What's a good R/C helicopter kit for a newbie ???

[TJM]

Hi all,

I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli, or
should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap beginner
heli (under $1000)?

Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do R/C
helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?

Thanks for all your help,
TJM

[John Banks]

Century helis are by far the best helicopters in the whole wide world.
You'd be foolish not to buy one.

DO NOT touch Thunder Tiger....THEY SUCK! They don't fly very good at all.

Very very rubbishy really.

CENTURY - HELIS FIT FOR JEHOVAH!



"TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli, or
> should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
> software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap beginner
> heli (under $1000)?
>
> Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do R/C
> helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
>
> Thanks for all your help,
> TJM
>
>

[TJM]

I perused the Century site and they do seem to have some nice models. One
thing I noticed is that they are all gas-powered engines, no? Are electric
helis better or worse than gas-powered, and why?

Thanks again...
TJM


"John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:o05K9.5415$721.4303@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Century helis are by far the best helicopters in the whole wide world.
> You'd be foolish not to buy one.
>
> DO NOT touch Thunder Tiger....THEY SUCK! They don't fly very good at all.
>
> Very very rubbishy really.
>
> CENTURY - HELIS FIT FOR JEHOVAH!
>
>
>
> "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli,
or
> > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
> > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap
beginner
> > heli (under $1000)?
> >
> > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do
R/C
> > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> >
> > Thanks for all your help,
> > TJM
> >
> >
>
>

[TJM]

The Hawk Sport does seem like a good beginner helicopter, and great price to
match! Are gas-powered helis the best for beginners? I would think
electric-powered helis are lower maintenance machines, although the gas
models provide more realism. Whats the main differences between gas &
electric powered helis?

Thanks.....TJM


"GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote in message
news:%S4K9.4404$Ex6.1000574@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> Go to http://www.centuryheli.com
> Check out Century's new Hawk Sport. R /C Heli's will teach you yhe basic
> theory & mechanics of full scale helicopters!
> Have fun
> "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli,
or
> > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
> > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap
beginner
> > heli (under $1000)?
> >
> > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do
R/C
> > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> >
> > Thanks for all your help,
> > TJM
> >
> >
>
>

[David Smith]

"John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:o05K9.5415$721.4303@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Century helis are by far the best helicopters in the whole wide world.
> You'd be foolish not to buy one.
>
> DO NOT touch Thunder Tiger....THEY SUCK! They don't fly very good at all.
>
> Very very rubbishy really.
>
> CENTURY - HELIS FIT FOR JEHOVAH!

I think we should start a movement back to fixed pitch helis with no gyros &
4 channel radios - fundamentalist helis!

Dave S
>
>
>
> "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli,
or
> > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
> > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap
beginner
> > heli (under $1000)?
> >
> > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do
R/C
> > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> >
> > Thanks for all your help,
> > TJM
> >
> >
>
>

[John Banks]

For an electric heli to be any good, you'd have to spend more than you would
on a similar spec'd IC (glow) powered model. This is due to the cost of
brushless motors, speed controllers, battery packs and chargers. A good
motor setup (all the aforementioned bits) would cost around $500 alone. A
good 30 glow engine is $120. Get the picture?

John


"TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
news:uvhnlep677et1d@corp.supernews.com...
> I perused the Century site and they do seem to have some nice models. One
> thing I noticed is that they are all gas-powered engines, no? Are
electric
> helis better or worse than gas-powered, and why?
>
> Thanks again...
> TJM
>
>
> "John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:o05K9.5415$721.4303@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > Century helis are by far the best helicopters in the whole wide world.
> > You'd be foolish not to buy one.
> >
> > DO NOT touch Thunder Tiger....THEY SUCK! They don't fly very good at
all.
> >
> > Very very rubbishy really.
> >
> > CENTURY - HELIS FIT FOR JEHOVAH!
> >
> >
> >
> > "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> > news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> > > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> > > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a
heli,
> or
> > > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos
or
> > > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap
> beginner
> > > heli (under $1000)?
> > >
> > > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do
> R/C
> > > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your help,
> > > TJM
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[David Smith]

"TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
news:uvhnshtdfe7q6c@corp.supernews.com...
> The Hawk Sport does seem like a good beginner helicopter, and great price
to
> match! Are gas-powered helis the best for beginners? I would think
> electric-powered helis are lower maintenance machines, although the gas
> models provide more realism. Whats the main differences between gas &
> electric powered helis?
>
> Thanks.....TJM

electric power tend to be easily broken, as the parts have to be light to
counter the low power output and hevay batteries. Unlöess you spend a LOT of
mioney on a decent motor & speed controller, the flight times are usually
pretty short, too. With a glow engine, running methanol/nitro & oil, you can
fly for 10 to 15 minutes, land, refuel and do it again..and again...


--
Dave S, Kuusankoski, Finland.

My return address requires modification before use.
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/david.smith/helicopters/

[John Banks]

Great idea.

All this new fangled gizzometry makes flying toy choppers a tad boring
really. A bit like some of the contributors to this NG (you excluded).
Maybe we could START with a Century as a basis and modify it.

I would start with whopping great lashings of superglue on the swashplate to
stop it moving up and down. Then perhaps, using a 5 axis CNC milling
centre, modify all the close fitting components so as to gain a modicum of
extra clearance where it's needed.

Hmmm yeeeeesss, I can see it now....

Wibbly wobbly bliss

John


"David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
news:Bf5K9.456$ke5.226@read3.inet.fi...
>
> "John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:o05K9.5415$721.4303@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > Century helis are by far the best helicopters in the whole wide world.
> > You'd be foolish not to buy one.
> >
> > DO NOT touch Thunder Tiger....THEY SUCK! They don't fly very good at
all.
> >
> > Very very rubbishy really.
> >
> > CENTURY - HELIS FIT FOR JEHOVAH!
>
> I think we should start a movement back to fixed pitch helis with no gyros
&
> 4 channel radios - fundamentalist helis!
>
> Dave S
> >
> >
> >
> > "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> > news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> > > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> > > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a
heli,
> or
> > > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos
or
> > > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap
> beginner
> > > heli (under $1000)?
> > >
> > > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do
> R/C
> > > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your help,
> > > TJM
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[David Smith]

Too late, John, you just described my poor old Nexus. Looks like this
newsgroup has about two people left on it tonight!

--
Dave S

"John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Br5K9.5657$721.2091@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Great idea.
>
> All this new fangled gizzometry makes flying toy choppers a tad boring
> really. A bit like some of the contributors to this NG (you excluded).
> Maybe we could START with a Century as a basis and modify it.
>
> I would start with whopping great lashings of superglue on the swashplate
to
> stop it moving up and down. Then perhaps, using a 5 axis CNC milling
> centre, modify all the close fitting components so as to gain a modicum of
> extra clearance where it's needed.
>
> Hmmm yeeeeesss, I can see it now....
>
> Wibbly wobbly bliss
>
> John
>
>
> "David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
> news:Bf5K9.456$ke5.226@read3.inet.fi...
> >
> > "John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:o05K9.5415$721.4303@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > > Century helis are by far the best helicopters in the whole wide world.
> > > You'd be foolish not to buy one.
> > >
> > > DO NOT touch Thunder Tiger....THEY SUCK! They don't fly very good at
> all.
> > >
> > > Very very rubbishy really.
> > >
> > > CENTURY - HELIS FIT FOR JEHOVAH!
> >
> > I think we should start a movement back to fixed pitch helis with no
gyros
> &
> > 4 channel radios - fundamentalist helis!
> >
> > Dave S
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> > > news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a
total
> > > > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> > > > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a
> heli,
> > or
> > > > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good
videos
> or
> > > > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap
> > beginner
> > > > heli (under $1000)?
> > > >
> > > > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real
helicopter....do
> > R/C
> > > > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all your help,
> > > > TJM
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[GYRO]

Go to http://www.centuryheli.com
Check out Century's new Hawk Sport. R /C Heli's will teach you yhe basic
theory & mechanics of full scale helicopters!
Have fun
"TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli, or
> should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
> software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap beginner
> heli (under $1000)?
>
> Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do R/C
> helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
>
> Thanks for all your help,
> TJM
>
>

[John Banks]

My presence is obviously driving everyone away.

I might (Jehovah forbid) let something offensive slip out.

2p

Shit! See what I mean?

John

"David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
news:rI5K9.478$ke5.372@read3.inet.fi...
> Too late, John, you just described my poor old Nexus. Looks like this
> newsgroup has about two people left on it tonight!
>
> --
> Dave S
>
> "John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Br5K9.5657$721.2091@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > Great idea.
> >
> > All this new fangled gizzometry makes flying toy choppers a tad boring
> > really. A bit like some of the contributors to this NG (you excluded).
> > Maybe we could START with a Century as a basis and modify it.
> >
> > I would start with whopping great lashings of superglue on the
swashplate
> to
> > stop it moving up and down. Then perhaps, using a 5 axis CNC milling
> > centre, modify all the close fitting components so as to gain a modicum
of
> > extra clearance where it's needed.
> >
> > Hmmm yeeeeesss, I can see it now....
> >
> > Wibbly wobbly bliss
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > "David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
> > news:Bf5K9.456$ke5.226@read3.inet.fi...
> > >
> > > "John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:o05K9.5415$721.4303@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > > > Century helis are by far the best helicopters in the whole wide
world.
> > > > You'd be foolish not to buy one.
> > > >
> > > > DO NOT touch Thunder Tiger....THEY SUCK! They don't fly very good
at
> > all.
> > > >
> > > > Very very rubbishy really.
> > > >
> > > > CENTURY - HELIS FIT FOR JEHOVAH!
> > >
> > > I think we should start a movement back to fixed pitch helis with no
> gyros
> > &
> > > 4 channel radios - fundamentalist helis!
> > >
> > > Dave S
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a
> total
> > > > > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take
a
> > > > > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a
> > heli,
> > > or
> > > > > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good
> videos
> > or
> > > > > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap
> > > beginner
> > > > > heli (under $1000)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real
> helicopter....do
> > > R/C
> > > > > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for all your help,
> > > > > TJM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[David Smith]

"John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0Q5K9.97$5W6.28@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> My presence is obviously driving everyone away.
>
> I might (Jehovah forbid) let something offensive slip out.
>
> 2p
>
> Shit! See what I mean?
>
> John
>
Thank J (careful, now..) for that, I thought it was ME!

I wouldn't be here wasting so much time if only I could get out and FLY my
helis!!!!

Dave

> > > > >
> > > > > "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a
> > total
> > > > > > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to
take
> a
> > > > > > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain
a
> > > heli,
> > > > or
> > > > > > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good
> > videos
> > > or
> > > > > > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a
cheap
> > > > beginner
> > > > > > heli (under $1000)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real
> > helicopter....do
> > > > R/C
> > > > > > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for all your help,
> > > > > > TJM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Christer Buschman]

Hi.

I have had some different helicopters...
Kyosho
Hirobo
Sluter/Robbe
Eco (electric)
Then, I discovered Thunder Tiger...

No doubt, Thunder Tiger is my best choice so far.

If you spend some time on assembly and stay clear of the ARF kits,
you get a 100% slop free great flying machine.

All of my raptors (30, 50, 60 & 90) fly on a straight line
forever on full power forward flight hands off.
Not even my Robbe did that, had it for 2 weeks,
my Raptor 60 and 90 was better in the air.
Got rid of it, the Robbe machine I mean.

My raptor 60 (my oldest helicopter) has been so
mutch in the air that I am running on my second
OS 61 WC enigne. The first one is worn out.

I haven't even changed one single link on my raptor 60.

Hirobo makes good helicopters,
but it's almost impossible to make the rotor setup 100% slop free.
I don't like ANY slop in the rotor or tail setup.

No, I haven't seen anything better than Thunder Tiger yet,
and I have spend over 21.000 USD on helicopters in 1 1/2 year... If my wife
knew...
Kyosho really sucks, except for the Caliber 60, great machine.

Haven't tried Xcell, is Xcell any good ?

I don't look at the price because I have learned that expensive don't mean
high quality.

Go For Thunder Tiger !!!

Chris.


"TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> skrev i melding
news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli, or
> should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
> software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap beginner
> heli (under $1000)?
>
> Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do R/C
> helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
>
> Thanks for all your help,
> TJM
>
>

[Philip Martin]

"John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0Q5K9.97$5W6.28@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> My presence is obviously driving everyone away.
>
> I might (Jehovah forbid) let something offensive slip out.
>
> 2p
>
Ohh Christ, the J word again, this is all getting toooo much.

OK so lets focus the mind then. You are obviously a Century expert (going on
some of your threads), so answer this one then.

What's the exact size of the box the Hawk IV comes in (allowing 5mm all
round for extra packing)?

I dropped a heavy hint a couple of weeks ago and today a parcel arrived from
Midland Heli for the wife!!! And she wont let me open it!!!! I wonder if the
hints for the FF9 and GV1 landed as well?

Confused,

Phil Martin.



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[Philip Martin]

"Christer Buschman" <buschman@online.no> wrote in message
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> Haven't tried Xcell, is Xcell any good ?
>
Got an X-Cell 60 pro, absolutely superb.

Phil Martin.


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[John Banks]

Uuum...

Ehmmm...

Ocht damnit...

No, no wait...

Oh shit, shit, I KNOW this one...

Nah, it's gone.

Shit...




"Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:atavlo$124go0$1@ID-129488.news.dfncis.de...
>
> "John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:0Q5K9.97$5W6.28@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > My presence is obviously driving everyone away.
> >
> > I might (Jehovah forbid) let something offensive slip out.
> >
> > 2p
> >
> Ohh Christ, the J word again, this is all getting toooo much.
>
> OK so lets focus the mind then. You are obviously a Century expert (going
on
> some of your threads), so answer this one then.
>
> What's the exact size of the box the Hawk IV comes in (allowing 5mm all
> round for extra packing)?
>
> I dropped a heavy hint a couple of weeks ago and today a parcel arrived
from
> Midland Heli for the wife!!! And she wont let me open it!!!! I wonder if
the
> hints for the FF9 and GV1 landed as well?
>
> Confused,
>
> Phil Martin.
>
>
>
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[John Banks]

Aha...

I can tell you what size of box the GV1 comes in....

170mm x 140mm x 55mm +/-2mm


"Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:atavlo$124go0$1@ID-129488.news.dfncis.de...
>
> "John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:0Q5K9.97$5W6.28@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > My presence is obviously driving everyone away.
> >
> > I might (Jehovah forbid) let something offensive slip out.
> >
> > 2p
> >
> Ohh Christ, the J word again, this is all getting toooo much.
>
> OK so lets focus the mind then. You are obviously a Century expert (going
on
> some of your threads), so answer this one then.
>
> What's the exact size of the box the Hawk IV comes in (allowing 5mm all
> round for extra packing)?
>
> I dropped a heavy hint a couple of weeks ago and today a parcel arrived
from
> Midland Heli for the wife!!! And she wont let me open it!!!! I wonder if
the
> hints for the FF9 and GV1 landed as well?
>
> Confused,
>
> Phil Martin.
>
>
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[Philip Martin]

"John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Aha...
>
> I can tell you what size of box the GV1 comes in....
>
> 170mm x 140mm x 55mm +/-2mm
>
Hmmm, what lovely dimensions;o)


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[Bill Price]

Hi,

I don't know who John Banks is, but he is totally out of line and not very
helpful.

The very best heli for a newbie, without question, is the one the local
pilots have a lot of experience with. Go down to the local club and ask as
many questions as you can think up. You'll get umpteen opinions, as you
will on this NG, but you will also find several pilots who will offer to
help you get in the air. The help of an experienced pilot, even one who can
only hover, is more valuable than any advice you can get from a book or the
NG. One of the glories of this hobby is there are very very few pilots,
even among the true experts, who won't take some time to help an eager
beginner.

As for brands, all of the new 30-size helis are great for beginners: Nexus,
Shuttle, Raptor, and yes, even Century. To anticipate your next post, you
must also select a radio, servos, a gyro, and an engine. When you've got
all of this sorted out, there is a huge amount of learning to be done in
setting it up, getting it in the air, and keeping it airworthy. This is
tough enough for a seasoned pilot, it is an expensive bad dream for a
beginner trying to do it alone (I did it that way, I know). Ask the local
pilots for help, it will get you over the hump and into the fun part as
quickly as possible.

Learning to fly the full-size helis is a bit easier if you can fly the
models. The instructor complimented me on achieving a sort-of stable hover
after only thirty minutes. She quietly took me down by telling me to "face
that traffic cone and do a slow nose-in 360 around it".

The few full-size heli pilots I know all say the models are harder to fly.

Anyhoo, don't give up on the newsgroup, there is lot of good advice to be
had here, although there is none better than first-hand.

Welcome to the hobby,

Bill

"TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli, or
> should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
> software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap beginner
> heli (under $1000)?
>
> Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do R/C
> helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
>
> Thanks for all your help,
> TJM
>
>

[David Smith]

"Christer Buschman" <buschman@online.no> wrote in message
news:%h6K9.482$CG6.11722@news4.e.nsc.no...
> Hi.
>
> I have had some different helicopters...
> Kyosho
> Hirobo
> Sluter/Robbe
> Eco (electric)
> Then, I discovered Thunder Tiger...
>
> No doubt, Thunder Tiger is my best choice so far.
>
> If you spend some time on assembly and stay clear of the ARF kits,
> you get a 100% slop free great flying machine.
>
> All of my raptors (30, 50, 60 & 90) fly on a straight line
> forever on full power forward flight hands off.
> Not even my Robbe did that, had it for 2 weeks,
> my Raptor 60 and 90 was better in the air.
> Got rid of it, the Robbe machine I mean.
>
> My raptor 60 (my oldest helicopter) has been so
> mutch in the air that I am running on my second
> OS 61 WC enigne. The first one is worn out.
>
> I haven't even changed one single link on my raptor 60.
>
> Hirobo makes good helicopters,
> but it's almost impossible to make the rotor setup 100% slop free.
> I don't like ANY slop in the rotor or tail setup.
>
> No, I haven't seen anything better than Thunder Tiger yet,
> and I have spend over 21.000 USD on helicopters in 1 1/2 year... If my
wife
> knew...
> Kyosho really sucks, except for the Caliber 60, great machine.
>
> Haven't tried Xcell, is Xcell any good ?
>
> I don't look at the price because I have learned that expensive don't mean
> high quality.
>
> Go For Thunder Tiger !!!
>
> Chris.
>
Chris,

I agree that TT make good helis, I have a Raptor 50 with a TT50 engine and
it is a great little heli, but I also had a couple of Kyosho Concept VRs
that were also very nice - but the Raptor has much cheaper spares.

Very clever, posting how much you have spent and that your wife doesn't
know...I think 100 Euros to each of us for our silence? :)

Friend of mine has recently started in helis and bought a pair of
second-hand X cell 60s, he is making good progress with his flying (or was
until the weather stopped us), certainly he is getting there faster than I
did with a Nexus.

Cheers,
--
Dave S, Kuusankoski, Finland.

My return address requires modification before use.
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/david.smith/helicopters/
(you know where to send the money!)

[David Smith]

"Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:atb01p$12jk85$1@ID-129488.news.dfncis.de...
>
> "Christer Buschman" <buschman@online.no> wrote in message
> news:%h6K9.482$CG6.11722@news4.e.nsc.no...
> > Haven't tried Xcell, is Xcell any good ?
> >
> Got an X-Cell 60 pro, absolutely superb.
>
> Phil Martin.
>
>
Better than your Nexus, Phil?
--
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[David Smith]

"John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:BJ7K9.735$w87.433@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Aha...
>
> I can tell you what size of box the GV1 comes in....
>
> 170mm x 140mm x 55mm +/-2mm
>
Damn that man, he's taunting me again.
DaveS

[David Smith]

To the best of my knowledge, John Banks does not own a Century, but there
has recently been someone here who always tells any poster to buy Century,
no matter what. I think John was having a pop at HIM, not the OP.

Some of us live in places where we can't fly in the winter and the cabin
fever has obviously set in already...some of MY posts should confirm that!

--
Dave S, Kuusankoski, Finland.

My return address requires modification before use.
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"Bill Price" <Bill@classTools.com> wrote in message
news:9gbK9.10729$K5.2041@fe01...
> Hi,
>
> I don't know who John Banks is, but he is totally out of line and not very
> helpful.
>
> The very best heli for a newbie, without question, is the one the local
> pilots have a lot of experience with. Go down to the local club and ask
as
> many questions as you can think up. You'll get umpteen opinions, as you
> will on this NG, but you will also find several pilots who will offer to
> help you get in the air. The help of an experienced pilot, even one who
can
> only hover, is more valuable than any advice you can get from a book or
the
> NG. One of the glories of this hobby is there are very very few pilots,
> even among the true experts, who won't take some time to help an eager
> beginner.
>
> As for brands, all of the new 30-size helis are great for beginners:
Nexus,
> Shuttle, Raptor, and yes, even Century. To anticipate your next post, you
> must also select a radio, servos, a gyro, and an engine. When you've got
> all of this sorted out, there is a huge amount of learning to be done in
> setting it up, getting it in the air, and keeping it airworthy. This is
> tough enough for a seasoned pilot, it is an expensive bad dream for a
> beginner trying to do it alone (I did it that way, I know). Ask the local
> pilots for help, it will get you over the hump and into the fun part as
> quickly as possible.
>
> Learning to fly the full-size helis is a bit easier if you can fly the
> models. The instructor complimented me on achieving a sort-of stable
hover
> after only thirty minutes. She quietly took me down by telling me to
"face
> that traffic cone and do a slow nose-in 360 around it".
>
> The few full-size heli pilots I know all say the models are harder to fly.
>
> Anyhoo, don't give up on the newsgroup, there is lot of good advice to be
> had here, although there is none better than first-hand.
>
> Welcome to the hobby,
>
> Bill
>
> "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli,
or
> > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
> > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap
beginner
> > heli (under $1000)?
> >
> > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do
R/C
> > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> >
> > Thanks for all your help,
> > TJM
> >
> >
>
>
>

[John Banks]

Sorry Bill

Most modern helis are very good. David was right, I was having a pop at
another poster before he could chime in with his utterly biased response.
If you were a follower of the group, you'd know who I mean.

I admit my reply was not helpful to a newbie - sorry.

I am a relative newbie also and fly a Raptor30. I love it!


John

"Bill Price" <Bill@classTools.com> wrote in message
news:9gbK9.10729$K5.2041@fe01...
> Hi,
>
> I don't know who John Banks is, but he is totally out of line and not very
> helpful.
>
> The very best heli for a newbie, without question, is the one the local
> pilots have a lot of experience with. Go down to the local club and ask
as
> many questions as you can think up. You'll get umpteen opinions, as you
> will on this NG, but you will also find several pilots who will offer to
> help you get in the air. The help of an experienced pilot, even one who
can
> only hover, is more valuable than any advice you can get from a book or
the
> NG. One of the glories of this hobby is there are very very few pilots,
> even among the true experts, who won't take some time to help an eager
> beginner.
>
> As for brands, all of the new 30-size helis are great for beginners:
Nexus,
> Shuttle, Raptor, and yes, even Century. To anticipate your next post, you
> must also select a radio, servos, a gyro, and an engine. When you've got
> all of this sorted out, there is a huge amount of learning to be done in
> setting it up, getting it in the air, and keeping it airworthy. This is
> tough enough for a seasoned pilot, it is an expensive bad dream for a
> beginner trying to do it alone (I did it that way, I know). Ask the local
> pilots for help, it will get you over the hump and into the fun part as
> quickly as possible.
>
> Learning to fly the full-size helis is a bit easier if you can fly the
> models. The instructor complimented me on achieving a sort-of stable
hover
> after only thirty minutes. She quietly took me down by telling me to "fac
e
> that traffic cone and do a slow nose-in 360 around it".
>
> The few full-size heli pilots I know all say the models are harder to fly.
>
> Anyhoo, don't give up on the newsgroup, there is lot of good advice to be
> had here, although there is none better than first-hand.
>
> Welcome to the hobby,
>
> Bill
>
> "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a heli,
or
> > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos or
> > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap
beginner
> > heli (under $1000)?
> >
> > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do
R/C
> > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> >
> > Thanks for all your help,
> > TJM
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Philip Martin]

"David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
news:eWeK9.24$Xn6.11@read3.inet.fi...
>
> "Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:atb01p$12jk85$1@ID-129488.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > "Christer Buschman" <buschman@online.no> wrote in message
> > news:%h6K9.482$CG6.11722@news4.e.nsc.no...
> > > Haven't tried Xcell, is Xcell any good ?
> > >
> > Got an X-Cell 60 pro, absolutely superb.
> >
> > Phil Martin.
> >
> >
> Better than your Nexus, Phil?
> --
Rolls Royce and Mini time Dave. Don't get me wrong I still like my Nexus but
what a difference flying the X-Cell:-)

This weekend, weather permitting, we are going for FF (with the Nexus),
decided it is time to give this a try. Hence the brown box for Christmas,
just in case I need a replacement 30 size. Hopefully all goes well and I'll
end up with two 30s, but then of course I'll have to source a 30 engine for
the Hawk. Maybe it will be time to trade the OS 61 for a 32 or something
similar?

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[GYRO]

I'll second the motion for Century Heli's!
I own 2 of them but stick with the OS engines
"David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
news:Bf5K9.456$ke5.226@read3.inet.fi...
>
> "John Banks" <zoomerman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:o05K9.5415$721.4303@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > Century helis are by far the best helicopters in the whole wide world.
> > You'd be foolish not to buy one.
> >
> > DO NOT touch Thunder Tiger....THEY SUCK! They don't fly very good at
all.
> >
> > Very very rubbishy really.
> >
> > CENTURY - HELIS FIT FOR JEHOVAH!
>
> I think we should start a movement back to fixed pitch helis with no gyros
&
> 4 channel radios - fundamentalist helis!
>
> Dave S
> >
> >
> >
> > "TJM" <tjm@cyberjunkie.com> wrote in message
> > news:uvhlc0pti1e79@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I am interested in joining the R/C helicopter hobby, but I am a total
> > > beginner and dont know where to start. Would it be better to take a
> > > tutorial at the local hobby club to learn how to fly & maintain a
heli,
> or
> > > should I just buy one and learn on my own? Are there any good videos
or
> > > software that make learning easier? Can anyone recommend a cheap
> beginner
> > > heli (under $1000)?
> > >
> > > Also, I have future aspirations to own & pilot a real helicopter....do
> R/C
> > > helis teach you the fundamentals to fly a real whirly bird?
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your help,
> > > TJM
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[David Smith]

"Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:atc7ba$12glrr$1@ID-129488.news.dfncis.de...
>
> "David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
> news:eWeK9.24$Xn6.11@read3.inet.fi...
> >
> > "Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:atb01p$12jk85$1@ID-129488.news.dfncis.de...
> > >
> > > "Christer Buschman" <buschman@online.no> wrote in message
> > > news:%h6K9.482$CG6.11722@news4.e.nsc.no...
> > > > Haven't tried Xcell, is Xcell any good ?
> > > >
> > > Got an X-Cell 60 pro, absolutely superb.
> > >
> > > Phil Martin.
> > >
> > >
> > Better than your Nexus, Phil?
> > --
> Rolls Royce and Mini time Dave. Don't get me wrong I still like my Nexus
but
> what a difference flying the X-Cell:-)
>
> This weekend, weather permitting, we are going for FF (with the Nexus),
> decided it is time to give this a try. Hence the brown box for Christmas,
> just in case I need a replacement 30 size. Hopefully all goes well and
I'll
> end up with two 30s, but then of course I'll have to source a 30 engine
for
> the Hawk. Maybe it will be time to trade the OS 61 for a 32 or something
> similar?
>
> Phil Martin.
>
Phil -

You have an X Cell pro and haven't yet moved out of the hover with the
Nexus? Lucky man!

I found the Nexus a good machine for learning FF as it doesn't seem to build
up speed as fast as my other models, when you start, you'll find the main
problem is keeping it reasonably slow.

Cheers,

Dave S

[Philip Martin]

"David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
news:SshK9.77$Xn6.29@read3.inet.fi...
>
> I found the Nexus a good machine for learning FF as it doesn't seem to
build
> up speed as fast as my other models, when you start, you'll find the main
> problem is keeping it reasonably slow.
>
I've already found that one. Been letting it go off forward and returning
it, also side to side movements, but yes once its going its gone! I've also
found that it will go up very easily but can be a bugger to get it down,
without digging a whole in the ground that is!!

Phil Martin.

[David Smith]

"Philip Martin" <philip.martin@wetnwild.co.uk> wrote in message
news:atcg34$o4q$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
>
> "David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
> news:SshK9.77$Xn6.29@read3.inet.fi...
> >
> > I found the Nexus a good machine for learning FF as it doesn't seem to
> build
> > up speed as fast as my other models, when you start, you'll find the
main
> > problem is keeping it reasonably slow.
> >
> I've already found that one. Been letting it go off forward and returning
> it, also side to side movements, but yes once its going its gone! I've
also
> found that it will go up very easily but can be a bugger to get it down,
> without digging a whole in the ground that is!!
>
> Phil Martin.
>
Small steps, Phil, that's how I did it, I was a long time hovering before I
let it go, but then I was always flying on my own. Don't let it get too high
or too fast, then it's less difficult getting it back into the hover.

Cheers,
Dave S

[Philip Martin]

"David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
news:a%lK9.224$Xn6.145@read3.inet.fi...
>
> >
> Small steps, Phil, that's how I did it, I was a long time hovering before
I
> let it go, but then I was always flying on my own. Don't let it get too
high
> or too fast, then it's less difficult getting it back into the hover.
>
Well, there was a break in the weather at lunchtime time today, so I rushed
round home and got the Nexus out. Decided to give it a wiz in the car park.
The only problem here is the bloody lamp posts, must get the council to
something about them!

We got up to some 50' high and buzzed around, including a couple of
circuits, all be it with the tail still pointing firmly at me. Great fun
though and I think I'm starting to get the hang of getting the bugger down
from that height. Back end was wobbling a bit, might have something to do
with the tail in landing a couple of weeks ago that stripped the teeth on
the main gear!

Roll on Sunday;o)

Phil Martin.

[David Smith]

"Philip Martin" <philip.martin@wetnwild.co.uk> wrote in message
news:atd274$9bn$1@venus.btinternet.com...
>
> "David Smith" <david.smith@no_spam_pp2.inet.fi> wrote in message
> news:a%lK9.224$Xn6.145@read3.inet.fi...
> >
> > >
> > Small steps, Phil, that's how I did it, I was a long time hovering
before
> I
> > let it go, but then I was always flying on my own. Don't let it get too
> high
> > or too fast, then it's less difficult getting it back into the hover.
> >
> Well, there was a break in the weather at lunchtime time today, so I
rushed
> round home and got the Nexus out. Decided to give it a wiz in the car
park.
> The only problem here is the bloody lamp posts, must get the council to
> something about them!
>
> We got up to some 50' high and buzzed around, including a couple of
> circuits, all be it with the tail still pointing firmly at me. Great fun
> though and I think I'm starting to get the hang of getting the bugger down
> from that height. Back end was wobbling a bit, might have something to do
> with the tail in landing a couple of weeks ago that stripped the teeth on
> the main gear!
>
> Roll on Sunday;o)
>
> Phil Martin.

At least you're still ale to get out and fly, wish I was!

Dave S
>
>
>

[James McGovern]

If you can hold out on puchasing a helicopter until February, I will be
selling them on my site for $449. I will guarantee that we will beat all
prices listed on purchases over $500 from Tower Hobbies by $100 or more.

[GYRO]

Only $499 now? They started off at only $349.
Probably end up at only $899.
Sounds like a BIG SCAM to me
"James McGovern" <james@j2eebible.com> wrote in message
news:ThNK9.4230$9z.1122161820@newssvr10.news.prodi gy.com...
> If you can hold out on puchasing a helicopter until February, I will be
> selling them on my site for $449. I will guarantee that we will beat all
> prices listed on purchases over $500 from Tower Hobbies by $100 or more.
>
>

[James]

There are different models available...

[Albert Homburwas]

I'm looking to see what his price is compared to cyberhile.

"GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote in message
news:LvPK9.6747$Ex6.1579915@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
> Only $499 now? They started off at only $349.
> Probably end up at only $899.
> Sounds like a BIG SCAM to me
> "James McGovern" <james@j2eebible.com> wrote in message
> news:ThNK9.4230$9z.1122161820@newssvr10.news.prodi gy.com...
> > If you can hold out on puchasing a helicopter until February, I will be
> > selling them on my site for $449. I will guarantee that we will beat all
> > prices listed on purchases over $500 from Tower Hobbies by $100 or more.
> >
> >
>
>

[stymye]

I've seen ads for a arf electric heli that "any" beginner can fly ...should
I believe these claims?
I don't remember the particular company

"James" <lesslaws@lesslaws.com> wrote in message
news:_V_K9.4363$xP1.1155925114@newssvr10.news.prod igy.com...
> There are different models available...
>
>

[Philip Martin]

"stymye" <stymye-jr@home.com> wrote in message
news:G_Scncq11uwE3JyjXTWcpQ@comcast.com...
> I've seen ads for a arf electric heli that "any" beginner can fly
....should
> I believe these claims?
> I don't remember the particular company
>
THAT, depends on your definition of 'fly'.

Having said that, try:

http://www.airscoot.com/

Although it is close to $1000 for an electric heli!!

Phil Martin.



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[mike@curious.net]

An unbiased opinion, I have had a Nexus 30, Hirobo Shuttle Challenge
and my latest is a JR VEnture, I can tell you I built and hovered the
Venture with NO PROBLEMS. The Manual is excdellent (although wrong in
a few spots) but very detailed.

I was able to get EVERYTHING I NEEDED for 742.50 from heliproz, and I
mean everything, tools, starter heli, EVERYTHING!


On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:11:32 GMT, "Albert Homburwas" <nonoe@nonr.com>
wrote:

>I'm looking to see what his price is compared to cyberhile.
>
>"GYRO" <Roto@golden.net> wrote in message
>news:LvPK9.6747$Ex6.1579915@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
>> Only $499 now? They started off at only $349.
>> Probably end up at only $899.
>> Sounds like a BIG SCAM to me
>> "James McGovern" <james@j2eebible.com> wrote in message
>> news:ThNK9.4230$9z.1122161820@newssvr10.news.prodi gy.com...
>> > If you can hold out on puchasing a helicopter until February, I will be
>> > selling them on my site for $449. I will guarantee that we will beat all
>> > prices listed on purchases over $500 from Tower Hobbies by $100 or more.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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[George Bush]

And you consider the $742 from Heliproz a good deal. We could have gotten
the same deal for you for only $499.