Another Littlescreamer motor???

[Littlescreamers]

Well I have the long awaited new Littlescreamers motor!

Here is a little pic,

Scott

[62pilot]

Won't get much cooling like that,will it ?



Tom

[Skyking213]

Let the teasing begin!:D

ScottB

[c/f]

I'll bite .........

UMMM

Bun Warmer Special, 150W, LSRBWS, availability promise date 1/1/08, delivery date first run rejects 8/1/07, final version availability 10/1/08.........Personal promise to repair, two month delivery date from received goods free of charge.

Ever since I started with Lsr in 10/1/04 Your LSR Denova, this has been a true to form MO...........Theres really only one LSr motor worth waiting for and you dont even make that model and I've been flying it for 3 years now. Thats the only motor other manufactures cant seem to duplicate power per oz, and not for lack of trying.

[rvincent]

The test flights will commence in about a week. How about 800-1000 watts without heat ;)

[AirX]

Cool... :)

Eric B.

[GGRN]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've a 90 mm midifan waiting for a good motor........ Hope this one will do the job... And it'll not be a too long waiting...

[RCAV8R13]

I'll take one of those "not so little" screamers. NOW!
I can hear the foam screaming! :D I have fans, I have the foam. ;)
RCA

[GregG]

The test flights will commence in about a week. How about 800-1000 watts without heat ;)

:D Cool, a real LS Hot Rod for the medium sized planes! http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

What RPM range will these be capable of withstanding?

[rvincent]

I see no reason 60K would present a problem. I'm sure we will be able to "outspin" the effective usefulness of the fans :cool:

[kevin]

I'm sure we will be able to "outspin" the effective usefulness of the fans

which fans?

...without heat

a bit much, no?

[rvincent]

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most of the 70mm fans good to around 50K? Is there a particular 70mm fan spinning more than 60K and still effecient?

[GregG]

You're building these with the 70mm fans in mind, cool. It'll probably make a great geared motor as well.

What are your amp and volt limits? Shaft size?

How well do you think this one will do in a WeMoTec 609 fan?

[c/f]

And what ESC is gonna spin up 60K? How many magnet poles would that be???

[rvincent]

6 magnet poles and any CC or Jeti will easily spin in the mid 70K range.

We will be testing the wemo 6904 as one of the first to see the motor. We will let you know.

[darmar]

HET has 6904, not wemo.

[lavochkin]

They have tested the arc motor 28-47-1 in a wemotec mini fan at over 70,000rpms but they needed to shave .5mm off. It put out like 1400 watts but the amp draw was over 100 amps.
With that being said, the het fans are pre-balanced and use a collet type adapter, (no set screws) They are made of a carbon/nylon blend so they are strong. The wemotec fans are just nylon. But I love how they sound more. The shubeler ds-30 is all carbon fiber and VERY strong but $$$ey.
Now I'm sending you (Rvincent) some info that i've picked up at I hobby expo. I finally have what was supposed to go to you a while ago together Bob. One of the things is a new fan coming out soon made by haoye/kenjet. Its a 4 blader in ALL kinds of sizes. It's just as durable as the 7 blade hoaye fans but comes with an aluminum spinner, just like the wemo's do. I was trying like hell to get those guys to sell me a few, but no luck. Just look but don't sell. These fans are "Identical" to the shubeler fans. They look almost the same. Very promising to say the least.
Now Bob and scott can you guys test one of your new 70mm motors in the 7 blade haoye fan please? I think it's a 68mm fan. I'm interested cause if can turn that beast at a good rpm than the thrust will be phenomenal. I will seriously buy a few if they put out what I'm thinking they will.
Just some thoughts for you, and good work!
Joe

[Littlescreamers]

I'll bite .........

UMMM

Bun Warmer Special, 150W, LSRBWS, availability promise date 1/1/08, delivery date first run rejects 8/1/07, final version availability 10/1/08.........Personal promise to repair, two month delivery date from received goods free of charge.

Ever since I started with Lsr in 10/1/04 Your LSR Denova, this has been a true to form MO...........Theres really only one LSr motor worth waiting for and you dont even make that model and I've been flying it for 3 years now. Thats the only motor other manufactures cant seem to duplicate power per oz, and not for lack of trying.


Yes C/F as a new company trying to get things done we have had a few problems, But we have also learned along the way. There will be no delay and no rejects as we have implemented a new structure with the way we communicate with the factory, They also have a portfolio of all motors including a picture of EA and all specs for them. Things are going very well and sales are through the roof! Thanks to all you. This is just one of the new projects we have going right now so stay tuned for more on that.

Scott

[Littlescreamers]

They have tested the arc motor 28-47-1 in a wemotec mini fan at over 70,000rpms but they needed to shave .5mm off. It put out like 1400 watts but the amp draw was over 100 amps.
With that being said, the het fans are pre-balanced and use a collet type adapter, (no set screws) They are made of a carbon/nylon blend so they are strong. The wemotec fans are just nylon. But I love how they sound more. The shubeler ds-30 is all carbon fiber and VERY strong but $$$ey.
Now I'm sending you (Rvincent) some info that i've picked up at I hobby expo. I finally have what was supposed to go to you a while ago together Bob. One of the things is a new fan coming out soon made by haoye/kenjet. Its a 4 blader in ALL kinds of sizes. It's just as durable as the 7 blade hoaye fans but comes with an aluminum spinner, just like the wemo's do. I was trying like hell to get those guys to sell me a few, but no luck. Just look but don't sell. These fans are "Identical" to the shubeler fans. They look almost the same. Very promising to say the least.
Now Bob and scott can you guys test one of your new 70mm motors in the 7 blade haoye fan please? I think it's a 68mm fan. I'm interested cause if can turn that beast at a good rpm than the thrust will be phenomenal. I will seriously buy a few if they put out what I'm thinking they will.
Just some thoughts for you, and good work!
Joe


Where can we get one of these fans you want tested??? I am sure the motor is up to the challenge :D

Scott

[lavochkin]

right here. http://www.sonicelectric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SE003-00250-32-7B&Category_Code=EDuctedFans&Product_Count=6

Cheap too! As far as those shubeler "style fans, they are not out yet. Shubeler is the best fan out there and if they are anywhere near as good as they are it will be fantastic!

[RCAV8R13]

6 magnet poles and any CC or Jeti will easily spin in the mid 70K range.

We will be testing the wemo 6904 as one of the first to see the motor. We will let you know.
Wemo 6904? Don't you mean HET? Me gotum two um dem an tree o da 7203s. ;) Hint, hint. I'll bet the DS-30 would be the ultimate. :D let's see how one of those does in the knock off.
RCA

[PaulVi]

The test flights will commence in about a week. How about 800-1000 watts without heat ;)

Finally made one for the ritewing 50 inchers .... :) it only took about 10 months after we all were ribbing you guys at AEF...

Looking foward to seeing you there if your going to make it..

[PerfectStranger]

Be sure to video test flights such that speeds can't be verified by third parties...again. :)

[Wilson Co]

damn... guess i'm gonna have to wait and see what this puppy does on the 6904... Might have to yank the typhoon out of my Sniper.

[turbonut]

Hey Scott, I have a full range of fans to test with! when can I get one of those goodies!...lets see if it can surpasss a lenher in a schubie 30

[FASTBEN]

right here. http://www.sonicelectric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SE003-00250-32-7B&Category_Code=EDuctedFans&Product_Count=6

Cheap too! As far as those shubeler "style fans, they are not out yet. Shubeler is the best fan out there and if they are anywhere near as good as they are it will be fantastic!
are the fans on this page haoye?
if not where can i get the haoye's?
thanks
ben

[rvincent]

Yes those are Haoye fans. Danny from Sonic Electric is a really good friend of mine and I have everyone of the fans he sells to test with already. We need you guys to give us real numbers to compete with so we know if we are in the right arena or not? With smaller fans I got that one covered ;) But with the larger fans, I need to know what guys are already using and the number to go with them.

[RCAV8R13]

This motor sounds like the perfect candidate for the X-Flight F-16!
"Beta tester wana be" RCA

[gorgeflyer]

Kip,
Get back to work, and don't forget the club meeting tonight is at WAAAM by the airport. Bring some of your fast movers for show and tell.
Stubbs

[LuckyDuc]

Is this meant for 70mm EDFs like the new Fly Fly F-86?

[rvincent]

Yep! and maybe even 90mm. We are testing! :D

[AIR SALLY]

Bob as we talked at vegas to beat the 2w-15 HET motor in a HET 6904...it does 48-55 amps at 480-550 watts on a 3s 3700 20c PQ batt at @ 39,000 -40,000 rpms. this motor is going to open a lot of doors ....and i'll bet some new planes will be manf. just for 70mm fans ....can't wait . i may put my wemotec 480 in my Ray to see which fan(HET6904,or wemo 480 ) is better all round......i already like the pre balanced and collet type fan adaptor on the HET better than the set screw set up on the wemotec. and i think the Het is less noisey well see ...Good luck and get winding :D

[rvincent]

Roger,
The collet style adapter, does it come in different sizes like 3.2mm, 4mm....etc?

[AIR SALLY]

It came with the fan and i think it is for the 3.17 shaft only ....same shaft size as the Wemotec.....maybe you guys could sell the thing with your own adaptor for the shaft you have ....so it would just be a "bolt on" ready to go kind of thing ...at your power level i believe that a collet type fan adaptor is mandatory dont you? or atleast pre ground flats on the shaft. i just think grinding flats on a 3.17 shaft would weaken the shaft and at 40,000 plus rpms and 1000 watts you need to have a strong shaft,dont you think :confused:

[rvincent]

Yes they are hardened :) but if 3.17 is the go to size that's what we need to know. Currently the shaft is 4mm, but we spec'd to have the size 3.17 on the end so that all factory hardware will fit an no special adapters needed. We want this a completely plug and play item. No hassles just BIG power! :D

[lavochkin]

I agree. Collets are the way to go! All the fans should be using this setup.
Arent most 90mm fans using 5mm on up shafts? My fly fly mirage does. A thousand watts for 70mm is great, but for 90mm it needs to step up to around 2000 watts or at least have that option to run up to 8s lipo"s. Look at how tamjets new edf f-16 wih the Neu motor on a
ds-50 fan. They can go up to 10s lipo power.That would definitley be the upper end of 90mm on 10s. Using the CCHV-85.
My point is I think it would be good to have dedicated motors to 70mm and 90mm for those reasons, shaft size, kv rating, etc.... And have different winds available.
Like for instance, the Lsjs can be powered on 3s and 4s comfortably. So 70mm maybe 5s to 6s or even 7s. And then 90mm 6s up to 10s. It would be nice to have it's bigger brothers be able to pull off the same feat that the 55-60mm jetscreamer does. It's uncanny ability to adapt! I'd even consider using titanium shaft or at least a hardened steel shaft.
Just a thought
Regards, Joe

[AIR SALLY]

joes right and i think you guys realize all that it'll take a few winds to pull this off and 5mm shaft for 90mm but your basic motor parts will work. i think a 3s set up for 70mm and i think you can do a 4s-5s set up for 70mm those would be the most popular ...Bob it looks like most 70mm fan are using 3.17 motor shafts.

[lavochkin]

Yep! All the 70mm"s I see do.

[rvincent]

Cool Then!! Target aquired, Kv for 2 versions of 3S and 4+S

Let the Afterburners ignite :cool:

[lavochkin]

Here as a one company only, minor reference point for power. 90 % of these are for 70mm fans. I bought the 2w-25 for my het f-16 cause I wanted 150 mph out of her. Just as an example Robert at ejf told me use this with a 80 amp esc and two 3s 25c 2500mah packs In series to achieve what I want. Just click on the pick to see kv ratings and such. Hope this helps. Now go blow em out of the water!! :p
Joe
http://www.warbirds-rc.com/Store/bm.html

[lavochkin]

Here's some Neu specs too!
http://www.ejf.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=67_83&zenid=2c37311c2c1b486cbc3266cf9ae999b1

http://www.schuebeler-jets.de/ Click on products and then new motors. You will find several Of the high end companies, ie: Lehner plettenburg, hacker etc.. then scroll to the bottom and click on measurements.

[DoctorAudio]

I have flown your other motors and thier all still in service, Can't wait to see what's under the pack foam! 1000watts sounds awesome in a 70MM fan!
Should be lots of fun!
Elvan Wilson!

[DoctorAudio]

I have flown your other motors and thier all still in service, Can't wait to see what's under the pack foam! 1000watts sounds awesome in a 70MM fan!
Should be lots of fun!
Elvan Wilson!

[lavochkin]

Whoa!!! Elvin two times! :D Just kidding. Lol!!!

[Littlescreamers]

OK,

I added the rest of the pictures on the first post!

Enjoy :D

Scott

[rvincent]

Jon Barnes took some really good pic's in Vegas.

Hey Jon,
I guess it's ok now :D

[rvincent]

Well a 2W25 is 110g's so at 109g's we are right there with other 1100 watt motors. But I feel these will be better and make the rpm's with less amps and less watts. That means we can pump up the juice and get even more rpm's and more watts without stressing the motor :D I am REALLY excited about this one!!

[lavochkin]

I like the bling! Will it come with some diamonds? LOL!! :D It already has the spinner. :p

[lavochkin]

Yeah me too! You have NO IDEA!!

[BARNESJONR]

With an E-Flite 180 as a size reference! :eek: :D

[rvincent]

Now that's funny :D

[lavochkin]

I'm gonna go home tonight and weigh my lehner motor for 70mm. It's awesome, built like a tank, unfortunately it weighs as much as one too! And it gets hot due to lack of airflow.

[rcboosted]

I noticed the stators are not lined up perfectly. Does that impact performance in any way?

[metroidrc]

Whats the kv on that motor and will it fit into the 90mm midifan?

[FASTBEN]

Yes they are hardened :) but if 3.17 is the go to size that's what we need to know. Currently the shaft is 4mm, but we spec'd to have the size 3.17 on the end so that all factory hardware will fit an no special adapters needed. We want this a completely plug and play item. No hassles just BIG power! :D
nost papular shaft on 70mm fans are 3.17.
ben

[62pilot]

Hey, how about letting me test one of these for you in a real world setting? Oh and I'll need an ESC also.




Tom

[PaulVi]

Well a 2W25 is 110g's so at 109g's we are right there with other 1100 watt motors. But I feel these will be better and make the rpm's with less amps and less watts. That means we can pump up the juice and get even more rpm's and more watts without stressing the motor :D I am REALLY excited about this one!!

I know you are focusing on the Fan's with this one but what do you thing it would do with a 6x4 prop on it.. on say 4s

Still looking for the killer app for the TL50 and TL60

[Littlescreamers]

I noticed the stators are not lined up perfectly. Does that impact performance in any way?

And where do you see this??? Because they are perfect??

Scott

[rvincent]

I noticed the stators are not lined up perfectly. Does that impact performance in any way?


It doesn't matter until it's wound ;) The stator laminations are loose until we wind them, then they pretty much come into alignment.

[RCAV8R13]

Kip,
Get back to work, and don't forget the club meeting tonight is at WAAAM by the airport. Bring some of your fast movers for show and tell.
Stubbs
Just got home from work. That makes three 12+ hour days in a row. Let me know how the meeting went.
Now back to to the big screamers motor.
RCA

[crash test dummy]

subscribe!

CTD

[AIR SALLY]

Jon the HET2w is a copy of the mega and i know that Bob will be able to beat it in power with less amps ....Bob your right this motor would tear up the HP F-16 .....

[BARNESJONR]

Tnx Rodger, I am a comparatively green EDF guy! I appreciate you and others patiently bringing me up to speed.

[rvincent]

If its a copy of the 16/15/2 we will for sure beat it. When I talked to Kody about the Hot Twister they were flying he said it was a Mega 16/15/3 on 4S 3700 packs. I know we will beat either of those motor spec's in everyway except maybe weight. Those weigh like 3.5oz's and we weigh 4oz's.

[MR-STI]

When can i buy 2 :), Hope it outperforms the Medusa 2856-2800 on 5s.

Nic

[BARNESJONR]

No doubt in my mind that whatever you guys come up with will be awesome and a great performer.

[kody'd'punk]

If its a copy of the 16/15/2 we will for sure beat it. When I talked to Kody about the Hot Twister they were flying he said it was a Mega 16/15/3 on 4S 3700 packs. I know we will beat either of those motor spec's in everyway except maybe weight. Those weigh like 3.5oz's and we weigh 4oz's.

:eek: Don’t get to cocky to fast there Bob! :D The motor I was using is the 16EDF (AKA 16/17/2) on 4s3700-4000 packs. Motor temps were right at 100F.

If Scott gets one going we can put it in my Twister to see how she does... I have an Eglee Tree data logger we can put in it aswell...

I dont know how much more power the Twister can take but it would be fun to see!

K

[rcboosted]

And where do you see this??? Because they are perfect??

Scott

I see it in this pic

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1572246

But Bob pointed out that they can be moved.

[blueplane]

:eek: Don’t get to cocky to fast there Bob! :D The motor I was using is the 16EDF (AKA 16/17/2) on 4s3700-4000 packs. Motor temps were right at 100F.



K


pardon but does the mega 16edf motor have
the internal fan like the 16/20/2?

My great Mega 16/20/2 has that nice little fan

;) ;)

[rvincent]

No worries there Kody ;) When I'm ready we'll hook up and see :) You know how we roll, we don't release till it's where we want it. This one will be easy though. We have an awesome starting platform to pull from. How many amps you pulling on your set up?

[kody'd'punk]

pardon but does the mega 16edf motor have
the internal fan like the 16/20/2?

My great Mega 16/20/2 has that nice little fan

;) ;)

Blueplane,

16/20/2F has a fan in it... The 16EDF does not have a fan in it right now... They might make one with a fan if need be... IMO it does not need a fan.

If you have any other ? about the 16EDF please PM me...

K

[kody'd'punk]

No worries there Kody ;) When I'm ready we'll hook up and see :) You know how we roll, we don't release till it's where we want it. This one will be easy though. We have an awesome starting platform to pull from. How many amps you pulling on your set up?


My batteries are charged and the plane is awaiting the Jet Scream 70!

I will put my Twister on the watt meter and post ASAP... I only got a reading before my batteries where broke in...

K

[MR-STI]

Any Numbers Yet??

Nic

[lavochkin]

Here ya go like promised! Weights of various motors I have for 70mm and 90mm use.
1) Arc 28-47-1= 113 grams
2) HET Typhoon 2w-25= 120 grams with the cooling ring attatched
3) HET Typhoon 2w-20= 97 grams
4) LEHNER 1530/11 Hi Amp= 157 grams (newest version with improved cooling)
The above were all 70 mm motors. All have 3.17mm. shafts
This last motor is a 90mm size
1) FEIGO 2382= 378 grams without connectors on it and it's 5mm shaft size
I thought this might prove a little usefull for weight goals. Like I said this LEHNER motor can put out well over a Kilowatt on 6s but its heavy! The 2w-25 is very powerful on 6s also around 1kw. :eek: :eek:

Best regards, Joe

[rvincent]

Nice! Thanks Joe.

[AIR SALLY]

Well Bob did you have some free time to wind one of these yet? bad time of year to be designing a new motor ...hope you have some of these by the elec. az. fly in ;) my wife's brother lives there and we might could go. :cool:

[rvincent]

Scott is sending me some adapters for the fan mounts. I hope to have them by Weds, then we can start getting some numbers! :D

[AIR SALLY]

Sweet we'll all be eating turkey Thrus and you'll be out in the shop saying i'll be in in a minute honey :p ...so what info did Blake get from the mega guys at vegas ...he was spending a lot of time down there :rolleyes:

[rvincent]

He just ate them out of house and home! They kept feeding him so he hung out there :D I wonder what info he gave them? :eek: :D

[BARNESJONR]

Two more to go Bob! <G>

So BLAKE is the real genius behind all of the LS stuff!? What a great disguise as a mole...he can sneak anywhere with that little person body! I should have had him get me one of those 16/17/2 motors for my Twister!! Ha ha

[rvincent]

Ok here it is!!!!

Number 10,000!!!!

Ok Scott has informed of a successfull day of parts gathering for extended shafts and bearings for the adapters :D All really good news as soon as he gets them machined, he can send them to me and the testing can begin!! We are also working with Robert at EJF to gather needed info on flight set ups for different planes. He is sending me a plane to test with as well. We are hioping for a first inflight test on Saturday Dec 1st at the basin in LA with one of CN's planes. Hopefully the F-5 twin :D

[BARNESJONR]

10K!!!!(Sound of fireworks going off!) <G>

So does that mean LS is kind of going to maybe combine with Robert over at EJF to have him sell the motors along with some of the many planes he sells!? It has always struck me when I browse EJF.com that he carries quite the variety of planes, many of them imports from Asia I think? Great selection IMHO and a natural then for integration with LS EDF motors.

[rvincent]

Yes we are working with him and he is already carrying the JS motor :D There will be some SWEET planes coming form the "Willis Forge Works" very soon :D

( Don Willis is Screamin Demon :D and my building partner )

[AIR SALLY]

Bob have you given any thought about the weight of the motor hanging off the adapter ,and the load impossed on the fan hub where the motor would mount ....seems that there should be at the end of the adaptor a flange that fits tight in the aft opening of the fan hub(29ish mm) to help support the weight and torque this monster will have . maybe you are allready on it i just wanted to metion it to make sure it get addressed. :cool:

[rvincent]

Yes just as our motor fits exactly in the XF for which it was designed. The new larger motor will also fit into the 29mm motor mounts of the 70mm fans :) The weight won't be an issue as we are the same weight as all the others :D

[AIR SALLY]

I should'nt have brought it up....i knew you'd be all over it.can't wait to see what it runs like. :cool:

[hobbies]

Rvincent
If its a FlyFly F-86 Please post your findings here. Hope to make this my next project.

Hobbies

[AIR SALLY]

i think he was talking about the XF fan that teh LSJS was mounted in.

[hole digger]

Bob came by the shop today with a little surprize. It is a thing of beauty. If this motor does anything close to what it's supposed to do Bob and Scott have another winner. :eek: I think Bob is home putting the final touches on the first one now.
I'm about to order a HET F-104 from Robert with the hopes that I get to test one.
What ya think Bob :D

[rvincent]

Well I do have some quick numbers off my first wind attempt ;)

I'm very happy so far! My actual Kv using Medusa data logger was 4980Kv. Unloaded it spun 74,223 on 15v's :eek:

I'm holding back the loaded numbers until we can figure out how to print the screen on Don's shop computer to the threads. But they are really good :D For some reason I am having a hard time getting my laptop to see the drivers to open the Medusa logger? I'll get it worked out tomorrow and hopefully show the screen here :D Now I just need the special adapters Scott is making so it can go in a plane Saturday :cool: Looks like Air Sally's Skyray might be the test vehicle. Hope it can handle 880 watts :D OOPS!! :D I wasn't going to let that out till this weekend :D

[BARNESJONR]

Hey Bob ... when you have the screen as you'd like it, hit the "PrtScrn" key .

Then open Windows Paint and hit "Control V". Save it as a JPG, not a BMP, and you should be able to crop it and post it?

TRY IT and let me know if it works. thats how I do it quick and dirty!

[rvincent]

Well see his shop computer is not internet capable, so we need to get the drivers working on mine so I can post from here ;)

[rvincent]

Sorry dang it!! That's why I wanted to wait :mad: It is actually 810 watts not 880

[BARNESJONR]

Kick that boy in the seat of his pants and make him get that shop computer going 100% :p

I wish I was closer so I could give you fellows a hand with these improtant matters.

[AIR SALLY]

Heres the flight plan if this all comes to past ....line A/C up on center line ...bring in the power all the way to full ......rotate .....to the vert,roll 90degrees so i can see the bottom of the plane retract the gear going straight up ......and then reduce power to stay out of van nuys airspace or the range of the DX-6...800+ watts yeah that should melt my leading edges :D

[MR-STI]

Any more numbers yet??

Nic

[AIR SALLY]

well we were suppose to flight test it on 4s in my ray ....but our weather went bad ...have'nt herd from Bob ...i'm sure he has a reason ...and i think he's getting his own plane ready to fly it in . :cool:

[MR-STI]

well we were suppose to flight test it on 4s in my ray ....but our weather went bad ...have'nt herd from Bob ...i'm sure he has a reason ...and i think he's getting his own plane ready to fly it in . :cool:
Thats cool, just eagerly waiting for results :D

Nic

[rvincent]

Actually, I've been in the hospital! :eek: hopefully be out to go to the basin Saturday! I will explain why in person. Let's just say it exremely painful and that damn jellyfish's fault! :mad:

[AirX]

Sorry dang it!! That's why I wanted to wait :mad: It is actually 810 watts not 880
800 watts is good im my book and if it can go all day at that even better... :)
With the inrunners we have to ease the throttle to keep from burning them up.

Cheers and get well soon,
Eric B.