Hi-Start Calculator [Archive]

KickAce

Jan 03, 2008, 02:28 AM

Hi All…

I have created a Hi-Start Calculator program that will assist people in determining the amount of pounds pull at a 300’ stretch and what the maximum weight for a model in oz that could be used with the dimensions entered of the OD & ID of the tubing being calculated… The inspiration came from this: http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles/design/dickwilliamson_histartphysics.htm

I made it “Freeware” and if you would like download it, please feel free do so…

I hope you enjoy it as much as I had in creating it…!!!
Kevin

UPDATE: 01-05-2008
HERE IS THE UPDATED VERSION OF "THE HI-START CALCULATOR" PROGRAM VERSION 1.0.1 - This is the final version of this calculator software BUT I am still looking for input for the "Hi-Start a Beginner's Guide" - Please give input (see posts below)

UPDATE 01-08-2008
"Hi-Start Calculator" version 1.0.1 will remain available for download until the new major release version 2.0.0 comes out... No ETA for there will be allot of programming that needs to be done... Thank you for your suggestions... :) Stay Tuned...!!!

UPDATE: JAN 13 2008
Hi-Start Calculator version 1.2.0
I have uploaded a new release of the Hi-Start Calculator 1.2.0 that has the option to calculate using the ID and Wall Thickness… There has been a need for this option and due to the fact that version 2.0.0 will not be out until sometime this summer I had upgraded this version for use until then…

Enjoy…
Kevin :rolleyes:

UPDATE: 01-22-2008
The email address in the "Help - About" is incorrect...
People who wish to send comments/suggestions and do not want to do so in a forum type setting will need to send their emails to:
"email2112-2007@yahoo.com"
Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused...
Kevin :o

aeajr

Jan 03, 2008, 05:35 AM

Interesting idea.

KickAce

Jan 03, 2008, 02:01 PM

Hi aeajr...

Have you tried it yet...?
Do you think that this will be helpful to those that already have hi-starts and for those just getting into the hobby...?

Kevin

aeajr

Jan 03, 2008, 02:09 PM

This program wants to update my system files. I don't like that. I am running windows ME and this could introduce problems.

I think I will pass on the calculator. I thought it was an excel spreadsheet type offering.

I don't know what the program does, but using a hi-start is a very simple process. You pull back and release. The amount of pull should be at least 3X the weight of the plane. A pull of 4-5X will typically give you a good launch. Strong planes can handle more, but the pilot may not be able to hold the plane against the pull.

My Thermal Dancer is about 60 ounces, or just shy of 4 pounds. At 5X that would be 20 pounds. That is a strong pull to hold. I have done it but it is not easy. The plane can take much more as I launch this off a winch at full pedal with no problems. But to have more pull than 20 pounds would require help.

My Legend weighs 5 pounds. I have launched this one at about 25 pounds pull but needed someone else to handle the transmitter.

So, a simple 3-5X the weight of the plane is all that is really needed. A $5 fish scale can be used to gage the pull the first couple of times. After that, you do it by feel.

I am sure someone will try your program but my system is so touchy I don't really want to load any new programs.

KickAce

Jan 03, 2008, 02:48 PM

I can understand that... ME is flaky to begin with... That is why Microsoft dropped it like a hot... er... should I say "burning potato"...! Almost none of the vendors would even write drivers for it... Oh well, time to upgrade to XP...

No excel involved, the program was written in pure VB (visual basic) code... It is a program, a very small program and installs like any other program would... I work as a computer desktop support technician for the past 10 years as my trade... I have only tested it on Windows XP, NT 2000 and Win98 and all works correctly... I cannot blame you for not wanting to install it on a ME machine but I cannot see why it wouldn't work... If someone has installed it to a PC with ME as their operating system, let us know how it has worked...?

Kevin

KickAce

Jan 03, 2008, 09:36 PM

If you do not want to run the setup then my only suggestion if you know enough about computer files, try what I am saying below... It is how I first tested it and only a Win98 machine "needed" to run the setup file...

Open up the zip file and inside the zip file you will see "Hi-Start Calc.cab" You can open that file with WinZip and inside there you will find the "Hi-Start Calc.exe" file (the actual program it's self) where in most cases you can just extract that file to your hard drive and run just the programs executable file (hi-start calc.exe) ... In most cases if have been keeping up with the Microsoft Updates, you will most likely be able to run the file (hi-start calc.exe) just fine as is... If people have a problem trying this method where it errors when you try to open it saying it cannot find files, then they should run the setup file to update the dll files... The setup file contains the missing dll files and copies them where they need to be... In most cases the dll's are specific to the Hi-Start Calculation program it's self...

I would like to hear from others about how you like/hate the program and suggestions or changes that they would like to see done... I have already been thinking about clearing off all the writing and adding more selections to bring up pictures, diagrams, video and ??? on the whole setup and use of the hi-start... To almost be a "Beginner's Giude" to the use of a hi-start... Just would like to hear your thoughts... If you would like to comment or suggest and not do so in a "forum" type atmosphere, In the Hi-Start Calculator program, if you click on the "Help" menu and select "About" it will bring up the "about" dialog box where on the bottom you can find my email address and email me directly...

I love the hobby of RC Soaring and am hooked for life! I am thinking a program such as this would be a fantastic tool for beginners... I will ponder and listen to everyones thoughts and come out with a revised version in a few months and have the Hi-Start Calculator as a button that you would click to call it up along with some of the others mentioned above...

I look forward to hearing from you all...
After all, isn't this how the Zlog altimeter for RC sailplanes all started...?

Kevin :p

williamson

Jan 04, 2008, 11:03 AM

I have an iMac so the program won't work on my machine. However, the program looks fine to me. For those who remember their algebra, the force at 300% elongation is easy to calculate (That is what the program does.):
Force in pounds = 175 x pi/4 x (OD^2 - ID^2)
where pi=3.14, OD is the outer diameter of the relaxed tubing in inches and ID is the same for the inner diameter. The little up arrows indicate that the OD and ID need to be squared in the formula.

I have compared the data from others for force versus elongation. There is no significant difference between the various types of latex tubing.

I agree with Ed that you can test your high start after you buy it, but the importance of the formula is that you can decide ahead of time what size of high start you want to buy for your plane.

Ricardo RW

Jan 04, 2008, 11:26 AM

Sounds interesting, I'll pass the word within my buddies in my country.

Take care and thank you very much for your work.

Ricardo.

aeajr

Jan 04, 2008, 11:05 PM

I agree with Ed that you can test your high start after you buy it, but the importance of the formula is that you can decide ahead of time what size of high start you want to buy for your plane.

Ahhh, I did not understand that. Good point! Thanks. ;)

KickAce

Jan 05, 2008, 11:07 PM

Thanks…
I had to refresh my knowledge in my Geometry and my skills in Visual Basic but all did come together to make the calculator a success…! A special thanks to williamson for having done research on hi-start rubber properties…! Without out that I would not have been inspired to write the program… I love this hobby…!!!

So, the “Hi-Start Calculator” final version 1.0.1 has been posted in my first post in this thread and ready for anyone to use… I hope that it helps people getting into the hobby and others who wonder how their hi-start(s) rate… I had bought a few hi-starts off of ebay and the sellers were not sure which type (duty) that they had and there are no standards, they can call anything heavy-duty but what does that really mean, well now we know…! It would have been great had I written the software before hand and could have seen the results before I had purchased them… Knowledge is everything and the software will be a very handy tool to those who will use it…! Just helps in making wise decisions before you go purchase a hi-start system…

Ok, now having said that… I am still looking into writing another program called “Hi-Start a Beginners Guide”… And am still looking into how and what to include in it… The “Hi-Start Calculator” will be just one piece inside of the “Hi-Start a Beginner's Guide”… I am thinking that it will be next fall before it will be completed… Mostly because I have pictures and video that I will need to create which will be done over this coming flying season… I am also looking for ideas as to what to include and IDEAS are welcomed… If people like the calculator then I am sure that beginners will love the new one when it comes out…

Spread the word out… I look forward to hearing from you…

Thanks again…
Kevin :)

scaflock

Jan 06, 2008, 11:36 AM

Nice little program laurionk. I've been playing around with it a bit here and I have a suggestion or two you may want to consider adding/changing.

First thing to consider is that not everyone uses a 100 ft section of tube for their high-start. Up-starts for smaller fields come to mind with their 50 lengths. Why not give the users the option of inputing their tube length? I think a simple set of buttons to select lengths of 25-50-100 feet would be called for to make it usable for more people.

From what I've seen, some makers of tubing list their tube by I.D. and wall thickness instead of O.D. When the wall thickness is an odd size, it makes it hard to calculate the O.D. when you can't reduce the wall measurement to a common fraction. (Ex: Hose monster Competition 2M tube has 3/32 walls with an I.D. of 1/4".) If you make the program so it has an option of inputing I.D and either wall thickness or O.D. than you can cover all types of tubing.

Other than that it's a great little program. Very easy to use and understand. Keep up the good work!! :)

Jeff

KickAce

Jan 06, 2008, 12:05 PM

Thanks very much for the suggestions…! :)

I did not consider how other vendors list their specifications and this will add a great deal of functionality to the calculator for sure… I will definitely add this to the next update to the calculator… I do want it to be a user-friendly calculator and make it as easy as possible for others to use…

The other suggestion I will have to test and see if the tension would be the same for hi-start tubing at these different lengths but believe that a 4:1 ratio (feet-in-rubber @ 3 times the stretch) would be a constant value and would only need to add check boxes to change the wording in the results and let a person who uses the calculator feel comfortable in the results…

Thanks again for your input and to others that have comments and suggestions… All are welcome…!!!

Kevin :rolleyes:

williamson

Jan 06, 2008, 02:52 PM

The program says that the calculations are based on a high start with 100 feet of tubing. There is no need to make this assumption. In fact, the selection of the cross-sectional dimensions of the tubing is independent of the length of the tubing. It would be better to say that the results are based on the assumption of 300% elongation. The peak force is the same independent of the length of the tubing. Perhaps it would be useful to include a simple table illustrating what 300% elongation implies. For example,

Length of tubing Distance pulled back
25 feet 75 feet
50 feet 150 feet
100 feet 300 feet

KickAce

Jan 06, 2008, 02:56 PM

Thanks again scaflock ...

I had just finished testing the theory and the 175 lbs per square inch that williamson has done research on holds true... What this means is whether you have 25 feet, 50 feet, 100 feet or any length of tubing, as long as the stretch is 3 times its relaxed state (25' stretched 3-times its length = 75' total distance end-to-end) and the values listed in the calculator holds true... I will be including your suggestion on the next "major" release on the "Hi-Start Calculator" for version 2.0.0. and will add greatly to the "user-friendly" interface and think that you have a great idea...!

The adding of being able to calculate based on "od", "id" and/or wall thickness will be a very BIG asset to the next version of the calculator... Thanks so much for bringing this one up... It just didn't come accross my mind...

I am now thinking about to include another selection to convert between english and metric values... My question to those who live outside of the USA, would this be something that you would like to see have done?

This is why Forums such as this are so important to our hobby...! I suggest if people who visit this site to register and share there knowledge and feedback... Registering is easy and free...!

Thanks again for yours and everyone's feedback... :)

Kevin :rolleyes:

scaflock

Jan 06, 2008, 05:07 PM

KickAce

Jan 06, 2008, 06:38 PM

You might want to get tubing samples from some of the makers. Different wall thickness etc. I would think that a thicker wall would react differently than a thinner one as far as recoil strength is concerned. I would imagine that they'd be willing to send you some scrap tube for testing if you were to explain what you're working on.

Aerofoam ( http://www.aerofoam.com/rubberspecs.html ) has a lot of info on their page. You may find it helpful.

Jeff

Thanks Jeff...

I have hi-starts from aerofoam and from pinnacle and will be doing some testing this upcoming flying season as well as getting some pictures and video for the upcoming release of "Hi-Start a Beginner’s Guide" that I hope to have out before the end of the year...

From the work that had been done by "williamson" in this post ( http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles/design/dickwilliamson_histartphysics.htm ), which is where I had the inspiration to come up with the calculator, he has done research on this and there is not a correlation between the thickness in the wall of the rubber for the hi-start other than the difference between the OD (outside dia) and the ID (inside dia) to which determines the overall "surface-area" (cross-section) of the tube... So, one cannot look at tubing and just look at the thickness of the wall and think one has a stronger pull than another... It is the overall surface (cross-section) area, which determines the amount of stored tension in the hi-start rubber... In other words if you compare a rubber stretched 3 times it length, say a (tube "A" with 7/16"-od & 6/16"-id = a 1/16"-wall = 6.9 lbs pull) vs (tube "B" with 4/16"-od & 2/16"-id = 2/16"-wall = 6.4 lbs pull), tube "B" has a thicker wall but has less tension stored as potential energy which makes tube "A" a stronger hi-start even though tube "A" has a thiner wall thickness... One has to run the numbers, look up a chart or use the hi-start calculator to "know" what the rating really is... I hope this helps in your understanding... thanks for your input...!

Thanks williamson, I will have a graphic in the updated version... i think that it would help in people in understanding... It will be a great addition...!

Kevin :rolleyes:

williamson

Jan 07, 2008, 03:15 PM

I have attached a chart that shows the tension of a high start as a function of elongation (distance that the high start is pulled back divided by the relaxed length of the tubing). The chart contains data on the rubber used in various types of high starts.

The chart shows that the tension versus elongation is similar for all of the three types of rubber tubing that were tested. For the mathematically inclined, the stored energy is the integral of the tension versus elongation.

Note that the curves round off somewhat as elongation is increased. For most materials, the data would curve upward. What is going on with the tubing is that with increasing elongation, the cross-sectional area keeps shrinking at the same time the tension per unit cross section area is increasing. The net effect is the rounding of the curves.

-Dick

KickAce

Jan 08, 2008, 06:15 AM

Thanks for everyone's suggestions...! :)

Started to design the next release "Hi-Start Calculator" version 2.0.0

I placed a screenshot in the first post for you to look at... Let me know if anyone thinks that something is missing and/or any other suggestions that you may have... I am trying to keep it as simple as possible and I think that this one, although has much more information, keeps simple to use and understand right up there... Let me know what you think...?

The colored lines will move (look as if they stretch) based on the input seclection to their proper possitions when the calculate button is pressed...

It will be awhile before the new release will be coming out... There will be allot of programming that needs to be done... :eek: If I were to give an e.t.a., then i would have to say June 2008... I have night class coming up next week that will be taking most all my time till summer... If I can get in an hour or two of programming done in-between my studies and get it released sooner then I will but not before it is ready... Keep checking this post for updates...!

Thanks again for all of your suggestions…
Kevin :rolleyes:

aeajr

Jan 08, 2008, 06:38 AM

Only input I can make is, on your sample screen, I think you designate a maximum plane weight. I would call tht more of a typical weight as there can be variations up and down depending on plane type.

A nit but if you are looking for input, that is mine. I have not run the program.

KickAce

Jan 08, 2008, 07:12 AM

Yep aeajr,

Just the kind of tweaking that I am looking for...!
I made the change, posted it and think that it will work… :cool:

I am not sure for the selection for "English/Meteric" measurement though… Is it “English” or “American Standard” or something else…? :confused:

Thanks aeajr…!

Kevin :rolleyes:

atjurhs

Jan 10, 2008, 10:27 AM

...For those who remember their algebra, the force at 300% elongation is easy to calculate (That is what the program does.):
Force in pounds = 175 x pi/4 x (OD^2 - ID^2)
where pi=3.14, OD is the outer diameter of the relaxed tubing in inches and ID is the same for the inner diameter. The little up arrows indicate that the OD and ID need to be squared in the formula...

Williamson, I don't have my grad classical mechanics physics books in front of me, but I do remember that the expansion & contraction of an elastic material (rubber) has a non-linear rate of change with regard to its stress/strain modulus. What you are presenting in the Force equation you listed assumes a linear modulus. A linear modulus for an elastic material can only be assumed for small changes in the range of strains for the elastic material, which would be a "strech" [pun intended] to a piece of Hi-Start tubing. Additionally, the stress/strain modulus is different for different types of tubing. All this fancy physics mumbo-jumbo is to say that your equation is over simplified, and hopefully not what was used in laurionk's program. Although I look forward to testing out laurionk's program to see if it emperically matches or not. I'd just as soon find the cup half-full than empty.

Ricardo RW

Jan 10, 2008, 01:33 PM

I have attached a chart that shows the tension ...

-Dick

What are the units for tension? Elongation is percentage, isn't it?

Regards.

atjurhs

Jan 10, 2008, 02:40 PM

What are the units for tension? Elongation is percentage, isn't it?

Regards.

Tension is force, therefore Newtons - N

Stress/Strain Modulus is Pascals - N/m2

Elongation would just be a delta distance, therefore meters - m

KickAce

Jan 10, 2008, 03:28 PM

I don't have my grad classical mechanics physics books in front of me, but I do remember that the expansion & contraction of an elastic material (rubber) has a non-linear rate of change with regard to its stress/strain modulus. What you are presenting in the Force equation you listed assumes a linear modulus. A linear modulus for an elastic material can only be assumed for small changes in the range of strains for the elastic material, which would be a "strech" [pun intended] to a piece of Hi-Start tubing. Additionally, the stress/strain modulus is different for different types of tubing. All this fancy physics mumbo-jumbo is to say that your equation is over simplified, and hopefully not what was used in laurionk's program.

Hi atjurhs,

Thanks for reply…

I have tested the constant (175 lbs per sq in) with a hi-start stretched to “300%” elongation and it does hold true… I plan on doing more testing using various sized latex rubber hi-starts this flying season… I think I know what you are trying to say, but as long as you are stretching the rubber to “300%” elongation the calculations with the calculator work correctly… It does not matter if you have (10’ of rubber stretched to 40’) or (100’ of rubber stretched to 400’) the constant holds true… It is based on the surface area of the relaxed rubber… Most people I know will stretch the hi-start to the “300%” elongation (say 100’ rubber stretched to 400’) as their set-point to launch their model… This has been pretty much the standard stretch used by most people… Now, if someone were to stretch the rubber to only “200%” elongation or go to “500%” elongation then the calculations would not be correct for you would have to base it on a different “constant” and then they need to base their judgement based on their own experience(s)… However, based on how most people use their hi-starts at a “300%” elongation then the “Hi-Start Calculator” does exactly what it is intended to do, it is a suggested rating to assist those who are new to the hobby and want some knowledge as to what “hi-start” that they think that they should purchase match based on their models weight, for those who that have hi-starts and would like to see what their rating would be or see if they may like to upgrade their hi-start systems…

Thanks again for your reply and I hope this clears up any confusion on both what the “constant” is based on and what the intended purpose of the “Hi-Start Calculator” is about…

I look forward to finding out what your testing based on the above constant as to how your own results turn out…

Thanks again for your reply…
Kevin

atjurhs

Jan 10, 2008, 03:47 PM

Kevin thanks for your efforts on this, and your clarification as to how your code defines Elongation = (streched length)/(original length) yielding a unitless percentage.

KickAce

Jan 10, 2008, 05:23 PM

The end result when using the constant (175 lbs sq in @ 300% stretch of the rubber) based on the cross-section surface area of the rubber in its relaxed state, when you take a scale attached to the end of the line and stretch the rubber 3x it's relaxed length and measure the amount of pull that the rubber has in lbs, the amount equals what the formula says it should be (or so very close – minor variations as you mentioned) that the calculator (and formula) by all instances works out correctly... This will do, in what the end result would be for how much pull in pounds is being exerted at the end of the line where you hook your model to before launch and a fair value for a good launch is about 5x the weight of the model... So, the amount of pull checks out, the suggested upper-limit weight for the model is just that and thus, a rather accurate and real-world values listed in the calculator…

Kevin :rolleyes:

williamson

Jan 10, 2008, 11:07 PM

In response to atjurhs:

I think I got the physics mumbo jumbo right. The stress-strain relationship is definitely not linear as I pointed out in the graph that I put on this thread (High start tension data, Jan 7, 2008). The tensions as indicated on the vertical axis for this chart is in pounds for the specific cross sectional area of the tubing that was tested. Given that the relationship is nonlinear, one could give a whole range of numbers depending on the elongation and the tubing dimensions. However, that wouldn't be very useful. Instead, I focused on one elongation (300%) that is typical of what is done with most high starts. Instead of using a linear Hooke's law to calculate the stored energy, I integrated the nonlinear force versus elongation in order to get the correct value for the stored energy.

Also, the force-elongation modulus is clearly a function of the cross-sectional dimension of the tubing. However, the force per unit of cross-sectional area appears, from all of the data, to be essentially independent of the detailed dimensions of the tubing. In this sense, the tubing is like other materials. The stress in stress-strain relationships is the force per unit area.

Therefore, I greatly simplified the conclusions (while still remaining correct) by giving just two useful numbers: 175 lbs. per square inch and 300% elongation. This is what Kevin has used in his program.

-Dick (MIT PhD in Physics)

KickAce

Jan 13, 2008, 07:05 PM

Hi All...

I have spent some time to update the "Hi-Start Calculator" to version 1.2.0
(see 1st post in this forum to download)

There has been a demand to include the ability to be able to calculate based on ID (inside diameter) and Wall Thickness tube specifications... The updated version will do just that along with OD and ID calculations...

I updated the old version 1.0.1 because the new version will not be due out until sometime this summer... I have made minor modifications but the major mod is the ability to now use the ID and Wall thickness for calculations...

I have also included screen-shots on what the new version 2.0.0 will look like after I started to design the layout and functionality... It will have the option of English or Metric calculations... The new one will take quite a bit of progamming and now I have night school to go to after I am done with my days working and will have very little time to work on the 2.0.0 version until class ends this spring... The latest version should tide you over in the meantime...

I hope to hear from you on this latest version and hope that the functionality will meet your needs...

Thanks to everyone who has offered their support and suggestions...
Kevin :rolleyes:

Ricardo RW

Jan 15, 2008, 03:36 PM

Again, thank you for your contributions to this hobby.

saludos.

KickAce

Jan 15, 2008, 06:45 PM

Thank you Ricardo...

Please check back from time-to-time for the updated version 2.0.0 that I hope to have out before the end of the year... There is so much to do and not much time to do them in... I do hope that the new version, when out, will encompass all aspects of hi-starts for the "beginner" complete with video clips, pictures, diagrams and the like, on setup and use of a hi-start... Because I love the sport and articles posted on this site such as:"Soaring: Has the sport fallen off the map?" by: Brian Agnew, http://www.rcgroups.com:80/forums/showthread.php?t=794388 that I think anything to make it easy for beginner's to understand and use can only help... This is why I have, and will, spend time, effort and energy to work on this project making it "Free" to the public and help others join in the hobby... I hope that others feel the same way...!

Thanks to "ALL" for their support and efforts...!!!

Kevin

Saludos too as well...!

KickAce

Jan 21, 2008, 02:38 PM

Sorry folks...

The email address in the "Help - About" is incorrect...
People who wish to send comments/suggestions and do not want to do so in a forum type setting will need to send their emails to: "email2112-2007@yahoo.com"

Once again, sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused...

All comments/suggestions are welcome…

Kevin :rolleyes:

Christian_C

Mar 28, 2008, 06:43 PM

damn this doesn't work in mac!! may be you can share the code and I can start exploring a mac version of it?

KickAce

Mar 28, 2008, 09:18 PM

damn this doesn't work in mac!! may be you can share the code and I can start exploring a mac version of it?

Sorry, your the second one that is using a MAC that cannot run the application...

Hi Christian... Send me a PM with your email or email me at " email2112-2007@yahoo.com " and I will forward you the code that I wrote... When I get version 2.0 written, I will send you the code for that as well...

Thanks for the message...
Kevin

Christian_C

Mar 28, 2008, 11:00 PM

PM sent

KickAce

Mar 29, 2008, 12:14 AM

Thank you Christian...

I have emailed you the code... 'comments in code are marked green
Let me know if you have any questions and I will help out where I can... I know nothing in the MAC environment...

I wish you the best in your endevor...!

gklimber

Mar 29, 2008, 01:47 AM

KickAce

Mar 29, 2008, 09:20 AM

Hi,
I downloaded the current peogram. I run win2000. The setup needed to update system files which it said were out of date and then needed to re-boot. I allowed this and the system rebooted. I tried the setup a second time and the same thing happened -- it wanted to update system files and re-boot. What is happening ??? How can I force setup to run??
Tnx,
jer

Hi jer...

Have you tried the suggestions in the Post #33 in this topic...? There is in post #33 a simple test that you can perform to see if the program will run... I have found that as long as your PC has the latest Windows Updates from Microsoft that the install will work fine... The Hi-Start Calculator is written in Visual Basic ver 6.0... Try extracting the zipped files into a folder that you create on your hard drive and double-click on the Hi-Start Calculator.exe file, which is the only file that needs to be run to use the program...

Let me know if this works for you...
Thanks for you intrest...
Kevin

gklimber

Mar 29, 2008, 08:01 PM

KickAce

Mar 31, 2008, 09:17 AM

I have looked at posts # 3, 13, 23 ,and 33 and can't find anything relevant. I suppose I should read through the entire thread, but....

When I double click on the EXE file I get a browse window and the message "Choose a folder in which to save the files".

No joy.

Jer
Hi Jer...
I am not sure what zip program that you are using but sound like you are using one that will not let you run the EXE file from inside the zip software...

Yes, extract it (hi-start calc.exe) to a folder that you create and then try running the exe file from there... If it then says that it is missing files, then be sure to have your service packs from the Microsoft Updates run so that your system have the most current dll files on your PC and it should run fine then... I wote it in visual basic 6 for backward compatability for those who are still running Windows 98... Believe it or not, there are quite a few still running that version of Windows...

Try this and let me know if it then works for you... Sorry that you are having problems, but if you do extract the exe file then you should be able to run the program... Running the setup only installs some support dll files required for the running of the program and it will set up a folder in the Programs Group with a shortcut to the exe file where it would install the software...

Thanks...
Kevin