UAS Airspace Panel, March 4th in Silicon Valley

[mluvara]

For those interested, a UAS Airspace Panel will be held on March 4th in Mountain View, CA

" The Silicon Valley Chapter of the Association for Unmanned Vehicles International (AUVSI) in conjunction with IEEE-RAS, AIAA and AOC has arranged a panel of experts on the subject of new national airspace regulations for the emerging use of unmanned air vehicles (UAVs) in commercial as well as military applications.

The March 4th panel will amplify a topic being discussed in Washington DC and elsewhere on the growing problem of finding a safe way to allow UAVs to operate in the national airspace and what degree of regulation should be developed to control this usage."

Details are available here:
http://www.auvsisiliconvalley.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=9

[patrickegan]

I'm there, anyone else going? :cool:

[mluvara]

I will be there.

There has also been a 4th speaker added. Quite the lineup.

See the details on the website.
http://www.auvsisiliconvalley.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=9

Michael

[patrickegan]

I'm looking forward to it, P

[Jack Crossfire]

It's a hell of a long drive, but based on some recent quotes might be worth it. Suspect most of the people going R mainly interested in meeting big names like Perry Kavros.

> The FAA ruling last year has really dried up the U.S. market -
> most of our inquiries and sales come from overseas.

-- N. Robotics

[patrickegan]

That ain’t the half of it! The FAA has basically kicked the domestic industry (nonmilitary use) in the shins, and if you want to sell overseas you have to jump through the commerce department hoops. Ira Buckley aptly likened it to the American auto industry in the 70’s.

A quote from Unmanned Systems; ‘China’s goal is “to position itself as a major consumer and exporter” of unmanned aerial systems, Frost & Sullivan says.’

That last one gives me angst on many levels.

Besides all of that the meeting should have a good showing of people and it’ll be good to see some familiar faces.

[mlbco]

I'll be there also.

Steve Morris
President, MLB Co.
VP Silicon Valley AUVSI

[Jack Crossfire]

Not going. A bit too much time for a hobby. Would tell those guys there R a lot more people with the skills than aerospace jobs & if they can't allow growth in aerial robots, a lot of jobs R going straight from Japanese imagination to Indian outsourcing with no stops in between.

[patrickegan]

This one about says it all... ;)

[skymind]

Here's relevant data to share in UAS discussions on airspace utilization and professionalism and reliability of UAS operators. Taken from RC platforms.

The airliner was about no further than 2000-2400ft away from the RCAP platform approaching LAX. The RC platform was much much closer to the approach path of other LAX runways. Go to mapquest, find LAX and Hollywood Racetrack and see their orientation. I think many would decline the flight if they knew a lipo and brushless motor were to be injested into a turbofan.

[patrickegan]

The gist of your post is too obscure. Please explain the correlation between the two photos, UAS, RC aircraft and your point.

[ios]

Skymind,

Where I live there are regulations which prohibit RC aircraft from flying within 3km of an airport. The pictures which you posted have nothing to do with UAVs flying safely in controlled airspace and everything to do with RC pilots breaking the law. I don't even want to ask what height this rc plane was flying at.

In recent times I've been starting to follow the progress of a few FPV type threads on rcgroups, and it seems to me that in general the guys working on UAVs (rc planes with autopilots) are very concious of their legal obligations, but the FPV guys (rc planes with cameras and downlinks strapped on)think they can fly at any altitude and anywhere...

I'm saying that I'm pretty sure that the plane which those pictures came from was an FPV instead of a UAV, because at that distence from the airport I'd want to be damn sure I was in control of the plane every second, to control of the plane and avoid flying into the path of a heavy.

I think those pictures would serve to do nothing more than tarnish the reputation of the FPV/UAV/RC hobby.

[RaptorAP]

Besides all of that the meeting should have a good showing of people and it’ll be good to see some familiar faces.
Sounds like alot will get accomplished...:rolleyes:

[patrickegan]

Sounds like alot will get accomplished...:rolleyes:

I don’t plan on attending with the hopes of accomplishing much. It’s more of a recon mission to see how far down the yellow brick road the contractors are, and maybe if I’m lucky one of those nifty NASA baseball caps… :D

[skymind]

The gist of your post is too obscure. Please explain the correlation between the two photos, UAS, RC aircraft and your point.It probably relates more to smaller-scale operations of any type of unmanned aircraft. Sharing shots which keeps real the visualization and belief that these kinds of flights will occur in the airspace system when left up to ones own discression. Other than that, everyone can pick their own gist.


ios, In discussions such as to be held in the UAS Airspace Panel this week, I'd guess that one of the assumed positions is similar to what you said.

[RaptorAP]

I don’t plan on attending with the hopes of accomplishing much. It’s more of a recon mission to see how far down the yellow brick road the contractors are, and maybe if I’m lucky one of those nifty NASA baseball caps… :D

I got one from KSC, they fade in a month... kinda like this meeting!:D

[patrickegan]

I got one from KSC, they fade in a month... kinda like this meeting!:D
Made in China? In kind services for all of the missle tech we gave'em :D

[patrickegan]

It probably relates more to smaller-scale operations of any type of unmanned aircraft. Sharing shots which keeps real the visualization and belief that these kinds of flights will occur in the airspace system when left up to ones own discression. Other than that, everyone can pick their own gist.


ios, In discussions such as to be held in the UAS Airspace Panel this week, I'd guess that one of the assumed positions is similar to what you said.

Are both of those photos supposed to be from the same incident? Addressing the photos first one is so pixilated we have to assume that it is farther away then say 500’. In the second, that would be one very large model plane. In any event, it is hard to discern what exactly we are looking at, what they are doing, and who/what is in control.

I’m not jumping on the AOPA hysteria bandwagon. They have asked for a level of safety beyond that of manned aviation, there are many who believe that the RTCA best practices mitigate most of those concerns. :)

[Jack Crossfire]

So how'd it go? Did anyone trade UAV implementation secrets?

[patrickegan]

I’ll be writing up a brief synopsis w/pic(s) that will be published in the Reporter. I will say that it was good showing of stake holders…

[patrickegan]

EXTRA, EXTRA....

http://members.tripod.com/wcs_bbs/reporter/

[Jack Crossfire]

They're right. New organizations, associations, acronyms, and celebrity CEO's R what we need. Not clear what this has to do with Major League Baseball, unless the Devilray's R now praying for autonomous baseballs.

[patrickegan]

There’s your first million, autonomously guided sporting goods! :D

[patrickegan]

Raiders first, then work your way up to the A’s! (Both local and could sure use the help ;) ), who knows someday they could play at Jack Crossfire stadium. :cool:

[typicalaimster]

Not clear what this has to do with Major League Baseball

*eyebrow purks up* Don't tell me they want to regulate those stupid card spitting blimps they fly at stadiums?

[Unterhausen]

EXTRA, EXTRA....

http://members.tripod.com/wcs_bbs/reporter/
Nice write-up, and thanks for going to that meeting. People need to know that the FAA is causing problems.

[patrickegan]

Thanks :cool:

I’d really like to make the NTSB meeting on UAS, it would be a good opportunity to daylight the inanity of lumping us in with Predator. One of the panelists tried to imply that if a SUAS hit a cow it would draw as much media attention as the Predator crash. :rolleyes:

This community needs to come together and support this effort…

[Joe Bennett]

Skymind,

Where I live there are regulations which prohibit RC aircraft from flying within 3km of an airport. The pictures which you posted have nothing to do with UAVs flying safely in controlled airspace and everything to do with RC pilots breaking the law. I don't even want to ask what height this rc plane was flying at.

In recent times I've been starting to follow the progress of a few FPV type threads on rcgroups, and it seems to me that in general the guys working on UAVs (rc planes with autopilots) are very concious of their legal obligations, but the FPV guys (rc planes with cameras and downlinks strapped on)think they can fly at any altitude and anywhere...

I'm saying that I'm pretty sure that the plane which those pictures came from was an FPV instead of a UAV, because at that distence from the airport I'd want to be damn sure I was in control of the plane every second, to control of the plane and avoid flying into the path of a heavy.

I think those pictures would serve to do nothing more than tarnish the reputation of the FPV/UAV/RC hobby.

See http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=826826&pp=30 for the original thread my photo was taken from (posts #4 & #29). The flights were NOT FPV, but fully LOS with two spotters, and many other safety precautions taken. Their use here was never authorized and they were represented totally out of the true context and safety concerns that were taken prior to, during, and after the flights were performed. These photos were taken with the full permission of the Hollywood Park officials, and all rules and regulations pertaining to R/C AP flights in force at the time were adhered to fully. Read the original thread for full details, and do not let false and purposely misleading statements and presentations color your thinking. Please also keep in mind that using other peoples photographic property without permission is a violation of the U.S. Copyright laws. Thanks All....

Joe