3D Hobby Shop Dream list

[F1 Rocket]

Since everyone seems to have an opinion on what our favorite design/manufacturing team should be working on next, I'll start the ball rolling with this one :D

http://www.cadcor.com/pdf/Chanute_3fold.pdf


Have fun......

Danny

[blucor basher]

Like I said in the other thread, I just mop the floors. Scott's the brains of this thing.

[Warbirds Rule]

Wow, that's a pretty radical wing shape. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like that. Very cool.

Sean

Since everyone seems to have an opinion on what our favorite design/manufacturing team should be working on next, I'll start the ball rolling with this one :D

http://www.cadcor.com/pdf/Chanute_3fold.pdf


Have fun......

Danny

[sun.flyer]

Looks like lots of coupling to be had with the scale wing/stab positions (very ala Cap 232). I'm sure some fine tuning could be done to minimize/eliminate it.

Definately a cool airplane though.


Tim

[3Deranged]

Works even better when you combine it with SFG's ;) Speaking of hybrid designs...how 'bout one of those in the 87" range. Reactorish, Inspirish, little bit of Asperaish, Clikish,basically something NON-SCALE. :cool: ANYTHING NON-SCALE please! Don't get me wrong, love scale aerobatic planes too. Just might be nice to have something a little different on the flightline. Who knows, might have better 3D performance than a semi-scale? :eek: Wow, that's a pretty radical wing shape. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like that. Very cool.

Sean

[3Deranged]

Dare I say the "B" word? How 'bout a hybrid 3D/pattern bipe? Everyone seems to be going bipe crazy these days(me included) why not 3DHS? :D :cool: Pitts and Ultimates have been done ad nausem, so maybe a change of pace in the bipe design category. :confused: GS Rogueish?

[sukhoi26mx]

Works even better when you combine it with SFG's ;) Speaking of hybrid designs...how 'bout one of those in the 87" range. Reactorish, Inspirish, little bit of Asperaish, Clikish,basically something NON-SCALE. :cool: ANYTHING NON-SCALE please! Don't get me wrong, love scale aerobatic planes too. Just might be nice to have something a little different on the flightline. Who knows, might have better 3D performance than a semi-scale? :eek:

Here's what I'll say about that. It doesn't make any sense to start a design in the 87" range- certainly not a hybrid that will take a lot of tuning. That's where they end up once perfected...Just the nature of the process.

Scott

[800mZero]

Interavia e-3

http://www.schultzairshows.com/derriclee1.jpg

[3Deranged]

Got that part-but no one makes anything special in the GS range. Surely something to work up to like the way you've scaled up the 55" Extra to 87" :D Bigger sure do fly better! Nice job on the Extra 300 SHP 87" taking out the KE coupling. Not an easy thing to do with the elevator/wing/thrust line on the Extra. Seems to need no mixing out of the box. Can't say that for many planes-kewwl!Here's what I'll say about that. It doesn't make any sense to start a design in the 87" range- certainly not a hybrid that will take a lot of tuning. That's where they end up once perfected...Just the nature of the process.

Scott

[3Deranged]

Looks snappy with that low wing. That's going to take some massaging of the wing position for 3D work I would guess. Clean lines though. :) Interavia e-3

http://www.schultzairshows.com/derriclee1.jpg

[800mZero]

Looks snappy with that low wing. That's going to take some massaging of the wing position for 3D work I would guess. Clean lines though. :)


ehh lift the wing a little and it would still look just as sharp and be a short coupled little tumbling machine!

[sukhoi26mx]

ehh lift the wing a little and it would still look just as sharp and be a short coupled little tumbling machine!

Lift the wing a little, and it would look like an ugly Sukhoi with pointy tail! The single seat canopy looks pretty good, but have you seen the two-place canopy? Heinous.

Seriously, though, the low wing ensures lots of pitch/roll coupling. It would need to come up a lot for both pitch coupling and to get the effective dihedral up for roll.

Scott

[BoneDoc]

Why not just a Sukhoi? :D :D :D

How about an 87" Aspera :D.

[blucor basher]

Sheesh...we don't even have the 58" Aspera done yet.

[RC4x4]

Sheesh...we don't even have the 58" Aspera done yet.


There's one secret.

[800mZero]

Lift the wing a little, and it would look like an ugly Sukhoi with pointy tail! The single seat canopy looks pretty good, but have you seen the two-place canopy? Heinous.

Seriously, though, the low wing ensures lots of pitch/roll coupling. It would need to come up a lot for both pitch coupling and to get the effective dihedral up for roll.

Scott


aww come on scott this plane is way uglier than a sukhoi--the suk has grace and curves --this plane looks like a little monster

http://www.legacyflightmuseum.com/images/interavia_e3.jpg

[sun.flyer]

aww come on scott this plane is way uglier than a sukhoi--the suk has grace and curves --this plane looks like a little monster

http://www.legacyflightmuseum.com/images/interavia_e3.jpg

Hmmmm....... ugly.

Nice flames. :D

Tim

[blucor basher]

Woooeeee that's ugly.

[800mZero]

yeah the twin seat canopy sure does ugly it up :D

[3Deranged]

Yup, butt ugly with that canopy. Can't put lipstick on that pig. Didn't see the rudder from side profile till this shot, needs lots more even though its canted a little. Now here's something pretty...just needs a little 3D touch. Larger wing area, huge control surfaces would be a fun thing to test. No canopy to ugly it up! Something along these lines would do nicely :cool:

[F1 Rocket]

Another cool new techish one:
www.xtremeair.de
I shot a few pics of it at Sun-N-Fun earlier this week. I'll post them later.

Ben,
They have a foamie available on their website so the work is already started. next up should be the 47", then 55", then....................................... ;)

Danny

[BoneDoc]

Looks like a really short-coupled plane. Must be a real tumbler :D.

[Get Real]

Post 14 sounds really cool :D .

[MrFlash]

oooooh nice ....

The foamy version (shocky) was designed by Martin Muller, so its obviously got potential ;)

[RC4x4]

That's a pretty nice plane.

[MrFlash]

Theres even a nice 3 veiw so Scott can slack a little.

(BTW the red / black aero in the pics above is the full size version). The shocky I refered to earlier is just a profile job...nice find F1 !

[fighter_ace06]

You just cant beat the lines of an Ultimate 20-300, large wing fairings, long canopy and swept gear. To bad E-flite already made one, I think it would be cool in a 50cc.

[blucor basher]

Now you're talking. 10 or 20, both look fantastic.

[fighter_ace06]

I dont know who I emailed at 3dhs, but im the guy that lives in Uvalde. If that rings any bells

[pilotsi]

Looks snappy with that low wing. That's going to take some massaging of the wing position for 3D work I would guess. Clean lines though. :)
loveing the fire effect

[Doc Austin]

http://www.fluggeil.de/images/laser200/laser_blue.JPG

[blucor basher]

Love it, Doc. Will defintely get around to that.

[cjdscratch]

Doc,

A 3DHS Laser would be really cool. Here is a picture of my Kangke Laser. It's about 7 years old. A friend in my flying club gave it to me a few weeks ago to break in my new DL50 with. It flies OK but it would be nice if Scott and Ben could get rid of the wing rock in harriers and make the ailerons more effective. The ailerons are outboard on the wing so not very effective in a hover. It has a lot of side area so it will KE all day long with little coupling.

[sukhoi26mx]

Doc,

It flies OK but it would be nice if Scott and Ben could get rid of the wing rock in harriers and make the ailerons more effective.

Piece of cake. No issues there.

Scott

[BoneDoc]

Add one more to the "to do" list :D.

[AllBread]

Piece of cake. No issues there.

Scott

For all we know they originally started out trying to make the Laser and by the time they took care of all the issues they had an Extra on their hands!

[qmulus]

I'd like to see a Loudenslager Shark. I grew up not far from Oshkosh, WI and got to see Leo Loudenslager fly a few times at the EAA convention. Seeing him and others of the time, like Art Scholl and Bob Hoover, perform is what got me excited about aviation as a kid. Too bad he died a month before the Shark was to be finished. The Shark was incredibly innovative, built with the same concerns for light weight and extreme maneuverability that there are in 3D RC planes. There are lots of Laser models, but I only know of one or two scratch built Sharks. Not sure why; maybe it actually doesn't fly well or the tail is too complex... The looks alone would set it apart from everything else on the market, with the odd wing leading edge and unique tail. I don't know what you would do about the tail, as you certainly wouldn't use the monkey motion of the tail of full scale version. I'm sure Ben and Scott could figure that out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZTFnZV5NU8&feature=related

Loudenslager Shark (http://museum.eaa.org/virtual/interactive/innovations/shark/)

[cjdscratch]

Interesting to say the least!!! I think I like this one too!!

[F1 Rocket]

The Shark is one cool bird for sure. They went to extreme lengths to save weight. The fus is made from carbon tubes that are bonded to titanium clusters. It is interesting that full size acro development didn’t continue follow down this path. The highest performing current designs (Edge, Extra, MX2) are still fairly conventional designs that trace their roots (as did Leo’s Laser) back the Spinks Acromaster.


Danny

[NumbSkull]

That Shark looks like it would be capable of some CRAZY stuff, especially for a full size.

The only catch I can see is that the rudder and the elevator wouldn't be able to be used at high deflections at the same time, it looks like they would hit each other once the stabs started to deflect.

[MustangAce17]

The Shark model in the right pic look's to be my friend Baron Johnson's scratchbuild,I've yet to see it fly personally but have heard real good things.He is very well known in the IMAC genre.

[qmulus]

Back to the Dream List. Andrew Jesky and 3DHS are teaming up. Looks like Mr. Peanut has got AJ serving up Koolaid now. Check out the AJ Extra 330 thread in the 3D flying forum. So many planes, so little time. When do those 3DHS "economic stimulus" checks get mailed out anyway?

All I can say is .... wow

[TRuss]

The Amethyst is beautiful. I've never seen it before today.

[Mike Parsons]

Pitts Raptor!

[flyinghamiltons]

Bring on a big badAz......Bipe!! :)

[BoneDoc]

Slick 360... oh wait, it's being produced already :D.

[flyinghamiltons]

The Slick indeed flew very well, and looks like another plane for the fleet is needed!:) :) MAN, i'm going to need a trailer for the next seff!!

[blucor basher]

We'll be posting lots of SEFF pics. Apparently I shot 704 pictures. Lots of croppping to do...

Here's one of Scott w/ his new Demo aircraft. If you want to see him fly the wings off it, subscribe to Fred Midgett's flightPass and watch it in HD.

[blucor basher]

Here is a pic of the scene in front of our pits at SEFF.

[3Deranged]

Nice scenery, looks like half of the warehouse is parked on the flightline! A biplane would make a wonderful statement as well. Getting 2 winged fever too. If done right they make a superb 3D platform-hint hint!! ;) ;)

[flyinghamiltons]

I agree, we had the delight of flying the new great planes reactor biplane, Awesome bird, it was a hoot, and rock solid!! A 55 inch or bigger Bipe would be smoking sweet... and who better to design it...3DHS!! :) :)

[3Deranged]

I'm thinking in the 60"+ range, that way you can bring it to GS fly-ins too. :) Electric of course! Funny about the Reactor Bipe-I called that one a year and a half ago! I was flying both the 41" and 58" Reactors and thought a Reactor bipe would be off the hook. Someone does listen! Reactor Bipe seems kind of heavy-how were it's slow fly characteristics? The small one would do all kinds of crazy stuff(Reactor Furball we called it :D). Have seen a few vids but no one's really doing any cool 3D stuff so have yet to see it's 3D characteristics. :confused:

[sukhoi26mx]

I'm thinking in the 60"+ range, that way you can bring it to GS fly-ins too. :) Electric of course! Funny about the Reactor Bipe-I called that one a year and a half ago! I was flying both the 41" and 58" Reactors and thought a Reactor bipe would be off the hook. Someone does listen! Reactor Bipe seems kind of heavy-how were it's slow fly characteristics? The small one would do all kinds of crazy stuff(Reactor Furball we called it :D). Have seen a few vids but no one's really doing any cool 3D stuff so have yet to see it's 3D characteristics. :confused:

You know, of course, that a 60+" bipe is basically a 50cc sized airplane?

[3Deranged]

Yup! This is in the Giant Scale forum and the title to this thread is 3DHS Dreamlist?! :D I can dream big, right? :) I would assume you would start out with the small version first to verify aerodynamics and then scale up. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to see a 50cc Sukhoi soon... :cool: You know, of course, that a 60+" bipe is basically a 50cc sized airplane?

[TRuss]

How about the Bulldog II? There are always those asking for a bipe. Plus. Maybe you could do a whole proceeds go to Jim LeRoy's family sort of thing. It would be a great way to get a 3DHS bipe, while probably being able to use the actual scheme. And most importantly do something nice for his family. I am actually planning a scratch build of it my head right now. It's been driving me crazy all day.

[gwh]

Ben,

How about a ~100" EBT?

[Jeffery]

I'm still dreaming about being able to buy an 87" Extra SHP.

[sukhoi26mx]

Maybe you could do a whole proceeds go to Jim LeRoy's family sort of thing. It would be a great way to get a 3DHS bipe, while probably being able to use the actual scheme. And most importantly do something nice for his family. I am actually planning a scratch build of it my head right now. It's been driving me crazy all day.

I'm sure we'd be able to donate something to the family or pay a small royalty, but whole proceeds? That won't keep the lights on...

Very tragic situation, no doubt. He won't be forgotten in the airshow community.

Scott

[sukhoi26mx]

I'm still dreaming about being able to buy an 87" Extra SHP.

It is worth the wait. If I had to choose one model, the 87" SHP would be it. Period.

Scott

[3Deranged]

Trying to take out all the bad coupling from most scale bipes-good luck. That would make a person crazy. Seems like it would be easier to build a non-scale bipe with no coupling than try and make a plane do what it doesn't really want to do-3D. Just built my 1st 3D bipe and it has almost no coupling whatsoever, but it's not a scale bird so most people wouldn't like it. :rolleyes: Still won't stop me from upscaling it and see what that will do to the design flight wise.
Nice sentiment about donating proceeds towards the family. I'm sure they would be very appreciative. That's really a noble idea. How about the Bulldog II? I am actually planning a scratch build of it my head right now. It's been driving me crazy all day.

[TRuss]

No way did I mean to give all of the profits. I should have said a portion of the profits.

EDF. I'm not at all against non scale planes. Honestly I prefer them.

[mexico]

I have had one bipe= 55" electric. Assembling 2 wings and braces and then taking it all apart - what a PITA. Not to be negetive but unless it was small enough to transport assembled - no more bipes for me.

[3Deranged]

Alright, someone else is showing some common sense! :) I am seeing the benefits of something purpose designed for 3D. That's one reason I made my bipe-didn't really see any bipes out there that will will do 3D well. Just had another bad experience with supposedley a good quality scale bipe(nicely built-major aerodynamic issues). I do see the benefits of having the fuse between two wings and it works as long as proportions are kept mostly symmetrical. Most scale bipes are what I like to call ACT's(Advanced Coupling Trainers!). You have to be a good pilot in order to mix and fly out of all the bad coupling! When you look at the Amythest pattern bipe(pictured previously in this thread) you can see the idea behind removing coupling from an airframe. Just trying to come up with a plane that I don't have to fight with to fly right. Pretty bad when you get fed up enough to start making your own. I'd rather buy and fly, but when I can't find what I want I usually end up making it myself anyway... :censored:
EDF. I'm not at all against non scale planes. Honestly I prefer them.

[3Deranged]

I don't mind the assembly/disassembly part as long as it flies like a 3D plane should. That's my only issue, don't really see any bipes I would consider to be total 3D animals(maybe the Rogue-still too small) that you don't have to spend a lot of time mixing out the bad tendencies. The last scale one I've messed with was a smaller 42" size and it didn't need to be taken apart. Still didn't fly worth a crap though. Really disappointed with that one. Had high hopes till it hit the air-AAARRRGGHHH!!!! What a mess in the air. Tried everything under the sun and it still wouldn't track or hold a line. Again-trying to make an aerobatic plane do what it's not designed to do-3D! That's OK-sooner or later there will be enough of the same old Ultimates and Pitts that someone will have to come up with something different just to make a sale. You can only beat a dead horse for so long....I have had one bipe= 55" electric. Assembling 2 wings and braces and then taking it all apart - what a PITA. Not to be negetive but unless it was small enough to transport assembled - no more bipes for me.

[flyinghamiltons]

Coupling or not Bipes are still way cool, just got to fly them the whole flight! :)
Man, a great flying, light wing loading, 50CC size Electric would be a treat for a change!
I'm sure it's in skunkworks... just need to wait a bit for perfection to surface...
Man, with all of these great ideas, and current new releases, looks the lights are going to be burning for many late nights @ 3DHS!

[mexico]

The bipe I had - Topmodel CZ TWin Shark - flew pretty well. Coupling in KE was minimal. I guess I am just lazy. No news flash there.

[TRuss]

I remember the Twin Shark. That was a cool looking plane.

I agree that the Amethyst looks great. I'm partial to just about any pattern design though. It's not too often that you see an ugly pattern plane.

I understand what EDF is getting at. I enjoy the scale aerobats. There is definitely a place for them. But why limit our designs when we face few of the of the design restrictions that the full scale world is faced with. Why not designs optimized for unlimited RC aerobatics? And ofcourse, they still have to look good too. If we get too carried away with function over form then we end up with a bunch of modern F1 cars for the sky. The aesthetic is very important.

Maybe you could work with Jeremy Chinn and develope a larger built up full fuse version of his Fancy Foam Vantage.

[sukhoi26mx]

I remember the Twin Shark. That was a cool looking plane.

I agree that the Amethyst looks great. I'm partial to just about any pattern design though. It's not too often that you see an ugly pattern plane.

I understand what EDF is getting at. I enjoy the scale aerobats. There is definitely a place for them. But why limit our designs when we face few of the of the design restrictions that the full scale world is faced with. Why not designs optimized for unlimited RC aerobatics? And ofcourse, they still have to look good too. If we get too carried away with function over form then we end up with a bunch of modern F1 cars for the sky. The aesthetic is very important.

Maybe you could work with Jeremy Chinn and develope a larger built up full fuse version of his Fancy Foam Vantage.

The issue is not designing an airplane that works, it is designing an airplane that works and has a viable market and that will sell enough copies to make investing both time and capital worthwhile. I'm not saying that non-scale won't work, I'm just not confident that it will work in that size. Also, remember, it has been done (albeit by Chip "I'm Rick James $%*@" Hyde :D - inside joke) in the Double Vision, and designs like the Shark. As I recall, neither were commercial successes, but then again neither were built by 3DH.

FWIW, and I'll get this out there straight up, I dislike biplanes. In retrospect, that might not be a strong enough wording, but you get the point. They look cool, but in their most common form they generally underperform and are a pain to deal with. The only way that I see being involved in a bipe is if we solve the assembly issues that plague mid-sized biplanes. It will have to be easy to rig at the field, preferrably without tools.

Again, not saying it won't happen by a long shot. In fact, I think it needs to happen and we're working on some of the macro issues right now.

Scott

[flyinghamiltons]

Scott, let's see tell us really how you feel!!:))
It's all good brother.... bipes are alot of work..
dude, the Slick, and Sukhoi are certainly exciting news though!!

[AllBread]

Hey, if a biplane took down your pet monkey, you'd hate them too!

[TRuss]

I understand that you and the other companies have to make a profit. You have to cater to the majority as a result. I can also understand your dislike of biplanes. Especially in your case as a product designer and developer.

It's just kind of unfortunate that during this time there isn't more variety. ARFs are extremely popular and are models of extemely popular planes. There are some unique planes available as kits, but they usually aren't 3D/IMAC capable designs. That leaves me with the idea of scratch building the planes that I think would make good models. While very rewarding, it can be very time consuming. And while I have a hundred ideas floating around in my head. Getting them onto paper and then into a 3D form that actually flies how I envisioned it is a task that I'd rather think about than do. I enjoy laser cut kits, and some freeflight stuff. But I really don't see myself as much of a scratch builder.

I do want to say. That while I've never even flown a 3DHS plane or any other popular companies ARFs, I think that 3DHS is doing a great job. It's obvious that you are producing some great flying planes of the highest quality. Most importantly I think though, is that you are never stagnant. You always have something new or soon to be released. That keeps everybody excited, and it definitely shows that you guys have a lot of ideas that you want to get out. It seems to show a true joy of our segment of model aviation that no other company seems to have. Keep doing that!

[flyinghamiltons]

TRUS....Well stated.. that's one of the many "Kudos" we enjoy so much about 3DHS, and crew!!

[sukhoi26mx]

I just reread my post. What a downer I am. Too much of a pragmatist at times. Not saying even for a minute that it can't or won't be done. Just that it hasn't been done yet. In fact, the reality that we're actually talking about it is a good sign :) Things generally happen pretty quickly once we start tossing idea grenades around.

Scott

[TRuss]

Whatever you come up with I'm down for. The only reason that I don't have a 3DHS plane right now is a "lack of funds." I actually don't have any r/c stuff right now. I had to sell it all during an extremely tough financial time about a year and a half ago. I'm mentioning this because after reading them, my previous post seem anti-ARF. Which I'm not. I don't think you thought that...I just wanted to make sure though. Anyway. I'm still recovering from all of that. Things are getting to the point where I will be trying to get back into the hobby as cheaply as possible over the next couple of months. Which brings me to this question. Are the foamies you had at SEFF going to make it into production? I'd like to show you guys some support and that's about as good as I can do for now.

[qmulus]

Personally, I'm not crazy about scale looking biplanes. They look good, but setup always seems to be a PITA, durability is often an issue with the added complexity and weight of spars, linkages and cabane assemblies. That added complexity also makes it easy for people to screw up in assembly. All the 3DHS planes that I have had or seen seem to be very simple to setup, very durable and hard to screw up in assembly. Then there are the flight characteristic issues to sort out.

I'm sure that if 3DHS built a bipe it would be great, but IMU(unqualified)O there is more potential market in just adding addition sizes to their existing designs, like big a Velox and Aspera perhaps, and/or other modern scale aerobatic designs like the Slick. Stay with what you do well.

Now if 3DHS were to do a biplane, something like those TOC bipes would be cool. They aren't super draggy like most bipes, and fly with great precision.

[flyinghamiltons]

Oh the Big badazzz...Velox... get in line brother.. cause it's going to be a killer machine!!!!!
Scott, no worries buddy, we understand where you're coming from.. now when is that Bipe going to be ready????? :) :)

[AllBread]

Personally, I'm all for designers focusing their efforts on designs that they feel they can do successfully. I don't mean successfully just from the marketing perspective, but successfully meaning that they and everyone will be happy with the end product (and that everyone will be able to afford the end product).

I expect a fair amount out of an ARF (mainly becuase all of mine are 3DHS planes) - I want it to be affordable, easy to build, and I really only want to put in a couple of trim flights to get it dialed in just right and then I want to leave it alone knowing that the plane's flight characteristics will never limit my ability to improve as a pilot.

In order for that to happen, a plane has to envisioned, designed, and then sent across the world to be re-designed into something that can be created witht the resources that the factory has on hand (all while trying to communicate across vast distances and in drastically different languages), sent back and forth two or three times until everyone is happy and then finally sent to me to glue in a stab, install some servos, and go fly. I can only imagine that some basic designs (extras, edges, yaks, etc.) are just inherrantly better at surviving such a complicated design and build process than other ones. Considering all that, I think that I'm getting a lot of bang for my buck with an ARF that's under $200 and flys great right out of the box.

Don't get me wrong, I think that these guys should continue to dream big and I'm sure that if/when they do come out with a biplane (or a laser, or that tie fighter that I've been waiting for) it will be the best on the market. In the meantime, I'm happy to fly the affordable, easy to build, great flying monoplanes that they are currently creating. Either way, I'm sure that no one could every accuse the 3DHS team of a lack of creativity in the design process - they've taken some of the most popular and long living aerobatic models (and some new ones like the 360 Slick) and totally re-designed them aerodynamically so that they litterally outperform any airplane that has come before them - r/c, fullscale, or otherwise.


Oh yeah, I forgot to tell Santa what I wanted: a 55" Velox, a 50cc Sukhoi, and, some day, a 40% SHP. Just make sure that the 40% comes in a box with wheels on it so that I don't have to buy a trailer. Thank you. I've been good.

[blucor basher]

Look, Don managed to use "badazz" and "brother" and "killer" in the same sentence!

Just kidding with you, Don. And, yes, it's definitely going to be badazz.

As for the bipe project, don't let Scott fool you too much, I have a stack of drawings here already for various planes with 2 wings. If he hated them that much, I doubt he'd be burying me in ideas....

:D

[3Deranged]

Maybe we can work together on my Bipe-X :) . I'm working on V2.0 now which I'm going with a full fuse instead of profile. I'm sure he doesn't need as much help as I do! I think Jeremy probably has the Vantage well in hand. I've also got a solution for the field assembly using 1 tool. Just needs to be a larger model for it to work, small plane would be a PITA for sure. Of course I'm using 2 cabanes/SFGs per wing so that just makes it harder to manufacture, but it flies correctly, so that's what I've got to go with. I would love to see more designs specically for 3D/precision that are not scale. And Scott's right-been done before but just not such a commercial success. As I stated, people love scale more than non-scale and you've got to cater to your customers to pay the bills. But if the plane can outfly other designs I would think that would be a statement for most serious pilots to understand that a manufacturer can make a profit and still put out a plane that's true to the company's mission/plan. And 3DHS seems committed to developing superior performing airframes and I look forward to their future developments. In the same token, I just can't stop tinkering around to come up with a superb flying 3D airframe :D
Maybe you could work with Jeremy Chinn and develope a larger built up full fuse version of his Fancy Foam Vantage.

[mexico]

Hey, if a biplane took down your pet monkey, you'd hate them too!


Scott - I think he's calling you a girl :confused:

[3Deranged]

That's all I'm trying to do is stimulate the old brain cells. There's got to be some back and forth to get the design juices flowing. I'm as quilty as the next guy for trying to go the scale(semi) route to a better flying machine. But just like the pattern world-sometimes you have to hit people over the head to make them realize that you have to think out of the box to come up with solutions. A bipe just took the World FAI this year-who would have quessed that? Next it'll be the 3D world. :D Sure would seem easier to build a plane from scratch that flies the way you want it too instead of trying to take out the bad tendencies of an already existing design. My 2 cents worth In fact, the reality that we're actually talking about it is a good sign :) Things generally happen pretty quickly once we start tossing idea grenades around.

Scott

[flyinghamiltons]

YO, hey now... did i tell you i'm excited about the new Projects?????????
It's such a breath of fresh air to see guys working together to bring to life another great flying machine! There's alot of talent a 3DHS, and it's great to see a commitment to the customer satisfaction policy, and not rest on previous airframe developement, yet push the window, and use "out-of-the-box" thinking!
Light,straight airframes, built with good wood, and sturdy enough to last for along time. What's different with this Picture??
EVERYTHING!!!
This is the Exciting news... just check the Customer Fun meter/satisfaction meter... that Speaks louder than any of these forums.
So my Vote, is a great flying Velox,. and and yes a Stoops Bipe! :)
Signed....
Another 3DHS Brother, flying a Killer Electric Badazzzzzz 87" EXTRA 300 SHP :)
NOW TAKE THAT!!!!!!.............:)





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[sukhoi26mx]

I've been good.

Not likely.

[AllBread]

Scott - I think he's calling you a girl :confused:

Almost. I was actually just speculating that perhaps his dislike of biplanes could be traced back to his childhood when he had a pet monkey that grew to enormous size and, despite the animal's gentleness and desire for acceptance, was perceived as a threat to humanity when the monkey scaled the Empire State Building in an act of love and was destroyed by a swarm of biplanes. I was being facetious, of course, but if this scenario in any way represents actual events in Mr. Stoops' life, then I offer my sincerest apologies to him and to his family.

Not likely.

Good is relative, I guess. Maybe I'll just say that I've been better.

[mexico]

I thought you mistook Scott for Faye Wray. He is a real purty feller.