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[schrederman]

Histarter drones on and on constantly about his HAM non-contest event. So here's your opportunity to vote. Do you enjoy TD competition as it is, with nice winches and your choice of models? -OR- Do you want to go back to flying Paragons and other '70s designs off weak high starts?

Granted, many enjoy flying a relaxing RES as much as the next guy, but what's your actual predominant preference for competitions? By voting Status Quo, you're saying you like things the way they are. By voting Step Back, you're voting for the old way of things.

[Twizter68]

Status Quo, meaning that I prefer seeing how designs and technology have evolved through the years.

[schrederman]

I get the first vote!

JW

[tonyestep]

Jack, it's kind of understating today's environment to call it status quo. After all, think of all the progress that has been made over the years. The flat-bottom clunkers of yesteryear sink right through air that you can work easily with today's planes, and the progress continues. The launch systems don't really have anything to do with it except that the old weak launches may have been better for planes that weren't structurally sound in the first place. But anyway, I think we're all in favor of enjoying the terrific evolution of the planes we fly -- I can't imagine anybody who has ever flown an Ava wanting to trade it for a 1980 drag queen.

[schrederman]

Sorry Tony,

I don't seem to have Al's gift for words... West Texicans seem to be a bit more plain spoken. (Thank God!)

[IBWALT]

Status Quo today, tomorrow is the future.

Walt

[jtlsf5]

To misquote someone, "We have met the enemy, and he only looks backwards".

[sneasle]

Nothing wrong with a 2m woodie on a 3m histart with 500ft of line :)

I'm fine with the status quo and I look forward to the day when I get my first ava, topaz, supra, or soprano.

[lincoln]

since 1984. Only the gliders have changed.

I still like RES. I own an Ava, but that doesn't mean I won't fly my Oly 2 sometimes. Maybe even sometime, just for fun, flying it in a contest.

[bobby legue]

I am a confirmed RESaholic. But there has been a ton of new exiting ways to build and fly it. I dont care to go back.

[flyingdogtwo]

both :D

[merlinmurph]

Status quo, progress is good.

I'm new to this game, have only competed once, and don't plan on competing a lot, so I'm not sure what my opinion is worth. FWIW, you gotta like progress and what it has brought to sailplane design. And this is being said from a guy who only flies RES (for now).

[rdwoebke]

I'm not going to report your, Jack, but from a netequite standpoint this thread could be boarderline "personal attack" (since you called out a person in the first post of the thread).

I also voted take a step back, since my favorite kind of planes are planes like the Paragon. And, I get most juiced up when I read old articles like the 1977 F3B WC article.

Ryan

[rdeis]

both :D

Agree.

The question poses a false choice and has no purpose other than to ridicule Al.

[Twizter68]

Agree.

The question poses a false choice and has no purpose other than to ridicule Al.


Yet Jack (and the rest of us) must endure Al's constant ridicule and personal attacks, without so much as a pip of protest?

Keep plugging Jack, keep plugging!

[rdwoebke]

Yet Jack (and the rest of us) must endure Al's constant ridicule and personal attacks, without so much as a pip of protest?


When I feel Al (or just about anyone else) is going over the line or going into personal attacks, I report them.

I'm personally pretty lenient on "off topic" stuff. If a guy wants to post in a thread some stuff about his favorite beer, I say that is more or less fine. So if Al often posts about his favorite topic, I'm OK with that. If a thread starter is really concerned about this they can elect to start a thread where they can delete unwanted posts.

Ryan

[rdeis]

Yet Jack (and the rest of us) must endure Al's constant ridicule and personal attacks, without so much as a pip of protest?

It's easy to set the ignore flag for a particular user.

[RPjQa8XeUNA5vX]

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[schrederman]

Gee Ryan,

The man called me a liar in another post just a couple of days ago. I didn't see you jumping to my defense on that thread. I was staying out of it completely until then, just ignoring his rant... as he and I had agreed to do, off line. The man doesn't want facts, doesn't honor promises, is not a man of his word, and though this poll and his own should prove something to him... I KNOW IT WON'T!

Sorry but at this point, I don't care what anyone thinks about my purpose with posting this... which was only to more clearly state what he stated, and allow people to actually vote. If someone complains and I get cut out... so be it. I have yet to see anything he posted to be of help to anyone.

Report away if you please. This board was once informative and the build threads ( I posted 4 major ones) were helpful, but time consuming for me. Now it's full of the rants of someone that can't figure out that the majority of the rest of us don't want to read his manifesto of WAAAHHH! If that upsets someone to the point that I can't post here anymore... it's their loss, not mine. One more thing... check the results.

[IBWALT]

I'm with you Jack.

Walt

[IHAVAWDY]

I respect your contributions to the "groups'' Jack. Really enjoy the build threads. It would be unfortunate not to be able to learn from your experience as a pilot and builder as that is why I tune in. This is a great thing that we have here (RC Groups). A lot of unselfish people willing to help those with questions and, or, problems. I don't think the criticism of the sport is helping anything and is not constructive. Lately the threads have become polluted with one mans ideas of what should be and I for one am tired of hearing about HAM and how the ships of today are not really soaring sailplanes but more of driving planes around the sky for [whatever] duration then sticking them in the landing zone. Lets stay focused on the forward progression of RC sailplanes and helping those w/questions. Let those with real experience teach those that want to learn. Lets fly our planes, be it moldies, foamies or woodys, to the best of our abilities and keep progressing forward and not let one mans ideas of how it should be done waste the time of the" Group" Now about that 13' new bird build thread Jack...... PLEASE? ;) :p

[rdwoebke]

The man called me a liar in another post just a couple of days ago. I didn't see you jumping to my defense on that thread.

I might have missed it. I have been kind of taking a step back from the groups recently.

But, in the past, I can assure you I have reported some of Al's posts (and likely some of yours) if I thought they were over the line.

I did not report anything in this thread though, just let you know I thought the thread was a bit boarderline.

So far as checking the results go, as I have said before, I'll say here again. I think in general people are really having a lot of fun with the TD thing. I have fun with it. I'm not really a huge proponet of change because of that reason mainly. That said, I have to be honest, what I really find most interesting is the stuff of yesterday. And, as you know I have built some modern designs (I'll probably fly my Allegro tomorrow).

Ryan

[schrederman]

Well, two polls showing the VAST majority of those on these boards think that these arguments against the way of things are bogus. Actually 3 polls if you count my poll about the landings. Will these arguments go away? Sadly, no. I'll not mention the landing thing again because I respect the opinions of others. Those opinions have been counted. The only way this will go back to the helpful, informative board of old is for the group to totally ignore certain posts. Apparently the moderators are going to just let the board die at the hands of one who has nothing more to do than argue. As for me and my next build threads, you'll probably have to look elsewhere to find them. Done with R/C Groups for a while, and signing off.

Jack

On second thought, why would I let him keep me away from my friends... :p :p :p :p :p

[Robglover]

Reading HiStarter's posts is not nearly as much fun as flying toy planes. He obviously enjoys trolling RC Groups more than flying, good for him. He is the winner, let's send him a trophy.

I'd prefer a nice red Supra and a strong winch out on the field with a bunch of friends any day myself.

[Curare]

I Luuuurrve my old skool ships but that's not to say that I think that's where the world ends, or should do. I'm impressed with the technology of the new aircraft, and if I had more dollars I'd probably compete but I had to choose and I went the competition aerobatics path, and so sailplanes for me are the antithesis to competition flying.

I say crank the new ideas. And love the smell of balsa. ;)