e sky belt cp Help

[eskybeltcp]

hi all

First time poster, so im not sure if im in the right spot. I went out and bought a esky belt cp heli. Now i have never flown one before and even though i was told not, I couldnt see myself buying a basic one just to upgrade again. Is there any video footage out there on learning how to fly these, and getting a better understanding of the 6ch esky transmitter. There are so many different switches and dials, not sure what does what. I took the heli down to the local park today, just to get a feel, but only managed to get it a few inches off the ground, and didnt want to any further thinking im just going to slam this into the ground. my prob was when i started to lift it of the ground it, either wanted to go to the side or go backwards, Any help or information regarding the control or to help set it up would be very much appreciated.

what do the idel up switch, hov.pit dial pit trim dial trn switch do.

Thanks in advanced

Cheers
Kyle

[Lizard Boy]

what do the idel up switch, hov.pit dial pit trim dial trn switch do.

Thanks in advanced

Cheers
Kyle
Alright about the other switches on the top. I'm just like you, new to the Belt CP. I had the same question about the switches on top. I was told that all the dials should be preset to zero and should be ignored for now. the idel up switch should be pointing away from you when flying normal. That's about all I know and all I was told. :D Hope this helps!

[eskybeltcp]

Alright about the other switches on the top. I'm just like you, new to the Belt CP. I had the same question about the switches on top. I was told that all the dials should be preset to zero and should be ignored for now. the idel up switch should be pointing away from you when flying normal. That's about all I know and all I was told. :D Hope this helps!


thanks mate. thinking of taking it down to the park again to try another attempt at a flight., still to scared that i will smash it up. only have had it of the ground about 1 or 2 inches, but seems to either drifting backwards or side ways. Would love to get it of the ground to just hover, then start moving it around slightly to get use to it. Oh well will see what happens today.

cheers

[frtcke777]

The reason that it is drifting when you get it off the ground is that it is not trimmed. Being trimmed means that it is level and it does not drift around. To Trim the helicopter you have to use the little tabs next too the sticks.

for example, if it is drifting forward: You have to adjust the trim tab an the left side of the RIGHT stick. Since it is drifting forward you have to adjust the trim backwards. Only move these tabs a little bit at a time. Do the same thing on vise versa if it is drifting backwards.

Also if it is moving to the left without input then you have to adjust the trim tab below the right stick. For the case where it is drifting left you have to adjust it too the right. Make shure you make little adjustments, not big ones. And Vise versa if the heli drifts to the right.

If the tail of the helicopter is swinging around either to the left or the right then you have to adjust the trim tab below the LEFT stick. If the tail is swinging to the left then you move it too the right. Of course you would only move it a tiny amount. And vise sersa if the tail drifts around to the right.

Make shure that whenever you go too make the adjustments too the trim that you land the helicopter first so that you dont lose control of it while trimming.

Hope that this lengthy description helps a little bit.

frtcke777

[frtcke777]

The tab that I didn't tell you about is the throttle tab, you will probobly not want to use this for rght now.
frtcke777

[eskybeltcp]

The tab that I didn't tell you about is the throttle tab, you will probobly not want to use this for rght now.
frtcke777


thanks frtcke

that has explained things alot, But due to inexperience, i crashed it today, breaking the main rotor blade and i think something is wrong with the rudder as its not working now. All it wants to do now is keep spinning in a circle. But the main are conected to the servo is in 1 piece, not sure whats going on there.

Cheers

[Jimbo45cn]

thanks frtcke

that has explained things alot, But due to inexperience, i crashed it today, breaking the main rotor blade and i think something is wrong with the rudder as its not working now. All it wants to do now is keep spinning in a circle. But the main are conected to the servo is in 1 piece, not sure whats going on there.

Cheers
just some friendly advice, you need to read through the EHBG, at the top of the other forums. It will answer a lot of your questions. You also don't need to do any "trimming" yet. At one or two inches you are in ground effect, and the most likely direction will be left, and then whatever. Until you can hover about 3 ft up, this will be the norm. Jim

[SiliconDragon]

Heh, small world. I got a Belt CP RTF kit for Xmas and I, too, attempted to simply hover a couple inches off the ground. Now, I'm awaiting a replacement main rotor gear which had a dozen teeth sheared off when my copter flipped back and to the right. Thank God I was on thick grass, else it'd probably be a $50 repair bill instead of a $5 one.

I'm a former RC plane buff and so am used to adjusting the trim on my old Futaba transmitter; but this E-Sky transmitter is a wholely different beast. After adjusting the tail roter trim as far as it'll go to counter a clockwise spin, it STILL has a slight clockwise spin, argh! The instructions are nearly helpless, too, as they seem to be translated from Chinese to English via several other languages in-between, lol.

Right now, like Jim recommends, I'm checking out others' posts and hunting for online guides for how to balance my copter for safe hovering before I move on to regular flying. Oh, and I'm finding a $20 investment in E-Sky's trainer kit very worthwhile. :)

Observation: flying copters on regular PC flight sims is radically different than these electric helis. :) But, never quit, remain patient, and take it 1 cautious step at a time...I'll get there and so will you.

PS You might consider getting a head-lock gyro. I swapped-out my stock gyro for E-Sky's $35 head-lock gyro and the additional smootheness and stability is amazing.

Lloyd

[zen@lanset.com]

All you brand-new heli pilots need to do some serious flight research on the 'net before your next flying session:

http://www.dream-models.com/eco/flying-index.html
http://summer.phpwebhosting.com/~healtharts/heli/index.htm
http://www.walkera.cn/ (click on 'learning to fly')

Regarding the tail: it is necessary to set it up mechanically so there is full travel in both directions without making the servo buzz in either direction. Using Tx trim is not such a good idea, since it over-emphasizes one direction of yaw control at the expense of the other. Heading hold gyros are great, but properly adjusted rate gyros work fine. Increase or decrease the 'proportional' screw until the tail holds pretty well. Then turn up 'gain' until it wags back-and-forth. After that turn it down a bit until it stops wagging.

Good luck!

[Helipilot3]

A few suggestions for the newbies to helis:

Get a flight simulator for your PC. You don't need anything fancy like Great Planes Real Flight ($200) . For $20 you can get the E-sky Flight Simulator (EK2-0905A). It's more than adequate for the beginner to learn how to hover and move into basic forward flight. The time and money you'll spend on a simulator will save you 10 times the time and money you will otherwise spend on repairs.

If you've never flown before, find an experienced pilot to trim your machine out.

Build a test stand. Something you can tie the heli to but rotates freely. With a stand like this you can run the heli up safely, check blade tracking, balance and tail-rotor trim.

For the belt cp owners: If the rudder doesn't seem to work after a crash, it is most likely because the tail boom has been "pushed in". This slackens the belt drive and the tail rotor won't reach full RPM. To test this, hold you main gears and try to rotate the tail rotor by hand (don't use toot much force). If it rotates easily, your belt is loose. Loosen the bolts that clamp the boom in and slide it back out. Re-tighten.

If you using the stock e-sky transmitter, it does not have any throttle-tail rotor mixing. As you increase the RPM's on the main rotor it creates more and more torque that needs to be offset by the tail rotor. Quick changes in throttle produce a lot of torque. More sophisticated radios can be programmed to increase/decrease tail rotor pitch in response to throttle changes. The e-sky tx does not have this and relies on the gyro to offset the effect. The stock gyro is a little slow so it does not adequately respond to quick throttle changes. The sudden yaw with a throttle change can be unexpected and unsettling for the new pilot. Bottom line here is to try to get the tail set up so there's little or no rotation with neutral trim while in a stable hover. Again, you should get an experienced pilot to help with this.

Another good resource to have is Ray's Complete Helicopter Manual (available through Amazon) It was written back in the 90's before there were any electric helis and there were only nitro's. You probably won't find the parts on engines very useful but everything else about balancing, set up and trim is still valid. Its written in a way that's easy to understand.

Remember! Every flight starts and ends with a hover. Learn to hover first. When you have a rock-solid hover, move in to forward flight.

[roooosh]

hi there
its roooosh im a beginner with belt cp & all the same i crashed mine from about 2ft of the ground ive allso burnt out the speed controller now ,but i do have a sim for it & i am doing my home work (ie reading like hell ) its all you can do just keep useing the sim & get good at it , i am waiting for loads of parts at the moment , getting them all from hong kong , so i will slowley set it back up as i train on my sim , going on you tube & waching some of the setup vids makes some of the basic stuff able to understand hope this helps .......................roooosh