Helipro Blackhawk 500... gone for ever? [Archive]

Chuck

Apr 10, 2008, 01:00 AM

There is enough difference between the real thing and a model that it's not
usually a big deal.
The R/C control system is nothing like the control system used on the real
thing, other than perhaps that you generally move an R/C flight control in
the direction you want to go.
Besides, a decent gyro on the R/C model does most of the tail rotor control.
As far as why one direction vs another, there may be a simple reason, such
as the "standard" rotation direction of model engines, and the typical
gearing.

"C J Klingman" <cklingman@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47fcd0ba$0$30675$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> I'm trying to learn about the model helicopter hobby.
>
> It seems that nearly all the full size helicopter rotor blades turn CCW as
> viewed from the top. Seems most of the model helicopter blades turn CW.
> Why is this?
>
> When a full size helicopter pilot(as opposed to a midget pilot) tries a
> model, are his reflexes totally screwed up, or is it easy for them to
> adjust?
>
>
> >
>
>

The OTHER Kevin in San Diego

Apr 10, 2008, 05:28 PM

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:20:53 -0500, "C J Klingman"
<cklingman@austin.rr.com> wrote:

>I'm trying to learn about the model helicopter hobby.
>
>It seems that nearly all the full size helicopter rotor blades turn CCW as
>viewed from the top. Seems most of the model helicopter blades turn CW.
>Why is this?
>
>When a full size helicopter pilot(as opposed to a midget pilot) tries a
>model, are his reflexes totally screwed up, or is it easy for them to
>adjust?

They're not the same. I'm a rated full scale heli-driver and have no
problem flying either the models or the real bird.

As for the rotor direction, it's probably due to the direction nitro
engines run and the gearing. It was probably easier to mimic this
with the electric helis since the head engineering and geometry was
already worked out.

BTW: Most full scale european helis spin CW. Flying one of those
after a US built bird really jacks with your head for a few minutes
and then it's biz as usual.

Steve R.

Apr 11, 2008, 10:13 AM

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message news:ne1tv3dd12fkj7lmqps69ob722o06puj3v@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:20:53 -0500, "C J Klingman"
> <cklingman@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm trying to learn about the model helicopter hobby.
>>
>>It seems that nearly all the full size helicopter rotor blades turn CCW as
>>viewed from the top. Seems most of the model helicopter blades turn CW.
>>Why is this?
>>
>>When a full size helicopter pilot(as opposed to a midget pilot) tries a
>>model, are his reflexes totally screwed up, or is it easy for them to
>>adjust?
>
> They're not the same. I'm a rated full scale heli-driver and have no
> problem flying either the models or the real bird.
>

Yeah, but that's because you've learned both. Find a person who only flies
models and put them in a full size for the first time (or vice versa) and
see what happens! Out of curiosity, Kevin, which did you learn to fly first
and do you think that being able to fly the one, helped you when you tried
to learn the other?

> As for the rotor direction, it's probably due to the direction nitro
> engines run and the gearing. It was probably easier to mimic this
> with the electric helis since the head engineering and geometry was
> already worked out.
>

Honestly, I've not thought about it much but I think you're right. I've
flown models with CW and CCW rotor system and I didn't have any significant
issues with either. I had to pay attention at setup time to make sure my
revo mixes were going in the correct direction back when we had mechanical
gyros but that's about it. These days, with HH gyros, it's a total non
issue. Asside from the fact that the bird lean in opposite directions in a
hover, I don't feel much difference! :-)

> BTW: Most full scale european helis spin CW. Flying one of those
> after a US built bird really jacks with your head for a few minutes
> and then it's biz as usual.
>

Interesting when they swap that power pedal, huh? But you figure it out
quickly enough! ;-)

The OTHER Kevin in San Diego

Apr 11, 2008, 01:36 PM

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:13:55 -0500, "Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Yeah, but that's because you've learned both. Find a person who only flies
>models and put them in a full size for the first time (or vice versa) and
>see what happens! Out of curiosity, Kevin, which did you learn to fly first
>and do you think that being able to fly the one, helped you when you tried
>to learn the other?

Actually, I did the RC thing 1st back in '93 or so, then stopped
everything RC for about 12 years and got back into RC Helis and full
scale right about the same time a few years ago.

The full scale training didn't help me fly the RC, but it did help
with setup/troubleshooting 'cuz I knew the hows and whys of helicopter
aerodynamics.

>Honestly, I've not thought about it much but I think you're right. I've
>flown models with CW and CCW rotor system and I didn't have any significant
>issues with either. I had to pay attention at setup time to make sure my
>revo mixes were going in the correct direction back when we had mechanical
>gyros but that's about it. These days, with HH gyros, it's a total non
>issue. Asside from the fact that the bird lean in opposite directions in a
>hover, I don't feel much difference! :-)

I get SOOOO many PMs on Helifreak from newbies who are concerned about
the lean in a hover or who can't get a hands-free hover.. They all
seem to be really surprised when I tell 'em you actually have to FLY
the thing...

>Interesting when they swap that power pedal, huh? But you figure it out
>quickly enough! ;-)

Yeah, especially when you're practicing autos. :)

Steve R.

Apr 11, 2008, 04:20 PM

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message news:k58vv31dggj6gi99vn9dk8t62sgt8hr78c@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:13:55 -0500, "Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Honestly, I've not thought about it much but I think you're right. I've
>>flown models with CW and CCW rotor system and I didn't have any
>>significant
>>issues with either. I had to pay attention at setup time to make sure my
>>revo mixes were going in the correct direction back when we had mechanical
>>gyros but that's about it. These days, with HH gyros, it's a total non
>>issue. Asside from the fact that the bird lean in opposite directions in
>>a
>>hover, I don't feel much difference! :-)
>
> I get SOOOO many PMs on Helifreak from newbies who are concerned about
> the lean in a hover or who can't get a hands-free hover.. They all
> seem to be really surprised when I tell 'em you actually have to FLY
> the thing...
>

I can imagine! :-)

One of my favorites is the paniced questioning I've received after the newbe
discovers the wonders of translational lift on a variable wind day. "I was
sitting there in a stable hover and the thing shot straight up, and I DIDN'T
MOVE ANYTHING!!!!!" Of course, that's followed by the sudden drop after
they lower the collective and then mother nature takes the wind away. If
the model survives this encounter, the student will start concentrating more
on the finer points ouf altitude control! :-D

Fly Safe,
Steve R.

Tsunami

Apr 14, 2008, 09:46 AM

And seeing as though CJ accidentally posted a reply to mine....... not a new
post...... are there any answers to to my question fellas??

"C J Klingman" <cklingman@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47fcd0ba$0$30675$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> I'm trying to learn about the model helicopter hobby.
>
> It seems that nearly all the full size helicopter rotor blades turn CCW as
> viewed from the top. Seems most of the model helicopter blades turn CW.
> Why is this?
>
> When a full size helicopter pilot(as opposed to a midget pilot) tries a
> model, are his reflexes totally screwed up, or is it easy for them to
> adjust?
>
>
> >
>
>

Steve R.

Apr 14, 2008, 08:29 PM

"Tsunami" <nononono@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:9oOdnVIY95Kr_Z7VnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@westnet.com. au...
> And seeing as though CJ accidentally posted a reply to mine....... not a
> new
> post...... are there any answers to to my question fellas??
>
>
> "C J Klingman" <cklingman@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:47fcd0ba$0$30675$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I'm trying to learn about the model helicopter hobby.
>>
>> It seems that nearly all the full size helicopter rotor blades turn CCW
>> as
>> viewed from the top. Seems most of the model helicopter blades turn CW.
>> Why is this?
>>
>> When a full size helicopter pilot(as opposed to a midget pilot) tries a
>> model, are his reflexes totally screwed up, or is it easy for them to
>> adjust?
>>

Actually, Tsunami, I think "the Other Kevin" answered your question to some
degree, at least as it pertains to flying full sized birds. Switching from
a CW to a CCW machine will cause some issues with tail control because the
reflexes they've developed for controlling the tail rotor on a CW machine
are opposite of what they'll need on a CCW machine, but they adjust quickly
enough. It's called the incentive plan!! ;-)

As for models, that's a different issue. If they know how to fly the model,
I don't personally think the rotors direction of rotation makes much
difference as I stated in one of my previous responses. If the full size
pilot does not know how to fly the RC versions, he/she will have the same
issues the rest of us do to one degree or another. As always, it depends on
the individuals natural gifts and eye/hand coordination. The advantage the
full scale pilot "may" have is more familiarity with the controls (cyclic,
collective, tail rotor) and how they interact with each other than a totally
green non-pilot would have. However, there's a BIG difference between
sitting "in" the helicopter and flying it with your arms, hands, and feet as
opposed to standing 15' away from it and attempting to fly it with your
fingers and/or thumbs via outside visual references only.

Bottom line is, just because you can fly the model, don't automatically
assume you can handle the full size birds. Likewise, just because you can
fly the full size versions, doesn't mean you'll naturally pick up an RC
model.

I hope that clarifies things a little! :-)

Fly Safe,
Steve R.

Tsunami

Apr 15, 2008, 09:19 AM

"Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mu-dnbUSYOdWa57VnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@comcast.com...
> "Tsunami" <nononono@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:9oOdnVIY95Kr_Z7VnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@westnet.com. au...
> > And seeing as though CJ accidentally posted a reply to mine....... not a
> > new
> > post...... are there any answers to to my question fellas??
> >
> >
> > "C J Klingman" <cklingman@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:47fcd0ba$0$30675$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> I'm trying to learn about the model helicopter hobby.
> >>
> >> It seems that nearly all the full size helicopter rotor blades turn CCW
> >> as
> >> viewed from the top. Seems most of the model helicopter blades turn
CW.
> >> Why is this?
> >>
> >> When a full size helicopter pilot(as opposed to a midget pilot) tries a
> >> model, are his reflexes totally screwed up, or is it easy for them to
> >> adjust?
> >>
>
>
>
> Actually, Tsunami, I think "the Other Kevin" answered your question to
some
> degree, at least as it pertains to flying full sized birds. Switching
from
> a CW to a CCW machine will cause some issues with tail control because the
> reflexes they've developed for controlling the tail rotor on a CW machine
> are opposite of what they'll need on a CCW machine, but they adjust
quickly
> enough. It's called the incentive plan!! ;-)
>
> As for models, that's a different issue. If they know how to fly the
model,
> I don't personally think the rotors direction of rotation makes much
> difference as I stated in one of my previous responses. If the full size
> pilot does not know how to fly the RC versions, he/she will have the same
> issues the rest of us do to one degree or another. As always, it depends
on
> the individuals natural gifts and eye/hand coordination. The advantage
the
> full scale pilot "may" have is more familiarity with the controls (cyclic,
> collective, tail rotor) and how they interact with each other than a
totally
> green non-pilot would have. However, there's a BIG difference between
> sitting "in" the helicopter and flying it with your arms, hands, and feet
as
> opposed to standing 15' away from it and attempting to fly it with your
> fingers and/or thumbs via outside visual references only.
>
> Bottom line is, just because you can fly the model, don't automatically
> assume you can handle the full size birds. Likewise, just because you can
> fly the full size versions, doesn't mean you'll naturally pick up an RC
> model.
>
> I hope that clarifies things a little! :-)
>
> Fly Safe,
> Steve R.
>

Huh? My Q'n was about HeliPro blackhawk500 spares and if the model is made
anymore?
I think something funny is happening in newsreaderland or on google groups
or whatever as replies are under the wrong thread I think

The OTHER Kevin in San Diego

Apr 15, 2008, 01:26 PM

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:20:16 -0500, "Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net>
wrote:

>One of my favorites is the paniced questioning I've received after the newbe
>discovers the wonders of translational lift on a variable wind day. "I was
>sitting there in a stable hover and the thing shot straight up, and I DIDN'T
>MOVE ANYTHING!!!!!" Of course, that's followed by the sudden drop after
>they lower the collective and then mother nature takes the wind away. If
>the model survives this encounter, the student will start concentrating more
>on the finer points ouf altitude control! :-D

I got into a rather heated discussion on RunRyder about two years ago
regarding TL and Ground Effect and even after a dozen or so folks
chimed in to back my info up, the knucklehead on the other side of the
conversation insisted I was wrong and even went so far as to whine to
the admins...

I especially love the "My heli spins uncontrollably when I pick it
up!!" posts. I'm amazed, that with the sheer number of people doing
this and the HUGE amounts on help available online, that people still
don't check the proper operation of the TR/Gyro. Fuggit! I'll bolt
it all together and it'll fly....

Steve R.

Apr 15, 2008, 07:38 PM

"Tsunami" <nononono@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:qKadnSfF18j4NpnVnZ2dnUVZ_ramnZ2d@westnet.com. au...
>
> "Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:mu-dnbUSYOdWa57VnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@comcast.com...
>> "Tsunami" <nononono@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:9oOdnVIY95Kr_Z7VnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@westnet.com. au...
>> > And seeing as though CJ accidentally posted a reply to mine....... not
>> > a
>> > new
>> > post...... are there any answers to to my question fellas??
>> >
>> >
>> > "C J Klingman" <cklingman@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:47fcd0ba$0$30675$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> I'm trying to learn about the model helicopter hobby.
>> >>
>> >> It seems that nearly all the full size helicopter rotor blades turn
>> >> CCW
>> >> as
>> >> viewed from the top. Seems most of the model helicopter blades turn
> CW.
>> >> Why is this?
>> >>
>> >> When a full size helicopter pilot(as opposed to a midget pilot) tries
>> >> a
>> >> model, are his reflexes totally screwed up, or is it easy for them to
>> >> adjust?
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, Tsunami, I think "the Other Kevin" answered your question to
> some
>> degree, at least as it pertains to flying full sized birds. Switching
> from
>> a CW to a CCW machine will cause some issues with tail control because
>> the
>> reflexes they've developed for controlling the tail rotor on a CW machine
>> are opposite of what they'll need on a CCW machine, but they adjust
> quickly
>> enough. It's called the incentive plan!! ;-)
>>
>> As for models, that's a different issue. If they know how to fly the
> model,
>> I don't personally think the rotors direction of rotation makes much
>> difference as I stated in one of my previous responses. If the full size
>> pilot does not know how to fly the RC versions, he/she will have the same
>> issues the rest of us do to one degree or another. As always, it depends
> on
>> the individuals natural gifts and eye/hand coordination. The advantage
> the
>> full scale pilot "may" have is more familiarity with the controls
>> (cyclic,
>> collective, tail rotor) and how they interact with each other than a
> totally
>> green non-pilot would have. However, there's a BIG difference between
>> sitting "in" the helicopter and flying it with your arms, hands, and feet
> as
>> opposed to standing 15' away from it and attempting to fly it with your
>> fingers and/or thumbs via outside visual references only.
>>
>> Bottom line is, just because you can fly the model, don't automatically
>> assume you can handle the full size birds. Likewise, just because you
>> can
>> fly the full size versions, doesn't mean you'll naturally pick up an RC
>> model.
>>
>> I hope that clarifies things a little! :-)
>>
>> Fly Safe,
>> Steve R.
>>
>
> Huh? My Q'n was about HeliPro blackhawk500 spares and if the model is made
> anymore?
> I think something funny is happening in newsreaderland or on google groups
> or whatever as replies are under the wrong thread I think
>

Hmmm, well, I don't know how you got stuck in this one but, the subject line
has always been about the direction of rotor blade rotation how that
effects the flight characteristics of the model. I don't remember anything
about the model you mention here but this one's gone on long enough that
that probably doesn't mean much! ;-)

Good luck,
Steve R.

PS: Sorry I can't help you with your question.

Larry Farrell

Apr 15, 2008, 07:47 PM

Tsunami wrote:
[snip]

>
> Huh? My Q'n was about HeliPro blackhawk500 spares and if the model is made
> anymore?
> I think something funny is happening in newsreaderland or on google groups
> or whatever as replies are under the wrong thread I think
>
>
>

I just Googled it and found the following address for the copter.

>
http://www.rcbestseller.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/4/products_id/338

And the following for replacement parts.

> http://www.nitroplanes.com/hebl500repa.html

Found both in about 20 seconds.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Skywise

Apr 15, 2008, 11:08 PM

"Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net> wrote in
news:x6-dnb_MfNIeoZjVnZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com:

> Hmmm, well, I don't know how you got stuck in this one but, the subject
> line has always been about the direction of rotor blade rotation how
> that effects the flight characteristics of the model. I don't remember
> anything about the model you mention here but this one's gone on long
> enough that that probably doesn't mean much! ;-)

I'm not using GG and the thread you mention got lumped under his
original post.

Perhaps, for some reason, his original post did not propogate to
your server, but you did see the reply, which to you appeared as
a new thread as it had a new subject as opposed to "re: blah blah".

But then, you appear to be using Giganews, which is what I'm on
as a corporate outsource customer, so we should be seeing the same
thing.

Brian
--
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Tsunami

Apr 16, 2008, 06:03 AM

"Larry Farrell" <farrlarr@isu.edu> wrote in message
news:3d592$48053e83$1424@news.teranews.com...
> Tsunami wrote:
> [snip]
>
> >
> > Huh? My Q'n was about HeliPro blackhawk500 spares and if the model is
made
> > anymore?
> > I think something funny is happening in newsreaderland or on google
groups
> > or whatever as replies are under the wrong thread I think
> >
> >
> >
>
> I just Googled it and found the following address for the copter.
>
> >
>
http://www.rcbestseller.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/4/products_id/338
>
> And the following for replacement parts.
>
> > http://www.nitroplanes.com/hebl500repa.html
>
> Found both in about 20 seconds.
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Yes I know. But many sellers are out of some parts, and the heli kit is no
longer listed at most of them
I can use google and find spare parts.... I want to knwo if anybody *knows*
that the model is discontinued or *knows* that the parts supply problem is
only brief

Apr 16, 2008, 08:47 AM

"Skywise" <into@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote in message
news:25eNj.10656$_h7.10649@newsfe05.ams2...
> "Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:x6-dnb_MfNIeoZjVnZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> Hmmm, well, I don't know how you got stuck in this one but, the subject
>> line has always been about the direction of rotor blade rotation how
>> that effects the flight characteristics of the model. I don't remember
>> anything about the model you mention here but this one's gone on long
>> enough that that probably doesn't mean much! ;-)
>
> I'm not using GG and the thread you mention got lumped under his
> original post.
>
> Perhaps, for some reason, his original post did not propogate to
> your server, but you did see the reply, which to you appeared as
> a new thread as it had a new subject as opposed to "re: blah blah".
>
> But then, you appear to be using Giganews, which is what I'm on
> as a corporate outsource customer, so we should be seeing the same
> thing.
>
> Brian

Just looking real quick, but I'm seeing the first post by Tsunami with
"Helipro Blackhawk 500...gone for ever?" as a subject line. The very next
reply by C J Klingman 1 hour later changes the subject line to "Blade
Rotation"...What probably happened is an honest accident in that CJ Klingman
might have been reading the Blackhawk 500 subject and instead of creating a
new post for his topic, he may have inadvertently clicked "reply" and then
changed the subject line....

IYM

Larry Farrell

Apr 16, 2008, 09:50 AM

Tsunami wrote:
> "Larry Farrell" <farrlarr@isu.edu> wrote in message
> news:3d592$48053e83$1424@news.teranews.com...
>> Tsunami wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Huh? My Q'n was about HeliPro blackhawk500 spares and if the model is
> made
>>> anymore?
>>> I think something funny is happening in newsreaderland or on google
> groups
>>> or whatever as replies are under the wrong thread I think
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I just Googled it and found the following address for the copter.
>>
> http://www.rcbestseller.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/4/products_id/338
>> And the following for replacement parts.
>>
>>> http://www.nitroplanes.com/hebl500repa.html
>> Found both in about 20 seconds.
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>
> Yes I know. But many sellers are out of some parts, and the heli kit is no
> longer listed at most of them
> I can use google and find spare parts.... I want to knwo if anybody *knows*
> that the model is discontinued or *knows* that the parts supply problem is
> only brief
>
>
Well, excuse me. You had given no earlier indication that you had done
so it seemed to me to be a reasonable thing to do. Sorry it didn't meet
your specific needs.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Steve R

Apr 16, 2008, 06:18 PM

"Skywise" <into@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote in message
news:25eNj.10656$_h7.10649@newsfe05.ams2...
> But then, you appear to be using Giganews, which is what I'm on
> as a corporate outsource customer, so we should be seeing the same
> thing.
>
> Brian
> --

I don't know if I'm using Gaganews or not. I'm just setup to the what I
assumed was a generic newgroup reader that Comcast uses?

Oh well....... :-)

Fly Safe,
Steve R.

Skywise

Apr 16, 2008, 11:55 PM

"Steve R" <srhodes13@comcast.net> wrote in news:1OKdncF-
dLOA5pvVnZ2dnUVZ_tCrnZ2d@comcast.com:

>
> "Skywise" <into@oblivion.nothing.com> wrote in message
> news:25eNj.10656$_h7.10649@newsfe05.ams2...
>> But then, you appear to be using Giganews, which is what I'm on
>> as a corporate outsource customer, so we should be seeing the same
>> thing.
>>
>> Brian
>> --
>
> I don't know if I'm using Gaganews or not. I'm just setup to the what I
> assumed was a generic newgroup reader that Comcast uses?

I can tell from your headers. You're a corporate outsource customer
just like me. Our ISP's don't have their own news servers. They've
bought a package deal through Giganews to handle it for them.

But as IYM stated, I agree that is was likely accidental. Perhaps
if you have filters in your news client? I personally don't see
enough spam to require filters. I just skip those articles I don't
want to read.

Brian
--
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Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
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Beav

Apr 20, 2008, 12:34 PM

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message news:h2p904hiee7t6bcm41530btjlog0a7avjp@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:20:16 -0500, "Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>One of my favorites is the paniced questioning I've received after the
>>newbe
>>discovers the wonders of translational lift on a variable wind day. "I
>>was
>>sitting there in a stable hover and the thing shot straight up, and I
>>DIDN'T
>>MOVE ANYTHING!!!!!" Of course, that's followed by the sudden drop after
>>they lower the collective and then mother nature takes the wind away. If
>>the model survives this encounter, the student will start concentrating
>>more
>>on the finer points ouf altitude control! :-D
>
> I got into a rather heated discussion on RunRyder about two years ago
> regarding TL and Ground Effect and even after a dozen or so folks
> chimed in to back my info up, the knucklehead on the other side of the
> conversation insisted I was wrong and even went so far as to whine to
> the admins...
>
> I especially love the "My heli spins uncontrollably when I pick it
> up!!" posts. I'm amazed, that with the sheer number of people doing
> this and the HUGE amounts on help available online, that people still
> don't check the proper operation of the TR/Gyro. Fuggit! I'll bolt
> it all together and it'll fly....

Kev, it's been like that since Deiter Schluter put the first ever model heli
on the market. They're small, ergo, they're toys so they mustn't need any
knowledge to operate them.

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Apr 20, 2008, 12:37 PM

"Tsunami" <nononono@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:mu-dnbUSYOdWa57VnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@comcast.com...
>> "Tsunami" <nononono@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:9oOdnVIY95Kr_Z7VnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@westnet.com. au...
>> > And seeing as though CJ accidentally posted a reply to mine....... not
>> > a
>> > new
>> > post...... are there any answers to to my question fellas??
>> >
>> >
>> > "C J Klingman" <cklingman@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:47fcd0ba$0$30675$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> I'm trying to learn about the model helicopter hobby.
>> >>
>> >> It seems that nearly all the full size helicopter rotor blades turn
>> >> CCW
>> >> as
>> >> viewed from the top. Seems most of the model helicopter blades turn
> CW.
>> >> Why is this?
>> >>
>> >> When a full size helicopter pilot(as opposed to a midget pilot) tries
>> >> a
>> >> model, are his reflexes totally screwed up, or is it easy for them to
>> >> adjust?
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, Tsunami, I think "the Other Kevin" answered your question to
> some
>> degree, at least as it pertains to flying full sized birds. Switching
> from
>> a CW to a CCW machine will cause some issues with tail control because
>> the
>> reflexes they've developed for controlling the tail rotor on a CW machine
>> are opposite of what they'll need on a CCW machine, but they adjust
> quickly
>> enough. It's called the incentive plan!! ;-)
>>
>> As for models, that's a different issue. If they know how to fly the
> model,
>> I don't personally think the rotors direction of rotation makes much
>> difference as I stated in one of my previous responses. If the full size
>> pilot does not know how to fly the RC versions, he/she will have the same
>> issues the rest of us do to one degree or another. As always, it depends
> on
>> the individuals natural gifts and eye/hand coordination. The advantage
> the
>> full scale pilot "may" have is more familiarity with the controls
>> (cyclic,
>> collective, tail rotor) and how they interact with each other than a
> totally
>> green non-pilot would have. However, there's a BIG difference between
>> sitting "in" the helicopter and flying it with your arms, hands, and feet
> as
>> opposed to standing 15' away from it and attempting to fly it with your
>> fingers and/or thumbs via outside visual references only.
>>
>> Bottom line is, just because you can fly the model, don't automatically
>> assume you can handle the full size birds. Likewise, just because you
>> can
>> fly the full size versions, doesn't mean you'll naturally pick up an RC
>> model.
>>
>> I hope that clarifies things a little! :-)
>>
>> Fly Safe,
>> Steve R.
>>
>
> Huh? My Q'n was about HeliPro blackhawk500 spares and if the model is made
> anymore?
> I think something funny is happening in newsreaderland or on google groups
> or whatever as replies are under the wrong thread I think

Your thread was hijacked and re-named. It happens all the time, but it does
tend to divert attention away from the original question.

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Apr 20, 2008, 12:38 PM

"Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Tsunami" <nononono@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:qKadnSfF18j4NpnVnZ2dnUVZ_ramnZ2d@westnet.com. au...
>>
>> "Steve R." <srhodes13@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:mu-dnbUSYOdWa57VnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> "Tsunami" <nononono@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:9oOdnVIY95Kr_Z7VnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@westnet.com. au...
>>> > And seeing as though CJ accidentally posted a reply to mine....... not
>>> > a
>>> > new
>>> > post...... are there any answers to to my question fellas??
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "C J Klingman" <cklingman@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:47fcd0ba$0$30675$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> >> I'm trying to learn about the model helicopter hobby.
>>> >>
>>> >> It seems that nearly all the full size helicopter rotor blades turn
>>> >> CCW
>>> >> as
>>> >> viewed from the top. Seems most of the model helicopter blades turn
>> CW.
>>> >> Why is this?
>>> >>
>>> >> When a full size helicopter pilot(as opposed to a midget pilot) tries
>>> >> a
>>> >> model, are his reflexes totally screwed up, or is it easy for them to
>>> >> adjust?
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, Tsunami, I think "the Other Kevin" answered your question to
>> some
>>> degree, at least as it pertains to flying full sized birds. Switching
>> from
>>> a CW to a CCW machine will cause some issues with tail control because
>>> the
>>> reflexes they've developed for controlling the tail rotor on a CW
>>> machine
>>> are opposite of what they'll need on a CCW machine, but they adjust
>> quickly
>>> enough. It's called the incentive plan!! ;-)
>>>
>>> As for models, that's a different issue. If they know how to fly the
>> model,
>>> I don't personally think the rotors direction of rotation makes much
>>> difference as I stated in one of my previous responses. If the full
>>> size
>>> pilot does not know how to fly the RC versions, he/she will have the
>>> same
>>> issues the rest of us do to one degree or another. As always, it
>>> depends
>> on
>>> the individuals natural gifts and eye/hand coordination. The advantage
>> the
>>> full scale pilot "may" have is more familiarity with the controls
>>> (cyclic,
>>> collective, tail rotor) and how they interact with each other than a
>> totally
>>> green non-pilot would have. However, there's a BIG difference between
>>> sitting "in" the helicopter and flying it with your arms, hands, and
>>> feet
>> as
>>> opposed to standing 15' away from it and attempting to fly it with your
>>> fingers and/or thumbs via outside visual references only.
>>>
>>> Bottom line is, just because you can fly the model, don't automatically
>>> assume you can handle the full size birds. Likewise, just because you
>>> can
>>> fly the full size versions, doesn't mean you'll naturally pick up an RC
>>> model.
>>>
>>> I hope that clarifies things a little! :-)
>>>
>>> Fly Safe,
>>> Steve R.
>>>
>>
>> Huh? My Q'n was about HeliPro blackhawk500 spares and if the model is
>> made
>> anymore?
>> I think something funny is happening in newsreaderland or on google
>> groups
>> or whatever as replies are under the wrong thread I think
>>
>
> Hmmm, well, I don't know how you got stuck in this one but, the subject
> line has always been about the direction of rotor blade rotation how that
> effects the flight characteristics of the model.

That was the 2nd post in the thread Steve and it was made by CJ something.
Tsunami's question never got an answer and I cna't help him coz.... well
it's an electric heli innit? :-)

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Apr 20, 2008, 09:07 PM

"Tsunami" <nononono@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Larry Farrell" <farrlarr@isu.edu> wrote in message
> news:3d592$48053e83$1424@news.teranews.com...
>> Tsunami wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>> >
>> > Huh? My Q'n was about HeliPro blackhawk500 spares and if the model is
> made
>> > anymore?
>> > I think something funny is happening in newsreaderland or on google
> groups
>> > or whatever as replies are under the wrong thread I think
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I just Googled it and found the following address for the copter.
>>
>> >
>>
> http://www.rcbestseller.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/4/products_id/338
>>
>> And the following for replacement parts.
>>
>> > http://www.nitroplanes.com/hebl500repa.html
>>
>> Found both in about 20 seconds.
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>
> Yes I know. But many sellers are out of some parts, and the heli kit is no
> longer listed at most of them
> I can use google and find spare parts.... I want to knwo if anybody
> *knows*
> that the model is discontinued or *knows* that the parts supply problem is
> only brief

Y'know, it's entirely possible for things like main shafts, feathering
spindles, drive gears, clutches, rotor heads, tail rotor gearboxes, blades,
tail booms, undecarriages etc to find their way onto different manufacturers
heli's.

This may be a slightly complicated hobby, but it's not rocket science and a
10mm shaft from one heli can EASILY be made to fit a heli the needs a 10mm
shaft. You can even buy shaft material at engineers suppliers.

I can't remember the last time I bought a manfacturers shaft for ANY
helicopter. Silver steel (and that's all you need) comes in a variety of
diameters, from 1.5, all the way to 20mm if you look hard enough.

Do some "modelling", after all, that's what this hobby is.

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