fuel line suggestions

[keki]

Hi,
During the past three months, I almost lost two x-cells, because the fuel
line for pick in the tank gets spongy, tacky and breaks off. Use cool power
30%. Any suggestions for fuel line that will last at least two or three
months. Thank you.

[Carl Farrington]

I got some heavy duty fuel line for my r/c truck. This is very heavy duty,
in that its impossible (I think) to kink. Only problem with this is that
it's quite a bit stiffer than the usual stuff, so if you use it in a header
tank for example, the metal clunk doesn't go to the bottom of the tank
'cause the fuel line is stiff and just bends down a little, not right to the
bottom.

I have used it in some areas of my plumbing. I don't know where you're from,
but I got this tubing from Bolton Model Mart, in Bolton surprisingly enough,
north-west England. Pete is the nitro car man and he got it for me. They do
mail order I think so you could try them at least. You can get their contact
details from http://www.boltonmodelmart.co.uk/ not sure if the fuel tubing
would be in the online catalogue. Think the catalogue wasn't working last
time I looked.

hth

Carl

"keki" <keki@bright.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> During the past three months, I almost lost two x-cells, because the fuel
> line for pick in the tank gets spongy, tacky and breaks off. Use cool
power
> 30%. Any suggestions for fuel line that will last at least two or three
> months. Thank you.
>
>

[Beav]

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
news:avssbg$pka$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> I got some heavy duty fuel line for my r/c truck. This is very heavy duty,
> in that its impossible (I think) to kink. Only problem with this is that
> it's quite a bit stiffer than the usual stuff, so if you use it in a
header
> tank for example, the metal clunk doesn't go to the bottom of the tank
> 'cause the fuel line is stiff and just bends down a little, not right to
the
> bottom.
>
> I have used it in some areas of my plumbing. I don't know where you're
from,
> but I got this tubing from Bolton Model Mart, in Bolton surprisingly
enough,
> north-west England.

Don't tell me you're in BOLTON Carl! We were out flying in Bolton this
afternoon. Not a mile (well maybe a mile) from the model-mart.


--
Beav


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(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Bill Price]

I get a whole season out of the fuel lines with CP 30. But thanks for the
reminder, I'll change them before the spring thaw.

> It's not the fuel tubing that's at fault, it's the fuel, and as you
probably
> won't change that, change your fuel lines every month or so instead.
> Foolpower 30 rots ANYTHING. Better to change the lines than bin another
nice
> heli.
> --
> Beav

[Fritz Blackburn]

This is the best fueline for the interior of tanks. Very flexible too.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXK824&P=7

Michael 'Fritz' Blackburn
VP-94 Techrep NAS New Orleans
http://www.fritzthecat.info



Beav wrote:

> "keki" <keki@bright.net> wrote in message
> news:UnlU9.5638$37.642744@cletus.bright.net...
> > Hi,
> > During the past three months, I almost lost two x-cells, because the fuel
> > line for pick in the tank gets spongy, tacky and breaks off. Use cool
> power
> > 30%. Any suggestions for fuel line that will last at least two or three
> > months. Thank you.

[Beav]

"Bill Price" <Bill@classTools.com> wrote in message
news:VWpU9.47819$wQ1.28919@fe01...
> I get a whole season out of the fuel lines with CP 30. But thanks for the
> reminder, I'll change them before the spring thaw.

This problem first came to light with the original Raptor 30 where the lines
disintergrated. (They WERE crap lines though!). After a few people had
discovered this, the fickle finger was pointed at the nitro content and then
the oil content and then FoolPower. I've seen "the green stuff" rot tubing
that's withstood years of being used with A.N Other brand of juice and it's
done it in a month.

Fortunately the X-cell's fuel tank is easy to get at, so changing the tubing
isn't a major prob, and it's what I'd do rather than see a motor quit at an
inopportune moment (and they always quit at an inopportune moment:-)


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Phil Noel]

Hmmm.....I have standard DuBro fuel tubing that has been immersed in CP30%
for over 4 years, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and no deterioration of the
fuel lines!!!

And I bet you guys have some that are the same. Where is it? It is the fuel
line that is in your fuel jug. So why does it last so long and the lines in
the tank do not? Hint.....do the lines in your fuel jug ever get exposed to
exhaust from burned fuel???

No. But I bet you use muffler pressure and do not always fill your tank
after running to scavenge it of any remaining exhaust fumes after every
flight.

I have very old tubing in all my heli's also. But I haven't used muffler
pressure on my 30's or 46/50's for 10 years. Just Uniflow with no muffler
pressure. My 60's have been YS's for as long as I can remember, they do not
use muffler pressure. Narry a fuel line deterioration problem.

The same fumes that kill bearings left to sit in them will deteriorate fuel
line. Soaking these lines directly in the fuel day in day out, year in year
out does not do so.

Phil

"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
news:%fpU9.13700$sJ2.300420@news.easynews.com...
>
> "keki" <keki@bright.net> wrote in message
> news:UnlU9.5638$37.642744@cletus.bright.net...
> > Hi,
> > During the past three months, I almost lost two x-cells, because the
fuel
> > line for pick in the tank gets spongy, tacky and breaks off. Use cool
> power
> > 30%. Any suggestions for fuel line that will last at least two or three
> > months. Thank you.
>
> It's not the fuel tubing that's at fault, it's the fuel, and as you
probably
> won't change that, change your fuel lines every month or so instead.
> Foolpower 30 rots ANYTHING. Better to change the lines than bin another
nice
> heli.
>
>
> --
> Beav
>
>
> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
> (with the obvious changes)
>
> Beavisland now lives at
> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>
>
>

[Beav]

"Phil Noel" <pnoel@dccnet.com> wrote in message
news:v263nnbb59r8c8@corp.supernews.com...
> Hmmm.....I have standard DuBro fuel tubing that has been immersed in CP30%
> for over 4 years, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and no deterioration of
the
> fuel lines!!!
>
> And I bet you guys have some that are the same. Where is it? It is the
fuel
> line that is in your fuel jug. So why does it last so long and the lines
in
> the tank do not? Hint.....do the lines in your fuel jug ever get exposed
to
> exhaust from burned fuel???
>
> No. But I bet you use muffler pressure and do not always fill your tank
> after running to scavenge it of any remaining exhaust fumes after every
> flight.

Very good point Phil. I only use pressure on two of my heli's but neither of
those use nitro fuel and neither have any fuel line problems, so it's a toss
up which isn't causing any problems:-)))) I like the idea that it's exhaust
shite though, makes VERY good sense.



--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Carl Farrington]

No I'm not unfortunately. Not too far mind, I'm from Manchester. Northern
Moor which is right by the Post House (Airport Hotel I think its called
now). Two junctions from mcr airport.

"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
> news:avssbg$pka$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > I got some heavy duty fuel line for my r/c truck. This is very heavy
duty,
> > in that its impossible (I think) to kink. Only problem with this is that
> > it's quite a bit stiffer than the usual stuff, so if you use it in a
> header
> > tank for example, the metal clunk doesn't go to the bottom of the tank
> > 'cause the fuel line is stiff and just bends down a little, not right to
> the
> > bottom.
> >
> > I have used it in some areas of my plumbing. I don't know where you're
> from,
> > but I got this tubing from Bolton Model Mart, in Bolton surprisingly
> enough,
> > north-west England.
>
> Don't tell me you're in BOLTON Carl! We were out flying in Bolton this
> afternoon. Not a mile (well maybe a mile) from the model-mart.
>
>
> --
> Beav
>
>
> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
> (with the obvious changes)
>
> Beavisland now lives at
> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>
>

[Beav]

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
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> No I'm not unfortunately. Not too far mind, I'm from Manchester. Northern
> Moor which is right by the Post House (Airport Hotel I think its called
> now). Two junctions from mcr airport.

So where d'you fly? Or who d'you fly WITH?


--
Beav


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(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Carl Farrington]

umm I haven't ventured beyond the back yard yet ;)

My mate watches sometimes ;-)

with my gyro/setup nearly working right though I might be ready to take it
out soon. Sale water-park (Trafford Water-Sports Centre I think they call
it) has a field full of mini helipads!

where d'you fly ? Bolton ?

"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
> news:avvfgu$agn$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > No I'm not unfortunately. Not too far mind, I'm from Manchester.
Northern
> > Moor which is right by the Post House (Airport Hotel I think its called
> > now). Two junctions from mcr airport.
>
> So where d'you fly? Or who d'you fly WITH?
>
>
> --
> Beav
>
>
> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
> (with the obvious changes)
>
> Beavisland now lives at
> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>
>

[Beav]

"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
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> umm I haven't ventured beyond the back yard yet ;)
>
> My mate watches sometimes ;-)
>
> with my gyro/setup nearly working right though I might be ready to take it
> out soon. Sale water-park (Trafford Water-Sports Centre I think they call
> it) has a field full of mini helipads!

And a field full of mine heli flyers too I've heard:-) Actually I don't know
for sure if there ARE still heli flyers at Sale club. I know they were split
from the plank flyers and had their own little off-shoot field a few
hundered yards from the plank field, but I don't know if the heli contingent
is still active at that field.
>
> where d'you fly ? Bolton ?

Indeed. If ever you fancy a walk up a nice "exercise" hill, let me know and
you can come and join us. There's one or two of us fly regularly and a few
other less regularly. Some even post on this here board of loons.

E-mail me if tha want's come o-er 'ere. ("Reply to" address is munged to cut
out spam, so check the sig)


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Carl Farrington]

"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
news:_F2V9.532602$%W4.74598@news.easynews.com...
>
> "Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
> news:b011b8$7mi$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> > umm I haven't ventured beyond the back yard yet ;)

> > where d'you fly ? Bolton ?
>
> Indeed. If ever you fancy a walk up a nice "exercise" hill, let me know
and
> you can come and join us. There's one or two of us fly regularly and a few
> other less regularly. Some even post on this here board of loons.
>
> E-mail me if tha want's come o-er 'ere. ("Reply to" address is munged to
cut
> out spam, so check the sig)
>
> --
> Beav



That would be fantastic Beav! Thanks for the invite!
I've just crashed again today :) It wasn't my fault, really! I was doing
good but I descended from some fast-ish flight a bit quick and when I gave
it lots more collective it didn't lift in time!! heh. just ordered new
blades and yet another set of mixing arms, flybar stabiliser and linkage
rods.

At least there was no boom strike this time ;)

Once I get it up and running and build up the confidence I would love to
come over and see how its done properly

Thank you!

[Carl Farrington]

"Phil Noel" <pnoel@dccnet.com> wrote in message
news:v263nnbb59r8c8@corp.supernews.com...
> Hmmm.....I have standard DuBro fuel tubing that has been immersed in CP30%
> for over 4 years, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and no deterioration of
the
> fuel lines!!!
>
> And I bet you guys have some that are the same. Where is it? It is the
fuel
> line that is in your fuel jug. So why does it last so long and the lines
in
> the tank do not? Hint.....do the lines in your fuel jug ever get exposed
to
> exhaust from burned fuel???
>
> No. But I bet you use muffler pressure and do not always fill your tank
> after running to scavenge it of any remaining exhaust fumes after every
> flight.
>
> I have very old tubing in all my heli's also. But I haven't used muffler
> pressure on my 30's or 46/50's for 10 years. Just Uniflow with no muffler
> pressure. My 60's have been YS's for as long as I can remember, they do
not
> use muffler pressure. Narry a fuel line deterioration problem.
>
> The same fumes that kill bearings left to sit in them will deteriorate
fuel
> line. Soaking these lines directly in the fuel day in day out, year in
year
> out does not do so.
>
> Phil
>

Phil, this issue has been raised in the Feb issue of MHW, and the author of
the review also suspects the fuel. I'm thinking of writing in with what you
said, of course stating that I'm only relaying what you have said. Do you
think I'd get my letter published ? :)