Distance

[toesup]

Seeing as there are a number of 'fishermen' suddenly frequenting these forums quoting distances of 1000yds, 500yds, 300yds etc that they need a boat to deliver bait, i thought i would try a little experiment.

I took WW (High viz paint, 18 inches long) outside and paced away 100 paces (less than 100yds as i have small paces) and took some pics.
This was taken with a Nikon D70s digital SLR with the (Nikon) lens set at 50mm, which is approx the angle of view of the human eye, and took the pic on 'High' quality.
I have left the picture LARGE so it will fill most peoples screens...

Without downloading the pic and blowing it up to see WW... How many people can tell me which way it is facing?

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

The shot I have of my fire boat at Nike is about 100 yards or so...

[bigford]

off topic in a way :rolleyes: i shoot a 700 remington rifle at
the range. at 200 yards i can hit quarters dead center, with out a scope
i could'nt even see the quarter. why would you even to send your boat out that far??

[Kmot]

which way it is facing?
The wrong way? :p

[LtDoc]

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- 'Doc

[Rex R]

race boats(18-60") do go as far as 100yds but, figuring out which end is which is made easier by the rooster tail...:)

[Alastair_I]

Seeing as there are a number of 'fishermen' suddenly frequenting these forums quoting distances of 1000yds, 500yds, 300yds etc that they need a boat to deliver bait, i thought i would try a little experiment.

I took WW (High viz paint, 18 inches long) outside and paced away 100 paces (less than 100yds as i have small paces) and took some pics.
This was taken with a Nikon D70s digital SLR with the (Nikon) lens set at 50mm, which is approx the angle of view of the human eye, and took the pic on 'High' quality.
I have left the picture LARGE so it will fill most peoples screens...

Without downloading the pic and blowing it up to see WW... How many people can tell me which way it is facing?

But show us a video of a boat going out to that distance, maneauvering and then returning.. as long as we can still see the boat we will be able to judge which way it is facing from the movement.. a static image is misleading.

Mind you.. at 1,000 yards it's a moot point.

[arrow5]

What VW ? :rolleyes: Anybody tried a GPS for a visual range check?

[mr.boat]

I think to the Right,But then again, I left my binoculars at home.

[mfr02]

I have sailed my metre yacht at 400 yards range - trying to tack back is not easy as it is difficult to judge whether it is sailing slightly away or slightly towards you. Seeing where it is - no problem, knowing which end is which, again, no problem. Knowing if it is going 5 degrees into trouble or out of trouble, steering with crossed fingers time.

[waboats]

Has to be facing Forward... :D

[patmat2350]

But show us a video of a boat going out to that distance, maneauvering and then returning.. as long as we can still see the boat we will be able to judge which way it is facing from the movement.. a static image is misleading.

From a fair distance (100 yds), I can certainly see my boat going left or right... but if it's been turned around or I looked away for a moment, and then find it longways to me... I can't tell if it's coming or going. Add to that my general ineptitude in steering a boat coming AT me, and I get confused real easily... yes I can eventually work it out, but i'd hate to be in traffic at that distance!

Much of the pleasure in operating scale boats in in SEEING what they're doing, so I rarely go out that far anyway. Likewise for fishing... doesn't the angler want to be a bit closer to the action? These are sportsmen, not commercial longliners... :rolleyes:

[pompebled]

Not knowing who or what a 'WW' is, I have no clue as to where I'm supposed to look for...

Regards, Jan.

[Alastair_I]

Having looked at a couple of the bait boat sites their use of distances seem to fall into two categories..
Sales pitch - Works out to 1,000 yards just has to be way cooler than works to 250 yards.. right?
Difference of purpose - Some of the boats seem to advertise the run time expressed in metres.. a fisherman doesn't give a fig if it will go flat out for a 15 minute session.. what he needs to know is that he can drop it in the water, have it follow him round the shore for 100 yards, run out for 50 yards, drop bait.. back into shore again, and back along the shore to where he parked at the end of the day (beats carrying it).. so he needs a run-time of 300 yards + contingency to his way of thinking.. or he needs it to run out from the shore to 50 yards drop bait.. come back.. rinse and repeat 4 times over the course of the day.. for a run-time of 400 yards + contingency..

I can't imagine that actually run the boats out 100+ yards.. surely it's no good dropping bait where they cant reach to cast.

[pkboo]

Alistair, definitely new approach of what they would mean ;) I already see the use of the contingency! An elderly gentleman who couldn't make up his mind if he's was going so and so yards to the left or to the right all day long, forgetting his pole, battery of the boat running out at the end of the day to where he forgot he parked his car, LOL :D

[Ghost 2501]

just what I told some folk umi, at 100 yards, (300ft) a model will be hardly visable, hell Gemini is hard to spot when across the far bank of the jetty, and thats only about 150 feet away

[Bob Bighinatti]

The bow is to the left . I think i see a kort nozzle to the right.
Bob Big :) :)

[CGAux26]

Multiple choice answers (choose all you like):
-Who cares? It's on land.
-Don't let a car run over it.
-Beatsahelloutame (Italian word).
-Like the other guys said, if it's running on the water, you can tell from motion, wakes, etc.
-Pointy end goes first (first lesson of boat handling, but N/A for push boats).
-I had my Springer on the pond at Burnaby yesterday, and sent it to the far end of the pond. Could barely see it at ~100 yards.
-In big, people size boats, distance over open water is very hard to estimate. No fixed reference points. Men who can are said to have Seaman's Eye.

[Tugboat Andy]

I guess I like my boat close at hand so I can make engine noises. :) I do a pretty good impression of a loaded down EMD. CATS are a little harder and hurt my throat. I can almost sneak the air shifters in when I switch directions but, not if the turbos are slipped in. I try to keep it under control but I'm sure something slipped out at the last meet I went to. I'm sure Keith noticed :p

Toes - I can see that the boat is sideways and it seems that the wheelhouse is off to the right or... maybe the left. I can't remember which way is bow first on a Z-tech. I'd never let a boat get that far away from me without a means to get it back ASAP. However, if someone wants to get a boat tangled up in a sub-surface floating object trying to feed the fish <shrug> 1000 yds away ( :eek: ) I can get one just as tangled right in front of me :p

[toesup]

To put you all out of your misery..

The 'bow' is to the right... :p


-Who cares? It's on land.
-Don't let a car run over it.
-Beatsahelloutame (Italian word).
-Like the other guys said, if it's running on the water, you can tell from motion, wakes, etc.
-Pointy end goes first (first lesson of boat handling, but N/A for push boats).


-Its an illustration of how difficult a boat is to see even at a minimum 100yds.
-I didnt
-Youaintkiddin' (my word)
-If its stopped, there isnt a wake... or gets bounced around by the waves..
-WW doesnt have a pointy end... and the front is the wrong end anyway :o

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Well it looks like my fire boat was out about 500 feet... :o

[spuggy]

I am one of the 'fisherman' popping up on this forum. Just some extra info to help understand why we want a sea bait boat:
1) the further you can get your bait out the more likely you are to hook into a game fish
2) guys cast +700ft http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE1DF153AF937A35756C0A96F9482 60 . No need for an rc boat... remember this is without bait and custom made rods
3) +100kg shark are regularly caught off the beach in South Africa (see pic) but you need to get large bait atleast 200ft away.

I know this isnt a fishing forum but just thought i could add my fishing 2cents worth

There must be a way of being able to navigate your boat at 200feet

[Alastair_I]

You're fishing for shark with an r/c bait boat???

[spuggy]

no. the bait boat only takes the bait out and then releases/drops it.

[keith S]

no. the bait boat only takes the bait out and then releases/drops it.

Then gets the HE@# out of there before being confused with the bait!! :eek: :p

[Rex R]

2 words, spud gun :)

[steamboatmodel]

2 words, spud gun :)
Pumpkin Chucker

[time4420]

What if the boat was 5 feet long and stood 2 feet off the water? The boat could have a mast with a day glo flag on it.
As far as sinking...how about water tight chambers and an automatic inflating life jacket? How 'bout a foam cored hull?

[time4420]

Pumpkin Chucker


Shoot the boat out of a pumkin chucker?? :D

[Ghost 2501]

Shoot the boat out of a pumkin chucker?? :D

just dont let umi hear that, she may try it! :D have you seen her launch a springer?

[norgale]

If the bait is in the boat and then gets dropped overboard when it gets out far enough that's fine. But if the boat is towing the bait you may as well figure that the boat is on a one way mission. The shark may get the bait before the boat lets it go so goodby boat. Meantime a 36" boat ought to be big enough to go 200 feet and put a dayglo flag on it to see it better. Pete

[Kcal]

Shoot the boat out of a pumkin chucker??

But then we would be back to square one with regards to the direction the boat would be heading when it landed, funny as a kid I never remember encountering all of these problems while fishing. My issues were limited to how much could I actually feed (Oscar a great blue heron) before it would be come harmful to him. If you’re curious he never seemed to hit his limit but could only muster an inch or so above the wave tops on his way home, would always be back the next day as ravenous as ever though.

[mxz70017]

You have the right Idea looking into the hobby aspect.But you might want to look In the sailplanes.There a thing called a High Start.What this Is, Is to sets of line.With a certain amout of surgical tubeing in the middle of the two lines.Then the two ends of the lines are staked into the ground.Then you walk out the two lines an stretch the surgical tubeing. To a desiarable distance figured by weight an distance you need to launch sailplane. In this instance It would be your bait!!!You would need a bait pouch on the surgical tubeing..Not a release hook like the sailplanes need.Basically as a kid I had whats called a wrist rocket sling shot.It was a round piece of aluminium aircraft quality that wrapped around your fore arm!!Then surgical tubeing about 14 inchs.With a leather pouch formed an attatched in the middle.Oh you should see what a glass marble. Or old bearings would do out of that thing!!!!!You could launch any amount of bait you wish with the proper set-up.As well as aim It any direction up to 180 degree.Or simply re stake It to where you needed It thrown!!!They work very nicely..I know Ive been the walk to retreive guy an stretched many of them!!!!LOl.....

[tigerbay]

I like sailing a long way out. But 200 yards is about my limit usually as I get bored as the 'angular distance' of movement is too small. i.e. the further out it is the slower it seems to move.

Although I have had an IOM about 400 yards out. Windy day, big lake great fun.

The thing I want to know is that the range of the boat (i.e. the range of the radio) is bigger than my wonderlust. I don't want to loose my pride and joy, or my bucks worth of boat.
So quoting the range is very relevant if fear of loss is in your mind. And I bet most fishermen with a bait boat have got bored on occassion and seen just how far the new toy will go.