BCRandy
Nov 14, 2007, 07:14 AM
I believe that Kevin is right - the can length (a 380 motor
having a 38mm length) was how motors were compared. There
are so many variables in motor performance, however, that it
is not a very good means of comparison. Kv (RPM per volt)
and watts of power output make better comparisons. Put this
in the FWIW department, but using info from Tower Hobbies
(brushless to glow comparisons) and watts, I ended up with
the attached table. It's not perfect, but a place to start.
Hope it helps.
Randy
"Kevin" <dontemailme@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:bkm_i.39516$9Y3.37865@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>_ wrote:
>> I get my motors from old machinery or the surplus bins.
>>
>> I see designations such as "540" for normal RC motors.
>> To what do these
>> sizes refer?
> length of the can, 540 is 54mm long, 380 is 38mm long or I
> could be
> completely wrong but it seems to work out like that
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Jim
Nov 14, 2007, 11:37 PM
NO, it refers to diameter. Look at a 280, a 380, and a 540. Three different
diameters. Any 280, etc. can have a longer can or shorter can. Thus longer
or shorter magnets. Longer magnets give you more torque.
"BCRandy" <RMAHEUXR@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:YEB_i.3729$yu3.668@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>I believe that Kevin is right - the can length (a 380 motor having a 38mm
>length) was how motors were compared. There are so many variables in motor
>performance, however, that it is not a very good means of comparison. Kv
>(RPM per volt) and watts of power output make better comparisons. Put this
>in the FWIW department, but using info from Tower Hobbies (brushless to
>glow comparisons) and watts, I ended up with the attached table. It's not
>perfect, but a place to start. Hope it helps.
>
> Randy
>
>
> "Kevin" <dontemailme@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:bkm_i.39516$9Y3.37865@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>>_ wrote:
>>> I get my motors from old machinery or the surplus bins.
>>>
>>> I see designations such as "540" for normal RC motors. To what do these
>>> sizes refer?
>> length of the can, 540 is 54mm long, 380 is 38mm long or I could be
>> completely wrong but it seems to work out like that
>
>
>
Kevin
Nov 15, 2007, 02:32 AM
Jim wrote:
> NO, it refers to diameter. Look at a 280, a 380, and a 540. Three different
> diameters. Any 280, etc. can have a longer can or shorter can. Thus longer
> or shorter magnets. Longer magnets give you more torque.
>
I think you are wrong this backs me up
from the web
It is the length of the motor casing in mm multiplied by 10, i.e. the
case of a 600 motor is approximately 60.0mm long not including the drive
shaft but including the length of any protruding bearings. Some 500
motors have external brush gear and the length of this is not included
either. So the actual motor size is just as big as a 600 and this is
also the case with some of the 400 size motors - all very confusing!
Because of their popularity, the Graupner Speed motor size has become
the de-facto standard for electric flight brushed motors.
Jim
Nov 16, 2007, 03:40 PM
Whatever you say. I am in the business. I manufacture motors. No accounting
for what the Germans say. Go to a hobby shop and ask to see a 280, 380, 540
motor.You will see what I mean.
"Kevin" <dontemailme@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:lCS_i.7140$dN2.3870@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
> Jim wrote:
>> NO, it refers to diameter. Look at a 280, a 380, and a 540. Three
>> different diameters. Any 280, etc. can have a longer can or shorter can.
>> Thus longer or shorter magnets. Longer magnets give you more torque.
>>
> I think you are wrong this backs me up
> from the web
>
> It is the length of the motor casing in mm multiplied by 10, i.e. the case
> of a 600 motor is approximately 60.0mm long not including the drive shaft
> but including the length of any protruding bearings. Some 500 motors have
> external brush gear and the length of this is not included either. So the
> actual motor size is just as big as a 600 and this is also the case with
> some of the 400 size motors - all very confusing! Because of their
> popularity, the Graupner Speed motor size has become the de-facto standard
> for electric flight brushed motors.
Kevin
Nov 16, 2007, 05:26 PM
Jim wrote:
> Whatever you say. I am in the business. I manufacture motors. No accounting
> for what the Germans say. Go to a hobby shop and ask to see a 280, 380, 540
> motor.You will see what I mean.
>
> "Kevin" <dontemailme@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:lCS_i.7140$dN2.3870@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>> Jim wrote:
>>> NO, it refers to diameter. Look at a 280, a 380, and a 540. Three
>>> different diameters. Any 280, etc. can have a longer can or shorter can.
>>> Thus longer or shorter magnets. Longer magnets give you more torque.
>>>
>> I think you are wrong this backs me up
>> from the web
>>
>> It is the length of the motor casing in mm multiplied by 10, i.e. the case
>> of a 600 motor is approximately 60.0mm long not including the drive shaft
>> but including the length of any protruding bearings. Some 500 motors have
>> external brush gear and the length of this is not included either. So the
>> actual motor size is just as big as a 600 and this is also the case with
>> some of the 400 size motors - all very confusing! Because of their
>> popularity, the Graupner Speed motor size has become the de-facto standard
>> for electric flight brushed motors.
>
>
I dont particually care if you are in the business, in the model world
you are talking bollox
I have a 280 in my hand and guess what ??? its not 28mm dia and I also
have a 540 and guess what its not 54mm dia
all Tamiya type electric cars run on 540 sized motors and none are 54mm
diameter
from the web American site
a 600 motor
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJ765&P=0
Can Diameter: 1.44" (36.6mm)
Can Length: 2.25" (57mm)
from the web English site
http://www.westbourne-models.com/erol.html#1727x0&&http%3A%252F%252Fwww.google.co.uk%252Fsearch%3Fq%3 D540+motor+specs%26ie%3Dutf-8%26oe%3Dutf-8%26aq%3Dt%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial%26client%3Dfirefox-a
Sun 385 Motor
Diameter: 28mm
Vision400 STD.
380 sized Mabuchi motor
Dimensions :D28.0mm,
Sun 555 Motor
Diameter: 37mm
I could go on and on, post me a model site that states a 540 motor or
any other model size motor where the number refers to the diameter, as
this is a model newsgroup, I don't think any one in the model hobby
world would refer a 540 motor being 54mm diameter and I have an Italian
electric glider for a 600 motor and the motor cannot be any more than
40mm in diameter or it wont fit in
so that's an English American and Italian company that back me up
I rest my case my lord
Kevin
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