Helicopters for only $349 [Archive]

Carl Farrington

Feb 01, 2003, 08:32 AM

and once the competition has been annihilated? What do you plan to do then?

This kind of business may well be beneficial to you, and to buyers
initially. It is not fair on other businesses, and the end result to the
buyer will not be so special once the 'competition' has been annihilated and
you have a monopoly on the marketplace.

If you execute your business plan with the same attention to detail you have
shown in this announcement, then you'll be fucked from day one - I mean who
the hell are you? What's the name of your business? What brands and products
will you stock? Where can we find the website to whet our appetite, or place
advanced orders? This wonderful land of joy and buying opportunity will be
ready to serve all our r/c needs in only two weeks, right? and you haven't
even told us who you are.

Anyhow I think you might find there is at least a small element of loyalty
within this game, not just with local hobby shops, but also with trusted
businesses 'friends' such as Cyberheli. I think it's fair to say Cyberheli
can be seen as a friend to most of their customers, from all I have read
going back through years of Usenet archives, and current opinion.

If you were selling Computer Software, then fair enough, you'd be doing
exactly the same as Action (dot com) and Jungle (dot com), who were selling
Windows XP and such like at *below* cost on day 1 of the software's release.

Well anyway thanks for the announcement Mr ???? - sorry, you neglected to
leave your surname.

Good luck.

"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
news:ZxO_9.13229$uE2.3562477680@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> Our store will be launching February 15th. You will be able to purchase a
> helicopter with everything you need including engine and radio for only
> $349. If our shipment from Taiwan arrives on time, you will also be able
to
> purchase RC gas-powered cars for only $169 complete and planes for only
$189
> complete.
>
> For the first six months we intend to destroy our competition (Tower
> Hobbies) by making zero profit. They will never come close to the prices
we
> can offer.
>
>

paul werz

Feb 01, 2003, 09:02 AM

Any business can sell a product cheaper.But an excellant business backs up
the sale with service and replacement parts quickly .Can you promise that ?
Dont forget a businesses reputation
"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
news:ZxO_9.13229$uE2.3562477680@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> Our store will be launching February 15th. You will be able to purchase a
> helicopter with everything you need including engine and radio for only
> $349. If our shipment from Taiwan arrives on time, you will also be able
to
> purchase RC gas-powered cars for only $169 complete and planes for only
$189
> complete.
>
> For the first six months we intend to destroy our competition (Tower
> Hobbies) by making zero profit. They will never come close to the prices
we
> can offer.
>
>

Jim Smith

Feb 01, 2003, 09:12 AM

paul werz wrote:
>
> Any business can sell a product cheaper.But an excellant business backs up
> the sale with service and replacement parts quickly .Can you promise that ?
> Dont forget a businesses reputation

As far as I'm concerned, their business reputation is ruined because of
their statement!
I doubt if they can sell with a zero profit. I wonder if they will have
a toll free number to call? A bank of phones with sales and service
representatives standing by? A return policy?

What about inventory? I think this is probably a guy selling out of his
house and can't come close to Tower Hobbies in any business manner. I'm
not a big Tower Hobbies buyer, but I know I can call and usually get
anything I need and have it delivered within 5 days.

Jim Smith
--
Blaming the gun for murder, is like blaming the car for hit and run!

Gordon Dunn

Feb 01, 2003, 10:32 AM

Quote "Any business can sell a product cheaper" but the key here is can it
supply equal quality cheaper?
I doubt it....

What brand names will these guys be supplying? Would anyone outside of
Taiwan have heard of them?

GD

"Jim Smith" <jhsmith@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3E3BD338.2F692C70@erols.com...
> paul werz wrote:
> >
> > Any business can sell a product cheaper.But an excellant business backs
up
> > the sale with service and replacement parts quickly .Can you promise
that ?
> > Dont forget a businesses reputation
>
> As far as I'm concerned, their business reputation is ruined because of
> their statement!
> I doubt if they can sell with a zero profit. I wonder if they will have
> a toll free number to call? A bank of phones with sales and service
> representatives standing by? A return policy?
>
> What about inventory? I think this is probably a guy selling out of his
> house and can't come close to Tower Hobbies in any business manner. I'm
> not a big Tower Hobbies buyer, but I know I can call and usually get
> anything I need and have it delivered within 5 days.
>
> Jim Smith
> --
> Blaming the gun for murder, is like blaming the car for hit and run!

Gordon Dunn

Feb 01, 2003, 10:32 AM

What kind of Store posts a statement like this, without giving store name,
brand names etc...? Missed marketing opportunity or just stupidity?
Do these guys think that 1 small store can have greater buying power than
Tower?

gd

"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
news:ZxO_9.13229$uE2.3562477680@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> Our store will be launching February 15th. You will be able to purchase a
> helicopter with everything you need including engine and radio for only
> $349. If our shipment from Taiwan arrives on time, you will also be able
to
> purchase RC gas-powered cars for only $169 complete and planes for only
$189
> complete.
>
> For the first six months we intend to destroy our competition (Tower
> Hobbies) by making zero profit. They will never come close to the prices
we
> can offer.
>
>

Bubba

Feb 01, 2003, 10:52 AM

On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:21:24 -0000, "Carl Farrington"
<carl@000compsup000.net> wrote:

>This kind of business may well be beneficial to you, and to buyers
>initially. It is not fair on other businesses, and the end result to the
>buyer will not be so special once the 'competition' has been annihilated and
>you have a monopoly on the marketplace.

I wouldn't worry about Tower much. They aren't going anywhere. Kind of
like trying to take down Walmart.

Bubba
HPI Micro RS4 Viper GTSR- Absolutely not for sale
AE RC10LSS Diablo VT- Maybe for sale
HPI RS4 Sport 2- Wanted, cheap and unbuilt ;)

Bubba

Feb 01, 2003, 10:52 AM

On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 11:52:25 GMT, "James" <james@agile.net> wrote:

>Our store will be launching February 15th. You will be able to purchase a
>helicopter with everything you need including engine and radio for only
>$349. If our shipment from Taiwan arrives on time, you will also be able to
>purchase RC gas-powered cars for only $169 complete and planes for only $189
>complete.
>
>For the first six months we intend to destroy our competition (Tower
>Hobbies) by making zero profit. They will never come close to the prices we
>can offer.

I'm going to take a look at what you have, but trying to put Tower out
of business isn't going to be easy unless you have a couple of million
dollars stashed away. They're a big company afterall.

Bubba
HPI Micro RS4 Viper GTSR- Absolutely not for sale
AE RC10LSS Diablo VT- Maybe for sale
HPI RS4 Sport 2- Wanted, cheap and unbuilt ;)

GYRO

Feb 01, 2003, 10:52 AM

Wrong news group!
Sounds fishy to!
"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
news:ZxO_9.13229$uE2.3562477680@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> Our store will be launching February 15th. You will be able to purchase a
> helicopter with everything you need including engine and radio for only
> $349. If our shipment from Taiwan arrives on time, you will also be able
to
> purchase RC gas-powered cars for only $169 complete and planes for only
$189
> complete.
>
> For the first six months we intend to destroy our competition (Tower
> Hobbies) by making zero profit. They will never come close to the prices
we
> can offer.
>
>

Drop Tank

Feb 01, 2003, 10:52 AM

Wrong news group
"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
news:ZxO_9.13229$uE2.3562477680@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> Our store will be launching February 15th. You will be able to purchase a
> helicopter with everything you need including engine and radio for only
> $349. If our shipment from Taiwan arrives on time, you will also be able
to
> purchase RC gas-powered cars for only $169 complete and planes for only
$189
> complete.
>
> For the first six months we intend to destroy our competition (Tower
> Hobbies) by making zero profit. They will never come close to the prices
we
> can offer.
>
>

noonehere

Feb 01, 2003, 11:12 AM

How do you figure? They're all RC newsgroups..

"GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote in message
news:kQR_9.8919$qg1.1305979@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> Wrong news group!
> Sounds fishy to!
> "James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
> news:ZxO_9.13229$uE2.3562477680@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> > Our store will be launching February 15th. You will be able to purchase
a
> > helicopter with everything you need including engine and radio for only
> > $349. If our shipment from Taiwan arrives on time, you will also be able
> to
> > purchase RC gas-powered cars for only $169 complete and planes for only
> $189
> > complete.
> >
> > For the first six months we intend to destroy our competition (Tower
> > Hobbies) by making zero profit. They will never come close to the prices
> we
> > can offer.
> >
> >
>
>

Herb Winston

Feb 01, 2003, 12:22 PM

Troll Alert!

--
Herb Winston AMA 50438
Bonita Springs, FL

"He may look like an idiot,
and he may sound like an idiot,
but don't let him fool you.
He really is an idiot."

Mark Twain
"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
news:ZxO_9.13229$uE2.3562477680@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
Our store will be launching February 15th. You will be able to purchase a
helicopter with everything you need including engine and radio for only
$349. If our shipment from Taiwan arrives on time, you will also be able to
purchase RC gas-powered cars for only $169 complete and planes for only $189
complete.

For the first six months we intend to destroy our competition (Tower
Hobbies) by making zero profit. They will never come close to the prices we
can offer.

Joel

Feb 01, 2003, 12:32 PM

Subject: Helicopters for only $349
Newsgroups sent to: rec.models.rc.air, rec.models.rc.helicopter,
rec.models.rc.land, rec.models.rc.misc, rec.models.rc.water

"noonehere" <c3technologies@comcastspamsandwich.net> wrote in message
news:edo8rqgyCHA.1616@cpimsnntpa03...
> How do you figure? They're all RC newsgroups..
>
>
> "GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote in message
> news:kQR_9.8919$qg1.1305979@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> > Wrong news group!
> > Sounds fishy to!
> > "James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
> > news:ZxO_9.13229$uE2.3562477680@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> > > Our store will be launching February 15th. You will be able to
purchase
> a
> > > helicopter with everything you need including engine and radio for
only
> > > $349. If our shipment from Taiwan arrives on time, you will also be
able
> > to
> > > purchase RC gas-powered cars for only $169 complete and planes for
only
> > $189
> > > complete.
> > >
> > > For the first six months we intend to destroy our competition (Tower
> > > Hobbies) by making zero profit. They will never come close to the
prices
> > we
> > > can offer.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Johnboy

Feb 01, 2003, 01:12 PM

That's nice, a chopper for a low price! This is what
some folks call a "Flash in the Pan"! Lets just set back
and have a good look see if these big boys are still selling
anything, much less still around in a year or so!
I'll still stick with somebody that has been around for
decades, and has the spare parts for my old bird ready
on the shelf. Anybody in the business will tell you about
the hundreds of wanna-be shops that thought they could
take over, yeah, right!

> > "GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote in message
> > news:kQR_9.8919$qg1.1305979@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> > > Wrong news group!
> > > Sounds fishy to!
> > > "James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
> > > news:ZxO_9.13229$uE2.3562477680@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> > > > Our store will be launching February 15th.
> > > >You will be able to purchase a helicopter with
> > > >everything you need including engine and radio for
> > > >only $349. If our shipment from Taiwan arrives on time,
> > > >you will also be able to purchase RC gas-powered
> > > >cars for only $169 complete and planes for only $189
> > > > complete.
> > > >
> > > > For the first six months we intend to destroy our competition
> > > > (Tower Hobbies) by making zero profit. They will never
> > > > come close to the prices we can offer.

Beav

Feb 01, 2003, 04:02 PM

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
news:b1ghh4$4mm$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> and once the competition has been annihilated? What do you plan to do
then?

Jack his prices probably, or start selling something worth buying.
>
> This kind of business may well be beneficial to you, and to buyers
> initially. It is not fair on other businesses, and the end result to the
> buyer will not be so special once the 'competition' has been annihilated
and
> you have a monopoly on the marketplace.

That'll never happen. "James" is only in the entry level market (if he's in
ANY market that is) and it's very well supported world wide. One guy/shop
won't kill the competition world wide in the same way that one heli won't
kill a particular market sector. We've heard plenty of stories how the
Raptor would kill off all the 30 sized heli's, but it didn't manage it. We
heard how the 30 market would kill off the 60 market, but THAT didn't happen
either.
>
> If you execute your business plan with the same attention to detail you
have
> shown in this announcement, then you'll be fucked from day one - I mean
who
> the hell are you? What's the name of your business? What brands and
products
> will you stock?

It looks like either the Lion series of heli's from Taiwan, or copies of the
Century Hawks (which began life as copies of the Lion series of heli's from
Taiwan) Whatever it is, it'll just be "A.N.Other heli at a knock down price.
No big deal. And he's been making this announcement for months too.

Where can we find the website to whet our appetite, or place
> advanced orders? This wonderful land of joy and buying opportunity will be
> ready to serve all our r/c needs in only two weeks, right? and you haven't
> even told us who you are.
>
> Anyhow I think you might find there is at least a small element of loyalty
> within this game, not just with local hobby shops, but also with trusted
> businesses 'friends' such as Cyberheli. I think it's fair to say Cyberheli
> can be seen as a friend to most of their customers, from all I have read
> going back through years of Usenet archives, and current opinion.

'Til a faster, cheaper or better service comes along. Then Cyber will go the
way of ALL those who've gone before when the competition latches onto the
fact that competition IS about price for LOTS of beginners in this hobby.
Cyber (as good as they are) have realised that keeping their prices where
they have is a good way to gain "loyalty".

>
> If you were selling Computer Software, then fair enough, you'd be doing
> exactly the same as Action (dot com) and Jungle (dot com), who were
selling
> Windows XP and such like at *below* cost on day 1 of the software's
release.
>
> Well anyway thanks for the announcement Mr ???? - sorry, you neglected to
> leave your surname.

It's a fair bet it's "Chan" or "Chen". The most popular names in Asia.:-)

--
Beav

Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

Drop Tank

Feb 01, 2003, 04:42 PM

Well scuse me for living!
"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
news:usW_9.9954$RZ.99808@newsfep4-win.server.ntli.net...
>
> "GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote in message
> news:kQR_9.8919$qg1.1305979@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> > Wrong news group!
>
> You have a REALLY weird way of looking at things pal. Since when did
> mentioning another discipline of the hobby make it "the wrong newsgroup"?
He
> mentioned heli's, planes cars. He posted to the heli, planes and car
groups.
> So which group was he wrong in posting to?
>
>
>
> --
> Beav
>
>
> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
> (with the obvious changes)
>
> Beavisland now lives at
> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>
>

Drop Tank

Feb 01, 2003, 04:42 PM

Was posted to the RC water NG
"Drop Tank" <DT@global.org> wrote in message
news:JPW_9.22545$hw4.1434957@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> Well scuse me for living!
> "Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
> news:usW_9.9954$RZ.99808@newsfep4-win.server.ntli.net...
> >
> > "GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote in message
> > news:kQR_9.8919$qg1.1305979@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> > > Wrong news group!
> >
> > You have a REALLY weird way of looking at things pal. Since when did
> > mentioning another discipline of the hobby make it "the wrong
newsgroup"?
> He
> > mentioned heli's, planes cars. He posted to the heli, planes and car
> groups.
> > So which group was he wrong in posting to?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Beav
> >
> >
> > Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot
com"
> > (with the obvious changes)
> >
> > Beavisland now lives at
> > www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
> >
> >
>
>

noonehere

Feb 01, 2003, 06:22 PM

Yes-- rec.rc means RC groups.

I stil don't get what point you are trying to make.....

"Joel" <joel_u@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9mT_9.1770$6P2.235613@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> Subject: Helicopters for only $349
> Newsgroups sent to: rec.models.rc.air, rec.models.rc.helicopter,
> rec.models.rc.land, rec.models.rc.misc, rec.models.rc.water
>
>
>
> "noonehere" <c3technologies@comcastspamsandwich.net> wrote in message
> news:edo8rqgyCHA.1616@cpimsnntpa03...
> > How do you figure? They're all RC newsgroups..
> >
> >
> > "GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote in message
> > news:kQR_9.8919$qg1.1305979@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> > > Wrong news group!
> > > Sounds fishy to!
> > > "James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
> > > news:ZxO_9.13229$uE2.3562477680@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> > > > Our store will be launching February 15th. You will be able to
> purchase
> > a
> > > > helicopter with everything you need including engine and radio for
> only
> > > > $349. If our shipment from Taiwan arrives on time, you will also be
> able
> > > to
> > > > purchase RC gas-powered cars for only $169 complete and planes for
> only
> > > $189
> > > > complete.
> > > >
> > > > For the first six months we intend to destroy our competition (Tower
> > > > Hobbies) by making zero profit. They will never come close to the
> prices
> > > we
> > > > can offer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Carl Farrington

Feb 01, 2003, 06:22 PM

"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
news:tsW_9.9953$RZ.99808@newsfep4-win.server.ntli.net...
>
> "Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
> news:b1ghh4$4mm$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> > and once the competition has been annihilated? What do you plan to do
> then?
>
> Jack his prices probably, or start selling something worth buying.
> >
> > This kind of business may well be beneficial to you, and to buyers
> > initially. It is not fair on other businesses, and the end result to the
> > buyer will not be so special once the 'competition' has been annihilated
> and
> > you have a monopoly on the marketplace.
>
> That'll never happen. "James" is only in the entry level market (if he's
in
> ANY market that is) and it's very well supported world wide. One guy/shop
> won't kill the competition world wide in the same way that one heli won't
> kill a particular market sector. We've heard plenty of stories how the
> Raptor would kill off all the 30 sized heli's, but it didn't manage it. We
> heard how the 30 market would kill off the 60 market, but THAT didn't
happen
> either.
> >
> > If you execute your business plan with the same attention to detail you
> have
> > shown in this announcement, then you'll be fucked from day one - I mean
> who
> > the hell are you? What's the name of your business? What brands and
> products
> > will you stock?
>
> It looks like either the Lion series of heli's from Taiwan, or copies of
the
> Century Hawks (which began life as copies of the Lion series of heli's
from
> Taiwan) Whatever it is, it'll just be "A.N.Other heli at a knock down
price.
> No big deal. And he's been making this announcement for months too.
>
> Where can we find the website to whet our appetite, or place
> > advanced orders? This wonderful land of joy and buying opportunity will
be
> > ready to serve all our r/c needs in only two weeks, right? and you
haven't
> > even told us who you are.
> >
> > Anyhow I think you might find there is at least a small element of
loyalty
> > within this game, not just with local hobby shops, but also with trusted
> > businesses 'friends' such as Cyberheli. I think it's fair to say
Cyberheli
> > can be seen as a friend to most of their customers, from all I have read
> > going back through years of Usenet archives, and current opinion.
>
> 'Til a faster, cheaper or better service comes along. Then Cyber will go
the
> way of ALL those who've gone before when the competition latches onto the
> fact that competition IS about price for LOTS of beginners in this hobby.
> Cyber (as good as they are) have realised that keeping their prices where
> they have is a good way to gain "loyalty".
>
> >
> > If you were selling Computer Software, then fair enough, you'd be doing
> > exactly the same as Action (dot com) and Jungle (dot com), who were
> selling
> > Windows XP and such like at *below* cost on day 1 of the software's
> release.
> >
> > Well anyway thanks for the announcement Mr ???? - sorry, you neglected
to
> > leave your surname.
>
> It's a fair bet it's "Chan" or "Chen". The most popular names in Asia.:-)
>
>
> --
> Beav
>

You're right Beav. I didn't for one minute think he would achieve what he's
setting out to. I just had issues about his business tactics, and plans to
kill off Tower. Sort of a moral outburst I suppose :)

I've never bought from either Tower or Cyberheli, but I still watch their
websites and read what others have to say. Apart from an absolutely huge
range of stock, the other thing that has stuck in my mind about Tower
Hobbies is their "Notes from tech. department:" notes at the bottom of many
item pages.
These are fantastic and date back years.. not sure how many years, but years
still :) This knowledge of their product & marketplace is something that can
only be built up over time.

There's many reasons why this James geezer should be ignored, but I just
felt an urge to have a go at his business tactics :)

p.s.
I hope you don't feel insulted that I haven't bitten your arm off at this
opportunity you've given me to come flying with you some time. I just
haven't/don't feel up to it yet :)

I hope the offer can remain open for a while. It's kind of as if Eddie Van
Halen had've offered to show me how he plays his guitar when I was 15. He
was god then, in my guitar years, and you're my heli god :)

James

Feb 01, 2003, 06:43 PM

We shall provide a 30 day warranty on everything we sell. Parts are
available at reasonable prices as well.

James

Feb 01, 2003, 06:43 PM

Please be patient. Our web designer is putting the final touches on the web
site and will announce it here on February 15th. We did not want to post a
URL where you could not buy yet.

James

Feb 01, 2003, 06:43 PM

Yes, we can get you replacement parts very quickly. In fact, we guarantee
that we will have parts in stock and they will ship within 24 hours or your
order is free!

James

Feb 01, 2003, 06:43 PM

Jim, no we will not have toll-free numbers available. This increases our
cost which gets past on to the customer anyway. We figure that consumers
such as yourself would rather have a better price. Just having an 800 number
would require us to add on about $20 to each helicopter.

Carl Farrington

Feb 01, 2003, 06:43 PM

James

Feb 01, 2003, 06:43 PM

We are selling clones of Century. If you want brand name, I would recommend
purchasing elsewhere. If you want the same quality as Century but at half
the price, then we are the place to purchase.

James

Feb 01, 2003, 06:43 PM

Honestly, yes we do have greater buying power than Tower Hobbies. We are
funded by several VC firms and have commitments to capital of $50 million.

Carl Farrington

Feb 01, 2003, 06:43 PM

haha

did you think that would go down well?

oh hang on. 30 days is good in this industry? geez I'm too used to the
computer lark

"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
news:IEY_9.13969$lH2.3595108503@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> We shall provide a 30 day warranty on everything we sell. Parts are
> available at reasonable prices as well.
>
>

Beav

Feb 01, 2003, 07:42 PM

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
news:b1hlf2$o6e$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> haha
>
> did you think that would go down well?
>
> oh hang on. 30 days is good in this industry?

30 MINUTES is good in this industry Carl :-)

Get stuff from a Scottish sounding named company and it's down to 30
SECONDS.

You're ENGINE blew up? I've never heard of THAT happening so it must've been
run too lean/too rich/too hot/too cool/too often/not often enough, with no
oil/too much oil/the WRONG oil, no nitro/too much nitro.

You're RADIO doesn't work? I've never heard of THAT happening so you must've
reversed the polarity when you charged it.

You're BATTERIES won't charge? I've never heard of THAT happening, maybe
another case of reverse polarity.

Ah the joys of helicoptering:-)

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Feb 01, 2003, 08:02 PM

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
news:b1hk06$7pe$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> "Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
> news:tsW_9.9953$RZ.99808@newsfep4-win.server.ntli.net...
> >
> > "Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
> > news:b1ghh4$4mm$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> > > and once the competition has been annihilated? What do you plan to do
> > then?
> >
> > Jack his prices probably, or start selling something worth buying.
> > >
> > > This kind of business may well be beneficial to you, and to buyers
> > > initially. It is not fair on other businesses, and the end result to
the
> > > buyer will not be so special once the 'competition' has been
annihilated
> > and
> > > you have a monopoly on the marketplace.
> >
> > That'll never happen. "James" is only in the entry level market (if he's
> in
> > ANY market that is) and it's very well supported world wide. One
guy/shop
> > won't kill the competition world wide in the same way that one heli
won't
> > kill a particular market sector. We've heard plenty of stories how the
> > Raptor would kill off all the 30 sized heli's, but it didn't manage it.
We
> > heard how the 30 market would kill off the 60 market, but THAT didn't
> happen
> > either.
> > >
> > > If you execute your business plan with the same attention to detail
you
> > have
> > > shown in this announcement, then you'll be fucked from day one - I
mean
> > who
> > > the hell are you? What's the name of your business? What brands and
> > products
> > > will you stock?
> >
> > It looks like either the Lion series of heli's from Taiwan, or copies of
> the
> > Century Hawks (which began life as copies of the Lion series of heli's
> from
> > Taiwan) Whatever it is, it'll just be "A.N.Other heli at a knock down
> price.
> > No big deal. And he's been making this announcement for months too.
> >
> > Where can we find the website to whet our appetite, or place
> > > advanced orders? This wonderful land of joy and buying opportunity
will
> be
> > > ready to serve all our r/c needs in only two weeks, right? and you
> haven't
> > > even told us who you are.
> > >
> > > Anyhow I think you might find there is at least a small element of
> loyalty
> > > within this game, not just with local hobby shops, but also with
trusted
> > > businesses 'friends' such as Cyberheli. I think it's fair to say
> Cyberheli
> > > can be seen as a friend to most of their customers, from all I have
read
> > > going back through years of Usenet archives, and current opinion.
> >
> > 'Til a faster, cheaper or better service comes along. Then Cyber will go
> the
> > way of ALL those who've gone before when the competition latches onto
the
> > fact that competition IS about price for LOTS of beginners in this
hobby.
> > Cyber (as good as they are) have realised that keeping their prices
where
> > they have is a good way to gain "loyalty".
> >
> > >
> > > If you were selling Computer Software, then fair enough, you'd be
doing
> > > exactly the same as Action (dot com) and Jungle (dot com), who were
> > selling
> > > Windows XP and such like at *below* cost on day 1 of the software's
> > release.
> > >
> > > Well anyway thanks for the announcement Mr ???? - sorry, you neglected
> to
> > > leave your surname.
> >
> > It's a fair bet it's "Chan" or "Chen". The most popular names in
Asia.:-)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Beav
> >
>
> You're right Beav. I didn't for one minute think he would achieve what
he's
> setting out to. I just had issues about his business tactics, and plans to
> kill off Tower. Sort of a moral outburst I suppose :)

The thing is Carl, he probably WILL be selling heli's at a knock down price.

>
> I've never bought from either Tower or Cyberheli, but I still watch their
> websites and read what others have to say. Apart from an absolutely huge
> range of stock, the other thing that has stuck in my mind about Tower
> Hobbies is their "Notes from tech. department:" notes at the bottom of
many
> item pages.
> These are fantastic and date back years.. not sure how many years, but
years
> still :) This knowledge of their product & marketplace is something that
can
> only be built up over time.

That's good IF you can get to talk to anyone at Tower. Do a "Google" on
Tower and see the "testimoanials":-)
>
> There's many reasons why this James geezer should be ignored, but I just
> felt an urge to have a go at his business tactics :)
>
> p.s.
> I hope you don't feel insulted that I haven't bitten your arm off at this
> opportunity you've given me to come flying with you some time. I just
> haven't/don't feel up to it yet :)

Not at all. We've not had much opportunity to fly anyway. It's been a bit
blowy these past couple of weeks and today it was pissing down so I played
with the "other" instruments instead. (Gotta love them SG's :-)

>I hope the offer can remain open for a while. It's kind of as if Eddie Van
>Halen had've offered to show me how he plays his guitar when I was 15. He
>was god then, in my guitar years, and you're my heli god :)

Fuck off:-) If you like Van Halens guitar playing, wait 'til you hear my pal
John. He'll make you cry, REALLY!

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Beav

Feb 01, 2003, 08:02 PM

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
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> > 'Til a faster, cheaper or better service comes along. Then Cyber will go
> the
> > way of ALL those who've gone before when the competition latches onto
the
> > fact that competition IS about price for LOTS of beginners in this
hobby.
> > Cyber (as good as they are) have realised that keeping their prices
where
> > they have is a good way to gain "loyalty".
> >
>
> Yeah you're right on the loyalty thing too. I suppose none of us ever have
> as much money as we would like to have, and with heli's being such an
> expensive hobby, one does tend to be conscious of the costs when deciding
on
> what & where to purchase.

That's true for about 99% of people in ANY hobby, although in this one,
there's the odd exception (Peter Wales take note:-)) This DOES make price a
major consideration and it's why Cyberheli is so popular among this happy
band. Excellent delivery times and great prices. If ANYONE can match that,
they'll do well until another "James" comes along and snatches the rug from
under.

>
> I think most of us fair people *want* to be 'loyal' and support our LHS,
or
> any other local private business for that matter, but they do have to be
at
> least close when it comes to being competitive on price.

Most of us have TRIED being loyal to our LHS, but it's they keep going tits
up and leaving us high and dry. How inconsiderate can these buggers be I
wonder:-) I know one of the reasons they DO go tits up is because of
overseas competition beating them hands down on prices, but when you see ads
for (as an example) an X-cell at 1200 dollars in the states and over here
it's 1900 QUID, loyalty quickly takes a back seat.

And I don't want to hear (or read about in magazines) the problems the shop
owners/dealers have or the reasons they offer to justify more than doubling
the price of an item. Look at the car industry now. Tey're having to do a
MAJOR re-think on pricing in this country, and it would've happened sooner
if buying a car was as simple as an "Add to cart" click on a mouse.

>
> I know people rave on about Cyberheli having rock bottom prices, and
getting
> stuff to them in like 1-2 days, from Hong Kong!, but the things that stuck
> in my head were stories about Mr Cyberheli (sorry, forgotten his name)
going
> to the Thunder Tiger (or a.another company) head office / factory either
on
> business or because they were showing him around, and he mentioned in
> passing that one of his customers had sent an engine back in for repair
and
> was still waiting for it to come back. Apparently after having waited two
> months, the guy got his engine almost immediately after Mr Cyberheli's
> mention of it, along with a letter of apology :)

Yeah, but life's full of anecdotes like that. One man says another man did
this and everything's Ok. What SHOULD'VE happened though is Cyberheli
should've replaced the engine themselves and THEN sent the damaged one back
to TT. After all, they WERE the vendor and it's THEIR responsibility to sell
goods of merchantable quality, not the manufacturers to sort out retail
problems

>
> That's cool. I don't think it was Thunder Tiger, might've been Enya or
> someone, and I hope I'm not completely inaccurate on the story as it was
> ages ago that I read it, but it just makes me think.. this guy is
respected
> in this industry, and is worthy of it too.

Absolutely, but that's quickly forgotten when the shop next door starts
flogging the same gear (or gear of a similar type and same quality) for half
the price. Loyalty is nailed to the front of a chequebook:-)

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Feb 01, 2003, 08:02 PM

"Drop Tank" <DT@global.org> wrote in message
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> Well scuse me for living!

Who're you? (I have the answer btw)

Beav, but not this Beav, another one

Beav

Feb 01, 2003, 08:02 PM

"Drop Tank" <DT@global.org> wrote in message
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> Was posted to the RC water NG

Maybe they have a model of James Bond's Lotus.

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GYRO

Feb 01, 2003, 11:22 PM

btw ? what? Go ahead
"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Drop Tank" <DT@global.org> wrote in message
> news:JPW_9.22545$hw4.1434957@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > Well scuse me for living!
>
> Who're you? (I have the answer btw)
>
> Beav, but not this Beav, another one
>
>

GYRO

Feb 01, 2003, 11:22 PM

Lotus?
"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Drop Tank" <DT@global.org> wrote in message
> news:KSW_9.22568$hw4.1435432@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > Was posted to the RC water NG
>
> Maybe they have a model of James Bond's Lotus.
>
>
> --
> Beav
>
>
> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
> (with the obvious changes)
>
> Beavisland now lives at
> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>
>

Bubba

Feb 01, 2003, 11:44 PM

On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 23:12:05 -0600, "GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote:

>Lotus?

The one that turns into a submarine. I want a 200mm Aston Martin
Vanquish, though.

Bubba
HPI Micro RS4 Viper GTSR- Absolutely not for sale
AE RC10LSS Diablo VT- Maybe for sale
HPI RS4 Sport 2- Wanted, cheap and unbuilt ;)

GYRO

Feb 02, 2003, 12:22 AM

HMMM!
"Bubba" <bubba@beer.com> wrote in message
news:3e3c9eef.201306230@news.dallas.sbcglobal.net. ..
> On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 23:12:05 -0600, "GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote:
>
> >Lotus?
>
> The one that turns into a submarine. I want a 200mm Aston Martin
> Vanquish, though.
>
> Bubba
> HPI Micro RS4 Viper GTSR- Absolutely not for sale
> AE RC10LSS Diablo VT- Maybe for sale
> HPI RS4 Sport 2- Wanted, cheap and unbuilt ;)

Gordon Dunn

Feb 02, 2003, 04:32 AM

I smell a rat here-- this is a hoax!

What right minded business would do this. If its pure profit these VC
companies are after then R/C helis are not the best market- especially if
you are cloning a Century. If i wanted a Century, I'd buy one. What the
markets need is innovation- if you're going do come into this field bring
something new with you, and you might earn a bit of respect and credibility-
instead of trying to buy someone elses.

GD

"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
news:CKY_9.13974$SO2.3595594898@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> Honestly, yes we do have greater buying power than Tower Hobbies. We are
> funded by several VC firms and have commitments to capital of $50 million.
>
>

Beav

Feb 02, 2003, 07:12 AM

"Gordon Dunn" <mail@gordondunn.co.uk> wrote in message
news:b1inth$q2p$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I smell a rat here-- this is a hoax!

Gordon, I don't know this bloke from Adam, but I bet it's not.
>
> What right minded business would do this. If its pure profit these VC
> companies are after then R/C helis are not the best market- especially if
> you are cloning a Century. If i wanted a Century, I'd buy one. What the
> markets need is innovation- if you're going do come into this field bring
> something new with you, and you might earn a bit of respect and
credibility-
> instead of trying to buy someone elses.

Imagine a scenario where a company imports a "foreign" manufacturers
products for close on 20 years and has exclusive importation/distribution
rights and then "designs" and markets it's own "new" machine which looks,
measures, and FLIES so much like the originally imported design that it's
not even funny. Can you imagine that? Would you imagine that this company
would be successful?

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Feb 02, 2003, 07:12 AM

"GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote in message
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> Lotus?

Yeah, it's a car (reputedly)

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GYRO

Feb 02, 2003, 12:02 PM

Oh I see!
Thought "Lotus" was another model of heli'
"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote in message
> news:lV0%9.30408$Xq4.1379085@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > Lotus?
>
> Yeah, it's a car (reputedly)
>
>
> --
> Beav
>
>
> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
> (with the obvious changes)
>
> Beavisland now lives at
> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>
>

Paul - xxx

Feb 02, 2003, 12:42 PM

James deftly scribbled ;

> Honestly, yes we do have greater buying power than Tower Hobbies. We
> are funded by several VC firms and have commitments to capital of $50
> million.

And you advertise on a newsgroup ... yeah, that rings true .. NOT ;)

--
....................................Paul-xxx
Seti 1384 wu in 9847 hours

Carl Farrington

Feb 02, 2003, 07:04 PM

"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
> news:b1hk06$7pe$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> >
> > "Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:tsW_9.9953$RZ.99808@newsfep4-win.server.ntli.net...
> > >
> > > "Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
> > > news:b1ghh4$4mm$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> > > > and once the competition has been annihilated? What do you plan to
do
> > > then?
> > >
> > > Jack his prices probably, or start selling something worth buying.
> > > >
> > > > This kind of business may well be beneficial to you, and to buyers
> > > > initially. It is not fair on other businesses, and the end result to
> the
> > > > buyer will not be so special once the 'competition' has been
> annihilated
> > > and
> > > > you have a monopoly on the marketplace.
> > >
> > > That'll never happen. "James" is only in the entry level market (if
he's
> > in
> > > ANY market that is) and it's very well supported world wide. One
> guy/shop
> > > won't kill the competition world wide in the same way that one heli
> won't
> > > kill a particular market sector. We've heard plenty of stories how the
> > > Raptor would kill off all the 30 sized heli's, but it didn't manage
it.
> We
> > > heard how the 30 market would kill off the 60 market, but THAT didn't
> > happen
> > > either.
> > > >
> > > > If you execute your business plan with the same attention to detail
> you
> > > have
> > > > shown in this announcement, then you'll be fucked from day one - I
> mean
> > > who
> > > > the hell are you? What's the name of your business? What brands and
> > > products
> > > > will you stock?
> > >
> > > It looks like either the Lion series of heli's from Taiwan, or copies
of
> > the
> > > Century Hawks (which began life as copies of the Lion series of heli's
> > from
> > > Taiwan) Whatever it is, it'll just be "A.N.Other heli at a knock down
> > price.
> > > No big deal. And he's been making this announcement for months too.
> > >
> > > Where can we find the website to whet our appetite, or place
> > > > advanced orders? This wonderful land of joy and buying opportunity
> will
> > be
> > > > ready to serve all our r/c needs in only two weeks, right? and you
> > haven't
> > > > even told us who you are.
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow I think you might find there is at least a small element of
> > loyalty
> > > > within this game, not just with local hobby shops, but also with
> trusted
> > > > businesses 'friends' such as Cyberheli. I think it's fair to say
> > Cyberheli
> > > > can be seen as a friend to most of their customers, from all I have
> read
> > > > going back through years of Usenet archives, and current opinion.
> > >
> > > 'Til a faster, cheaper or better service comes along. Then Cyber will
go
> > the
> > > way of ALL those who've gone before when the competition latches onto
> the
> > > fact that competition IS about price for LOTS of beginners in this
> hobby.
> > > Cyber (as good as they are) have realised that keeping their prices
> where
> > > they have is a good way to gain "loyalty".
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If you were selling Computer Software, then fair enough, you'd be
> doing
> > > > exactly the same as Action (dot com) and Jungle (dot com), who were
> > > selling
> > > > Windows XP and such like at *below* cost on day 1 of the software's
> > > release.
> > > >
> > > > Well anyway thanks for the announcement Mr ???? - sorry, you
neglected
> > to
> > > > leave your surname.
> > >
> > > It's a fair bet it's "Chan" or "Chen". The most popular names in
> Asia.:-)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Beav
> > >
> >
> > You're right Beav. I didn't for one minute think he would achieve what
> he's
> > setting out to. I just had issues about his business tactics, and plans
to
> > kill off Tower. Sort of a moral outburst I suppose :)
>
> The thing is Carl, he probably WILL be selling heli's at a knock down
price.
>
> >
> > I've never bought from either Tower or Cyberheli, but I still watch
their
> > websites and read what others have to say. Apart from an absolutely huge
> > range of stock, the other thing that has stuck in my mind about Tower
> > Hobbies is their "Notes from tech. department:" notes at the bottom of
> many
> > item pages.
> > These are fantastic and date back years.. not sure how many years, but
> years
> > still :) This knowledge of their product & marketplace is something that
> can
> > only be built up over time.
>
> That's good IF you can get to talk to anyone at Tower. Do a "Google" on
> Tower and see the "testimoanials":-)
> >
> > There's many reasons why this James geezer should be ignored, but I just
> > felt an urge to have a go at his business tactics :)
> >
> > p.s.
> > I hope you don't feel insulted that I haven't bitten your arm off at
this
> > opportunity you've given me to come flying with you some time. I just
> > haven't/don't feel up to it yet :)
>
> Not at all. We've not had much opportunity to fly anyway. It's been a bit
> blowy these past couple of weeks and today it was pissing down so I played
> with the "other" instruments instead. (Gotta love them SG's :-)
>
> >I hope the offer can remain open for a while. It's kind of as if Eddie
Van
> >Halen had've offered to show me how he plays his guitar when I was 15. He
> >was god then, in my guitar years, and you're my heli god :)
>
> Fuck off:-) If you like Van Halens guitar playing, wait 'til you hear my
pal
> John. He'll make you cry, REALLY!
>

lol :-) EVH has always been mr spectacular to me. I appreciate other skilled
guitarists too, liek satch, and vai with his funk-jazz mix stuff, and the
solo from Another brick in the wall part II is fluid as hell and an awesome
performance, but EVH's powerful sound kicks ass

Beav

Feb 02, 2003, 09:02 PM

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
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> John. He'll make you cry, REALLY!
> >
>
> lol :-) EVH has always been mr spectacular to me. I appreciate other
skilled
> guitarists too, liek satch, and vai with his funk-jazz mix stuff, and the
> solo from Another brick in the wall part II is fluid as hell and an
awesome
> performance, but EVH's powerful sound kicks ass

Kicks arse too I bet:-)

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Carl Farrington

Feb 02, 2003, 10:52 PM

"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
> news:b1jpa0$1vr$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > John. He'll make you cry, REALLY!
> > >
> >
> > lol :-) EVH has always been mr spectacular to me. I appreciate other
> skilled
> > guitarists too, liek satch, and vai with his funk-jazz mix stuff, and
the
> > solo from Another brick in the wall part II is fluid as hell and an
> awesome
> > performance, but EVH's powerful sound kicks ass
>
> Kicks arse too I bet:-)

oh yeah that's what I meant :-)

>
>
> --
> Beav
>
>
> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
> (with the obvious changes)
>
> Beavisland now lives at
> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>
>

Tempestnightmare

Feb 03, 2003, 12:33 AM

yea if ya sell one a week...A toll free # is not that much....
Jon

"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
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> Jim, no we will not have toll-free numbers available. This increases our
> cost which gets past on to the customer anyway. We figure that consumers
> such as yourself would rather have a better price. Just having an 800
number
> would require us to add on about $20 to each helicopter.
>
>

Tempestnightmare

Feb 03, 2003, 12:33 AM

This sounds like the same bullshit from someone else about the nitros kits
they where going to sell and how great it will be....and then
nothing....dead in the water...JAMES..you have a lot to learn about
marketing...I suggest you go back to working at McDonalds and leave the
business world to the pros.
Jon

"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
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> We are selling clones of Century. If you want brand name, I would
recommend
> purchasing elsewhere. If you want the same quality as Century but at half
> the price, then we are the place to purchase.
>
>

Jason W

Feb 03, 2003, 12:33 PM

You know I almost considerd buying somthing from you undill that is I saw
you posed the exact same thing on every single R/C news group now becasue of
that I will not buy anything
"noonehere" <c3technologies@comcastspamsandwich.net> wrote in message
news:O1tkNZkyCHA.2236@cpimsnntpa03...
> Yes-- rec.rc means RC groups.
>
> I stil don't get what point you are trying to make.....
>
>
> "Joel" <joel_u@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:9mT_9.1770$6P2.235613@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> > Subject: Helicopters for only $349
> > Newsgroups sent to: rec.models.rc.air, rec.models.rc.helicopter,
> > rec.models.rc.land, rec.models.rc.misc, rec.models.rc.water
> >
> >
> >
> > "noonehere" <c3technologies@comcastspamsandwich.net> wrote in message
> > news:edo8rqgyCHA.1616@cpimsnntpa03...
> > > How do you figure? They're all RC newsgroups..
> > >
> > >
> > > "GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote in message
> > > news:kQR_9.8919$qg1.1305979@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> > > > Wrong news group!
> > > > Sounds fishy to!
> > > > "James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:ZxO_9.13229$uE2.3562477680@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> > > > > Our store will be launching February 15th. You will be able to
> > purchase
> > > a
> > > > > helicopter with everything you need including engine and radio for
> > only
> > > > > $349. If our shipment from Taiwan arrives on time, you will also
be
> > able
> > > > to
> > > > > purchase RC gas-powered cars for only $169 complete and planes for
> > only
> > > > $189
> > > > > complete.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the first six months we intend to destroy our competition
(Tower
> > > > > Hobbies) by making zero profit. They will never come close to the
> > prices
> > > > we
> > > > > can offer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Joe L.

Feb 03, 2003, 12:52 PM

Jason, For one who has not even lived one lifetime, you are a very wise
man, Dr. Van Helsing. - Count Alucard

Jason W wrote:
>
> You know I almost considerd buying somthing from you undill that is I saw
> you posed the exact same thing on every single R/C news group now becasue of
> that I will not buy anything
> "noonehere" <c3technologies@comcastspamsandwich.net> wrote in message
> news:O1tkNZkyCHA.2236@cpimsnntpa03...
> > Yes-- rec.rc means RC groups.

> admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost
$USER@localhost
> $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com

James

Feb 03, 2003, 08:22 PM

We plan on selling 100 the first week of operation. At $349, we hope that
many others will join our hobby. Right now the price of entry keeps it from
expanding.

"Tempestnightmare" <tempestnightmare@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:e7acnbVZEK5bbKCjXTWc2Q@comcast.com...
> yea if ya sell one a week...A toll free # is not that much....
> Jon
>
> "James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
> news:PIY_9.13972$GM2.3595451533@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> > Jim, no we will not have toll-free numbers available. This increases our
> > cost which gets past on to the customer anyway. We figure that consumers
> > such as yourself would rather have a better price. Just having an 800
> number
> > would require us to add on about $20 to each helicopter.
> >
> >
>
>

James

Feb 03, 2003, 08:22 PM

The VC market understands the differences between wholesale and retail. Once
we establish a good base of customers, we will then start with our own
designs. Right now, we have chosen a path that is easier to get off the
ground and that starts with cloning.

Our shipment from Taiwan has arrived today. We have received a total of 1000
kits and will be testing them for quality assurance purposes over the next
week.

Thank you in advance for your support.

"Gordon Dunn" <mail@gordondunn.co.uk> wrote in message
news:b1inth$q2p$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I smell a rat here-- this is a hoax!
>
> What right minded business would do this. If its pure profit these VC
> companies are after then R/C helis are not the best market- especially if
> you are cloning a Century. If i wanted a Century, I'd buy one. What the
> markets need is innovation- if you're going do come into this field bring
> something new with you, and you might earn a bit of respect and
credibility-
> instead of trying to buy someone elses.
>
>
> GD
>
>
> "James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
> news:CKY_9.13974$SO2.3595594898@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> > Honestly, yes we do have greater buying power than Tower Hobbies. We are
> > funded by several VC firms and have commitments to capital of $50
million.
> >
> >
>
>

James

Feb 03, 2003, 08:22 PM

Sorry, this was not meant to be advertising. I simply follow newsgroups and
yahoo groups where fellow hobbiests hang out.

"Paul - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b1jkr7$12cvfh$1@ID-137265.news.dfncis.de...
> James deftly scribbled ;
>
> > Honestly, yes we do have greater buying power than Tower Hobbies. We
> > are funded by several VC firms and have commitments to capital of $50
> > million.
>
> And you advertise on a newsgroup ... yeah, that rings true .. NOT ;)
>
> --
> ...................................Paul-xxx
> Seti 1384 wu in 9847 hours
>
>

Stephen Bell

Feb 04, 2003, 04:02 PM

James,

Don't let them bully you. They haven't had any tail for quite a while.Go get
em!

cheers
rt
James <james@agile.net> wrote in message
news:GJY_9.13973$pO2.3595565076@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> We are selling clones of Century. If you want brand name, I would
recommend
> purchasing elsewhere. If you want the same quality as Century but at half
> the price, then we are the place to purchase.
>
>

Trailer Hook

Feb 05, 2003, 03:12 AM

A clone is never as good as the "real thing"
"Stephen Bell" <nospam@weainttellin.com> wrote in message
news:ZEV%9.2517$CF1.601979@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> James,
>
> Don't let them bully you. They haven't had any tail for quite a while.Go
get
> em!
>
> cheers
> rt
> James <james@agile.net> wrote in message
> news:GJY_9.13973$pO2.3595565076@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> > We are selling clones of Century. If you want brand name, I would
> recommend
> > purchasing elsewhere. If you want the same quality as Century but at
half
> > the price, then we are the place to purchase.
> >
> >
>
>

Penguin254

Feb 06, 2003, 10:02 PM

I am waiting for the website URL.
Will you take AMEX? :-)
Mark

"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
news:IEY_9.13969$lH2.3595108503@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> We shall provide a 30 day warranty on everything we sell. Parts are
> available at reasonable prices as well.
>
>

James

Feb 09, 2003, 12:13 PM

I do have some bad news. As I previously mentioned, we received 1000
helicopters from Taiwan. We setup approx 20 for quality control purposes and
had 3 that did not pass our quality control. We are determining whether we
should launch on the 15th as promised or figure something else out.

Would love to know from members on this list if we sold the helicopters at
the same price but extended the warranty to two full years and provided 30
days crash protection would this be acceptable for taking the risk that you
may get a defective heli although it may not be likely.

BBA

Feb 09, 2003, 03:22 PM

"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
news:pLv1a.16321$CF4.3949111427@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> I do have some bad news. As I previously mentioned, we received 1000
> helicopters from Taiwan. We setup approx 20 for quality control purposes and
> had 3 that did not pass our quality control. We are determining whether we
> should launch on the 15th as promised or figure something else out.
>
> Would love to know from members on this list if we sold the helicopters at
> the same price but extended the warranty to two full years and provided 30
> days crash protection would this be acceptable for taking the risk that you
> may get a defective heli although it may not be likely.
>

LOL >> keep it up you friggen TROLL...... <Evil Grin>

BBA
--
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Trailer Hook

Feb 09, 2003, 04:42 PM

If they are defective then just give em' away for FREE!
"James" <james@agile.net> wrote in message
news:pLv1a.16321$CF4.3949111427@newssvr10.news.pro digy.com...
> I do have some bad news. As I previously mentioned, we received 1000
> helicopters from Taiwan. We setup approx 20 for quality control purposes
and
> had 3 that did not pass our quality control. We are determining whether we
> should launch on the 15th as promised or figure something else out.
>
> Would love to know from members on this list if we sold the helicopters at
> the same price but extended the warranty to two full years and provided 30
> days crash protection would this be acceptable for taking the risk that
you
> may get a defective heli although it may not be likely.
>
>

eric the brave

Feb 09, 2003, 06:12 PM

James wrote:
>
> I do have some bad news. As I previously mentioned, we received 1000
> helicopters from Taiwan. We setup approx 20 for quality control purposes and
> had 3 that did not pass our quality control. We are determining whether we
> should launch on the 15th as promised or figure something else out.
>
> Would love to know from members on this list if we sold the helicopters at
> the same price but extended the warranty to two full years and provided 30
> days crash protection would this be acceptable for taking the risk that you
> may get a defective heli although it may not be likely.

Send us all the helicopters. We will QA them for you. If any of them
PASS the QA test we will send them back to you.

HTH

--
SimonB - South Wales.

Trailer Hook

Feb 09, 2003, 07:12 PM

Hand them out for free!
I guess poor quality is what you get when trying to clone a good product!
"eric the brave" <simon_batey@ixion.org.uk> wrote in message
news:3E46DA67.5DEE0417@ixion.org.uk...
> James wrote:
> >
> > I do have some bad news. As I previously mentioned, we received 1000
> > helicopters from Taiwan. We setup approx 20 for quality control purposes
and
> > had 3 that did not pass our quality control. We are determining whether
we
> > should launch on the 15th as promised or figure something else out.
> >
> > Would love to know from members on this list if we sold the helicopters
at
> > the same price but extended the warranty to two full years and provided
30
> > days crash protection would this be acceptable for taking the risk that
you
> > may get a defective heli although it may not be likely.
>
> Send us all the helicopters. We will QA them for you. If any of them
> PASS the QA test we will send them back to you.
>
> HTH
>
>
> --
> SimonB - South Wales.

Greg Seewald

Feb 10, 2003, 02:02 PM

Buyer Beware!
Just some thoughts on my part.
This could be a real good deal, or a well planned rip off.
Consider this scenario:
I post to several hobby related newsgroups that I can sell a clone of a
quality helicopter with engine etc for only $349.00. I will also have
quality airplane and car packages available at low prices.
I state that I can beat out ANY competitors prices for similar quality RC
items (Tower)
I start a post stating my intentions months before the "final blow".
After a short period of time I post again stating that the deal has been
done, and the products are on a ship from Taiwan.
During this time all the newsgroup talk is about the quality of the kits,
how I can do this at no profit, how there is no way I can put Tower out of
the heli kit business , etc. Nothing about the possibility of this being a
scam.
At this point there is still no web page for my business, no toll free
number to call, nothing.
Finally another post shows up stating that I am now taking orders for the
helicopter, car and airplane kits. Lets say I only get a hundred orders
placed. That is just short of $35,000 in the pocket, and I am gone, never
to be heard from again.
Not a bad pay day for a grand total of about 2 hours of work posting and
answering posts.

Greg

"Paul - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b1gi5p$12q3n9$1@ID-137265.news.dfncis.de...
> James deftly scribbled ;
>
> Fuckk all of any worth ...
>
> --
> ...................................Paul-xxx
> Seti 1382 wu in 9833 hours
>
>

Trailer Hook

Feb 10, 2003, 02:32 PM

I totally agree!
"Greg Seewald" <gregsee@integraonline.com> wrote in message
news:v4ft2r8ff9qd1d@corp.supernews.com...
> Buyer Beware!
> Just some thoughts on my part.
> This could be a real good deal, or a well planned rip off.
> Consider this scenario:
> I post to several hobby related newsgroups that I can sell a clone of a
> quality helicopter with engine etc for only $349.00. I will also have
> quality airplane and car packages available at low prices.
> I state that I can beat out ANY competitors prices for similar quality RC
> items (Tower)
> I start a post stating my intentions months before the "final blow".
> After a short period of time I post again stating that the deal has been
> done, and the products are on a ship from Taiwan.
> During this time all the newsgroup talk is about the quality of the kits,
> how I can do this at no profit, how there is no way I can put Tower out of
> the heli kit business , etc. Nothing about the possibility of this being a
> scam.
> At this point there is still no web page for my business, no toll free
> number to call, nothing.
> Finally another post shows up stating that I am now taking orders for the
> helicopter, car and airplane kits. Lets say I only get a hundred orders
> placed. That is just short of $35,000 in the pocket, and I am gone, never
> to be heard from again.
> Not a bad pay day for a grand total of about 2 hours of work posting and
> answering posts.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> "Paul - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b1gi5p$12q3n9$1@ID-137265.news.dfncis.de...
> > James deftly scribbled ;
> >
> > Fuckk all of any worth ...
> >
> > --
> > ...................................Paul-xxx
> > Seti 1382 wu in 9833 hours
> >
> >
>
>

BBA

Feb 10, 2003, 02:42 PM

> Buyer Beware!
> Just some thoughts on my part.
> This could be a real good deal, or a well planned rip off.
> Consider this scenario:
> I post to several hobby related newsgroups that I can sell a clone of a
> quality helicopter with engine etc for only $349.00. I will also have
> quality airplane and car packages available at low prices.
> I state that I can beat out ANY competitors prices for similar quality RC
> items (Tower)
> I start a post stating my intentions months before the "final blow".
> After a short period of time I post again stating that the deal has been
> done, and the products are on a ship from Taiwan.
> During this time all the newsgroup talk is about the quality of the kits,
> how I can do this at no profit, how there is no way I can put Tower out of
> the heli kit business , etc. Nothing about the possibility of this being a
> scam.
> At this point there is still no web page for my business, no toll free
> number to call, nothing.
> Finally another post shows up stating that I am now taking orders for the
> helicopter, car and airplane kits. Lets say I only get a hundred orders
> placed. That is just short of $35,000 in the pocket, and I am gone, never
> to be heard from again.

this guy doesn't have the brains to pull off something like that....

decide for yourself >> is this guy for real or??? >> I think NOT >> In Fact I'd
put money on it! wanna make it interesting? I'll bet $20 bucks that he's full
of it. anyone wanna join in?

any ways here's a link to most if not all of this creeps postings

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=james%40agile.net&num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa
=N&scoring=d

BBA

HardwareLust

Feb 11, 2003, 12:22 AM

"Greg Seewald" <gregsee@integraonline.com> wrote in message
news:v4ft2r8ff9qd1d@corp.supernews.com...
> Buyer Beware!

<snip>

He's either a con-artist, or the most dedicated troll we've ever seen. If
he doesn't go away soon, I'll start to think he's a con-artist, but
considering how he's kind of fading in-and-out of the ng, I would tend to
believe he's just a very creative troll.

If he is a con-artist, it sure would be nice of us to make sure some newbie
doesn't get sucked into the con.

Paul - xxx

Feb 11, 2003, 05:22 AM

Isn't that what I said .. ;)

Greg Seewald deftly scribbled:

> Buyer Beware!
> Just some thoughts on my part.
> This could be a real good deal, or a well planned rip off.
> Consider this scenario:
> I post to several hobby related newsgroups that I can sell a clone of
> a quality helicopter with engine etc for only $349.00. I will also
> have quality airplane and car packages available at low prices.
> I state that I can beat out ANY competitors prices for similar
> quality RC items (Tower)
> I start a post stating my intentions months before the "final blow".
> After a short period of time I post again stating that the deal has
> been done, and the products are on a ship from Taiwan.
> During this time all the newsgroup talk is about the quality of the
> kits, how I can do this at no profit, how there is no way I can put
> Tower out of the heli kit business , etc. Nothing about the
> possibility of this being a scam.
> At this point there is still no web page for my business, no toll free
> number to call, nothing.
> Finally another post shows up stating that I am now taking orders for
> the helicopter, car and airplane kits. Lets say I only get a hundred
> orders placed. That is just short of $35,000 in the pocket, and I am
> gone, never to be heard from again.
> Not a bad pay day for a grand total of about 2 hours of work posting
> and answering posts.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> "Paul - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b1gi5p$12q3n9$1@ID-137265.news.dfncis.de...
>> James deftly scribbled ;
>>
>> Fuckk all of any worth ...

--
....................................Paul-xxx
Seti 1404 wu in 10095 hours
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/

James Calivar

Feb 11, 2003, 11:32 AM

A quick search of the Google archives reveal these choice quotes from
our dear friend James (james@agile.net):

"Many people call you homophobic because you hate gay people. This is
a compliment. God mandated in the Torah that they be stoned. Ask any
Jew."

"Oh, Susan how I love Jewish women. The way they suck and will make us
Arab
men feel so good."

"Muslims do not support death. Peace is the way of the righteous..."

"Why is this anti-semetic? Was she stupid? Was she a jew? Was she a
bitch? If
you answered yes to all three questions, then the umpire was right by
calling her a stupid jew bitch..."

"Heller Information Services just released a survey indicating that
69% of
all Jewish women prefer black men as their sexual partner. 32% of all
Jewish
women indicated their second choice was Indian men.

The study also found that 88% of all Indian women have had dreams
about
having sex with black men but are afraid to act on their feelings due
to
societal pressure."

I ask you this: is this the kind of person you would like to do
business with?

Regards,

James Calivar (not the James quoted above!!!)
=============================================

"Paul - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<b2ai67$19scbk$1@ID-137265.news.dfncis.de>...
> Isn't that what I said .. ;)
>
> Greg Seewald deftly scribbled:
>
> > Buyer Beware!
> > Just some thoughts on my part.
> > This could be a real good deal, or a well planned rip off.
> > Consider this scenario:
> > I post to several hobby related newsgroups that I can sell a clone of
> > a quality helicopter with engine etc for only $349.00. I will also
> > have quality airplane and car packages available at low prices.
> > I state that I can beat out ANY competitors prices for similar
> > quality RC items (Tower)
> > I start a post stating my intentions months before the "final blow".
> > After a short period of time I post again stating that the deal has
> > been done, and the products are on a ship from Taiwan.
> > During this time all the newsgroup talk is about the quality of the
> > kits, how I can do this at no profit, how there is no way I can put
> > Tower out of the heli kit business , etc. Nothing about the
> > possibility of this being a scam.
> > At this point there is still no web page for my business, no toll free
> > number to call, nothing.
> > Finally another post shows up stating that I am now taking orders for
> > the helicopter, car and airplane kits. Lets say I only get a hundred
> > orders placed. That is just short of $35,000 in the pocket, and I am
> > gone, never to be heard from again.
> > Not a bad pay day for a grand total of about 2 hours of work posting
> > and answering posts.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:b1gi5p$12q3n9$1@ID-137265.news.dfncis.de...
> >> James deftly scribbled ;
> >>
> >> Fuckk all of any worth ...