Ready Built Senior Telemaster

[Flyboone]

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HLA007 Ready Built Senior Telemaster, Yellow
HLA007RW Ready Built Senior Telemaster, Red & White

94" wingspan, 64" long, 1330 sq. in. wing area (Stab area 320 sq. in.), 10 lbs. 8 oz. flying weight (41 series AXI motor, 16 NiMH cells). This is EXACTLY the same flying weight that it is when equipped with a glow engine. It is READY BUILT and COVERED in yellow iron-on covering. Just install your power system and radio equipment and FLY IT! Ready Built Senior Telemaster is accurately constructed of balsa and hardwoods, with a rib and spar wing. The quality is tops. Its bright yellow covering is easily seen at 500 yards! How does it fly? It’s a Telemaster - and nothing flies like a Telemaster! It will land backwards in a 15 mph wind. Its takeoffs are majestic like an airliner. For aerobatics or carrying heavy loads we’ve included wing struts and secure mounting points that will help the huge wing carry heavier positive G loads. Ready Built Senior Telemaster has a two-piece wing. You can haul it in a small car. Almost all hardware is included in the airplane's box: Wheels, steerable tail wheel, hinges, pushrods, control horns, and more. For 4 channels: Aileron (2 servos), Elevator, Rudder and Throttle. If you are building the Senior Telemaster for glow power you will need a .61 engine (TTR9160) and the associated parts found in our Flying Field Pack for .60 Engines (FFI600AP). Photos from a customer.

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[krosypal]

March madness 20% discount didn't work on your site.

[Flyboone]

It's working fine on our end. What part about it didn't work for you?

Jason Cole

March madness 20% discount didn't work on your site.

[krosypal]

It's working fine on our end. What part about it didn't work for you?

Jason Cole

Qty. Item Description Price Ea. Total
HLA007 - READY-BUILT SENIOR TELEMASTER $209.00 $209.00
MARCH20 - 20% OFF ANY ONE ITEM $0.00 $0.00

Subtotal $ 209.00

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This part, shows 20% = 0.00, just before you click checkout.

[Flyboone]

That looks right. The details of the sale say the discount is applied manually once your order gets to us. When you get your shipping confirmation email, it will show the applied discount. We've done it this for years. If your not comfortable with that, send me a private message with your contact information and we'll do it over the phone. Hope that helps.

Thanks,
Jason Cole

[krosypal]

That looks right. The details of the sale say the discount is applied manually once your order gets to us. When you get your shipping confirmation email, it will show the applied discount. We've done it this for years. If your not comfortable with that, send me a private message with your contact information and we'll do it over the phone. Hope that helps.

Thanks,
Jason Cole
Thank you, didn't realize it would be caught...next question, what is the kit cost for using .61 glow engine? What is the fuselage made of, not plywood, but all balsa similar to what the kit version is like?

Thanks. These fly fantastic with the dihedral taken out. I had a Senior kit size Telemaster, loved it for years, someone did a battery check and knocked it out of the sky, then quickly fled the scene.

[Flyboone]

No Problem. The fuse is made with balsa and ply.

Jason Cole

[Broken Wings]

Can you buy a wing kit for the Senior Telemaster ARF?

[Kiwi_Redlands]

Guys,
hi, interested to know if anyone has tested to see what the all up weight that the Senior Telemaster can carry? Is there much of an area that I could use for cargo? I am thinking no more than 2.5 lbs. Small onboard computer, temp / gps sensors.
Also, with such a large wing area, has anyone tried applying solar film to the wing?

Looks like a great platform, nice and slow / stable.

Thanks,
Edan

[n0kjf]

The Senior Telemaster is a Truck.... A BIG Truck!! :D

I have 3 Telemasters, one ARF that I bought used, one ARF that was assembled as an Endurance Flyer, and one kit that is in the works also as an endurance flyer.

The ARF Telly weighed in at 13.5 lbs with a BCMA 26cc gas engine. Total AUW was 24+ lbs. I think with appropriate power you can safely carry 2.5 lbs.

Our endurance event was held on August 2, 2008 and of course the Telly easily won the day.

We will hold the contest again next year so if you are interested, contact me.

[Kiwi_Redlands]

that was a fast response, thanks for the info. They certainly look like they can take it, a truck, yup would have to agree.
An endurance event, sounds awesome, but a little far from here otherwise I would definately come and have a look.

Again, many thanks for the reply. Happy flying,
Edan

[Windfree]

I had an original senior telemaster about 20 years ago I bought from a friend. It had a K&B .61 with a 14 x 4 prop and would easily haul 6 lbs with no problem and it weighed in at 14.5 pounds empty.

[Kiwi_Redlands]

thats impressive. thanks for posting, telemaster is definately the way to go.

Cheers,
Edan

[dumorian]

Can you buy a wing kit for the Senior Telemaster ARF?
I lost my STM due to a radio glitch Sunday. :(

So, I'm doing a fresh consideration of which plane to purchase in this size. One of the things I don't see is any replacement parts. If I bust a wing, do I really need to buy another whole kit or rebuild the parts? Yeah, the plane is not high tech, but I really don't want to have to decide between buying a whole plane or spending the time to fix or build a new replacement if I crack my fuse... or elevator stab... or one wing.... Seems like the famous Telemaster lineup should have the backing of individual parts. Heck, even the cheapy little RTF planes have this stuff.

So, do I buy my third STM and just lump it, or do I go to a different plane which has parts available?

[Flyboone]

Hi dumorian,
We do have spare parts. We just don't stock them on the shelf like normal products. You can call up or email and request the part you need. Fuses or wings are usually 55% entire airplanes price. We can quote you on other parts as needed.

Thanks,
Jason Cole
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[dumorian]

I 'had' a highly modified STM. :(
This included a three trigger bomb bay, tow release, flaps, lights relocated tail servos and lots of little stuff. It took 10 channels on a receiver to operate everything! :)

So, meanwhile, I'm trying to decide between doing the ARF and hacking it up to do the mods or just buying the kit and doing the mods as I go. I'm thinking I read somewhere a long time ago that the two are very different.... inside at least.

Do you have a take on which one of these is the strongest structurally... assuming a builder does a good job with the kit? It looks like the kit uses a lot less sheeting but more spars and such.

I'm will also very likely increase the rudder size by about double on this build and am thinking about increasing flaps to extend inward to the fuse. I had just cut the aileron at about one third from the end and used that for flaps in combination with full span aileron mix. It flew really well... but it still could have stood more flap.

Have you heard of anyone adding spoilers? Yeah... unless there's a headwind, the thing just doesn't want to land. :) Maybe a tail parachute would be a good idea!!! LOL! Or Gila-monster brakes... Something that pops out from both sides and the top!

[rallison]

A while back--anybody know when?--HL offered the Senior Telemaster ARF in an 'uncovered' version. My dad picked one up and had it in storage 'til he turned it over to me last year. I started on it a couple of weeks back; I've just finished covering it and am almost done outfitting it for EP. I'm hoping to maiden this weekend or next.

Given the particulars of the site from which I'm most likely to fly--plenty long enough on the ground, but tall trees on the approach--I've set it her up with spoilerons. If anyone else has done so, I'd be in your debt if you'd fill me in on your preferred settings.

For interested parties, here's the set-up:
--Turnigy AerodriveXp SK Series 50-55 580Kv
--Turnigy Plush 80A UBEC ESC
--Zippy 5000mAh 4S1P 20-30C LiPo
--APC E-prop, 13x5 or 14x7

Wish me luck. Please.

[dumorian]

A while back--anybody know when?--HL offered the Senior Telemaster ARF in an 'uncovered' version. My dad picked one up and had it in storage 'til he turned it over to me last year. I started on it a couple of weeks back; I've just finished covering it and am almost done outfitting it for EP. I'm hoping to maiden this weekend or next.

Given the particulars of the site from which I'm most likely to fly--plenty long enough on the ground, but tall trees on the approach--I've set it her up with spoilerons. If anyone else has done so, I'd be in your debt if you'd fill me in on your preferred settings.

For interested parties, here's the set-up:
--Turnigy AerodriveXp SK Series 50-55 580Kv
--Turnigy Plush 80A UBEC ESC
--Zippy 5000mAh 4S1P 20-30C LiPo
--APC E-prop, 13x5 or 14x7

Wish me luck. Please.
It LOVES to float! and float and float and float....

I'm not the best pilot by any means, but I normally was cutting power on the way out, making my turn, losing altitude and trying to get it down to like 15 feet quickly... but on the way down it picks up speed. We tried flaperons and that seemed to make it worse. Spoilerons seemed to do better. I think I had it set up for about 1/8" or so up.

What I did from there was to cut my ailerons at about 1/3 of their length, creating flaps on the fuse end. These performed much much better. I then set up my radio for full span ailerons. This led to no real changes in handling in the air, more stable takeoffs and shorter landings.

I have used the elevator... quick up/down motion to bleed off speed. Crabbing in can create more drag to bleed off speed. I was about to double the size of the rudder just before a radio glitch left it in the top of a tree.... I do feel like it needs a lot more rudder. It will easily turn on takeoff or landings if there is any cross wind. Full rudder wasn't enough for me to keep it from turning out as it was slowing to a stop. A bit of power on landings does help this a bit.

I flew a 1/4 scale Cub the other day. My first adventure into another big slow flyer. I don't really understand the differences, but darned the thing landed easy and in my one takeoff, launched easily. I've watched this plane do a huge number of takeoffs and landings now... touch and goes... one wheel landings... one wheel roll along the runway and take back off... landings on a very short 16' wide runway (not easy with a 10 ft' wingspan and 3' tall weeds on both edges of the runway!)... and hands off the radio takeoffs. I think the STM might 'fly' a little better... but on the ground the Cub sure is nice.

To give you an idea, our runway is 450 feet long. We have an approach which is perhaps 1500 feet from one end and 750 from the other. Beyond that we have trees. Takeoffs and landings into the wind are very important for this plane. If you have a good 5mph consistent headwind, landings become easy.

I was running an Axi 4130 with a 6s2p 8000mah lipo and a 17x10 prop.

I do wish HL would supply a nice 80" - 100" plane like the STM which would run on this power system. It seems that most in this size need the 5300 series of motors and those power systems spike drastically in price.

[rallison]

Dumorian, thanks for the info!

I put her up for the first time this morning. She flew great--needed but a couple of ticks of down elevator to trim level at cruise until I adjusted the wing mount to eliminate some slight positive angle of incidence, then no trim needed at all to fly S&L hands-off at about 1/2 throttle. None of the electronics got more than slightly warm on the 14x7 prop even after some looping and rolling. S L O W rolling.

I did deploy the spoilers (set to 3/4") once on approach, and they did an effective job of bringing her down a bit more quickly in a level attitude--that will be a big help when I'm flying at a smaller field. I'm very happy with her.

Highly recommended!

[dumorian]

Dumorian, thanks for the info!

I put her up for the first time this morning. She flew great--needed but a couple of ticks of down elevator to trim level at cruise until I adjusted the wing mount to eliminate some slight positive angle of incidence, then no trim needed at all to fly S&L hands-off at about 1/2 throttle. None of the electronics got more than slightly warm on the 14x7 prop even after some looping and rolling. S L O W rolling.

I did deploy the spoilers (set to 3/4") once on approach, and they did an effective job of bringing her down a bit more quickly in a level attitude--that will be a big help when I'm flying at a smaller field. I'm very happy with her.

Highly recommended!
That sure is one purdy plane! Good job!

[Mode One]

The instruction on my ARF version call out .60 two stroke or 1.20 four stroke. I've always considered a .90 four stroke and a .60 two stroke to be similar in power, why the jump to .120?

What are we powering ours with? (Not interested in electric power).

[saito56]

The instruction on my ARF version call out .60 two stroke or 1.20 four stroke. I've always considered a .90 four stroke and a .60 two stroke to be similar in power, why the jump to .120?

What are we powering ours with? (Not interested in electric power).

I built a Sr. tele from a kit a few years ago, and originally had a OS 70 four stroke on it. it was enough motor, flew great, but I changed it to a Thunder Tiger .90 four stroke and what a difference. I could putt around at 1/2 throttle or less for a looooonnnnnggggg time. sold it to a club member who didn't check his battery charge and it went north without him.
Thinking of getting the yellow arf.

[pshappens]

I just ordered the yellow STM! cant wait!
Have planned a different power train, plan to put larger (balloon) tires on for my terrain but am interested in the spoiler (what is that, how do you get it on the TM?
Also the cutting of the ailerons for flaps sounds neat.

A lot of folks seem to replace the servos - why?

Thanks All and Happy New Year!

[dumorian]

I just ordered the yellow STM! cant wait!
Have planned a different power train, plan to put larger (balloon) tires on for my terrain but am interested in the spoiler (what is that, how do you get it on the TM?
Also the cutting of the ailerons for flaps sounds neat.

A lot of folks seem to replace the servos - why?

Thanks All and Happy New Year!
It sounds like you ordered the ARF. Doing spoilers on it would be a good bit of work... depending on what type you bought. Most mount down inside of the wings... but there are some that sit mostly on top of the wings. If you do flaps, spoilers would be somewhat redundant.

I did flaps. I cut the ailerons, I think leaving two hinges on the flap portion the three on the aileron portion. I just cut centered between the hinges... did a bit of sanding between to increase the clearance just a bit and all was good. You will need to then select an area to add the additional servos. I selected an area that pretty much matched the original servo location... just further out on the wing to catch the ailerons. You'll need to cut away a bit of covering in this area on each wing. I then framed up an area to hold the servo... did the install out there just like the install of the original aileron servo (which became the flap servo).

I set up my radio so that I had full span ailerons, so there was no loss of aileron control during regular flight. I then put the flaps on the left slider... all the way up was no flap, all the way down was full flap. I could set them however I liked. I also added a mix of down elevator to the flap control, as the model liked to nose up when flaps were deployed.

I really think one could have plenty of control without the full span ailerons, which means you could do mover of a pure flap install, which can potentially give you a lot more flap travel.

The Telemaster really liked flaps. I used them both for landing and takeoff. A bit of flap on takeoff seemed to launch it with a bit more control.

One other mod I would highly recommend is to increase the size of the rudder. I think it would be happier if the rudder was double the standard size. I found that if I was landing or taking off in a crosswind, there simply was not enough rudder to keep the model under control. For instance, at that point where the tailwheel was off the ground, even with full rudder, the model was still moving along slow enough that a cross wind would turn it. I had mine set so that the rudder throw was out to the point of just missing the elevator.... still not quite enough. This made for some unwieldy takeoffs... suddenly turning into the wind... and some sort of not so great landings... where just as it slowed down, it would turn into the wind.

Be sure to balance the model laterally. I had one wing that needed about an ounce added to it near the end. The left wing was the heavy one. Between prop effect, that weight and if there was a wind from the left... it all added up to not a good situation... a lot of correction just after launch.

I also made changes to the wing strut connections. The suggested method into the wing was fine, but I had problem with the horns pulling out at the fuse. I changed this to a strap of stainless across the bottom and it worked great.

OH, Cub Yellow covering is a really good match.

So, the model is a bit touchy on takeoffs and landings. It flies like a dream! Almost boring it's so easy to fly. It will also haul some stuff. I've had camcorders mounted on mine... a bomb bay... tow release... I did an AXI 4130 with 6s2p 8000 mah lipo. Nice power, around 45 minutes of flight on a charge... a nice model. I think doubling the rudder size and adding the flaps will give it the ground manners it needs.

[rhampton]

I am a proud owner of the senior Telemaster 94" WingSpan. Just got in the mail on Friday. i got the Arf version. I am not good at building and This is my 1st Arf so i have a question or 2. Im really puzzled over how the wing stays together. I put the 2 pieces of wood in the wing to Join them but how in the world do u mount it on the Fuse. i pushed the round Long pegs thru the fuse but is this Large Wing actually held together by Rubber bands? I find this Impossible. Is there another way to mount the Wings? im nervous that i may fall off.

Also is it easy to convert to electric? that's what i plan to do. i have the motor, esc and Lipo but never made a motor mount. So any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Reggie

[lenrev]

It is held by rubber bands. As I recall, I used 20 #64's on mine. There are one or two round dowels for alignment and a square-ish wood wing rod that has the dihedral angle in it that joins the wing halves.

Tried to set up a bolt on wing set using birch ply cut to the root rib outline with a hook shaped at the leading edge. These were epoxied with dowel pinned into the root ribs of each wing half. Cut an opening at the top of the former at the leading edge so the hook would catch the dowel intended for rubber bands. Bolts with appropriate base was used at the trailing edge. Unfortunately, I managed to break the hook end while load testing (poor choice of wood) and I gave up.

That said, INSPECT your fuse before assembly. I tip-stalled mine and got a replacement fuse. Found no trace of epoxy (lots of hot glue) and the former at the stab's leading edge was broken. Only wing damage was the mounting blocks for the struts. Again a trace of hot glue, didn't even take balsa from the attached rib when it separated.

All-in-all, a good flyer with AXI 4130 and 16-20 NiMh/NiCd. Flew well at 13 pounds but watch out for stall when on the down wind turns at low airspeed. A little trottle until aligned to the runway works. Hopefully, the ARF construction has improved since I bought mine (2-yrs ago). Now I want to pull it out and finish that rebuild!

Check the archives on the large electrics section here for more on the plane.

[iflytailies]

My electric TM is set up for aerotowing. You can read here on p. 35 how to do the mod to have 4 screws holding down the wing:

http://www.rcsoaringdigest.com/pdfs/RCSD-2009/RCSD-2009-04.pdf

http://iflytailies.jimdo.com/

[rallison]

...is this Large Wing actually held together by Rubber bands? I find this Impossible. Is there another way to mount the Wings? im nervous that i may fall off.

Also is it easy to convert to electric? that's what i plan to do. i have the motor, esc and Lipo but never made a motor mount. So any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Reggie

Reggie,

Congratulations--I think you're going to enjoy this plane.

Yes, you can fly it with the rubber bands and dowels and the wing spars will keep it together fine. If you want to make it stronger for carrying heavy loads or high-speed maneuvers you might want to look around on this forum for other ways of joining the wings (you can drill into the wing spars from underneath, for example) or use wing bolts and such to attach the wings to the fuselage.

For the motor mount, I drilled four holes in the firewall and put t-nuts (blind nuts) on the cabin side of the firewall. Then I got nylon spacers from Hobby Lobby (though you can get them at hardware stores like Lowe's) and 4" long machine screws. The screws pass through the x-mount, through the spaces, and then screw into the t-nuts. Then I use lock nuts on the back of those. Here's a pic.

It's a solid mount. You might also have to cut away some of the hardwood for the gas motor mount for clearance, by the way. But I've been flying my Sr. TM for alomost a year now and it's a good set-up. Flew it just yesterday, in fact...

[rhampton]

Thanks for all the comments. Appreciate that. im still a novice at building so i didnt quite understand everything i read so be patient please,, but i do see now what rubber bands to buy since none came with mine. It was quoted to use (20 #64's ) so i'll go to local hobby shop to see if they have that.
Im not understanding to well the comment on how i can make it where i can use screws. Maybe some photos will help better for me. If you can post photos that would be great.. Is it possible to use just rubber bands and that's it? no struts or screws? can i fly with just that?

i'll address my motor mount issue on my next question post for i really want to focus on this wing security.

Reggie

[iflytailies]

First, I cut the covering behind the leading edge on the top wing side. I also cut out the balsa wood cover and measured a piece of 1/8" plywood sheet that would fit right between the two ribs (see picture). This will serve as reinforcement for the front section of the wing. The trailing edge area comes already reinforced.
Then, I measured the width of the fuselage where the wing leading and trailing edge area would meet the fuselage. I cut a 1/4" plywood sheet to length, about 2" wide and epoxied it right behind fuselage spar number 2 and right in front of spar 3. Use small plywood sticks and epoxy them right under the sheets for support. I am using 1/4-20 plastic screws with washers and blind nuts to hold the wing in place.

http://iflytailies.jimdo.com/