FMA Co Pilot

[BJ]

Hello group,
Wonder if anyone here have tried the FMA flight stabilization systeme. I'm
new to heli-flight and thought it might be a good investment, if it really
works as described ????
Thanks
Ben (Denmark)

[Siam Heli]

Talk to Elsosam: almass@jazzfree.com
He knows everything about it - and is currently trying to design something
that actually works...!

If you're new to the challenge and keen to learn flying - best advise: Just
do that: Learn flying!
Avoid gadgets of any kind. In order to prevent extended expenses, try the
following:

1. Get a GOOD sim (following the NG should give you an idea of what's ok.)
2. If still not confident, ask someone WHO KNOWS (in your vicinity) to give
you buddy support.
3. If all else fails, - well, get an instructor...

All that bears a chance of making you a master of your heli - gadgets
certainly do not.

Martin


"BJ" <altech@inet.uni2.dk> wrote in message
news:3e3cf4ad$0$133$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk. ..
> Hello group,
> Wonder if anyone here have tried the FMA flight stabilization systeme. I'm
> new to heli-flight and thought it might be a good investment, if it really
> works as described ????
> Thanks
> Ben (Denmark)
>
>

[rahatch]

I don't Agree with Siam Heli

I have the CoPilot on my heli and love it, it has already paid for itself 5
times over.

I have mine setup on my gear switch so I can fly with it on or off, I flew
with it on to learn noes in, and now that I am starting to do Flips and
Rolls I fly with it off and switch it on when I lose orientation. It rights
the heli in less than a second.

The old timers say stuff like it will hinder your progress, the truth is it
will speed up your progress and keep your money in wallet (less need for
crash kits). It takes some of the fear out of trying new stunts.

I started with out one it cost me over $200.00 for my first crash. After
the rebuild I added the Co-Pilot and have not had a crash in the four months
since. I have lost control or orientation at least 5 times and had to use
the Co-Pilot to save the Heli and every time it worked as expected.

Get advice from people who have actually used them, not from people who
haven't.

Rick_H

"Siam Heli" <econ@loxinfo.co.th> wrote in message
news:b1jjfm$94u$1@news.loxinfo.co.th...
> Talk to Elsosam: almass@jazzfree.com
> He knows everything about it - and is currently trying to design something
> that actually works...!
>
> If you're new to the challenge and keen to learn flying - best advise:
Just
> do that: Learn flying!
> Avoid gadgets of any kind. In order to prevent extended expenses, try the
> following:
>
> 1. Get a GOOD sim (following the NG should give you an idea of what's ok.)
> 2. If still not confident, ask someone WHO KNOWS (in your vicinity) to
give
> you buddy support.
> 3. If all else fails, - well, get an instructor...
>
> All that bears a chance of making you a master of your heli - gadgets
> certainly do not.
>
> Martin
>
>
> "BJ" <altech@inet.uni2.dk> wrote in message
> news:3e3cf4ad$0$133$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk. ..
> > Hello group,
> > Wonder if anyone here have tried the FMA flight stabilization systeme.
I'm
> > new to heli-flight and thought it might be a good investment, if it
really
> > works as described ????
> > Thanks
> > Ben (Denmark)
> >
> >
>
>

[elossam]

Rick, Martin,

I must admit I learned helis on a simulator. Nothing at this moment
can substitute it either the co-pilot. But I´m sure the best way to
pass from hover to ff flight from first time is with the help of a
co-pilot stabilizer system.
I also saved lot of crash thanks to it but it doesn´t teach me to fly
as the sim did. It allows you to start doing things from first time
with less fear and that´s a big help. It also helps to do very
difficult things like hovering a camera ship high enough to get to
take some kind of erial pics but that´s another question.
Ben, imo you should consider to have both, start with the sim and add
the co-pilot for the real trials. You will save time and money, sure
(and if you can get an instructor you will be teaching us shortly)

Elossam








news:<WVe%9.10628$XB.617286@news2.west.cox.net>...
> I don't Agree with Siam Heli
>
> I have the CoPilot on my heli and love it, it has already paid for itself 5
> times over.
>
> I have mine setup on my gear switch so I can fly with it on or off, I flew
> with it on to learn noes in, and now that I am starting to do Flips and
> Rolls I fly with it off and switch it on when I lose orientation. It rights
> the heli in less than a second.
>
> The old timers say stuff like it will hinder your progress, the truth is it
> will speed up your progress and keep your money in wallet (less need for
> crash kits). It takes some of the fear out of trying new stunts.
>
> I started with out one it cost me over $200.00 for my first crash. After
> the rebuild I added the Co-Pilot and have not had a crash in the four months
> since. I have lost control or orientation at least 5 times and had to use
> the Co-Pilot to save the Heli and every time it worked as expected.
>
> Get advice from people who have actually used them, not from people who
> haven't.
>
> Rick_H
>
> "Siam Heli" <econ@loxinfo.co.th> wrote in message
> news:b1jjfm$94u$1@news.loxinfo.co.th...
> > Talk to Elsosam: almass@jazzfree.com
> > He knows everything about it - and is currently trying to design something
> > that actually works...!
> >
> > If you're new to the challenge and keen to learn flying - best advise:
> Just
> > do that: Learn flying!
> > Avoid gadgets of any kind. In order to prevent extended expenses, try the
> > following:
> >
> > 1. Get a GOOD sim (following the NG should give you an idea of what's ok.)
> > 2. If still not confident, ask someone WHO KNOWS (in your vicinity) to
> give
> > you buddy support.
> > 3. If all else fails, - well, get an instructor...
> >
> > All that bears a chance of making you a master of your heli - gadgets
> > certainly do not.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > "BJ" <altech@inet.uni2.dk> wrote in message
> > news:3e3cf4ad$0$133$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk. ..
> > > Hello group,
> > > Wonder if anyone here have tried the FMA flight stabilization systeme.
> I'm
> > > new to heli-flight and thought it might be a good investment, if it
> really
> > > works as described ????
> > > Thanks
> > > Ben (Denmark)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

[Beav]

"elossam" <almass@jazzfree.com> wrote in message
news:72b763b7.0302031336.6ee91855@posting.google.c om...
> Rick, Martin,
>
> I must admit I learned helis on a simulator. Nothing at this moment
> can substitute it either the co-pilot. But I´m sure the best way to
> pass from hover to ff flight from first time is with the help of a
> co-pilot stabilizer system.
> I also saved lot of crash thanks to it but it doesn´t teach me to fly
> as the sim did. It allows you to start doing things from first time
> with less fear and that´s a big help. It also helps to do very
> difficult things like hovering a camera ship high enough to get to
> take some kind of erial pics but that´s another question.
> Ben, imo you should consider to have both, start with the sim and add
> the co-pilot for the real trials. You will save time and money, sure
> (and if you can get an instructor you will be teaching us shortly)

I'd like to TRY one to see if it IS any good, coz if the "Co-pilot" is as
good as it appears from their web-site, it could be VERY useful for all
kinds of flyers. From the beginner to those who can fly but have the fear of
smacking their heli's when they try something new (and exciting). I like the
"exciting" bit though so I won't be using one myself, but I CAN see it's
uses for others.


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[BJ]

Hello Group,
Thanks for all the comments..Guess will start with the sim. Which one would
you recommend ???
Thanks Ben

"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:tgV%9.12818$RZ.142621@newsfep4-win.server.ntli.net...
>
> "elossam" <almass@jazzfree.com> wrote in message
> news:72b763b7.0302031336.6ee91855@posting.google.c om...
> > Rick, Martin,
> >
> > I must admit I learned helis on a simulator. Nothing at this moment
> > can substitute it either the co-pilot. But I´m sure the best way to
> > pass from hover to ff flight from first time is with the help of a
> > co-pilot stabilizer system.
> > I also saved lot of crash thanks to it but it doesn´t teach me to fly
> > as the sim did. It allows you to start doing things from first time
> > with less fear and that´s a big help. It also helps to do very
> > difficult things like hovering a camera ship high enough to get to
> > take some kind of erial pics but that´s another question.
> > Ben, imo you should consider to have both, start with the sim and add
> > the co-pilot for the real trials. You will save time and money, sure
> > (and if you can get an instructor you will be teaching us shortly)
>
> I'd like to TRY one to see if it IS any good, coz if the "Co-pilot" is as
> good as it appears from their web-site, it could be VERY useful for all
> kinds of flyers. From the beginner to those who can fly but have the fear
of
> smacking their heli's when they try something new (and exciting). I like
the
> "exciting" bit though so I won't be using one myself, but I CAN see it's
> uses for others.
>
>
> --
> Beav
>
>
> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
> (with the obvious changes)
>
> Beavisland now lives at
> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>
>

[Ed Goldman]

On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:42:52 +0100, "BJ" <altech@inet.uni2.dk> wrote:

>Hello group,
>Wonder if anyone here have tried the FMA flight stabilization systeme. I'm
>new to heli-flight and thought it might be a good investment, if it really
>works as described ????
>Thanks
>Ben (Denmark)


Let me put it this way. I have 8 helis. 6 are scale. 3 of those
scale helis have mechanical mixing. Those 3 each have a CoPilot.
When FMA comes out with a Multichannel Copilot (for ECCPM), all of
my scalers will have one.

To those that say learn to fly without any aids -- ok, remove your gyro then
:-P.

I think they're great for scale and besides the gain can be adjusted on the fly.
I sure find it a hell of lot more relaxing and enjoyable flying my Copiloted
helis esp when there's a lot of $$$ and build time invested in the air. Dollar
for dollar, I think they're about the best 120 bucks I've spent in the hobby.

-edg-

[CAWayne]

What's the best place to install a Co-Pilot on a helicopter, on the boom or under the body?

Wayne