heli & realflight

[Richard]

Hi was wondering if this sim is realistic
if i can fly a heli on this sim does this mean i should be able to fly a
real model?

[Philip Martin]

"Richard" <ablaze@mts.net> wrote in message
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> Hi was wondering if this sim is realistic
> if i can fly a heli on this sim does this mean i should be able to fly a
> real model?
>
Hmmm, maybe!

The one big difference between any sim and the real world is that in a sim
you just hit the reset key when you crash. In the real world you hit your
bank balance!

To date I have only used the free sim's, FMS and Pre-Flight. I find Pre
Flight to be the better of the two, this because you can alter a shed load
of parameters and make it had to fly, always worthwhile. In fact I can do a
whole load of things on the sim that I wouldn't even dream of (yet) doing to
my heli. But then it don't cost nowt if it goes belly up:o)

As a guide though I would say that if you can hover in the sim you stand a
better chance of doing it for real, and getting away without a visit to the
bank!

Phil Martin.

[Brian Standing]

Speaking from personal experience I went straight from sim. to flying the
real thing with no issues with regards to normal flying and that was using
G2 but the speed does catch you out as it seems alot faster in real life.
Just because I was fine does not mean that it will suit everyone but it
does teach you the correct reactions. God knows what people did before sims.
came about, I'm not sure that I would have had the patience or the money to
see it through.

[Guy Nicholas]

> if i can fly a heli on this sim does this mean i should be able to fly a
> real model?

I own RealFlight G2 and have tried out FMS. I find RealFlight to be fairly
realistic. FMS on the other hand I didn't find realistic at all. I found
that I could lock it into a hover, go get a cup of coffee, and when I
returned it would still be locked in a hover. RealFlight is much more
realistic in that regard.

I would also say that the sim is not just for beginners. I still use it to
practice new manuvers, or combinations of manuvers. When I get really
comfortable with it on the sim I then take it to the field. It is also
great now that winter is here and we can't fly as much :)

Later, Guy

[Andrew Konosky]

Richard wrote:
> Hi was wondering if this sim is realistic
> if i can fly a heli on this sim does this mean i should be able to fly a
> real model?
>
>

I can hover nose-in inverted, auto inverted and roll over and land, and
right now I'm working on inverted funnels on the sim(G2), but I haven't
even tried to do anything but hover on my Shuttle, partly because I
don't trust the engine. I've had 2 succesful autos from about 10ft
hovers, and on Thanksgiving day I lost the T/R control when I a screw
came loose, but I was only about 7ft, and managed to land without damage.

If I could get my heli to stay in the air, I would probably be making
faster progress, but its a lot more scary than the sim, especially if
your heli doesn't like you.

Another thing that plays a big part ois the heli you fly on the sim, and
the one you fly for real. I have a 30 with wood blades, but on the sim I
fly a 60(boosted power to be like 80-90) with carbon blades and a
governer, and no wind. Theres always wind when I go to the field. I
usually try to practice hovering in high wind on the sim before I got
fly. Another problem is that I don't have a HH gyro, but I use one on
the sim. I'm gonna get a 401 soon.

[Beav]

"Martin Petzold" <econ@loxinfo.co.th> wrote in message
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> I'd go with Phil - if you can hover on the sim then you should be able to
do
> the real thing too. Hovering, I mean. And the fear factor is a more
serious
> thing than it may seem, especially in the beginning.
> As for acrobatics, all sims I know are a bit too forgiving and optimistic.
> To my experience, even if I set my sim up until it feels like my heli in
FF
> (which involves cutting a good 1/3 of my engine power), I still can do
> countless rolls in a row - unrealistic. But at least they give you some
idea
> of what works how. Training tool.
> But it stands: the major difference is the psychological factor you
plainly
> experience in the field only.
>
> Martin
> (who just came home again to play with the baby's)

Play with the baby's WHAT????? :-)



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[David Smith]

"Andrew Konosky" <TerranAce007@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> Richard wrote:
> > Hi was wondering if this sim is realistic
> > if i can fly a heli on this sim does this mean i should be able to fly a
> > real model?
> >
> >
>
> I can hover nose-in inverted, auto inverted and roll over and land, and
> right now I'm working on inverted funnels on the sim(G2), but I haven't
> even tried to do anything but hover on my Shuttle, partly because I
> don't trust the engine. I've had 2 succesful autos from about 10ft
> hovers, and on Thanksgiving day I lost the T/R control when I a screw
> came loose, but I was only about 7ft, and managed to land without damage.
>
> If I could get my heli to stay in the air, I would probably be making
> faster progress, but its a lot more scary than the sim, especially if
> your heli doesn't like you.
>
> Another thing that plays a big part ois the heli you fly on the sim, and
> the one you fly for real. I have a 30 with wood blades, but on the sim I
> fly a 60(boosted power to be like 80-90) with carbon blades and a
> governer, and no wind. Theres always wind when I go to the field. I
> usually try to practice hovering in high wind on the sim before I got
> fly. Another problem is that I don't have a HH gyro, but I use one on
> the sim. I'm gonna get a 401 soon.
>

If you are flying like that, then you are treating the sim as a computer
game. You need to plan what you are going to do and try to keep sim work in
sync with field work.

I learnt to fly the model first, THEN got a sim. I was very disappointed
with the sims, I have had CSM10, RF G2, tried FMS (as someone else said,
rubbish for helis) and now use (though rarely) Preflight, which I think is
as good as G2 but much cheaper.

It does take some discipline to USE the sim rather than simply play with it,
but you need to develop that if the sim flying is going to be transferable
to the field.

--
Dave S, Kuusankoski, Finland.

My return address requires modification before use.
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/david.smith/helicopters/

[Martin Petzold]

I'd go with Phil - if you can hover on the sim then you should be able to do
the real thing too. Hovering, I mean. And the fear factor is a more serious
thing than it may seem, especially in the beginning.
As for acrobatics, all sims I know are a bit too forgiving and optimistic.
To my experience, even if I set my sim up until it feels like my heli in FF
(which involves cutting a good 1/3 of my engine power), I still can do
countless rolls in a row - unrealistic. But at least they give you some idea
of what works how. Training tool.
But it stands: the major difference is the psychological factor you plainly
experience in the field only.

Martin
(who just came home again to play with the baby's)