Century Swift in Agusta 109 Coast Guard

[rotorsport]

Swift 4S1P 4400 mah

http://www.edmheli.ca/albums/album93/IMG_5879.sized.jpg

[rotorsport]

http://www.edmheli.ca/albums/album93/IMG_5865.sized.jpg


http://www.edmheli.ca/albums/album93/IMG_5867.sized.jpg


http://www.edmheli.ca/albums/album91/Swift_Agusta_109_022.jpg

[Gadget01]

Wow! From that view, with the exception of the paddles, you cannot tell it's a model at all. How long does it fly on that pack? What motor, esc, pinion gear?

[Butuz]

Stunning!!!!

Butuz

[Skywolf]

Great Job! That is one great looking heli! Can you tell us more about it,I have plans to do a airwolf(After my 450 build) and need to know what motor,battery,gear,etc to use for the build.What fusalage MFG is it?

[syclic]

WOW! Yes more info please.

Fuselage?
Mechanics?
Motor?
ESC?
Blades?
Battery Packs?
Flight Times?
Pinion?
Rotor Speeds?

[rvsixer]

Stunning. I want wallpaper, are you willing to post (or post links to) larger pics? If my soon to fly Swift survives flight training me, I'd love to throw this scale body on it.

[rotorsport]

Century AGUSTA 109A (COAST GUARD) Swift Scale Fuselage
80A speed control
OUTRUNNER 600A PLUS, 1100kV BRUSHLESS MOTOR
530mm composite grey rotor blades
11 Tooth 4 cell it would be around 1650 – 1700

Here is the data from a set of 4 flights that I’m checking with the eagletree data recorder

Flight # 1 Hyperion Lite Storm VX 4S-4350 mah 20C 14.8 volt 5 minute flight - charge battery took 2442 mah
Flight # 2 Electric fly 4S-5000 mah 20c 14.8 volt 4 minute flight - charge battery took 2021 mah
Flight # 3 Swift Electron 4S-3300 mah 20c 14.8 volt 4 minute flight - charge battery took 1995 mah
Flight # 4 Flight Power 4S-3700 mah 20c 4 minute flight - charge battery took 2127 mah

[rotorsport]

rvsixer, if you can send me you email and I will forward full size pictures.

Charles

Here is a gallery to look at.
http://www.edmheli.ca/usergallery/ctye


rotorsport@shaw.ca

[rotorsport]

This first Photo was taken by a club member John Sison on the same day as the second and third photos against a cloud bank, it really looks great and so clear.

Charles

http://www.edmheli.ca/albums/album91/Coast_Guard_3_2008.jpg

[Spidious]

I thought that was a promo picture from Century not you !

Maybe you should contact them and see if they would like to use it. It looks extremely nice !

[rotorsport]

Ah the credit goes to John, he took a great picture.

Charles

[Skywolf]

Where did you get the BK117 fusalage ?What frame /heli is it for, Been looking for one to add to the fleet. Great fusalage is that build finished?

[Spidious]

EBay has a few A109's for sale really cheap. Including the retract kits for about 340
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=300233639679

[Skywolf]

In rotorsports gallery he has a BK117 build,Was wondering if it was a vario or what and where did you get it.I have been looking with no luck for one.

[Cyclick]

rotorsport

Would this be a similar heli combo?

http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=4958

With this the fuselage?

http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=8739

[rotorsport]

I got it from the Canadian dealer link below. I'm putting an X-cell mech in it.

Charles

I get to work with the full size rescue one at work, we call it in often to transport form Accidents.


http://www.edmheli.ca/albums/workphotos/STARS_12_2007_004.jpg


http://www.variocanada.com/company/Team_Activities.htm

[rotorsport]

I'm using the 11 tooth it just depends what head speed you want and how many cells, I like the slower head speed it helps to fly scale and does not shake the fusealage.


http://www.heli-world.com/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=CNMG511&All=True


http://www.edmheli.ca/albums/workphotos/STARS_12_2007_005_resize_2.sized.jpg

[Skywolf]

Thanks for the links,Pricey devil isnt it? But all thier fuses are top notch and super scale .I fly scale fuses and like a slower head speed as well, what speed are you looking to get for the 117 when its done? I am looking to get as much flight toime as I can out of a battery so I am looking at all options.Weight is the biggest Killer I think.

[rotorsport]

Th BK 117 has a 5 bladed head so I can run a faster head speed and it still looks scale. It's like the Hughes 500 fast head speed looks good. I hava an X-cell gasser that I run a 1400 head speed for a UHB1 huey but I have to think a head of it even with faster paddles it's easy to get in trouble.

Head speed on the Agusta 109 with the 11 tooth and a 4 cell it would be around 1650 - 1700

Charles

[rotorsport]

The rescue helicopter that is pictured has ordered a new AW139 helicopter, if you look on their site it has a link till delivery or the other link

http://www.stars.ca/bins/index.asp

http://www.stars.ca/bins/content_page.asp?cid=2-380

http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/ab139/

[Skywolf]

I like the BK 117 alot and wish someone would make one to fit the Swift and the 450 size helis as well but everyone seems to do the ec145 that replaced it.The 117 is a sooo much better looking chopper. I might have to end up doing a 145 or do a 117 myself.Or I could just do the 109!

[Cyclick]

Rotorsport,

As you did not answer initially (about the A109), I am posting again: :)

Would this be a similar heli combo?

http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=4958

With this the fuselage?

http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=8739

[Spidious]

If you want that body jump on the link below. They have them very reduced and they include the retract set up with it !

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=300233639679

Question : Why does the Century site say "Required: CNC MACHINED TAIL GEARBOX (CNE566)"

[Skywolf]

Cyclick, Sorry about the 117 thing,The 109 fusalage link you have above would be a great setup with the swift 16. I am doing a simular build and was going to use a airwolf fusalage but The 109 is really starting to get my interest,especially after seeing the photos in flight.I may end up doing a Airwolf in my own colors but have not decided yet wich way to go.I dont
know if you have to use the CNC tail on the 109 or not?

Rotorsport, Do you think a 5s battery would make any difference with the weight of the fusalage or does it fly O.K. and have plenty of power with the 4s battery?

[syclic]

I once attached some weights (at the c.g. of course) to my Swift 16 to see how it would lift an extra 1.5 lbs using a 4 cell pack at a head speed of about 1600 in scale type of flying. (Testing for a scale fuselage which is still waiting to be mounted...I am having too much fun with it in stock pod and boom form....maybe this coming winter.)

My Eagle Tree graphs indicated that I was only consuming an average of about 470 watts (32 amps/14.7V) and consuming about 540 mah per minute...that was a lot less then I thought it would be.

So for scale flying on the Swift with 520mm blades, I would say a good 4S pack would do fine.

What are your experiences with the fuselage, Rotorsport?

[rotorsport]

Cyclick, I had typed a responce but not sure how I missed posting it, some times my fingers are too fat. Sorry about that! I have just returned from 10 days of fishing so I was delayed in responding to the posts.

The two links are the combo I'm running except I'm using a 11 tooth and with 4 cell it would be around 1650 - 1700 head speed and I have been using a 4 cell lipo and it lifts and carries the Agusta very well, and gives me a slower head speed. The 5 cell would give you a head speed of 2110 to 2155

http://www.heli-world.com/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=CNMG511&All=True

[rotorsport]

Thanks to Phil and his Eagle Tree flight data recorder here is some data from the 4 flights I did.

Flight # 1 Battery - Hyperion Lite Storm VX 4S-4350 mah
a) In Air flight time from first into hover to touchdown - 3.7 minutes
b) Average voltage during flight - only 13 volts
c) Avarage amperage during flight - 33 amps
d) Total mah consumed - 1938 mah
e) average / minute - 523 mah/minute
f) average power required - 429 watts


Flight # 2 Battery - Electric fly 4S-5000 mah
a) In Air flight time from first into hover to touchdown 3.6 minutes
b) Average voltage during flight - only 14.8Volts
c) Average amperage during flight 32 amps
d) Total mah consumed 1943 mah
e) average / minute 539 mah/minute
f) average power required 473 watts


Flight # 3 Battery - Swift Electron Battery 4S-3300 mah
a) In Air flight time from first into hover to touchdown 3.7 minutes
b) Average voltage during flight - only 14.0 Volts
c) Average amperage during flight 32.5 amps
d) Total mah consumed 1947 mah mah
e) average / minute 526 mah/min.
f) average power required 455 watts



Flight # 4 Battery - Flight Power 4S-3700 mah
a) In Air flight time from first into hover to touchdown 4.35 minutes
b) Average voltage during flight - only 14.7 Volts
c) Average amperage during flight - 32 amps
d) Total mah consumed 2432 mah
e) average / minute 559 mah/min
f) average power required 470 watts

[rotorsport]

Skywolf, I generally fly scale and I enjoy a slower head speed I have flown the swift on 5 cell and the faster head speed makes it harder to fly scale, I have not found a problem with the 4 cell for power, I would suggest at least 4000 mah for good flight times. If one did go to 5 cell I would think that you would need to adjust the pinion tooth count, but I have not gone there yet I'm building a second swift not and will do more testing on the 5 cell and driffernet tooth count. I have just reciever my oen Eagle Tree flight data recorder. Let the fun begin!!! :)

http://www.eagletreesystems.com/

Charles

[rotorsport]

Spidious, The CNC MACHINED TAIL GEARBOX -CNE566 allows you to assemble the tail under tension after inserting the tail boom thru the fuse and has a stand off post that attaches to the fusalage and centers the tail boom.

Look on page three and see the arrow pointing at the attaching post.
http://www.centuryheli.com/support/manuals/109A_manual.pdf


Charles

[Spidious]

So does that mean that you can have it on the frame adjusted and slide it down the instead of the tail body from the front ?
My biggest complaint was on the Hughes, I had to slide it in from the back side, try and find the anchor points on the frame. Then adjust and tighten the screws.
A shaft drive would probably be the best set up to make it easier.

[Skywolf]

Rotorsport,
What kind of temps are you getting after a full flight on your batteries and motor. What are you getting for a full flight time with 4000 batteries. I have heard the 4s has to work harder to acomlish the same thing so they run hotter and dont get the flight time? I know the ratio has to be adjusted to acomplish around 1700HS (thats what I am shooting for anyway) but if the 4s works ok and temps are ok I will use them,let us know how the 5s -4s comparison goes.
Thanks your a great help in setting mine up!

[rotorsport]

Spidious the tail boom slides in from the front still attached to the main mechanics, What I did was test fly the swift and get the tension set and then for installation I removed the tail gear box (it comes apart in halves) I then installed the mechanics into the body about 1cm past the mounting holes and reassembled the tail gear box. I then slid the mechanics forward to the mounting holes. I did have a bit of a challenge installing the rear mounting bolts and finally went with a wood screw that I was able to be install with a hex driver at an angle form the front opening. The next time I do my maintenance check, which may be today as it’s raining I will try to get some pictures to illustrate.
Charles

[rotorsport]

the 4 cell has been work so far, I will post more data as I do more battery testing. I'm sure there is lots of members on this fourm that can offer more data based on their experiences with 4 and 5 cell lipos.

charles

[Spidious]

Sounds like to me the same would work with the Hughes 500E set up. Was impossible to do that installation method with the Ikarus ECO8 !

[syclic]

Rotorsport

Any testing with the A109A on the 5S pack yet?

[rotorsport]

na not yet I'm out of town till next Friday

:(

[syclic]

Rotorsport,

OK, we will watch for the results later.

[rotorsport]

Life got busy I have not forgotten, I will post the data as soon as I get it!!

Resistance is Futile!
I will go flying!!!

Charles

[Spidious]

Can you tell me what size wheels are on the helicopter ?
I believe they are two different sizes, but can't find anywhere that they show the actual sizes..

[rotorsport]

Rear wheels
Height 4 cm
Width 2 cm
Hub Width 2 cm
Axil 3 mm

Nose wheel
Height 3.5 cm
Width 1.5 cm
Hub Width 2 cm
Axil 3 mm


http://www.heli-world.com/detail.aspx?ID=8012

Charles

[rotorsport]

Well I tried the 5 cell and the head speed was too high with the 11 tooth so I have installed a 12 tooth in my test ship Swift which is the same as the Agusta 109 Coast Guard minus the fuselage

The 5S-3700 12 tooth gave a different feel when flying and it was a little hard to create scale flights but it was very responsive, fun to fly. The 4S batteries gave a very stable flight and were very easy to create scale flights. This is with the pod and boom swift so I’m going to install the 12 tooth in the coast guard.

I’m also running two Century Swift 4S-3300 batteries in parallel so I get 6600 mah for longer flights. I have some Thunder power 4S-4500 and they are working well.

Some of these are short flights I could have gone longer but I’m playing it safe during testing. Also some of these flights gave a little different readings and I should have tried to do the same flight each time. Was not until I was downloading the data I realized the impact it was having on the readings. I'll do better next time!!

Flight # A Battery – Flight Power 5S-3700 mah
a) In Air flight time from first into hover to touchdown - 4 minutes
b) Average voltage during flight - only 17.5 volts
c) Average amperage during flight – 31.9 amps
d) Total mah consumed - 2966 mah
e) average / minute – 741.5 mah/minute

Flight # B Battery – Flight Power 4S-3700 mah
a) In Air flight time from first into hover to touchdown - 3 minutes
b) Average voltage during flight - only 13.4 volts
c) Average amperage during flight – 32 amps
d) Total mah consumed - 2157 mah
e) average / minute – 719.5 mah/minute

Flight # C Battery – Century Swift 4S-3300 mah
a) In Air flight time from first into hover to touchdown - 4 minutes
b) Average voltage during flight - only 13.9 volts
c) Average amperage during flight – 40 amps
d) Total mah consumed - 2492 mah
e) average / minute – 623 mah/minute

[Mist-R Mosquito]

Hey Rotorsport. I'm getting ready to build the Swift 16 with 10s a123 cells. I really like the C.G. fuse though. Do you think there's enough room forward of the main frames to house a pack?

[Spidious]

Hey good question

Will a 6S 4900 battery fit ?
170mm x 45mm x 50mm

[rotorsport]

Battery testing

Well I tried the 5 cell and the head speed was too high with the 11 tooth so I have installed a 12 tooth in my test ship Swift which is the same as the Agusta 109 Coast Guard minus the fuselage

The 5S-3700 12 tooth gave a different feel when flying and it was a little hard to create scale flights but it was very responsive, fun to fly. The 4S batteries gave a very stable flight and were very easy to create scale flights. This is with the pod and boom swift so I’m going to install the 12 tooth in the coast guard.

I’m also running two Century Swift 4S-3300 batteries in parallel so I get 6600 mah for longer flights. I have some Thunder power 4S-4500 and they are working well.

Some of these are short flights I could have gone longer but I’m playing it safe during testing. Also some of these flights gave a little different readings and I should have tried to do the same flight each time. Was not until I was downloading the data I realized the impact it was having on the readings. I'll do better next time!!

Flight # A Battery – Flight Power 5S-3700 mah
a) In Air flight time from first into hover to touchdown - 4 minutes
b) Average voltage during flight - only 17.5 volts
c) Average amperage during flight – 31.9 amps
d) Total mah consumed - 2966 mah
e) average / minute – 741.5 mah/minute

Flight # B Battery – Flight Power 4S-3700 mah
a) In Air flight time from first into hover to touchdown - 3 minutes
b) Average voltage during flight - only 13.4 volts
c) Average amperage during flight – 32 amps
d) Total mah consumed - 2157 mah
e) average / minute – 719.5 mah/minute

Flight # C Battery – Century Swift 4S-3300 mah
a) In Air flight time from first into hover to touchdown - 4 minutes
b) Average voltage during flight - only 13.9 volts
c) Average amperage during flight – 40 amps
d) Total mah consumed - 2492 mah
e) average / minute – 623 mah/minute

[rotorsport]

I'm traveling but will be back Monday night I have room for a 4S4500 and a 1500mah 4 cell laid end to end with room left over, I will post measuremenrts on Monday night.

[rotorsport]

The battery tray is 8.5 cm wide and 20 cm long the pictures show a thunder power 4S 4500mah battery I have it set further forward than the battery tray for balance. At the very front of the battery there is about 1.5 cm of clearance on the top before it touches the inside of the nose


http://www.edmheli.ca/albums/album91/Agusta_coast_guard_109_002.jpg

[rotoraddict]

rotorsport

I see you have the stock flybar paddles on it. I found for smoother scale type flying, the paddles and weights from the Hawk will really make solid in the hover and groove on a rail in FFF.

What blades are you using?

[rotorsport]

I keep meaning to change the stickers to black, thanks I will try the hawk set up, sounds like a good idea.

This is the blades I'm using;
Funkey 530mm Carbon Fiber Reinforced Main Blades
Part# CNF5366

Length: 530mm
Width: 51mm
Grip Thickness: >12mm
Hole: 3-4mm
Airfoil: Symmertical
Common Application: 30 size Electric, 30 size Multi-Bladed Nitro-Powered RC Helicopters.