What connectors? Deans Ultra or Powerpoles?

[Gav]

I am thinking of changing the tamiya type connectors on my car. Whats the
best type of connector to replace them with? From what I've read on the web
the popular types seem to be Deans Ultra or PowerPole connectors, I found
technical specs for PowerPole but not for Deans Ultra so I cannot compare
them. What do you guys think?

thanks

Gav

[Justin Mahn]

Deans are harder to pull apart, but both will give less resistance than an
equivalent length of plain wire. If you go with deans, then use hot glue to
seal the solder tabs, and you then will have them insulated and reinforced.


"Gav" <gavin.metcalfe@portakabinnospam.com> wrote in message
news:b15mn6$9hs$1@newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net. ..
> I am thinking of changing the tamiya type connectors on my car. Whats the
> best type of connector to replace them with? From what I've read on the
web
> the popular types seem to be Deans Ultra or PowerPole connectors, I found
> technical specs for PowerPole but not for Deans Ultra so I cannot compare
> them. What do you guys think?
>
> thanks
>
> Gav
>
>

[jay bo]

deans are the best ones... i use heat shrink to insulate them... looks much
nicer...

nothing is as good as directly soldering your wires though...



"Justin Mahn" <gabril-sp@m-blocker-at.tcainternet.com> wrote in message
news:v3cuvnkukif92@corp.supernews.com...
> Deans are harder to pull apart, but both will give less resistance than an
> equivalent length of plain wire. If you go with deans, then use hot glue
to
> seal the solder tabs, and you then will have them insulated and
reinforced.
>
>
> "Gav" <gavin.metcalfe@portakabinnospam.com> wrote in message
> news:b15mn6$9hs$1@newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net. ..
> > I am thinking of changing the tamiya type connectors on my car. Whats
the
> > best type of connector to replace them with? From what I've read on the
> web
> > the popular types seem to be Deans Ultra or PowerPole connectors, I
found
> > technical specs for PowerPole but not for Deans Ultra so I cannot
compare
> > them. What do you guys think?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Gav
> >
> >
>
>

[sanj.varah]

I would go for gold plated corrally/schumacher/orion ones, you run the risk
of wiring them up incorrectly if you go for the males on the speedo and the
females on the batteries but they are cheap and give decent low resistance

sanj

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"Gav" <gavin.metcalfe@portakabinnospam.com> wrote in message
news:b15mn6$9hs$1@newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net. ..
> I am thinking of changing the tamiya type connectors on my car. Whats the
> best type of connector to replace them with? From what I've read on the
web
> the popular types seem to be Deans Ultra or PowerPole connectors, I found
> technical specs for PowerPole but not for Deans Ultra so I cannot compare
> them. What do you guys think?
>
> thanks
>
> Gav
>
>

[Paul - xxx]

sanj.varah, deftly scribbled ;

> I would go for gold plated corrally/schumacher/orion ones, you run
> the risk of wiring them up incorrectly if you go for the males on the
> speedo and the females on the batteries but they are cheap and give
> decent low resistance

I agree with using corally's or similar, but I have no trouble not wiring
them the wrong way as I have my esc positive too short to reach the negative
when the cells are in the car the same way round, and as all my cellpacks
are made the same way, that's five sets of 3000's fifteen sets of 2400's,
then it's easy .. ;)

Mine and my sons cars are all wired exactly the same, albeit with different
types of esc, but they can all use the same cells, and swap esc's if
necessary while racing. As the receivers and esc's are velcro'd in, all it
needs is the receiver un-plugging and motor wires unsoldering to swap the
electrics between any of about 8 cars .. ;) When racing at Nationals I use
a tie-wrap for a little added security on the receivers and esc's, but
normal regionals and club racing velcro's fine. It probably would be OK at
Nationals too, but I prefer not to chance it .. ;)

That's a 2wd, a 4wd, a touring car and a 'basher' for each of us. We each
have two full sets of electrics, except all the cars have their own servo's
(too much hassle swapping) and the full electrics can be swapped within
minutes, or even between heats of races in one case.. ;)

Standardisation of wiring, connectors and cell packs makes maintenance a
breeze .. ;)

--
....................................Paul-xxx
Seti 1371 wu in 9704 hours

[Bubba]

On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:35:35 -0000, "sanj.varah"
<sanj.varah@rolls-royce.com> wrote:

>I would go for gold plated corrally/schumacher/orion ones, you run the risk
>of wiring them up incorrectly if you go for the males on the speedo and the
>females on the batteries but they are cheap and give decent low resistance

Never, never, never, never put a male connector on the battery. Just
reinforcing that bit of knowledge. Very, very bad things can happen
when you put a male connector on a battery, usually when you use
things like Deans Ultras. A fully charged 6 cell pack with a male
connector, shorted across some random bit of metal in your toolbox,
can do an extreme amount of damage.

Back to picking connectors, I use Deans Ultras myself, but a few of my
cars, etc. have various different connectors. My RC motorcycle has
Tamiya (which are actually JSTs, and can't be changed in this case)
and my Micro RS4 uses some strange little connector. I don't want to
change it simply because there's not a lot of resistance involved and
it's a good connector for the application (small and easy to
disconnect).

A few years ago I needed a very specific kind of connector, but one
wasn't available. Half an hour on the lathe and mill had a set of
solid copper connectors that could handle all the amps I could throw
at it without heating up. A bit large, though.

Bubba
HPI Micro RS4 Viper GTSR- Absolutely not for sale
AE RC10LSS Diablo VT- Maybe for sale
HPI RS4 Sport 2- Wanted, cheap and unbuilt ;)

[Bubba]

On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:57:27 -0000, "Paul - xxx"
<notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote:

>As the receivers and esc's are velcro'd in, all it
>needs is the receiver un-plugging and motor wires unsoldering to swap the
>electrics between any of about 8 cars .. ;)

One of these days I'm going to pull out the servo connector pins on
the receiver, solder 4 wires (one hot, one ground, one for each
channel's signal) straight to the board and stick 'em on some of the 4
pin Deans conx, then wire the servos straight to that connector. One
connector will completely remove the receiver. Hmm... could even put
the antenna through the connector :) I would like to find some kind of
connector to put between the motor and ESC, but I'll live with direct
soldered wires for now.

>When racing at Nationals I use
>a tie-wrap for a little added security on the receivers and esc's, but
>normal regionals and club racing velcro's fine.

Have you tried Velcro Extreme yet? The stuff just doesn't let go until
you want it to, and sometimes that requires tools ;) Just remember to
push and wiggle the part being attached to work it all the way on
there. Great stuff. All my cars are set up with it except some of the
Micro, and that's because it's ESC is very specifically for the Micro
RS4 and won't work anywhere else.

Bubba
HPI Micro RS4 Viper GTSR- Absolutely not for sale
AE RC10LSS Diablo VT- Maybe for sale
HPI RS4 Sport 2- Wanted, cheap and unbuilt ;)

[Paul - xxx]

Bubba, deftly scribbled ;

> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:57:27 -0000, "Paul - xxx"
> <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> When racing at Nationals I use
>> a tie-wrap for a little added security on the receivers and esc's,
>> but normal regionals and club racing velcro's fine.
>
> Have you tried Velcro Extreme yet? The stuff just doesn't let go until
> you want it to, and sometimes that requires tools ;) Just remember to
> push and wiggle the part being attached to work it all the way on
> there. Great stuff. All my cars are set up with it except some of the
> Micro, and that's because it's ESC is very specifically for the Micro
> RS4 and won't work anywhere else.

No. Heheheh, we have new chassis every year (ish) sometimes they're second
hand, but the last year and this year we're bioth having all new again.
However, we replace the velcro at least every two months. I get it via an
industrial supply chain (work) so how much I use isn't an issue, so when it
gets dirty etc I simply replace it .. ;) The tie wraps are only for
nationals, I've never actually lost either an esc or a receiver when not
using a tie wrap, but I figure I must finish to win, or to stand a chance.
Again, though, I get them free of charge, so it doesn't really matter and I
use them as a raceday consumable .. ;)


--
....................................Paul-xxx
Seti 1371 wu in 9704 hours

[noonehere]

Deans on motor, Sermos on battery...


"Gav" <gavin.metcalfe@portakabinnospam.com> wrote in message
news:b15mn6$9hs$1@newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net. ..
> I am thinking of changing the tamiya type connectors on my car. Whats the
> best type of connector to replace them with? From what I've read on the
web
> the popular types seem to be Deans Ultra or PowerPole connectors, I found
> technical specs for PowerPole but not for Deans Ultra so I cannot compare
> them. What do you guys think?
>
> thanks
>
> Gav
>
>

[Tim A. Deatherage]

Hey Guys,

It was my understanding years ago (circa 1989) that the top "Pro Racers"
"hard wired" their connections thus eliminating the voltage loss.

Am I Right or Wrong???

Tim A. Deatherage
tim@timdeatheragecpa.com
www.timdeatheragecpa.com


Deans on motor, Sermos on battery...
>
>
"Gav" <gavin.metcalfe@portakabinnospam.com> wrote in message...
I am thinking of changing the tamiya type connectors on my car. Whats the
best type of connector to replace them with? From what I've read on theweb
the popular types seem to be Deans Ultra or PowerPole connectors, I found
technical specs for PowerPole but not for Deans Ultra so I cannot compare
them. What do you guys think?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Gav
> >
> >
>
>

[Bubba]

On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:47:00 -0000, "Paul - xxx"
<notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Again, though, I get them free of charge, so it doesn't really matter and I
>use them as a raceday consumable .. ;)

But think of all the plastic trees they're killing to make the zip
ties! ;)

Bubba
HPI Micro RS4 Viper GTSR- Absolutely not for sale
AE RC10LSS Diablo VT- Maybe for sale
HPI RS4 Sport 2- Wanted, cheap and unbuilt ;)

[Paul - xxx]

Many still do, even over here in the UK. ;)

I find it more convenient to have Corally connectors, of which the only
problem I've had is a connector not being soldered correctly yo the cell
pack and falling off .. Not one I did, I hasten to add .. ;)

Tim A. Deatherage deftly scribbled ;

> Hey Guys,
>
> It was my understanding years ago (circa 1989) that the top "Pro
> Racers" "hard wired" their connections thus eliminating the voltage
> loss.
>
> Am I Right or Wrong???
>
> Tim A. Deatherage
> tim@timdeatheragecpa.com
> www.timdeatheragecpa.com
>
>
> Deans on motor, Sermos on battery...
>>
>>
> "Gav" <gavin.metcalfe@portakabinnospam.com> wrote in message...
> I am thinking of changing the tamiya type connectors on my car. Whats
> the best type of connector to replace them with? From what I've read
> on theweb the popular types seem to be Deans Ultra or PowerPole
> connectors, I found technical specs for PowerPole but not for Deans
> Ultra so I cannot compare them. What do you guys think?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Gav



--
....................................Paul-xxx
Seti 1372 wu in 9710 hours

[chuck_steak@nospam.com]

In article <v3edg262c0mf5a@corp.supernews.com>,
"Tim A. Deatherage" <tim@timdeatheragecpa.com> wrote:
>Hey Guys,
>
>It was my understanding years ago (circa 1989) that the top "Pro Racers"
>"hard wired" their connections thus eliminating the voltage loss.
>
>Am I Right or Wrong???

still do.
it also sheds weight...



Dan
----------------------------------------------
Never kick a cow flap on a hot day........

[Paul - xxx]

chuck_steak@nospam.com deftly scribbled ;

> In article <v3edg262c0mf5a@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Tim A. Deatherage" <tim@timdeatheragecpa.com> wrote:
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> It was my understanding years ago (circa 1989) that the top "Pro
>> Racers" "hard wired" their connections thus eliminating the voltage
>> loss.
>>
>> Am I Right or Wrong???
>
> still do.
> it also sheds weight...

Heheheh, I still carry 30g in 3 x 10 g lead weights for scrutineering 'Just
In Case', and I have over 30g already added to the car. Losi XXX btw. Save
weight one place, add it to another place nowadays.

--
....................................Paul-xxx
Seti 1372 wu in 9710 hours

[Gav]

Thanks for all the advice. Changed all the connectors on my car to 4mm
Corally gold plated connectors last night. Havn't had a proper run with it
yet but seamed to work fine round the living room.

Gav


"Gav" <gavin.metcalfe@portakabinnospam.com> wrote in message
news:b15mn6$9hs$1@newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net. ..
> I am thinking of changing the tamiya type connectors on my car. Whats the
> best type of connector to replace them with? From what I've read on the
web
> the popular types seem to be Deans Ultra or PowerPole connectors, I found
> technical specs for PowerPole but not for Deans Ultra so I cannot compare
> them. What do you guys think?
>
> thanks
>
> Gav
>
>

[mykrowyre]

> > the popular types seem to be Deans Ultra or PowerPole connectors, I found
> > technical specs for PowerPole but not for Deans Ultra so I cannot compare
> > them. What do you guys think?

I read somewhere the specs on each, and the Deans Ultra were about
half the resistance. These were measured values, not "claimed"
values. Basically, if they EVER feel warm, they suck.

-tom

[Kschauwe]

In article <441f7aa4.0301311340.540b3cc5@posting.google.com>,
mykrowyre@yahoo.com (mykrowyre) writes:

>> > the popular types seem to be Deans Ultra or PowerPole connectors, I found
>> > technical specs for PowerPole but not for Deans Ultra so I cannot compare
>> > them. What do you guys think?
>
>I read somewhere the specs on each, and the Deans Ultra were about
>half the resistance. These were measured values, not "claimed"
>values. Basically, if they EVER feel warm, they suck.

Found this in a Sept 1996 issue of RCCA on tests of popular Connectors:

At 10 Amps
Dean Ultra Plug............ 0.009 voltage drop.......... 0.0009 ohms
PowerPoles................. 0.010 voltage drop.......... 0.0010 ohms
Astro Flight.................. 0.011 voltage drop.......... 0.0011 ohms
4 inches of 14 gauge..... 0.010 voltage drop.......... 0.0010 ohms
Tamiya-style plug......... 0.033 voltage drop.......... 0.0033 ohms

[Jonny Hodgson]

mykrowyre wrote:
>>> the popular types seem to be Deans Ultra or PowerPole connectors, I
>>> found technical specs for PowerPole but not for Deans Ultra so I
>>> cannot compare them. What do you guys think?
>
> I read somewhere the specs on each, and the Deans Ultra were about
> half the resistance. These were measured values, not "claimed"
> values. Basically, if they EVER feel warm, they suck.

Was that on Sanj's website? If so, I don't think he actually measured
Powerpoles - the data looked like it was just for Deans and Corally.

Jonny