Micro SSX Biplane (Now Available)

[jkarpy]

Flying weight: Approx. 6 - 7oz. (with recommended setup) Wing Span: 21 1/2" Wing Area: 240 sq. inches Wing Loading: 3.6 oz./ sq. ft. Length: 18”

Introduction:
The MicroSSX™ Biplane Build Kit is a fun-to-fly and build classic biplane version of the popular Millennium R/C MicroSSX airplane. The MicroSSX™ Biplane has the same wing span and length as the original Micro SSX™, and is similar in that it is aerobatic and can handle the wind fairly well, but the Biplane is capable of sustaining slower flight due to its lower wing loading.

[jkarpy]

1. 1 decal set
2. 4 balsa sticks 3/32x3/32x24
3. 4 balsa sticks 1/16x3/32x24
4. 2 sheets 1/8 balsa laser cut parts
5. 2 sheets 1/16 balsa laser cut parts
6. 1 sheet 1/32 balsa laser cut parts
7. 3 sheets plywood laser cut parts
8. 6 Dubro micro control horns
9. 2 Dubro micro light wheels
10. 2 Dubro wheel retainers
11. 3 1-foot pieces of .031” piano wire for push rods, aileron linkage and tail skid
12. Preformed wire landing gear
13. 6 control horns
14. 2 micro light wheels
15. 2 micro wheel retainers
16. 15” Wrapped carbon fuselage
17. Carbon fiber struts
18. Velcro pads
19. Velcro “One Wrap” Battery strap (RED)
20. Double-stick foam tape (Used to hold speed control in position)
21. 8 # 0 - ¼ sheet metal screws (Servos & wing adjustment)
22. 2 # 1 – ¼ sheet metal screws (Motor)

Additional Items Required:

1. Cyanoacrylate or CA Glue (thin and thick)
2. Hobby knife
3. 220-grit sandpaper
4. Sanding block
5. Hinge tape (recommend 3M Scotch ™ ¾” Transparent Tape)
6. Ruler
7. Square
8. Razor saw
9. Hand drill or small drill with #56 (.046”) drill bit.
10. 1/16” drill bit.
11. Micro screwdriver set
12. Micro-receiver (recommend Castle Creations Berg)
13. Motor (recommend Hacker A10-12S brushless outrunner motor, 2900 Kv)
14. Speed control (recommend Hacker X-5, 5 amps, or equivalent)
15. Propeller (as recommended by motor manufacturer)
16. Four servos (less than 7 grams each, recommended. Ideal is 4 grams) Best choice servo is the new JR 185.
17. Battery (recommend 2-3 cell lithium polymer battery, 480-730 mAh) Please adhere to manufacturer’s safety guidelines.

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Step by Step

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The biplane has 8- 0.060” diameter carbon struts. 4 wing struts, 2 front and 2 center cross struts.
a. Wing struts: 4.840”
b. Front struts: 2.675”
c. Center cross struts: 5.000” (May need to be trimmed during installation)

To cut the carbon rods, use a sharp Exacto knife and a rolling action.

The cross struts are installed last.

Make sure they bottom out in the slots. Also make sure each set is exactly the same length. Do not install them until all warps are ironed out of the wings and told to do so in the instructions. Set them aside for now

Step 21 Tape a length of Scotch tape™ along the rear trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizer and secure with your finger (either side is fine). Now, flip the stabilizer and place on a work surface. See diagram below:

Step 22 Now, take the elevator. You will see that the elevator has a ‘beveled’ edge. This is important in creating the hinge. Ensure that the beveled edge is pointing up, and while holding at a 45° angle, place up against the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizer and secure the hinge tape to the elevator with your finger. See diagrams below:

Step 23 Turn the stabilizer assembly over, and carefully fold the elevator back onto the stabilizer.

Step 24 Tape another length of Scotch tape™ along the bottom hinge line and secure with your finger.

Step 25 Fold the elevator back to normal position. Test the hinge by pulling gently on the control surface. Cut off any excess tape overhanging the stabilizer sides.

Step 26 Repeat the steps 21. thru 25. for the rudder and ailerons.

Step 27 Build the servo tray. Fig 20


Step 29 (Fig 21) Slide P12A onto the fuselage stick and glue 6-1/4” from the tail end. Slide P12 onto the fuselage and leave it loose. Slide the tail mount onto the fuselage end and align it so that it is square with the flat edge of P12A. Glue it and allow the glue to dry. Secure P12 to P12A with 2 #0-1/4 screw. Do not glue P12 to P12A. Slide the servo assembly onto the front of the fuselage, align it so that it is square with the flat edge of P12A and glue it with CA glue.

Step 30 Slide the fuselage assembly through the front lower wing mount. P12 should be glued into the slot on the trailing edge of the wing. Align the wing so that it is parallel to the tail mount. Glue the tail section vertical and horizontal stabilizer together so they are square. Glue the tail assembly to the tail mount. Make sure it is parallel with the wing. Fig 22, 23 and 24

Step 31. Slide the landing gear assembly onto the fuselage. Align it parallel to all other components. It should be 2-1/32” from the front end of the fuselage. Fig 25

Step 32. Install four 4.840” carbon wing struts. Make sure struts are fully inserted into the wing before gluing with thin CA. Fig 24

Step 33. Install two 2.675” front struts. Make sure struts are fully inserted before gluing with thin CA. Fig 25

Step 34. Install upper wing, making sure struts are fully inserted into the wing before gluing with thin CA. Also install the carbon cross struts. Fig 26

Step 35. Install battery mount. Fig 27

Step 36. Install motor mount. The kit includes mounts to accommodate different motor types. Fig. 27

Step 37. Install wheels, tail skid, control horns, pushrods and radio equipment.

Step 38. The model should be balanced at the CG 1.2” back from the top wing spar. Incidence must be adjusted to “0” using the adjustable rear wing saddle P12.

Control throws: Rudder Full deflection
Elevator 20 degrees
Ailerons 20 degrees

More extreme throws can be used as desired.

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Details

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Latest instructions and drawings

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[jkarpy]

I my gosh- I have been looking for some a little different in a plane. I just found it. That is a great looking design. I have always wanted a biplane but have never found one that stood out to me. Yours looks like a great plane.

Thanks, kits are avilable. WWW.FlyERC.com


James

[jkarpy]

The Micro SSX Biplane is now shipping. I have also been updating the build thread with the latest info. Several past posts have been edited.


http://www.millenniumrc.com/Micro%20SSX%20Biplane.html

[mag1]

Would this be a good trainer type easy to fly plane? I've got 2 planes that I've put together, but seem to crash each time out. Both are in need of work at the moment, but I would like something that could be an easy to fly, slow if need be type plane. This looks like it would be a fun build.
Would a GBX single, 17T type motor work, or is that to much power? Thanks for any input.

[jkarpy]

Would this be a good trainer type easy to fly plane? I've got 2 planes that I've put together, but seem to crash each time out. Both are in need of work at the moment, but I would like something that could be an easy to fly, slow if need be type plane. This looks like it would be a fun build.
Would a GBX single, 17T type motor work, or is that to much power? Thanks for any input.

The motor needs to weigh 20 grams or less. The Micro SSX Biplane is not designed to be a trainer. I would recommend my X-Trainer.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784805

http://www.millenniumrc.com/X-Trainer.html

[Diggs]

James,

Has anyone shot video of this in action yet? If so, got a link?

Thanks,
Diggs

[jkarpy]

James,

Has anyone shot video of this in action yet? If so, got a link?

Thanks,
Diggs

I have, I will try and get it uploaded this week.

[BennettOZ84]

I just ordered the Biplane from James a few days ago, I am excited to get working on this new project. I will also update with picture and my building experience and as soon as I get it in the air I will update my flight experience. :)

Thanks again James, you were great to work with!

[tasonis]

What are your prop and battery reccomendations for the cd-rom style motor with the kit?

[jkarpy]

What are your prop and battery reccomendations for the cd-rom style motor with the kit?

Hey, looks great! I use a 7-3.5 GWS prop with a 3 cell battery. Use a 7-5 with 2 cells.

[Tha Hodgehound]

James, someone asked me if you had a full size SSX biplane (not the micro). I told him I did not think so. Are you planning on doing one?

[jkarpy]

James, someone asked me if you had a full size SSX biplane (not the micro). I told him I did not think so. Are you planning on doing one?


mmmmmmaybe ;)

[Roy Walton]

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[Tha Hodgehound]

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http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=789326

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Multi Color Covering

1. Cover the bottom of the wing first.
2. Make sure your glass is clean and smooth.
3. First, I cut the pieces of the covering. Make sure you cut the pieces with a 1/4” overlap.
4. Lay the pieces out onto the glass one at a time. Iron each piece to the glass as you move along. Do not forget the ¼” overlap.
5. Once you have all the pieces in place, turn the temperature up on the iron and seal all the seams.
6. Wait for the glass and covering to cool.
7. Peel the covering up from the glass. Do to put tension on the seams.
8. Place the covering on the wing and tack the four corners at the end ribs. Disregard the wing tips for now.
9. Tack the middle. Be sure to pull all the wrinkles out and continue tacking symmetrical points of the wing.
10. After all the wrinkles are gone, start at the center of the wing with the iron and in a sweeping motion work your way out to the last rib. Never apply pressure to the covering in the area between the ribs. Be careful to avoided applying too much heat to the seams.
11. Divide the wrinkles evenly throughout the wing tip. I then use the heat to shrink out the wrinkles. At the same time, I am pulling and stretching around the wing tip edge. I also use my fingers to brace the wing tip to prevent it from breaking. Use your thumb and index finger to grip the covering and the remaining fingers push the opposite side of the tip you are covering. If you have a hot grip glove, it helps. Ultracote Lite is best, but you should be able to get good results with Monokote.

I recommend covering the model with the Ultracote Lite.

Here are the stock numbers for the lite Ultracotes. Do not mistake standard transparent for lite transparent.

Ultracote Lite Transparent Yellow HANU967 http://www.gravesrc.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=HANU967 http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HANU967

Ultracote Lite Transparent Blue HANU969 http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HANU969

Ultracote Lite Transparent White HANU965 http://www.gravesrc.com/HANGER_9_ULTRACOTE_LITE_TRANSP_WH_p/hanu965.htm http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HANU965

Ultracote Lite Transparent Purple HANU968 http://www.gravesrc.com/HANGER_9_ULTRACOTE_LITE_TRANS_VIOLET_p/hanu968.htm http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HANU968

Ultracote Lite Transparent Clear HANU964 http://www.gravesrc.com/HANGER_9_ULTRACOTE_LITE_TRANS_CLEAR_p/hanu964.htm http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HANU964

Ultracote Lite Transparent RED HANU966 http://www.gravesrc.com/HANGER_9_ULTRACOTE_LITE_TRANS_RED_p/hanu966.htm http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HANU966

Ultracote Lite Transparent Scale White HANU973 http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HANU973


Ultracote lite can also be identified by the markings “ORALIGHT” on the backing. You can purchase these coverings from


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=1G4Qfv_Zcl4

[wing1]

Hello, I'm the one who bought and smashed my new plane at SEFF :( I am so ready to take on this experience like no other. I have to keep busy. I have two planes that need to be built and one that needs to be repaired on your board. I May come up sat. afternoon with the diet beer :D

[jkarpy]

Hello, I'm the one who bought and smashed my new plane at SEFF :( I am so ready to take on this experience like no other. I have to keep busy. I have two planes that need to be built and one that needs to be repaired on your board. I May come up sat. afternoon with the diet beer :D

It is good to here from you. I can do it Saturday but it will need to be before noon, Saturday evening we are driving down to Miami for mother’s day.

[MLT67]

I picked up the Bipe at SEFF along with your motor. What size lipo do I need to go with?

MLT

[jkarpy]

I picked up the Bipe at SEFF along with your motor. What size lipo do I need to go with?

MLT

Thanks! You need a TP 480 3S or equivalent.

[Diggs]

I picked up the Bipe at SEFF along with your motor. What size lipo do I need to go with?

MLT

I picked up the Bipe, but should have picked up that motor also. Great question on Lipo size. Will the TB 9 work with that motor on this setup? I need to snag a motor from you as well as some x-gear there mr. K

that little motor was rockin.

Diggs

[jkarpy]

I picked up the Bipe, but should have picked up that motor also. Great question on Lipo size. Will the TB 9 work with that motor on this setup? I need to snag a motor from you as well as some x-gear there mr. K

that little motor was rockin.

Diggs

I am adding the motor to my web site. but only for a limited time. I use the TB9 also.

[MLT67]

Approximatley how long of a flight time would I get with the 480? Also would a 730 be too big?


MLT

[wing1]

Hey, Sorry we couldn't hook up today. Tim and I were talking about coming for a build next Sat. What do you think? Can't wait to get this thing in the air. This is a great flying machine.
Jim

[jkarpy]

Approximatley how long of a flight time would I get with the 480? Also would a 730 be too big?


MLT

I get about an 8 minut flight from the 480 3S. I also use the 730 2S and 3S.

[jkarpy]

Hey, Sorry we couldn't hook up today. Tim and I were talking about coming for a build next Sat. What do you think? Can't wait to get this thing in the air. This is a great flying machine.
Jim

I may be going to Joe Nall this weekend. I will let you know what I am doing on Friday.

James

[rcproptester]

Hey James, looks like you are getting some good coverage in rcsportflyer.... just found this in the SEFF supplement.... way to Go!

[jkarpy]

Hey James, looks like you are getting some good coverage in rcsportflyer.... just found this in the SEFF supplement.... way to Go!

Thanks Jeff!

How did I miss this? What issue is it in?

[rcproptester]

the issue that just came in... August I believe

[mbragdon]

I decided to start on the bipe while waiting for the second trainer kit.

[jkarpy]

I decided to start on the bipe while waiting for the second trainer kit.

Your picture just reminded me I need to update the instructions to show the gussets on the wings. The little laser cut triangle pieces are glued to the leading, trailing edges and center ribs on the outside of the center ribs; where the center ribs are inserted into the leading and trailing edge.

James

[mbragdon]

I wondered what those little triangles were for. :o

[gmapilot]

Just finished mine and am awaiting the first flight. Covered the top of the wings in trans red and the bottoms in trans yellow. I did not use two servos for the wings but linked the ailerons together with a new horn and a small carbon rod.
Photos in a bit but this was a great kit to build.
Jay

[olmstead25]

do any of you have the auw of this.. we have an indoor limit of 6 oz but i think i should be able to keep it at or under there with a few modification

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do any of you have the auw of this.. we have an indoor limit of 6 oz but i think i should be able to keep it at or under there with a few modification

I was able to make one that weighed 6oz.

1. Pull-pull for rudder and elevator
2. 1 servo for ailerons
3. 9 gram motor from my website (Micro Indoor Power pack)
4. Move servos and electronics as far forward as possible.
5. Use blue arrow 3.6 gram servos.
6. 2 gram AR6300 receiver
7. 250 mAh 2 cell battery

[jkarpy]

I used Solite for this biplane.

[Tim Semeraro]

I was wateing to get a micro biplane, hopeing for a ARF kit. I have a little extra time On my hands due to a knee injury, so I ordered the build kit. J, is right when he says these kits are easy to build. the hardest part is covering the wings. I have done some cover repair work in the past, but this is my first complete build. I'm getting the new 3dx mini next.

[DesmoHead]

Time,

I'm there with you Tim! My 3DX arrived today. Gotta get building!! BTW- Your bipe looks great! What covering did you use?


-Eric

[Tim Semeraro]

Time,

I'm there with you Tim! My 3DX arrived today. Gotta get building!! BTW- Your bipe looks great! What covering did you use?


-Eric
Hi Eric,
You got me!, I used what I had left. I only had enough light weight, yellow(coverite)to do what you see here. I had enough red(monocote) to do the whole plane one color, but what fun would that be. So the end product is what you see here.I also have found there is no way I could do this with just a iron, I have a high end heat gun that works great. thanks, Tim

[jkarpy]

Hi Eric,
You got me!, I used what I had left. I only had enough light weight, yellow(coverite)to do what you see here. I had enough red(monocote) to do the whole plane one color, but what fun would that be. So the end product is what you see here.I also have found there is no way I could do this with just a iron, I have a high end heat gun that works great. thanks, Tim

Looks good, I see you have a Fury Motor. I have had great success with the Shulman Aviation Motors.

James

[DesmoHead]

Tim,

I did mine in transparent yellow Solite. I found it easy to work with just an iron. I've never worked with monocote. I wonder is it's thicker and therefore needs more BTU's to get moving. I spent yesterday afternoon cutting the links I'm going to use to tie my ailerons together. I cut them out of black modified acrylic on a CNC router. They came out pretty good for an amateur.

Cheers!
-Eric

[Tim Semeraro]

Eric, That sounds very cool, you might have to make me a set. the monocote is a little on the thick side, I was trying to make the lower wing a little stronger. If it's to heavy, it will give me a reason to buy a bigger motor. I am useing the schulmen fury, it's a good little motor. I used it on a couple of scratch built(my design),depron, edge 500 models. theay were so small and fast, theay were a handfull to fly. the guys at the field got a kick out of it. Thanks, Tim

[jkarpy]

Eric, That sounds very cool, you might have to make me a set. the monocote is a little on the thick side, I was trying to make the lower wing a little stronger. If it's to heavy, it will give me a reason to buy a bigger motor. I am useing the schulmen fury, it's a good little motor. I used it on a couple of scratch built(my design),depron, edge 500 models. theay were so small and fast, theay were a handfull to fly. the guys at the field got a kick out of it. Thanks, Tim

Don't forget to put the carbon crossover pieces on. You can see an example on post #1.

James

[DesmoHead]

Tim,

We'll see how they work. I made a bunch of 'em. If you want a set, PM me your address and I'll send you some to try. The tops have a .032 hole for a wire z-bend, the bottoms have a .063 for a quick link. I'm going to make tie rods out of carbon rod and use kevlar thread and CA to lash the wire to the carbon. I'm going for style points. If it all works, I'm going to start on a bomb release for mine :)


-Eric

[Tim Semeraro]

Thanks Eric, I sent you my info. I just finished my biplane. It's time to get a order together and start on my 3DX. J. Thanks, I did install the X brace, thanks for building great products.
Tim from CT.

[Spid]

I just finished mine. I like how it came out. I went with Transparent Red on the tops and Transparent White on teh bottoms. I also went with 1.45" DuBro Micro Sport wheels instead of the stock ones in the kit. Hopefully I can get the maiden in sometime soon, but the weather in Cleveland isn't too good this time of year to fly. Thanks for a great little kit. Here are some pics of the finished build.

~Kevin

[D.B. Hooper]

Having a few problems with D2 on the top wing. The servo cut outs don't line up. Also the D47 won't fit as they bottom out. Any suggestions?

[jkarpy]

Having a few problems with D2 on the top wing. The servo cut outs don't line up. Also the D47 won't fit as they bottom out. Any suggestions?

Looks like the servo deck was installed backward. You should have some plywood servo adapters that raise the D47 servos up. You need two per servo. If you got the D47 servos from me, the adapters should be in the servo box. I will try and post a picture Sunday.

[D.B. Hooper]

Looks like the servo deck was installed backward. You should have some plywood servo adapters that raise the D47 servos up. You need two per servo. If you got the D47 servos from me, the adapters should be in the servo box. I will try and post a picture Sunday.

OK I see them now. I guess I should have put them in before attaching D1 and D2? After looking closely I did get the servo deck in backward.

I got the adapter in and the servo fits now. Is it going to cause a problem now that it's forward 1/4" ?

Thanks

[jkarpy]

OK I see them now. I guess I should have put them in before attaching D1 and D2? After looking closely I did get the servo deck in backward.

I got the adapter in and the servo fits now. Is it going to cause a problem now that it's forward 1/4" ?

Thanks
The 1/4 " should not be a problem.

[D.B. Hooper]

The 1/4 " should not be a problem.
Ok I got the backward servo mount problem fixed :D

I was installing the upper wing when I noticed I have installed WB1 on the lower wing one space to the center.
The only solution I've come up with would be to beef up the W7 rib with some plywood scrap and drill new holes for the struts. :confused:

On step 31 installing the landing gear. Is the landing gear mount glued to the fuse? If so with what? My landing gear mount is louse on the fuse so CA won't hold. (epoxy?)

Step 35. I'm guessing the battery mount is glued on to the fuse and the landing gear mount?

I've put together 7 ARF's but this is my first kit build. Sorry for all the questions but.....After investing over $300 on this plane I'm not ready to give up on this build yet.

[Tim Semeraro]

Its glued to the fuslage and battery mount. I used thick CA, I hope this helps.
If you have to, J sells complete wings on his web sight. I think theay are around $35.00(built). good luck.

[jkarpy]

Ok I got the backward servo mount problem fixed :D

I was installing the upper wing when I noticed I have installed WB1 on the lower wing one space to the center.
The only solution I've come up with would be to beef up the W7 rib with some plywood scrap and drill new holes for the struts. :confused:

On step 31 installing the landing gear. Is the landing gear mount glued to the fuse? If so with what? My landing gear mount is louse on the fuse so CA won't hold. (epoxy?)

Step 35. I'm guessing the battery mount is glued on to the fuse and the landing gear mount?

I've put together 7 ARF's but this is my first kit build. Sorry for all the questions but.....After investing over $300 on this plane I'm not ready to give up on this build yet.

If you glued the plywood rib in the same spot on both wings, I think it will be ok. The battery mount is glued to the fuselage.

James

[D.B. Hooper]

If you glued the plywood rib in the same spot on both wings, I think it will be ok. The battery mount is glued to the fuselage.

James

Wish it where that easy... It's only the bottom wing. Everything else is in the right spot.

[jkarpy]

Wish it where that easy... It's only the bottom wing. Everything else is in the right spot.


I can send you the plywood ribs for the bottom wing. It would not be hard to replace the whole rib.

[D.B. Hooper]

I can send you the plywood ribs for the bottom wing. It would not be hard to replace the whole rib.

Thanks James, that may be the best bet. I'm not sure my fix would hold up.
I'll e-mail you my address at your web site.

[wing1]

Hey James,
I am the guy that crashed the plane at SEFF. I want you to know that I haven't ignored you or the plane. I have just built the new one and will start work on the old one soon. Look forward to seeing you at SEFF this year.
Jim

[wing1]

Just maidened it and all I can say is wow! I am fully impressed that I could fly what I built. I have never built a kit before and this has got me hooked. Thanks again, James, for the great kit!
Jim

[jkarpy]

Hey James,
I am the guy that crashed the plane at SEFF. I want you to know that I haven't ignored you or the plane. I have just built the new one and will start work on the old one soon. Look forward to seeing you at SEFF this year.
Jim

Hi Jim, that looks great. Good to hear from you. Are you going to the FITS event this coming weekend?

James

[wing1]

Dade City? I don't know....I might be able to go. I may have to ride though. I am training for a 200 mile bicycle ride.
Jim

[DesmoHead]

Has anyone used the D47's in the Bipe? I've run into a little problem in the lower wing. The short stringer that goes between the W1A ribs and supports the lower wing upper deck D3 doesn't seem to allow enough clearance for the aileron servo to sit in it's pocket. I think I understand that the D47's require the use of the small plywood spacers but this interference doesn't feel right. The servo stands proud of the wing about 1/8". Anyone else run into this?

-Eric

[jkarpy]

Has anyone used the D47's in the Bipe? I've run into a little problem in the lower wing. The short stringer that goes between the W1A ribs and supports the lower wing upper deck D3 doesn't seem to allow enough clearance for the aileron servo to sit in it's pocket. I think I understand that the D47's require the use of the small plywood spacers but this interference doesn't feel right. The servo stands proud of the wing about 1/8". Anyone else run into this?

-Eric

Are you using two of the plywood adapters? You may need to trim the stringer or add a shim under the plywood adapter. The D47 is a great servo, it's just a little tall.

I think I just trim the stringer.

James

[DesmoHead]

The gap is more than 2 shims worth. I can certainly trim/remove the stringer though. How do the HS45's fit? If they are a better fit I can always save the 47's for my 3DX.

-Eric

[jkarpy]

The gap is more than 2 shims worth. I can certainly trim/remove the stringer though. How do the HS45's fit? If they are a better fit I can always save the 47's for my 3DX.

-Eric
The HS45 requires a lot of triming.

[DesmoHead]

Got it all sorted out I think. Pulled to covering off, trimmed the spar and recovered. Looks pretty good if I dare say so. Worth noting though if anyone plans on using the D47's.

Now all I need is some warm weather! It's 12 F here right now!

-Eric

[Tim Semeraro]

HI ERIC,
I still haven't been able to maiden mine either. The weather is horrible in CT. I built 4 new planes this winter, and I'm on my fifth. They all need there maiden. I have one cheep, profile Katana with skis that I fly in the winter.

[D.B. Hooper]

Got it all sorted out I think. Pulled to covering off, trimmed the spar and recovered. Looks pretty good if I dare say so. Worth noting though if anyone plans on using the D47's.

Now all I need is some warm weather! It's 12 F here right now!

-Eric

Ok I'm back on track too! Got the Wb1 rib moved over where it should have been. I plan on using the AR6100 spektrum I'm hoping I won't need to extend the servo leads.
Should I run a Y for the ailerons?

Thanks to James for sending two new ribs to make the repair :)

[Tim Semeraro]

Ok I'm back on track too! Got the Wb1 rib moved over where it should have been. I plan on using the AR6100 spektrum I'm hoping I won't need to extend the servo leads.
Should I run a Y for the ailerons?

Thanks to James for sending two new ribs to make the repair :)

I used a Hitec mini receiver, that allows you to plug the second aileron servo into channel 5. eliminating the need for a y harness. your spectrum radio should allow the same application.

[jkarpy]

I used a Hitec mini receiver, that allows you to plug the second aileron servo into channel 5. eliminating the need for a y harness. your spectrum radio should allow the same application.

I set my biplanes up with channel 5 also. On the spectrum radio I program for flaparons and disable the flap switch.

James

[jkarpy]

Be sure when you mount the wing a tail section on the biplane that the tail section is mounted all the way to the end of the fuselage stick. The wing should be as far forward as possible.

James

[D.B. Hooper]

Be sure when you mount the wing a tail section on the biplane that the tail section is mounted all the way to the end of the fuselage stick. The wing should be as far forward as possible.

James

Not sure I understand that? :o

[D.B. Hooper]

[QUOTE=jkarpy]Be sure when you mount the wing a tail section on the biplane that the tail section is mounted all the way to the end of the fuselage stick. The wing should be as far forward as possible.

James[/QUOTE
Post #11 fig. 21 is this correct?

Finely got the Bipe together! Now if the weather will clear I have three Bipe's to maiden.

[jkarpy]

[QUOTE=jkarpy]Be sure when you mount the wing a tail section on the biplane that the tail section is mounted all the way to the end of the fuselage stick. The wing should be as far forward as possible.

James[/QUOTE
Post #11 fig. 21 is this correct?

Finely got the Bipe together! Now if the weather will clear I have three Bipe's to maiden.

As a minimum, if you can make it longer, the plane will fly better.

[Tim Semeraro]

I had my maiden flight this morning, I still need to change a couple of things. I swaped out the motor(I cooked the old one on the bench :censored: ouch), the new motor will take a 3 cell 600mah pack. but its 1/2 the weight of the shulman fury so I need to add a little nose weight. even though she was a little tail heavy. I still ran out bolth battery packs and had 5 or 6 landings. Once this thing is dialed in its going to be awsome. It's also very fast with the dualsky xm2812ca-33 motor and 3 cell 600mah 20c pack.

[jkarpy]

I had my maiden flight this morning, I still need to change a couple of things. I swaped out the motor(I cooked the old one on the bench :censored: ouch), the new motor will take a 3 cell 600mah pack. but its 1/2 the weight of the shulman fury so I need to add a little nose weight. even though she was a little tail heavy. I still ran out bolth battery packs and had 5 or 6 landings. Once this thing is dialed in its going to be awsome. It's also very fast with the dualsky xm2812ca-33 motor and 3 cell 600mah 20c pack.

Congratulations,

I fly my Biplane a little on the tail heavy side. I try to balance it so that when I am inverted, the elevator remains neutral.

James

[D.B. Hooper]

Congratulations,

I fly my Biplane a little on the tail heavy side. I dry to balance it so that when I am inverted, the elevator remains neutral.

James


I finely got my Bipe in the air today! :D
It needed some down trim but once I had that trimmed it flew awesome! This plane rocks! I flew with the 11.1 480 3c and the 7.4 780 2c batteries. The 11.1 3c really moves this plane fast! It will do any acrobatic move you can think of!

The take off and landing from grass no problem at all.
With the 7.4 780 the bipe fly's nice and slow ! perfect for back yard flying or indoors. When I got home from our flying field I recharged and flew across the street from my house near a large field landing and taking off from pavement no problems. Love how it slows right down for landings with no tip stalling super stable.

This is must have plane! Love it!

I'm using a DX6i AR6100 2.4
D47 servos
19g 2100KV micro motor
CC 9 Thunderbird ESC
7x3.5 prop
11.1 3c 480 TP
7.4 2c 780
weight 7.5g

[D.B. Hooper]

Here's a short clip of my flight today at the beach. Looks like a seagull! lol Just after this it snowed.
Love this little bipe. Just ordered 4 more batteries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jduSVqXSvtQ&feature=channel_page

[jkarpy]

The Micro SSX Biplane is my favorite plane to take to the beach.

Be sure to clean the wire with a little WD40 on a rag. They will rust from the salt.

James

[D.B. Hooper]

The Micro SSX Biplane is my favorite plane to take to the beach.

Be sure to clean the wire with a little WD40 on a rag. They will rust from the salt.

James

You did a great job on this SSX Bipe! When I like something I don't mind telling others about it :) The fact your planes are laser cut here in the USA is a big plus. The first day I had the SSX Bipe at our flying club two people asked for your web address after seeing it fly.

I do have a few questions for you ;)

What kind of average flight times are you getting with the 11.1 480 TP and the 7.4 730? Also I with the X1806n 19g 2100KV motor what's the best battery for indoor flight?
I was thinking of 7.4 250mAh? or will i need a smaller motor also? Which leads me to the question of CG adjustment with the lighter batteries.

Was thinking of a balsa wood ramp on the battery tray so I can slide the battery forward to clear the motor mount.

How are you adjusting your CG?
Thanks

[jkarpy]

You did a great job on this SSX Bipe! When I like something I don't mind telling others about it :) The fact your planes are laser cut here in the USA is a big plus. The first day I had the SSX Bipe at our flying club two people asked for your web address after seeing it fly.

I do have a few questions for you ;)

What kind of average flight times are you getting with the 11.1 480 TP and the 7.4 730? Also I with the X1806n 19g 2100KV motor what's the best battery for indoor flight?
I was thinking of 7.4 250mAh? or will i need a smaller motor also? Which leads me to the question of CG adjustment with the lighter batteries.

Was thinking of a balsa wood ramp on the battery tray so I can slide the battery forward to clear the motor mount.

How are you adjusting your CG?
Thanks

I use the indoor power package on my site for the ultimate indoor biplane. The battery is a 480 2S. I move the R and E servos as far forward as possible and do a pull pull system for R and E. For the ailerons, I only use the top wing servo and link the top and bottom wings with carbon push rods.

I just ordered a new 5 gram motor that I am using for the next indoor bipe. I am using a pull pull on the ailerons this time. All the servos will be hidden inside the wings. The last indoor bipe I did was 6 oz ready to fly. my goal for the new one is 5 oz. I am making some changes to the laser cutting to help take some of the weight out.

James

[Tim Semeraro]

Ok, I made some modifications to my original set up. I wanted to use dualskys 600mah 3cell sl batteries, I went with a larger disk stile motor and I tied the landing gear together with kevlar thread to help with the extra weight. It all worked out very well and I was able to balance the cg by just moving around the receiver. I also put a little extra down pitch on the motor, and BAM there it was, the perfect set up. I'm getting 10min.+ flights and the handling is great! the guys at the club love it. Tim, from CT.

[jkarpy]

Ok, I made some modifications to my original set up. I wanted to use dualskys 600mah 3cell sl batteries, I went with a larger disk stile motor and I tied the landing gear together with kevlar thread to help with the extra weight. It all worked out very well and I was able to balance the cg by just moving around the receiver. I also put a little extra down pitch on the motor, and BAM there it was, the perfect set up. I'm getting 10min.+ flights and the handling is great! the guys at the club love it. Tim, from CT.


Holy smokes :eek: , You'll shoot your eye out! :D How much does it weigh? Here I am squeezing every little bit of weight I can out of the laser cutting.

James

[Tim Semeraro]

Ya, sorry about that! This ones not legal for indoor that's for sure!
But it sure is fun to fly. The battery pack is not that heavy. Its the Super Light 16c series, and the motor weighs nothing .I'll put it on the scale when I get home and let you know. I love the Christmas's story reference. :)

Ok, the plane is just over 7.oz and the battery is 1.8oz. for a combined flight weight of, 8.91oz.

Thats not to bad, is it? keep in mind this was my first scratch build. I probably used to much glue. I used the heavy covering on the bottom wing, and half of the tail.

It does fly very well. Also, it only takes a 2 foot runway to get of the ground.

Its not as heavy as a red rider BB gun. Thats for sure! ;)

[Tim Semeraro]

Ok, the plane is just over 7.oz and the battery is 1.8oz. for a combined flight weight of, 8.91oz.

I also went up to a 7x5 prop today, and it is so much better. I flew in 10-15mph winds, and it was great. The extra prop and weight made it a blast in the wind. going vertical is no problem. :)


WARNING! THIS IS NOT THE STOCK SET UP, I(and I'm sure J.) do not recommend these modifcations. When you go outside manufacture specs its a lot of work to get things just right. If you purchase everything from J. as a matched set, you wont have any problems.

That being said the reason I made these mods was to make a small plane fly like a big plane. I over power my planes because I fly in the wind. I also wanted longer flight times. Today I think I went over 12 min.

J. Karpy makes some of the best planes on the market. I should know I have 3 of them, and I still need a 3DX. Thanks J.!