Looking for a Dumas Brooklyn Tug. Where ??

[everglades]

I'm embarking on a project to build an early century tub, possibly the Dumas Brooklyn with a steam TVR1A engine in it.

I'm having a hard time finding a place to buy the Brooklyn that has it in stock. I would appreciate any tips in locating one.

Thanks to all.

[420TEE]

Try mackproductsrc.com First one under Scale Boats.

[W.L Upshaw]

I would think twice about putting a steam plant in the Dumas Brooklyn Tug that Mack is now carrying, it is a vac formed hull, I would suggest that you look for someone who wants to sell the older kit with the Fiberglass hull.

[der kapitan]

I would think twice about putting a sream plant in the Dumas Brooklyn Tug that Mack is now carrying, it is a vac formed hull, I would suggest that you look for someone who wants to sell the older kit with the Fiberglass hull.
Everglades, Lee is right on that point, look for one of the older kits, and avoid a lot of grief---. ;)

[everglades]

I cant even find a the new kit... how am I going to find and old one??

Will keep looking, thanks to all.

[Predreadnut]

Didnt you see post #2???? Mack has them, I just looked at their website and there it was.

[woodybob]

Here’s one with a fiberglass hull. Hobbyworldinc (http://www.hobbyworldinc.com/woodship44.html) Not Dumas, but the scale is very close.

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Didnt you see post #2???? Mack has them, I just looked at their website and there it was.


Yes, but the ABS hull is what they are concered about.
The boiler may melt and deform the ABS. :(

[W.L Upshaw]

The Kit being advertised is the Dumas kit, note the date that the page was updated last was in 2005.

[Predreadnut]

Umi, he posted that he couldnt find an old one after 420TT said to look at mackproducts, thats why I posted. Lee, your right, the description on the link is the same as the one given by Dumas.

[everglades]

I called Hobbyworldinc and they are waiting for kits from Dumas. They will be ABS kits.

I left a message for Mack products but I suspect they are also back ordered.

Any other tips would help.

[woodybob]

Seems that Harbor Models Steam Tug Brooklyn (http://www.harbormodels.com/site08/info_pages/dumas/steam_tug_brooklyn_info.htm)is a fiberglass hull. Give 'em a call.

[everglades]

I called... Harbor Models doesn't have any either.

Since the kits were originally fiber glass, most vendors have not updated their web sites to reflect they are now ABS.

On top of it, all the places I called, don't have it in stock, and Dumas is not saying when they will do another production run.

At this point, I just have to find someone that has it in stock.

Keep the suggestions coming.

Thanks.

[wiso2]

Hi Fernando, here's the contact info for the hobby shop I mentioned. that might still have one in stock. The owners name is Bob. Good luck with your search:

House of Hobbies, 37700 US Highway 19, Palm Harbor, Florida 34684. Tel# (727) 943-5800

[Greg Knipp]

I know this won't help you right now, but I think we need to talk Karl, at Microglass, into developing a fiberglass Brooklynn Tug hull!!!! Hint, Hint!!!!
It doesn't seem as though Dumas is just too interested in keeping the supply up with the demand.

[CG Bob]

It doesn't seem as though Dumas is just too interested in keeping the supply up with the demand.
Dumas quit making fiberglass hulls over a year ago. Here's the thread (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=582263&highlight=dumas+fiberglass) where that was discussed. Best bet for finding the older fiberglass hulls is e-bay, estate or rummage sales, or a LHS with some old stock.

[woodybob]

Here’s another Dumas fiberglass hull link: Preston Model Centre (http://www.prestonmodels.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_BUILD_UP_R_C_KITS_48.html)
Middle of the page...

[everglades]

Thanks to all who posted recommendations of where I could find a kit. I have resigned to the fact that I will have to wait for Dumas to resume production. I email them and they stated it would be a few weeks.

Since the hull will be ABS, i will fashion some type of heat shield to ensure the heat from the boiler does not distort the hull.

If anyone comes across a retailer that has the kit in stock, please let me know.

[Predreadnut]

Everglades, you need to talk to Brooks, he has been atempting to put a steam plant in a vac u tug. It has a plastic hull also. I think he had some good ideas on heat shielding.

[frankg]

:) EVERGLADES- You are right about having a hard time finding the Brooklyn Tug. Everything that was fiberglass has been discontinued by DUMAS. The only boats sill left in MACK Product that are fiberglass are one Jersey City tug and one Mr. Darby with Dumas running hardware sold as a unit. Every thing else that was fiberglass is gone except for some deep vee’s and the big ready to run Slow Motion hydro, with the Zenoah motor. As for delivery on the boats that Dumas has in production are with vac-formed hulls,(Brooklyn and the Jersey City as well as the Myrtle Cory), we are still awaiting delivery along with a number of wooden kits we stock. :)

[Tug Guy]

Thanks to all who posted recommendations of where I could find a kit. I have resigned to the fact that I will have to wait for Dumas to resume production. I email them and they stated it would be a few weeks.

Since the hull will be ABS, i will fashion some type of heat shield to ensure the heat from the boiler does not distort the hull.

If anyone comes across a retailer that has the kit in stock, please let me know.

Everglades try this site for a still available fiberglass tug kit.
http://www2.stevenshobby.com:5641/

I got mine there and they still have stock. I called them and had them check stock just to be sure. The lady was kind enough to call me back and I ordered it. Good luck

[everglades]

Thanks for your advice Tug Guy. I called and got the last fiber glass model in stock.

[der kapitan]

Both Dumas and Midwest have discontinued producing fiberglass hulls, and I heard somewhere that was because of EPA and OSHA restrictions, which is a CROCK---. :p

How about it being that both companies have new owners, and instead of hobbyists running the show, it's now controlled by the bean counters? ;)

Vacforming over glass is a cost-cutting move, and never mind quality, or what the customer wants---. :rolleyes:

[Tug Guy]

Thanks for your advice Tug Guy. I called and got the last fiber glass model in stock.

Glad you got the last one and it was still there for you.

[W.L Upshaw]

I am glad that you found one. I have one of these kits but it is in my storage up in Seattle and it will be June before I will be back up there.
I am Going to take it to the NW R/C Regatta on June-7th and sell it there to the first taker.

Dumas is not under new ownership, but they did take some drastic cost cutting measures 2 years ago which included vacating the building where the fiberglass work was done.
Dumas has shifted over to producing more of the rubber powered little airplanes that are balsa sticks and tissue paper, they sell very well and the people who get them do not bitch about every little thing they do not like about the kit, they build them and enjoy them. Model boaters can't seem to grasp that philoshophy any more.

[woodybob]

Humm...

[azcaptain]

I am glad that you found one. I have one of these kits but it is in my storage up in Seattle and it will be June before I will be back up there.
I am Going to take it to the NW R/C Regatta on June-7th and sell it there to the first taker.

Dumas is not under new ownership, but they did take some drastic cost cutting measures 2 years ago which included vacating the building where the fiberglass work was done.
Dumas has shifted over to producing more of the rubber powered little airplanes that are balsa sticks and tissue paper, they sell very well and the people who get them do not bitch about every little thing they do not like about the kit, they build them and enjoy them. Model boaters can't seem to grasp that philoshophy any more.


I agree with you. Too often we try to "tear down" the very people (companies) that do such great work for us in putting kits together. How many reallly, really, neat ChrisCraft models would there be without the likes of Dumas--a family owned business. These companies are obviously trying to be viable and make money but they are not immune to all of the same problems each of us have in "trying to make money"--costs, all costs go up up and up. And then what happens? Cheap labor from companies in Vietnam and others put out somewhat credible builtup models. That must really hurt companies like Dumas and Midwest and the very fine dealer/distributors like LoyalHanna, Harbor Models and so many more.

Well, ya got me goin', but I'll get off my high horse now :mad:

[frankg]

:) Der Kaptain- Midwest Products has been sold to new owners , but Dumas Products is still a family owned business and Rob Brandon is still the captain. I know where you are coming from, but it is the way of the world at present and if you don’t roll with the punches, you will be defiantly knocked out. The only thing that matters in the long run is do the best you can with your product, don’t cave in for the fast buck at the expense of the product and go forward. Quality will speak for it self. :)

[Greg Knipp]

Well I guess the present quality of the Dumas boat kits don't make the longevity of their boat line look promising then. I didn't want to chime in here but, I constantly see comments made to the effect that these companies need to make money and as though this is something new to business. Fact is, companies, in this case Dumas, have always needed to make money. It has been the fact since Noah built the ark.
In as far as boat builders bitching about every little thing they don't like about the kits. Well, I guess that is our right and we have that responsibility, otherwise we are not doing our part. In this case where Dumas has decided to take COST CUTTING MEASURES by going to plastic hulls speaks for itself. It not only appears that a majority of the market does not feel it was a wise and quality beneficial move. If so, the demand for the fiberglass kits and independant glass hull suppliers to make these hulls would not be so high in demand. Example: Midwest tug Sequin. Furthermore, if it was done to cut cost, it is not being reflected in the cost of their kits.....when they decide to supply them