Boo Terror!

[histarter]

Why hide under the bed in fear of the boogieman. The high-tension winch with its heavy-duty apparatus accomplishes the same purpose, to hold back any soaring 'monsters'.

Limiting the current winch power, and cutting landing points in half, just might cause others (like Lamon Payne to blow the dust off his Legionair 140) and beat out current state of art machines (and their pilots) flying modern TD competition. Whoa, we cannot have this situation, because it destroys all our educated knowledge (the heck with wisdom).

If this were to happen the high tech crowd would have to dirty their soft little hands and go to work perfecting their “perfection.” Or else, throw more money at the problem so someone else can solve the problems that a very talented individual can create. Yes, more economic growth for corporations!

[SmokinJoe101]

Where is this coming from :confused: and What is this :censored: about :eek:


sj

[Resurgam]

Limiting the current winch power, and cutting landing points in half, just might cause others (like Lamon Payne to blow the dust off his Legionair 140) and beat out current state of art machines (and their pilots) flying modern TD competition.

To quote Mr. Cheney: "So?" Launching with a piece of knotted knicker elastic would mean we'd all be flying 12 inch catapult gliders. I'm afraid nobody but you actually cares ...

[IBWALT]

Why hide under the bed in fear of the boogieman. The high-tension winch with its heavy-duty apparatus accomplishes the same purpose, to hold back any soaring 'monsters'.

Limiting the current winch power, and cutting landing points in half, just might cause others (like Lamon Payne to blow the dust off his Legionair 140) and beat out current state of art machines (and their pilots) flying modern TD competition. Whoa, we cannot have this situation, because it destroys all our educated knowledge (the heck with wisdom).

If this were to happen the high tech crowd would have to dirty their soft little hands and go to work perfecting their “perfection.” Or else, throw more money at the problem so someone else can solve the problems that a very talented individual can create. Yes, more economic growth for corporations!

Someone pass the popcorn.

Walt

[dephela]

I can't stop laughing!

[dharban]

Someone pass the popcorn.

Walt

Butter?

[bobby legue]

No butter, this is an old fashion theory, you will have to settle for lard.
Bob

[Mark Miller]

Someone pass the HAM flavored Kool Aid.

Mark

[UnkyJack]

Butter?
Considering where this thread seems to be heading, Vasoline may be more appropriate. :rolleyes:

Jack

[RBMartin]

First he promises a brief final presentation, which we see how that promise was fullfilled. Then he starts a whole other thread with the same BS. Ignore is starting to look alot better. Sometimes its not even worth the popcorn, becuase no matter how much butter you put on it is still way to stale.

Bruce M

[histarter]

To quote Mr. Cheney: "So?" Launching with a piece of knotted knicker elastic would mean we'd all be flying 12 inch catapult gliders. I'm afraid nobody but you actually cares ...
You are actually bragging about being as trendy as a lemming? Don't worry, I will step out of the way on your trot to the sea!

Bruce, I was trying to get out of the way, but you guys just wetted my appitite! Too bad you can't even follow your own advice!

[IBWALT]

Pass the popcorn.

[lincoln]

I'm going to stop at the top of the cliff and throw my slope glider.

[davidjensen]

Hey quit talking were watching the movie.

[schrederman]

Challenges were issued... you didn't answer. It's as if you're running for president. You never actually answer a challenge. There's no need for a poll. There's one voice crying out against the rest. The rest of us ARE R/C soaring. You are not. WE are flying events and challenging each other to improve our performance. You are typing out your manifesto, and making everyone here cringe, just as all the names you love to drop cringed when you walked onto the flying field, spouting the same ridiculous crap you're spouting now. Lamon is flying a moldie these days. He has no interest in going backward. I am flying a moldie, and still trying to improve my own designs by following the teachings of those much smarter than myself... yourself NOT included. As I have always known of you... you're still not a man of your word. No challenges will be answered by you. It will just be this vendictive, ridiculous, childish BS from now on. Be a man, AL. Admit that you really don't know squat and leave us alone. It's NOT 1978, and we've improved the hobby drastically in the 30 years that have passed since then... YOU HAVEN'T. All you've done is attempted to impress us with your supposed knowledge, and your command of the English language... guess what... WE AIN'T IMPRESSED! We're even less impressed with your lack of honor and decency in keeping this ridiculous crap going. Please face the facts. No one wants to do it your way... but you. So go and do it your way and leave us in peace. We won't bother you, nor ridicule you, nor even pay attention to you. You may call it whatever you like, we won't mind. Most of all, stop deluding yourself.

[Soar_dude]

Anyone got the juju bees I dropped mine when I was reading this whole thread. Histarter did you forget your Lithium? You can't stop evolution... Its not the ship that wins but the driver. On the other hand lets go back a little further and break out the hi-starts :D I still got mine.

Soar Dude

[Hostage-46]

Every day I wake, up, every day it's the same tripe, different thread?

For the 3rd time in as many days and threads come to think if it, come on out and fly off a highstart on any 3rd Sunday at Eastfield.

But you don't really want to fly now do you?

Is that Sonny and Cher I hear playing in the background?

[prodjx]

histarter, are you an electric flyer by some chance?

[Resurgam]

You are actually bragging about being as trendy as a lemming?
No, I just generally prefer flying a modern design, I find it more enjoyable. Just the same as I generally prefer driving a modern car with better handling, brakes, and acceleration than a 30-year old model. YMMV, and I have no problem with people preferring old-time floaters or whatever. However, I can't see that a preference for old technology is somehow morally superior.

On with the show! Bring on the gladiators! (Or should that be the clowns?)

[Larry Jolly]

I had some how missed this thread until a friend in Europe contacted me this morning. O.M.G., I had to read every page. All I can say is that they should have posted those Warnings on the Monokote sheets earlier. I knew that those fumes were dangerous back in 77 or was it 78 No I am pretty sure it was 81 Some times I can see all the colors... What were we talkng about? Oh yea which one of you bastards stold the Willoughby Wand!!! LJ

[MarkusN]

Speaking of fumes: Ban Monokote! Paper and dope is all you need. The buzz comes free with the building.

[IBWALT]

hmmmmm.

[dharban]

hmmmmm.

Walt,

You've obviously gone of the surfing "deep end". Where do you find this stuff?

LOL

Don

[ozmo01]

I really like the BS meter, thats funny.
guys don't be too tough on him we all will get old some day and I for one PLAN to live in my RC past when it happens. heh heh hackk cough Wheeeeze an harumph!

[schrederman]

This guy's been going at this since I've known him... back in the '70s. Old's got NOTHIN' to do with it... but... yeah, the BS meter WAS funny!!! :D

[Ralph Weaver]

histarter, are you an electric flyer by some chance?

No, he's too "pure". And... electrics are the future, not the past.

[aeajr]

No matter how you change the launch equipment and the task, the designers will develop new planes optimized to that task. Those planes will be composite more often than wood.


I prefer my popcorn without butter please. And I need twizzlers.

[Larry Jolly]

You guys shouldn't be so Hard on old AL,
In fairness to him he actually has owned and flown a molded Airplane and even launched it on awinch. It scared him so bad he went back to his histart and Balsa Buggies. For those of you confused about the HAM club the HA stands for Hot Air kind of says it all.. Throw the dirt on this thread..Move on. LJ

[Ercoupe Ed]

Someone pass the popcorn.

Walt

IBWALT

I'm ROTFL !!!
Spilled my coffee all over my workbench as I fell, ruined a set of vintage glider plans! :eek:
"YOU'RE IN A HEAP OF TROUBLE BOY!!!" LOL! :D

Ed

[histarter]

You guys shouldn't be so Hard on old AL,
In fairness to him he actually has owned and flown a molded Airplane and even launched it on awinch. It scared him so bad he went back to his histart and Balsa Buggies. For those of you confused about the HAM club the HA stands for Hot Air kind of says it all.. Throw the dirt on this thread..Move on. LJ
Tell the whole story Larry. After 3 years of messing around with moldies, I found a distinct problem with them.
I am a follower of Zen Philosophy and believe in logic. A black belt is a teacher of the art, and that was a compelling argument to give back my knowledge to the next generation. A moldy is an expensive piece of crap (including my Ellipse that that I loved, that was tuned for the upper air) off a short high start; and is a poor instructional tool for training new pilots without a winch.
Every time someone tries to repay society for the good they received, some imperialistic cult will attempt to destroy the effort. I made the front page in the Dallas Morning News with my Shuttle 120 flying the HAM system at UTD, and my own club (DLSF) was PO’ed because task time demonstrated was only 5 minutes!? :rolleyes:

My students varied from junvinile delinquents, airline pilots, Mormon quire boys, professional wrestlers, and father and son teams of which all were rejected by the big clubs because these newbies wanted simple soaring activities, and not a political environment. [One helicopter pilot spent 2 years and $2000 (crash and bash) attempting to learn with the SLNT. 3 months after flying GL’s my way, he took a second in RES – his first AMA contest. And is still flying the sailplane.]

And this is why I am saying you guys are committing Hari Kari! :o

Lobotomy went well, but is a failure. I still cannot think like you guys! :eek:

[Curare]

My students varied from junvinile delinquents, airline pilots, Mormon quire boys, professional wrestlers, and father and son teams of which all were rejected by the big clubs because these newbies wanted simple soaring activities, and not a political environment.



Is rejection the right word for this? Or is walking away more appropraite?

Once again I really fail to see your point.

GL's, Paragons, Sailaires and everything else of that ilk are good training ships, and no one's saying that they're not. But you seem to think that their existence negates the need for any form of continuation for evolution of model aircraft.

If you're after good cheap soaring, I totally agree with you, but poo-pooing everyone that wants to have something a bit more competitive, (and yes, suprise, suprise, competition is competitive) is narrow minded and misguided at best. How can you possibly say that we're the ones who don't have our heads screwed on correctly?

Model aircraft have always been the arenas for new innovation, and trying things out. And before you say it's been squeesed out, that's total crap too. Those of us who design are still looking for new and better ways to do things. Be it out of balsa or composites.




oh and for the record, it's Hara-kiri.

[Hostage-46]

My students varied from junvinile delinquents, airline pilots, Mormon quire boys, professional wrestlers, and father and son teams of which all were rejected by the big clubs because these newbies wanted simple soaring activities, and not a political environment. [One helicopter pilot spent 2 years and $2000 (crash and bash) attempting to learn with the SLNT. 3 months after flying GL’s my way, he took a second in RES – his first AMA contest. And is still flying the sailplane.]

:

Hey Al, I've had enough of your implications that SLNT does not welcome and train new pilots.

As an officer of the club I will not stand for it.

We all know you haven't been to the field or flow in years, and you do not have a clue as to what's happening in the local soaring scene.

In the last three years I have personally trained and mentored three new sailplane pilots, all are now club members, two out of three are flying in contests. One was a newbie with no stick time, one was an accomplished helo driver, and one a parkflyer. My 13 year old son soloed last week, he'll soon be the youngest member of the club.

Ramble all you want, but don't denigrate my club AL, The Soaring League of North Texas, welcomes pilots and spectators of all kinds.

One more time AL. SLNT FLYS A HIGHSTART FORMAT EVERY 3RD SUNDAY AT EASTFIELD COLLEGE.

So put 'er up or shut up Al.

[StevenatorLTFO]

I was gonna type something here, but the black helicopters circling my neighborhood are distracting me. Gotta go, I think they found me....... arrrrrrrg

[tonyestep]

"We all know you haven't been to the field or flown in years..."
==============
In fact, if Larry Jolly hadn't said that he saw Al scare himself by launching once on a winch, I'd have bet that he'd never been to a flying field in his life. The statements he makes about how this or that plane flies are so preposterous (one example: a Gentle Lady in the hands of an average flyer would beat the world champ with a Supra), that it seems as if they could only be coming from someone who has never seen a model airplane up close.

He has no actual modeling knowledge, but for some unknown reason he wants to post on these forums, so instead of information he delivers wild assertions like the slanderous nonsense about SLNT. Why? Nobody knows. And why does he always attract a group of suckers willing to jump in to mud-wrestle with him? Again, nobody knows.

[Curare]

beat's working :D

But, I grow weary of this crap.


*changes channel*

[histarter]

Hey Al, I've had enough of your implications that SLNT does not welcome and train new pilots. Believe me it doesn't, unless they fall into the clubs catagory of usable. I have seen too many rejected because they just wanted to fly Olys, GLs, Spirits 2M or 100s for the fun of it.

As an officer of the club I will not stand for it.
Wait until you have something you wish to stand up for. You will then see how fast the "club" will kick your tush!
We all know you haven't been to the field or flow in years, and you do not have a clue as to what's happening in the local soaring scene.

In the last three years I have personally trained and mentored three new sailplane pilots, all are now club members, two out of three are flying in contests. One was a newbie with no stick time, one was an accomplished helo driver, and one a parkflyer. My 13 year old son soloed last week, he'll soon be the youngest member of the club.

Ramble all you want, but don't denigrate my club AL, The Soaring League of North Texas, welcomes pilots and spectators of all kinds.

One more time AL. SLNT FLYS A HIGHSTART FORMAT EVERY 3RD SUNDAY AT EASTFIELD COLLEGE.

So put 'er up or shut up Al.
I am denigrating it when it was my club because the club never supported the effort my self, Jim Simpson, and Don Chancey attempted, if it was not to the corporate benefit of the senior group; it was chastised! The SLNT (formerly the DLSF) was viewed as the most snobbish organization by most of the pilots in the DFW area (power flyers primarily that soared for the fun of it). I don’t think you have turned that around to date. Look outside the box Dan.

PS The arguments are now beyond high starts, but into prejudice and censorship by rule manipulations.

[Hostage-46]

I don’t think you have turned that around to date. Look outside the box Dan.

That observation would be based on what?

No wait, it doesn't matter, .. I've been sucked into the vortex of ineptitude, shame on me... stepping away from the wreckage....

out...

[histarter]

"We all know you haven't been to the field or flown in years..."
==============
In fact, if Larry Jolly hadn't said that he saw Al scare himself by launching once on a winch, I'd have bet that he'd never been to a flying field in his life. The statements he makes about how this or that plane flies are so preposterous (one example: a Gentle Lady in the hands of an average flyer would beat the world champ with a Supra), that it seems as if they could only be coming from someone who has never seen a model airplane up close.

He has no actual modeling knowledge, but for some unknown reason he wants to post on these forums, so instead of information he delivers wild assertions like the slanderous nonsense about SLNT. Why? Nobody knows. And why does he always attract a group of suckers willing to jump in to mud-wrestle with him? Again, nobody knows.
Tony, you degrade a project - but never tried it. You evaluate by emotion without sticking to rules. You are unable to take a Pike Peak (Perfect) and MAX out a HAM task, other than bragging you can. The proof is in the pudding. I still don't believe a Supra can beat GL or Paragon under HAM rules, because the evaluation system records probability of maxing out. This is a mathimation situation and not your type of emotional folly.

[tonyestep]

Al, I have said repeatedly I won't help you correct your math. Keep trying. Lincoln has worked it out for you and so have I. When you get the same answers we showed you, you'll have it right. Get someone to help you with your math. Get a plane and get someone to help you learn to fly it. Learn about sailplanes. Then come back and post to these forums and we'll help you learn more.

[Curare]

You know the defenition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again, and expecting a different result.

I'm starting to wonder whether those of us even arguing aren't actually mental..

[Resurgam]

I'm not mental, I just have an unusual sense of humor.

[aeajr]

OK, I'll bite. What are HAM rules?

[histarter]

Al, I have said repeatedly I won't help you correct your math. Keep trying. Lincoln has worked it out for you and so have I. When you get the same answers we showed you, you'll have it right. Get someone to help you with your math. Get a plane and get someone to help you learn to fly it. Learn about sailplanes. Then come back and post to these forums and we'll help you learn more.
I used both "your math", and my math (approved by Denis Oglesby), and come out wirh the same results because the philosophy is identical! I have no idea what you are babbling about?

The biggest difference is you use idealistic data to initiate the program, and I use practical Bar X data (average).

[aeajr]

Does anyone know what histarter is talking about? I am clueless. As this thread progresses his posts make less and less sense to me.

[davey1]

Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before... He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way.

Kurt Vonnegut

[histarter]

OK, I'll bite. What are HAM rules?

HAM 2004 Postal Contest
[To run from the end of May to the beginning of October]

Outline:

This is a high start only contest where the only two approved launching systems are either a Ray Hayes highstart of 40 feet rubber, and 200 feet line, or a typical HAM highstart of 50 feet rubber and 175 feet of line. Stretch cannot exceed 3X rubber length, or generate more than 10 lbs tension. There are no pop-offs in this contest; every launch must be flown. Every time a man and machine unite (as a team) for a launch, it is a serial data entry of a flight. All flights are recorded sequentially, meaning no intervening sport flying the machine until all the data string started, is completed. One can fly 3 HAM flights, then pick up a different model and fly it to check out conditions, however the next flight with the ‘registered’ HAM machine is to be recorded! Along with the rest of the sequential flights until task is completed. There is a minimum value of flying time for a ‘lower control limit’ (LCL) of 2 minutes - which we are trying to improve upon. No data will be entered below that value i.e. a 20 second pop off equals a two-minute flight. There is a controlled soaring factor that will not be exceeded by having a limit of an upper control limit (ULC) of 5 minutes (a Max). The pilot selects the air that will be most advantageous to him and launches accordingly. One has 4 months to complete the task that extends from June, July, August, and September so pilot and machine can make a long data string, and then select the best 12 sequential flights from this string.

Entry Fee:

$1.00 for each pilot and sailplane team. One sailplane can have multiple pilots, and/or one pilot can have multiple sailplanes.

Rules:

Data is to be entered in seconds, with a tolerance of ¼ minute, so a regular watch, or transmitter timer, can be used to help individuals time themselves. Minutes will be entered in seconds for a point grading system. This event is on the honor system, however data will be evaluated by comparing strings to the Bell Curve - to support veracity. This is a flat land event so slopes and ‘house’ thermals are to be avoided, with a pilot principally flying over the flying field; and not over nearby roads, parked cars, apartment buildings, or “hot” spectators that have grouped up.

Size of sailplane will be controlled by the tension capabilities of the recommended highstarts. Obviously a Sailaire could be highstart launched with wind a blowing; however the climb out capability will suffer because of the ballast needed to land it in the same field as launched. It is up to the pilot to select the conditions that would be beneficial for his task, and a Sailaire would be an interesting approach, but I kind of doubt that it would be the best. In fact I wish to see a flying wing doing a HAM task, because I believe they may just be the best design to accomplish it because of their short coupling, rapid response to control, and surprising efficiency.

Landings:

Spot landing scores will be used as a tiebreaker. When coming home one should put down a marker, and land the sailplane as close as possible to it. If nose is less than 5 paces from the mark record 15 points for the landing, but don’t mix it into flight score.

Awards:

The top 3 places will receive documentation for their effort, and each will receive a Silver one-ounce coin of Constitutionally recognized money - minted as trade silver (proving our Government truly understands hard money). If there is a winning design that unseats King OLY, then that machine will be the Crowned model to beat next year.

[histarter]

Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before... He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way.

Kurt Vonnegut
Kurt is right on the money. [who are non-educated without having come by ignorance the hard way]. Is what his message is. It describes a cult's mentality.

[rdwoebke]

I was gonna type something here, but the black helicopters circling my neighborhood are distracting me. Gotta go, I think they found me....... arrrrrrrg

Well played sir!

Does anyone know what histarter is talking about?

:)

How can this possibly be the first time you have come accross Al here on 'Groups? Context clues, my friend.

:)


Kurt Vonnegut

Dave! Brilliant! I'm a huge Vonnegut fan.

And... The number one most impressive thing in this thread....

My students varied from junvinile delinquents, airline pilots, Mormon quire boys, professional wrestlers,

How did everyone miss THAT!?!?! I have this fantastic image in my head right now of "George The Anaimal Steele" launching an Oly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Steele

Wow!

Ryan

[IBWALT]

**NEWS FLASH**


***This just fresh off of the AP / UPI News Wire.***

"HAM is still dead."

This reporter tried to get a comment from highstarter but he was speachless.

[aeajr]

Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before... He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way.

Kurt Vonnegut

Oh! Now I understand. :o

[aeajr]

Reading this thread reminds me of a Vonnegut novel. Catch 22 would be a good comparison. :D

[histarter]

Well played sir!

And... The number one most impressive thing in this thread....

How did everyone miss THAT!?!?! I have this fantastic image in my head right now of "George The Anaimal Steele" launching an Oly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Steele

Wow!

Ryan
Try Fritz Von Erich. He loaned me 80 acres next to Kerry's home, in trade for time on my T'craft. When he launched my Legionair for FAI F3B practice, it would slow down and climb. :D

[rdwoebke]

Ed,

Glad to read you are a Vonnegut fan. I have not read Catch 22, but hope to some day. I have read Player Piano, Cats Cradle, Hocus Pocus, Timequake, and Slapstick.

Al,

Wow, that is a pretty tragic story about your friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Von_Erich

He was a bit before my time, but I think it was cool that his final match was against King Kong Bundy. That guy was in my era.

With all the Vonnegut talk and to a lesser degree the pro wrestling talk, this thread needs more than 1 star...

Ryan

[StevenatorLTFO]

Wait, Vonnegut did Catch 22? Brilliant, that was a thought provoking movie. Never read the book, I probably should eh?

Gotta go, the taxi cab is here to take me to the store, for tin foil and coat hangers.

Oh, can anybody tell me anything about the Illuminati?

.... And just to keep this thread sort of on track, I just snuck out of work and went and got some brass cut down for ballast slugs for my Topaz. The weather report for the weekend is pretty good, and Ima goin flyn.

((the Topaz would kick the Olys butt at HAM by the way.))

Steve

[rdwoebke]

Wait, Vonnegut did Catch 22?

Actually Steve, I don't think so. I'm not sure which catch 22 you are talking about, but of the several of Kurt's books that have became movies I don't think Catch 22 was one of them.

Ryan

[StevenatorLTFO]

My bad. I just hit Wiki, the movie I am referring to, was adapted from a novel by Joseph Heller.

[rrdiaz30]

<<Levity switch ON>>

Yossarian: Ok, let me see if I've got this straight. In order to not fly HAM, I've got to be crazy. And I must be crazy to keep flying HAM. But if I ask to fly HAM, that means I'm not crazy anymore, and I have to keep flying HAM.

Dr. 'Doc' Daneeka: You got it, that's Catch-22.

Yossarian: Whoo... That's some catch, that Catch-22.

Dr. 'Doc' Daneeka: It's the best there is.

<<Levity switch OFF>>

Rick :-)

[histarter]

Wait, Vonnegut did Catch 22? Brilliant, that was a thought provoking movie. Never read the book, I probably should eh?

Gotta go, the taxi cab is here to take me to the store, for tin foil and coat hangers.

Oh, can anybody tell me anything about the Illuminati?

.... And just to keep this thread sort of on track, I just snuck out of work and went and got some brass cut down for ballast slugs for my Topaz. The weather report for the weekend is pretty good, and Ima goin flyn.

((the Topaz would kick the Olys butt at HAM by the way.))

Steve
Try it Steve. If you can average 3.55 minutes for 12 launches (That is 3 minutes and 33 seconds - for zero tollorance finatics). you have an Oly II beaten. Remember - no throw away flights allowed!

[SmokinJoe101]

Try it Steve. If you can average 3.55 minutes for 12 launches (That is 3 minutes and 33 seconds - for zero tollorance finatics). you have an Oly II beaten. Remember - no throw away flights allowed!

If your not in the same air it does not matter !!

Why did I even post :eek:

sj

[StevenatorLTFO]

Lord help me, I think I'm about to get sucked in here.....

Do I get to pick the day?

Steve

[rdwoebke]

If your not in the same air it does not matter !!


Smoker,

I don't know, I think there is value to postal contests. It allows folks over the internets to compare their times and share some flying experiences.


Do I get to pick the day?


Sure. And you don't have to do all 12 in one day, just as long as all 12 are done in subsequent flights of your plane. If you start a thread, I'll try to join in the fun too.

Ryan

[histarter]

Lord help me, I think I'm about to get sucked in here.....

Do I get to pick the day?

Steve
Absolutely! It is a statistically graded event. Your ability to choose air, your ability to guide aircraft into lifting areas, your ability to work lift, and the sequential flights can be stretched out for 2 weeks, meaning you can continuously fly the task for 20 flights (example) and pick the best serial data string. Being in the same air is mathimatically integrated out of concern between competitors by the large serial sample size. Believe me, that if you are brave enough to try the system, you will have learned a heck of a lot about soaring, that is simply overlooked by lofty pilots.

[StevenatorLTFO]

Ok, in calculating this average, is there a max flight time??

[rdwoebke]

Ok, in calculating this average, is there a max flight time??

Max is 5 minutes, but if you go over, you don't get penalized. A 5:03 is the same as a 5:00.

This is lack of "precision" aspect of the task is one reason (amongst a few others), I think that this HAM format would lend well to small contests for beginners working on LSF 2.

Highstarter claims that nobody has ever done 12 consecutive 5 minute flights.



Ryan

[StevenatorLTFO]

Nevermind that last post, reading the entire thread can be your bestest bud.

Tell ya what Ryan, I'm in, with a couple of Caveats. The Topaz is going to be one of my primary airplanes for some contest work, so I will have to just simply exclude the days I'm pinging it off of the monster SOAR club members winches. I have to do a little set up work still, I just recently received this bird, it has 6 flights on it to date.

I'll have to cut down a highstart to be suitable (it will be made from a Dynaflight high start) This will all have to happen after the 15th of April.

I'll be happy to start a thread at that point.

Steve

[rdwoebke]

I'll have to cut down a highstart to be suitable (it will be made from a Dynaflight high start) This will all have to happen after the 15th of April.


Don't cut the rubber. Use the Ed Anderson method to shorten it, if you have to. He does a loop and then a tie around the stake to get it shortened, if he wants to shorten the length of the rubber.

I have used this method, and it works great.

Ryan

[histarter]

Don't cut the rubber. Use the Ed Anderson method to shorten it, if you have to. He does a loop and then a tie around the stake to get it shortened, if he wants to shorten the length of the rubber.

I have used this method, and it works great.

Ryan
So have I

[histarter]

Max is 5 minutes, but if you go over, you don't get penalized. A 5:03 is the same as a 5:00.

This is lack of "precision" aspect of the task is one reason (amongst a few others), I think that this HAM format would lend well to small contests for beginners working on LSF 2.

Highstarter claims that nobody has ever done 12 consecutive 5 minute flights.



Ryan
The attitude here is that the modeler becomes a hunter. He can use thermal sniffers, 20 ft streamers, kites, nudity, whatever is usefull to launch and jump into lift for a 5 minute task. The short time constant reduces the luck factor.
Obviously a pilot is already skilled in his universe with the sailplane he selected, most likely in the easier upper air. Reduced to using HL theology at a larger scale becomes the interesting part of my paradigm, and working with the smaller more unrully (and unforgiving lift) is what the grading is on.
This same paradigm exists anywhere on the planet so scoring is based upon how well you know your own flying field that you trimmed for, and have flown many flights over.

Note: In a private postal match between myself and David Cook of FW, my Shuttle turned in a solid concecutive 9 maxes. The best unbroken string to date (after about 3000 attempts).

Note: David insisted on a 6 min max at the time. Folks just will not believe the dificulty of so simple sounding a task!

[Gldrpilot]

what size? Are there plans? Kits? What other planes have you designed to match this 'low air' tasks?

Are they 'available' to newbies??

[Phil Barnes]

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8941048#post8941048

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8944381#post8944381

[Barnsey]

***This just fresh off of the AP / UPI News Wire.***LOL! Walt, you must stop this stuff. Breakfast with Cherub has been temporarily suspended in favour of a trip to the planet HA system to catch the latest humour and grammatical novelties :D.

John

[OVSS Boss]

Steve and Ryan,
Here is an idea. Are you all coming to STL this summer in June? If so, after HLG, lets do this and see what happens during the practice time Friday PM. I want to fly my Supra, you all whatever. We can talk to get the HS all the same and go. If Al won't come up, lets just do it ourselves and see what transpires. He keeps saying it is an individual task, so we can just start launching and doing out thing.

Marc

[tonyestep]

If you guys do it, count me in. (This time let's make sure the hi-starts are equal.) Marc, my Supra is lighter than yours!

[OVSS Boss]

Probably is Tony, do not think it really matters between 61 vs. 65, who knows. About got the fuses done, wing is really pretty much done other laying out servos.

And for sure you are in.

Marc

[liukku]

Steve and Ryan,
Here is an idea. Are you all coming to STL this summer in June? If so, after HLG, lets do this and see what happens during the practice time Friday PM. I want to fly my Supra, you all whatever. We can talk to get the HS all the same and go. If Al won't come up, lets just do it ourselves and see what transpires. He keeps saying it is an individual task, so we can just start launching and doing out thing.

Marc


Hello
Good initiative I suppose? It sure there will be a lot of quite exciting launch from these 10 lbs tension rubbers. :)
Good luck to all of you; and don´t forget to report the outcome.

/Ville :)

[tonyestep]

"...do not think it really matters between 61 vs. 65..."
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Naw, but mine weighs 53! 52.7, in fact.

Anyway, even that probably doesn't matter. I was just bragging becuz mine's so light -- it's not Vladimir, it's Glauco/Tony. Maybe if there's no wind it will give me a couple of extra seconds off a hi-start, maybe not. But it is cool to have such a light plane. If I could throw, I could hand launch it into thermals all the time like JW does with his. Plus if it's not windy, the light weight helps around the LZ.

[RBMartin]

Why limit the tension of the rubber? Limit the length and limit the zoom to no more than X% of the launch. That way all kinds of airplanes can play and not just the light ones.

Basically set a height requirment and say use what ever tension you need to launch the plane to that height. That way a variety of planes can participate. You are still judging low level performance as long as you do not cataput to an extreame alltitude. This has been my one of my contentions with high starter all along.

Bruce M

[tonyestep]

AFAIK, the intent is just to use hi-starts of equal length, no other rule (unless Marc has something different in mind). I assume that each guy will pull back as far as he wants to or is able to. From that point, launch height is a matter of pilot skill, the match of the plane to the hi-start and wind, and luck -- no guarantee that everybody is entitled to equal launch height. It's just another form of hi-start F3J. In the 1.5M F3J contest that Ed Franz is running in Dayton, he does propose to limit the pull. Since everybody will be flying a similar HL plane, and the center of the wings isn't reinforced to take a towline pull, that requirement will serve to prevent carnage. In its simplest form a fun-fly of this sort could be entertaining: MOM, everybody pulls, somebody sez go, and you go.

[histarter]

AFAIK, the intent is just to use hi-starts of equal length, no other rule (unless Marc has something different in mind). I assume that each guy will pull back as far as he wants to or is able to. Limit is 10 lbs max or 3X whichever comes first. From that point, launch height is a matter of pilot skill, the match of the plane to the hi-start and wind, and luck -- no guarantee that everybody is entitled to equal launch height. It's just another form of hi-start F3J. In the 1.5M F3J contest that Ed Franz is running in Dayton, he does propose to limit the pull. Since everybody will be flying a similar HL plane, and the center of the wings isn't reinforced to take a towline pull, that requirement will serve to prevent carnage. In its simplest form a fun-fly of this sort could be entertaining: MOM, everybody pulls, somebody sez go, and you go.
Compared to 300 feet for some and 700 feet for moldys; plus or minus 30 feet is uniform (relativity). HAM is to evaluate your skill in handling your everyday lift by statistical QC and has no combative attachment to other pilots.

[StevenatorLTFO]

Steve and Ryan,
Here is an idea. Are you all coming to STL this summer in June? If so, after HLG, lets do this and see what happens during the practice time Friday PM. I want to fly my Supra, you all whatever. We can talk to get the HS all the same and go. If Al won't come up, lets just do it ourselves and see what transpires. He keeps saying it is an individual task, so we can just start launching and doing out thing.

Marc


I'm planning on making the OVSS rounds this year, with a little luck :D

Steve

[histarter]

I'm planning on making the OVSS rounds this year, with a little luck :D

Steve
I do have my fingers crossed for June. I survived the first surgery, and in a couple of weeks will be going for the second.
I kinda upset the surgeon with "I happen to have a free (capon) coupon for a vasectomy." Now I am worried - he didn't crack a smile! This time I will have my mouth taped up!