conduct a poll.

[LouieB]

IMHO the Jeti product is an upper tier radio with full features, including telemetry. To my knowledge it has not been presented as an economy system for a $20 foamie. There are plenty of those out there already. I think that you will find many folks interested in this product. Perhaps HL needs to conduct a poll.

Then they are competiting with Futaba and we will see how that battle turns out.

Perhaps JETI will make a purely parkflyer 4 channel and 7 channel receiver? No telemetry, nothing more than an excellent 2.4 receiver. Priced about $8 or $9 a channel.

[khughes]

Then they are competiting with Futaba and we will see how that battle turns out.

Perhaps JETI will make a purely parkflyer 4 channel and 7 channel receiver? No telemetry, nothing more than an excellent 2.4 receiver. Priced about $8 or $9 a channel.


I don't believe Futaba makes a modul you can plug into your Multiplex, Graupner, JR, Hitec, or other radio to convert it to 2.4 (http://www.jetimodel.cz/cze/hlavni.htm). This versatility is what makes this system so attractive a competitor.

And just think, with the money saved in retaining one's converted $600 12-channel Evo as opposed to buying a new 12-channel 2.4 transmitter, one might have a few extra dollars available to spend on a receiver. :)

[LouieB]

:) .... MPX is threatening a 2.4 solution for 2009, but we all know that there is world time and then there is MPX time. :)

No doubt the Jeti is high quality, if HL and Jeti would have a reality check about the economy and the real need of the average user, they may just lower the price. I could then justify buying 5 or 6 receivers and the TU for my EVO.

[bruff]

I don't believe Futaba makes a modul you can plug into your Multiplex, Graupner, JR, Hitec, or other radio to convert it to 2.4 (http://www.jetimodel.cz/cze/hlavni.htm). This versatility is what makes this system so attractive a competitor.

And just think, with the money saved in retaining one's converted $600 12-channel Evo as opposed to buying a new 12-channel 2.4 transmitter, one might have a few extra dollars available to spend on a receiver. :)

My 2.4 Evo 9 has been working great with XPS and it is full time hopping and two way communications with receiver.
Bob

[village_idiot]

At the suggested prices, it would be WAY cheaper to buy the new XPS V3 system and have full time hopping, plus telemetry. The only thing you lose is the servo programming through the Jeti box, and that is said to be coming soon. Since I don't need telemetry, I'll be sticking with Spektrum or going to ASSAN since they are binging out some smaller receivers in the next few months. The RF link quality and receiver voltage telemetry would be nice, but not something that I'll really die without.

So they will need to decide whether they want to go for profit in mass or short term profit. Basically what I'm saying is if it is priced more than a Spektrum system (the Futaba sized module at $40) then it will be out of reach for many people. Or they can wait until one of the Chinese companies comes along with telemetry for cheap and really lose money.

[LouieB]

So they will need to decide whether they want to go for profit in mass or short term profit. Basically what I'm saying is if it is priced more than a Spektrum system (the Futaba sized module at $40) then it will be out of reach for many people. Or they can wait until one of the Chinese companies comes along with telemetry for cheap and really lose money.

Yep .... I agree completely. Too many good choices out there and more on the way. With the American economy being bad and not expected to be better for nearly 2 year ..... Jeti/HL might just want to make their money on gross sales. With gross sales you also get market penetration and loyalty.

[Gordito Volador]

Or they can just say that at this imaginary user defined price that there is not enough gross margin to cover the cost of importation, tech support, plus warranty issues and pass on the idea.

[village_idiot]

That's their choice, and if that happens, then someone else may decide to import them. If they all come with FCC certification, then ordering directly from the EU will be an option too.

[LouieB]

Or they can just say that at this imaginary user defined price that there is not enough gross margin to cover the cost of importation, tech support, plus warranty issues and pass on the idea.

With as bloated as the 2.4 market will soon be, passing on the Jeti may be their best option. Eventually, the only two high end systems could be Futaba and Jeti. The remaining market, the bulk of it, would go to a host of 2.4 manufacturers.

Can anyone spell Hobby City?

[village_idiot]

Spektrum has staying power, so I don't see them going away anytime soon. Airtronics also has staying power, but they still seem to be dragging their feet. Assan is building a big customer base, and continuing to improve the product and provide new receivers to where they will be direct competition for all but the small receivers. Xps is supposed to finally be bringing smaller lighter receivers to market, and they are supposed to be full time hopping and have telemetry (though not yet as nice as the Jeti Box).

So yes there is a glut of good systems out there, and every time you turn around there seems to be another new "full range" discount system arriving on the market.

If Jeti wants to gamble on being an elite system, then more power to them. But with PPM conversion they are really only going to cathc the elite plane flyers because the latency in the conversion will keep the elite heli guys away.

[Gordito Volador]

I wouldn't call it the elite market, I think that they (Jeti) will do well selling to informed buyers who want a well engineered product. They might be a bit pricey, but you don't have to be "Elite" to buy a good product. Just look at Bose audio products for example.

[LouieB]

I consider myself 'average' and the 20 or so people that I know that fly electric must also be 'average' because not a one of us own the expensive JETI line of ESC or other components.

The well informed people I know spend their money wisely and get more umph out of their dollar. JETI is at the highest end of the market and with very high quality .... this makes their product an elitest product.

Of course, the imaginary pricing that I have also says that there is not that much difference in the manufacturing cost between a JETI product and a Castle product. Chinese products on the other hand are substantially cheaper and when designed so, can be of superiour quality. But we already know that.

Companies can use good marketing and then put a high price on their product and declare it to be superior. In the end, that product may be no better than the average of similar products. Americans buy based on price .... something that advertisers can be thanked for.

In the end, HL/Jeti will need to decide if they want their profits on gross sales and strive for market penetration of if they what a high profit margin on each unit, which will never give market penetration and will keep them in the elitest price range.

[Gordito Volador]

Hey Jason,

Average flyer and very satisfied Jeti product user here who is willing to pay for quality. I'm still waiting to buy my Jeti 2.4 setup, any word yet?

Regards, Bill

[Flyboone]

Hi Bill,
We are still considering it. Hang in there.

Jason

[khughes]

Hi Jason,

Another potential customer here who doesn't mind paying for quality either. I recently acquired the TU module and two R8 receivers and have been so pleased with the product that I hope to convert my whole fleet soon.... Would love to go through Hobby Lobby :)

-Kevin

[Gordito Volador]

Hey Jason,

Any word?

Regards, Bill

[Flyboone]

Looks like the pricing got a little better! :) We should have them with in a couple of months. I'll post on here when we get them listed on our website.

Thanks,
Jason Cole
Hobby-Lobby

[village_idiot]

There are a few people that are having lockout issues, and they are fairly repeatable. Probably better wait until Jeti fixes this before importing them, or you will be dealing with the fix when it does get released.

Are you willing to let those prices out yet? Just wondering if it will be worth switching or not, would be neat to build the Jeti Box into the radio I'm building.

[Flyboone]

Hey Idiot (I can't believe I just said that :D )
Can you send me some information about the repeatable lock outs? U.S. pricing is listed below.

4 CH RX $49.90
6 CH RX $58.90
8 CH RX $79.90
Module for Futaba/Hitec $124.90
Internal module for Futaba/Hitec/Multiplex $98.90

Thanks, Jason

[village_idiot]

No problem. Note that it started with an Assan system, but now several people are finding that they can (somewhat) easily lock the system. It looks like it is coming down to the TX module.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=970251

If I was working for Hobby Lobby, I would suggest to the boss to wait on importing this stuff until the problem is at least extremely well defined, if not until Jeti decides if there is a fix and fixes it. They already halted production once while they changed to make them comply with new EU regulations, so I have a feeling that once they get wind of these new issues they will halt shipment again. So far they seem to be a real stand up and take charge company with problems that have appeared, better than what Futaba did with the zero ID problem.

[village_idiot]

Also now http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=991873

[Flyboone]

Hey guys,
We just got our shipment in. We'll have them on the website soon, but you can call in and order NOW! Here's a list of what we have so far:

Part No.
JDTF01 Module for Futaba/Hitec $129.90
JDTU01 Internal Module for Futaba/Hitec/Multiplex $98.90
JDR401 R4 2.4G RECEIVER $49.90
JDR501 R5 2.4G RECEIVER $54.99
JDR502 R5 2.4G INDOOR RECEIVER $54.99
JDR601 R6 2.4G RECEIVER $59.90
JDR801 R8 2.4G RECEIVER $69.90
JDE401 Expander E4 $32.90
JDE801 Expander E8 $38.90
JDMT125 125C Temp Sensor Module $39.90
JDMU030 30Amp Module $35.90
JDMU075 75Amp Module $39.90
JDMU150 150Amp Module $49.90


Enjoy!
Jason Cole
Hobby-Lobby

[write2dgray]

Still not on the site...?

[Flyboone]

Not yet, but we're loading stuff every day.

Jason

[write2dgray]

Will internal modules be available for JR?

[Gordito Volador]

Hey Jason,

I got my 8 ch Rx and a Tx module, can't wait to try them out this weekend. I think that the prices are very good and seem to beat some of the other brands. The expander is something that I will probably try out very soon.

Regards, Bill

[heyEJ]

What i dont understand about the telemetry element is where does the data from the rx go? to the transmitter? if so how and where does the transmitter show you the data and if only to the jeti box, then how does the box hook up with the transmitter to recieve the signal? does the jeti box have an internal antenna and work as a standalone?

would love to know these things.

Thx

[aero104]

I am waiting on the JR module version for my XP9303 72mhz. As far as what I know there is a servo wire extension that connects the module (internal or external) to the Jeti Box. The Jeti Box then displays the data received from the receiver. I also heard that the Jeti Box can program the Tx module to "beep" a code when certain limits are reached. Say for example, low battery. The module has the sound card not the jeti box. I would also guess that the glider Vario will use this sound card too. That will keep you from having to look at readout on Jeti Box.

I don't have mine yet but that is what I have heard.

Chris

[write2dgray]

Hey Chris - great news! Do you guys have them in stock now and what's the damage (if you don't mind me asking)? I'm considering one for my JR8103H.

- David

Edit: By clicking on the hobby-lobby link under your name it takes me to your youtube vids. One of these is a dynamic soaring clip that lists the components at the beginning as JR 2.4 GHz and Spektrum 6200. Does this go to say the Jeti/JR system will work with Spektrum Rxs?

[aero104]

David,

I had no idea that link went to YouTube. That is weird.

I looked at the video you mentioned. It says "JR 2.4 Ghz - Spektrum 6200" not Jeti. I was flying it on my JR X9303 2.4 system. I was demonstrating the antenna "whiskers" method in carbon fuselage glider.

To be clear Jeti transmitter modules ONLY work with Jeti receivers.

The JETI 2.4 modules and receivers are in stock on the www.hobby-lobby.com website. The JR tx modules should be in next shipment with the glider Varios.

I can't wait!

Chris

[write2dgray]

Sorry, I was speeding - thanks for clearing that up. I have edited my post above so as to be slightly less confusing to the passing reader.

Nice gliders!

Will the Jeti systems for JR run the same price as the Futaba?

- David

[write2dgray]

From Hobby-Lobby, in response to an inquiry I made regarding the pulled notice of availability:

"There has been a difficulty with that module and it needs an engineering correction.
We will get it back on the market when Jeti gets it corrected. I am sorry but there
is not a ETA right now.
You might check the Jeti web site directly for updates.
http://www.jetimodel.cz/"

- David

[codezilla]

What i dont understand about the telemetry element is where does the data from the rx go? to the transmitter? if so how and where does the transmitter show you the data and if only to the jeti box, then how does the box hook up with the transmitter to recieve the signal? does the jeti box have an internal antenna and work as a standalone?

would love to know these things.

Thx

Jetibox connects to the Jeti tx module to get the telemetry data.

Adrian

[ycchu]

Cannot get the Jeti 2.4G TU Tx module to work via connection to 14MZ's trainer port (PPM, Ground and B+). Apparent the "B+" pin of the trainer port is for connection detection only (not for power supply).

Anyone actually installed the 2.4G TU module on the 14MZ and works.

Waiting for your advice. Thanks.