High Torque Starter

[Steve]

Can anyone recommend a high torque starter for a 75 - 90 size

[Andy Carpenter]

Robbe 120. Unfortunately it only seems to be available from Robbe now but
it only costs around £45 shipped.
Don't get taken in by the Robbe UK 'Hi' torque starter - it is a sack of
shit rebadged with a couple of wires sticking out :)

--
Carps.

[ http://www.carps.co.uk ]

"Steve" <deskman2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can anyone recommend a high torque starter for a 75 - 90 size
>
>

[Steve]

Thanks
Trying to load up their .com site... not loading
Do you have a UK contact address or Tel No.

Steve

Andy Carpenter <andy@REMOVEcarpsTHE.coUPPER.ukCASE> wrote in message
news:b1jv1m$plm$1@helle.btinternet.com...
> Robbe 120. Unfortunately it only seems to be available from Robbe now but
> it only costs around £45 shipped.
> Don't get taken in by the Robbe UK 'Hi' torque starter - it is a sack of
> shit rebadged with a couple of wires sticking out :)
>
> --
> Carps.
>
> [ http://www.carps.co.uk ]
>
> "Steve" <deskman2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Nze%9.1326$Fm.1188@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > Can anyone recommend a high torque starter for a 75 - 90 size
> >
> >
>
>

[Beav]

"Steve" <deskman2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can anyone recommend a high torque starter for a 75 - 90 size

Sullivan do one. You can drive it with 24 volts and it'll turn over a
Scania:-) It'll also bend a con rod if you hydraulic the engine.


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(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Andy Carpenter]

http://at.robbe-online.net/cgi-bin/rims_at.storefront/en

Like Beav say, Sullivan also do one which costs about £65 and will run on 24
volt. Not really worth it unless you plan on actually running it off 24v,
even though it will go on 12v. You could also try the slighlty cheaper
Sullivan which is about £45 and is meant to run on 12v. I have this one and
the Robbe - the Robbe is better IMO
--
Carps.

[ http://www.carps.co.uk ]

"Steve" <deskman2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks
> Trying to load up their .com site... not loading
> Do you have a UK contact address or Tel No.
>
> Steve
>
> Andy Carpenter <andy@REMOVEcarpsTHE.coUPPER.ukCASE> wrote in message
> news:b1jv1m$plm$1@helle.btinternet.com...
> > Robbe 120. Unfortunately it only seems to be available from Robbe now
but
> > it only costs around £45 shipped.
> > Don't get taken in by the Robbe UK 'Hi' torque starter - it is a sack of
> > shit rebadged with a couple of wires sticking out :)
> >
> > --
> > Carps.
> >
> > [ http://www.carps.co.uk ]
> >
> > "Steve" <deskman2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:Nze%9.1326$Fm.1188@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > > Can anyone recommend a high torque starter for a 75 - 90 size
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Wilbur Wilburforce]

I use a bog standard sullivan hi-tourque to start me OS91 and YS80....works for
me!


Will

[Steve]

Thanks for that
Where can I find the Sullivan info.

Steve
"Andy Carpenter" <andy@REMOVEcarpsTHE.coUPPER.ukCASE> wrote in message
news:b1k5eu$li4$1@knossos.btinternet.com...
> http://at.robbe-online.net/cgi-bin/rims_at.storefront/en
>
> Like Beav say, Sullivan also do one which costs about £65 and will run on
24
> volt. Not really worth it unless you plan on actually running it off 24v,
> even though it will go on 12v. You could also try the slighlty cheaper
> Sullivan which is about £45 and is meant to run on 12v. I have this one
and
> the Robbe - the Robbe is better IMO
> --
> Carps.
>
> [ http://www.carps.co.uk ]
>
> "Steve" <deskman2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:elf%9.71$2d1.67@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > Thanks
> > Trying to load up their .com site... not loading
> > Do you have a UK contact address or Tel No.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Andy Carpenter <andy@REMOVEcarpsTHE.coUPPER.ukCASE> wrote in message
> > news:b1jv1m$plm$1@helle.btinternet.com...
> > > Robbe 120. Unfortunately it only seems to be available from Robbe now
> but
> > > it only costs around £45 shipped.
> > > Don't get taken in by the Robbe UK 'Hi' torque starter - it is a sack
of
> > > shit rebadged with a couple of wires sticking out :)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carps.
> > >
> > > [ http://www.carps.co.uk ]
> > >
> > > "Steve" <deskman2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Nze%9.1326$Fm.1188@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > > > Can anyone recommend a high torque starter for a 75 - 90 size
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Beav]

"Wilbur Wilburforce" <willbeasley3d@aol.com1234> wrote in message
news:20030202182006.22142.00000193@mb-fa.aol.com...
> I use a bog standard sullivan hi-tourque to start me OS91 and
YS80....works for
> me!

My standard one works for me too Will and I don't actually like the 24 volt
version. If the engine won't start with the standard one, something's not
right. Engines don't come harder to turn over than Rossi 60,' or Webra 75
ABC's and mine pisses all over both of them engines.


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[MPA]

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:34:21 -0000, "Beav"
<beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote:

>
>"Wilbur Wilburforce" <willbeasley3d@aol.com1234> wrote in message
>news:20030202182006.22142.00000193@mb-fa.aol.com...
>> I use a bog standard sullivan hi-tourque to start me OS91 and
>YS80....works for
>> me!
>
>My standard one works for me too Will and I don't actually like the 24 volt
>version. If the engine won't start with the standard one, something's not
>right. Engines don't come harder to turn over than Rossi 60,' or Webra 75
>ABC's and mine pisses all over both of them engines.

Have to say since dumping my Flightbox and battery and using 2 x 6cell
nicad packs piggy back on the stock starter it has heaps more guts.
Not to mention no frikin cord hanging off

[Steve]

Where do you find the Sullivan

"MPA" <mail_me@my_site.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:34:21 -0000, "Beav"
> <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Wilbur Wilburforce" <willbeasley3d@aol.com1234> wrote in message
> >news:20030202182006.22142.00000193@mb-fa.aol.com...
> >> I use a bog standard sullivan hi-tourque to start me OS91 and
> >YS80....works for
> >> me!
> >
> >My standard one works for me too Will and I don't actually like the 24
volt
> >version. If the engine won't start with the standard one, something's not
> >right. Engines don't come harder to turn over than Rossi 60,' or Webra 75
> >ABC's and mine pisses all over both of them engines.
>
> Have to say since dumping my Flightbox and battery and using 2 x 6cell
> nicad packs piggy back on the stock starter it has heaps more guts.
> Not to mention no frikin cord hanging off
>
>

[Wilbur Wilburforce]

In a model shop


Will

[Tim van Halteren]

> Where do you find the Sullivan

Ricks have them among others:

http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=heli&Pro
duct_Code=SUL603

Tim

[Anne-Marie Maddison]

My big robbe starter fell to pieces after a few months ,so did some others
who bought around the same time-they seem to lock up and you had to pull the
top of the shaft to get them working .skyline sent them back ..got a
dynatron now and it is the dogs nuts
ben
"Tim van Halteren" <t_dot_van_dot_halteren@inter.nl.net> wrote in message
news:3e3e7778$0$809$4d4ebb8e@news.nl.uu.net...
> > Where do you find the Sullivan
>
> Ricks have them among others:
>
>
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=heli&Pro
> duct_Code=SUL603
>
> Tim
>
>

[Stu.]

Simprop goldee is what i use, very oomphy, and fairly cheap too

Got it at www.inwoodmodels.co.uk

hope it helps

Stu.
"Anne-Marie Maddison" <Annemarie.Maddison@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:b1md6p$49a$1@venus.btinternet.com...
> My big robbe starter fell to pieces after a few months ,so did some others
> who bought around the same time-they seem to lock up and you had to pull
the
> top of the shaft to get them working .skyline sent them back ..got a
> dynatron now and it is the dogs nuts
> ben
> "Tim van Halteren" <t_dot_van_dot_halteren@inter.nl.net> wrote in message
> news:3e3e7778$0$809$4d4ebb8e@news.nl.uu.net...
> > > Where do you find the Sullivan
> >
> > Ricks have them among others:
> >
> >
>
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=heli&Pro
> > duct_Code=SUL603
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
>
>

[Beav]

"Steve" <deskman2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Where do you find the Sullivan

I've had it for 15 years or more. Can't remember where I got it from now
though :-)


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Beav]

"Wilbur Wilburforce" <willbeasley3d@aol.com1234> wrote in message
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> In a model shop

I could've been Will :-)


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Steve]

Went to the model shop that was the problem.
Recommended to a JP POWERtorque value +
Lasted 3 starts.
The hydro-locked and warm leads.
Now no-go.
Link to ronlund produces fatal error - I might be new to the hobby but
didn't know I was that bad.
Any Uk link would be appreciated
Thanks for all the advice

Steve

Stu. <savage@spamntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:H4z%9.11870$RZ.133180@newsfep4-win.server.ntli.net...
> Simprop goldee is what i use, very oomphy, and fairly cheap too
>
> Got it at www.inwoodmodels.co.uk
>
> hope it helps
>
> Stu.
> "Anne-Marie Maddison" <Annemarie.Maddison@btopenworld.com> wrote in
message
> news:b1md6p$49a$1@venus.btinternet.com...
> > My big robbe starter fell to pieces after a few months ,so did some
others
> > who bought around the same time-they seem to lock up and you had to pull
> the
> > top of the shaft to get them working .skyline sent them back ..got a
> > dynatron now and it is the dogs nuts
> > ben
> > "Tim van Halteren" <t_dot_van_dot_halteren@inter.nl.net> wrote in
message
> > news:3e3e7778$0$809$4d4ebb8e@news.nl.uu.net...
> > > > Where do you find the Sullivan
> > >
> > > Ricks have them among others:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=heli&Pro
> > > duct_Code=SUL603
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Paris]

Hi there

I'm using the high torque starter (the bigger one) from thunder tiger for my
raptor 60 (tt70 engine,+ fixed to have higher compression). the specs says
it starts engines up to 1.80.
so far it starts my heli well.my previous kavan "planetary" starter didn't
do the job.

regards
Paris



"Steve" <deskman2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can anyone recommend a high torque starter for a 75 - 90 size
>
>

[Tim van Halteren]

> Link to ronlund produces fatal error - I might be new to the hobby but

The link probably wrapped over 2 lines, you need to copy and past both lines
to your browser.
But to help you even further I have a tiny url for you:
http://tinyurl.com/5b5m

And if this still doesn't work you can do a search on Ricks site (on the
online shop page, not the main page) for partnumber: SUL603

Tim

[MPA]

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:36:45 +0000 (UTC), "Steve"
<deskman2@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Where do you find the Sullivan

Sullivan, cant help you, dont own one.
Like Will said...........

Next time you give it a start measure volts at the starter, you loose
most in the leads and unless you have thick 50 to 80 amp leads you
need to keep them very short.
Piggy back NicAds does the job, 14.4v to the starter with leads only
10cm long will remove your lead problem.

[Steve]

Thanks - got there

Steve

Tim van Halteren <t_dot_van_dot_halteren@inter.nl.net> wrote in message
news:3e3f84b4$0$808$4d4ebb8e@news.nl.uu.net...
>
> > Link to ronlund produces fatal error - I might be new to the hobby but
>
> The link probably wrapped over 2 lines, you need to copy and past both
lines
> to your browser.
> But to help you even further I have a tiny url for you:
> http://tinyurl.com/5b5m
>
> And if this still doesn't work you can do a search on Ricks site (on the
> online shop page, not the main page) for partnumber: SUL603
>
> Tim
>
>

[L Troyano]

what size nicads do you use on the starter?

Ta

Luis

"MPA" <mail_me@my_site.com> wrote in message
news:memv3vod2fb0i47mcp791t81l2aumusstb@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:36:45 +0000 (UTC), "Steve"
> <deskman2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Where do you find the Sullivan
>
> Sullivan, cant help you, dont own one.
> Like Will said...........
>
> Next time you give it a start measure volts at the starter, you loose
> most in the leads and unless you have thick 50 to 80 amp leads you
> need to keep them very short.
> Piggy back NicAds does the job, 14.4v to the starter with leads only
> 10cm long will remove your lead problem.
>

[MPA]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:29:26 +0000 (UTC), "L Troyano"
<j.l.troyano@btinternet.com> wrote:

>what size nicads do you use on the starter?

I use 2 x 7.2volt RC car sticks (1700mAh SubC I think) they fit side
by side on the starterr nicely.
K&S actually sells a braket set to fit these batteries to the starter.

[Tractorman]

I thought about cutting the output shaft off of my old burnt out Sullivan starter and using it in my 24 volt Firestorm drill. According to the specs the Sullivan Dyna tron starter has 600 in oz of torque and the Firestorm drill has 445in lb of torque. If you convert the in lbs to in oz which our starters are rated at you will find that the drill has 7120 in oz of torque. That should start any rc engine out there and when you are done flying you can come home and work on the honey do list with it. :p

[Boo]

Tractorman wrote:
> I thought about cutting the output shaft off of my old burnt out
> Sullivan starter and using it in my 24 volt Firestorm drill. According
> to the specs the Sullivan Dyna tron starter has 600 in oz of torque and
> the Firestorm drill has 445in lb of torque. If you convert the in lbs to
> in oz which our starters are rated at you will find that the drill has
> 7120 in oz of torque.

Any idea what the gear ratio of the drill is ? I bought one of those twin-700
powered geared startes with the self-contained power packs and found that the
torque was fine for all my engines but the speed they were turned over at was
too slow to get a reliable start.

--
Boo

[The OTHER Kevin in San Diego]

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:12:29 +0000, Boo
<reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net> wrote:

>Tractorman wrote:
>> I thought about cutting the output shaft off of my old burnt out
>> Sullivan starter and using it in my 24 volt Firestorm drill. According
>> to the specs the Sullivan Dyna tron starter has 600 in oz of torque and
>> the Firestorm drill has 445in lb of torque. If you convert the in lbs to
>> in oz which our starters are rated at you will find that the drill has
>> 7120 in oz of torque.
>
>Any idea what the gear ratio of the drill is ? I bought one of those twin-700
>powered geared startes with the self-contained power packs and found that the
>torque was fine for all my engines but the speed they were turned over at was
>too slow to get a reliable start.

That would be my concern as well.. I can turn over a big block Chevy
engine by hand, but nowhere near fast eough to get it to start.

[Steve R.]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message news:b26cp4l49uleeq6g7cldl1rv03ekucrgc1@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:12:29 +0000, Boo
> <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net> wrote:
>
>>Tractorman wrote:
>>> I thought about cutting the output shaft off of my old burnt out
>>> Sullivan starter and using it in my 24 volt Firestorm drill. According
>>> to the specs the Sullivan Dyna tron starter has 600 in oz of torque and
>>> the Firestorm drill has 445in lb of torque. If you convert the in lbs to
>>> in oz which our starters are rated at you will find that the drill has
>>> 7120 in oz of torque.
>>
>>Any idea what the gear ratio of the drill is ? I bought one of those
>>twin-700
>>powered geared startes with the self-contained power packs and found that
>>the
>>torque was fine for all my engines but the speed they were turned over at
>>was
>>too slow to get a reliable start.
>
> That would be my concern as well.. I can turn over a big block Chevy
> engine by hand, but nowhere near fast eough to get it to start.


Now that, I'd like to watch! It would be my luck that one of those
cylinders would light off at the wrong time with unfortunate results! ;-)

One option to use with the Sullivan Dynatron is a lipo pack. I've got a
friend who's heavily into electric helicopters. He's got a couple of
Miniature Aircraft Ion's and fly's them with a pair of 5S lipos connected in
series. As the batteries start to age they loose capacity over time and
eventually he retires them. I, and a number of friends of his have been
fortunate enough to be donated one of his retired 5S batteries and they make
wonderful starter batteries with the Sullivan Dynatron. Fully charged, the
5S is 22 volts which the Dynatron will handle easily. The first time we he
used one, it spun the **** out of his YS 90. The engine didn't seem to want
to start but when he let go of the starter button, the engine spooled "down"
and started idling nicely. The starter was spinning the engine well above
the engines idle speed.

If you know someone who's got an old one they won't mind getting rid of,
that's the best way. A battery that's gotten too weak to fly the helicopter
reliably has still got plenty of punch to use as a starter battery and the
Sullivan Dynatron has plenty of torque to spin the "you know what" ouf of a
90 size glo engine. The other option would be to buy a new one. Not cheap
I know but you wouldn't need another starter batter for a "very" long time!

FWIW! ;-0
Fly Safe,
Steve R.

[Beav]

"Tractorman" <Tractorman.3nj4on@rcgroups.com> wrote in message
news:Tractorman.3nj4on@rcgroups.com...
>
> I thought about cutting the output shaft off of my old burnt out
> Sullivan starter and using it in my 24 volt Firestorm drill. According
> to the specs the Sullivan Dyna tron starter has 600 in oz of torque and
> the Firestorm drill has 445in lb of torque. If you convert the in lbs to
> in oz which our starters are rated at you will find that the drill has
> 7120 in oz of torque. That should start any rc engine out there and when
> you are done flying you can come home and work on the honey do list with
> it. :p

It could also twist the crankshaft into a pretzel and tie the con-rod into a
knot if the motor suffers a hydraulic lock too.


--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19

[Beav]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message news:b26cp4l49uleeq6g7cldl1rv03ekucrgc1@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:12:29 +0000, Boo
> <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net> wrote:
>
>>Tractorman wrote:
>>> I thought about cutting the output shaft off of my old burnt out
>>> Sullivan starter and using it in my 24 volt Firestorm drill. According
>>> to the specs the Sullivan Dyna tron starter has 600 in oz of torque and
>>> the Firestorm drill has 445in lb of torque. If you convert the in lbs to
>>> in oz which our starters are rated at you will find that the drill has
>>> 7120 in oz of torque.
>>
>>Any idea what the gear ratio of the drill is ? I bought one of those
>>twin-700
>>powered geared startes with the self-contained power packs and found that
>>the
>>torque was fine for all my engines but the speed they were turned over at
>>was
>>too slow to get a reliable start.
>
> That would be my concern as well.. I can turn over a big block Chevy
> engine by hand, but nowhere near fast eough to get it to start.

What you need is a....... Model "T" :-)


--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19

[The OTHER Kevin in San Diego]

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:10:03 -0600, "Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net>
wrote:


>Now that, I'd like to watch! It would be my luck that one of those
>cylinders would light off at the wrong time with unfortunate results! ;-)

When you try that, do shoot some video. :)

> The first time we he
>used one, it spun the **** out of his YS 90. The engine didn't seem to want
>to start but when he let go of the starter button, the engine spooled "down"
>and started idling nicely. The starter was spinning the engine well above
>the engines idle speed.

Had the same problem starting a buddy's .50 with mine.. (and I run a
well-flogged 6S 5000mah pack on mine)

>If you know someone who's got an old one they won't mind getting rid of,
>that's the best way. A battery that's gotten too weak to fly the helicopter
>reliably has still got plenty of punch to use as a starter battery and the
>Sullivan Dynatron has plenty of torque to spin the "you know what" ouf of a
>90 size glo engine. The other option would be to buy a new one. Not cheap
>I know but you wouldn't need another starter batter for a "very" long time!

A post on nearly any forum asking for a well used battery would
probably net you several responses and probably score you a pack for
the cost of shipping.

[The OTHER Kevin in San Diego]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:29:55 -0000, "Beav"
<beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:


>What you need is a....... Model "T" :-)

What I need is an MD530F :)

[Steve R.]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message news:79ntp49tnfvu6d1tffb6o2694g0leeu0jg@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:29:55 -0000, "Beav"
> <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>
>
>>What you need is a....... Model "T" :-)
>
> What I need is an MD530F :)


If you're going to wish for something, you may as well do it right! :-)

[Beav]

"Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
> message news:79ntp49tnfvu6d1tffb6o2694g0leeu0jg@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:29:55 -0000, "Beav"
>> <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What you need is a....... Model "T" :-)
>>
>> What I need is an MD530F :)
>
>
> If you're going to wish for something, you may as well do it right! :-)

That would have to be the quitessential helicopter then. A Bell 47.

--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19

[Steve R.]

"Beav" <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:_5WdnQ8KQ5AJkALUnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>> "The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
>> message news:79ntp49tnfvu6d1tffb6o2694g0leeu0jg@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:29:55 -0000, "Beav"
>>> <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What you need is a....... Model "T" :-)
>>>
>>> What I need is an MD530F :)
>>
>>
>> If you're going to wish for something, you may as well do it right! :-)
>
> That would have to be the quitessential helicopter then. A Bell 47.
>
> --
> Beav
>


I'd agree with that! :-)

Steve R.

[Beav]

"Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ba6dnYMgxuGH7gLUnZ2dnUVZ_tfinZ2d@giganews.com ...
> "Beav" <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote in message
> news:ndInl.24774$ot7.21246@newsfe15.ams2...
>>
>> "Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:_5WdnQ8KQ5AJkALUnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>> "The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
>>> message news:79ntp49tnfvu6d1tffb6o2694g0leeu0jg@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:29:55 -0000, "Beav"
>>>> <beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What you need is a....... Model "T" :-)
>>>>
>>>> What I need is an MD530F :)
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're going to wish for something, you may as well do it right! :-)
>>
>> That would have to be the quitessential helicopter then. A Bell 47.
>>
>> --
>> Beav
>>
>
>
> I'd agree with that! :-)

Strangely Steve, so do I :-)


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Beav

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