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lectraplayer
Oct 03, 2007, 07:42 PM
I think we need to define these terms: What is your definition of these devices? I'll indicate the following, and maybe you can help me along. :D

Model aircraft: a flying or nonflying likeness of an aircraft, be it a scale model, a concept, or whatever the purpose. These are always flown within line of sight or uncontrolled, and the only thing they do is fly and/or look cool. These have no cameras, but may (in a highly controlled environment) have projectiles which, themselves, do nothing but fly.

Remotely piloted aircraft: An aircraft of any type that can fly outside the line-of-sight envelope, and usually is used to perform a particular purpose. A camera-equipped model airplane could be one of these

Unmanned aerial vehicle: An aircraft that flies without user intervention while in the air. It will be self guided, and usually is used to perform a specific function.

macboffin
Oct 05, 2007, 09:16 AM
I think we need to define these terms: What is your definition of these devices? I'll indicate the following, and maybe you can help me along. :D

Model aircraft: a flying or nonflying likeness of an aircraft, be it a scale model, a concept, or whatever the purpose. These are always flown within line of sight or uncontrolled, and the only thing they do is fly and/or look cool. These have no cameras, but may (in a highly controlled environment) have projectiles which, themselves, do nothing but fly.

Remotely piloted aircraft: An aircraft of any type that can fly outside the line-of-sight envelope, and usually is used to perform a particular purpose. A camera-equipped model airplane could be one of these

Unmanned aerial vehicle: An aircraft that flies without user intervention while in the air. It will be self guided, and usually is used to perform a specific function. Model aircraft ;Not a likeness, it IS an aircraft.
Unmanned aerial vehicle.A flying device,(possibly a Blimp or rigid airship, boomerang on steroids, etc etc.) Most "Real" UAVs have optional user intervention, possibly to alter the route via changing way-points, or direct operator control for a specific mission task, (firing Hellfire missiles at a ground target under direct operator control for example) and some UAVs are controlled by the operator throughout the flight.
UAVs were originally called Remote Piloted Vehicles, but the "White silk scarf brigade,"
ie full size pilots, objected, on the grounds that UAV pilots were only nerds and unaware of the experience and mystique of piloting.
In practise most professional UAV pilots are also qualified full size pilots ; when operating in such environmets as Iraq and Afghanistan they have to be aware of manned aircraft and appreciate their problems.

lectraplayer
Oct 06, 2007, 04:41 AM
Good point. ...though with the model aircraft, I'm lumping in static models (which actrually are not aircraft, they usually don't fly too well). I consider an unmanned aerial vehicle to have a specific purpose, beyond our Katanas or Yaks which are used to fly high-alpha aerobatics (3D).

Bill Oberdieck
Oct 08, 2007, 04:50 PM
I think we need to define these terms: What is your definition of these devices? I'll indicate the following, and maybe you can help me along. :D

Model aircraft: a flying or nonflying likeness of an aircraft, be it a scale model, a concept, or whatever the purpose. These are always flown within line of sight or uncontrolled, and the only thing they do is fly and/or look cool. These have no cameras, but may (in a highly controlled environment) have projectiles which, themselves, do nothing but fly.

Remotely piloted aircraft: An aircraft of any type that can fly outside the line-of-sight envelope, and usually is used to perform a particular purpose. A camera-equipped model airplane could be one of these

Unmanned aerial vehicle: An aircraft that flies without user intervention while in the air. It will be self guided, and usually is used to perform a specific function.

lectraplayer; My first reaction after reading your post was, what relevance does this have regarding the candidacy for AMA presdient. Then I thought the question as bait. OK I'll take it.
Model=in form in miniture of something to be made or already made,copy facsimile. I ues the term miniture aircraft.
An aerial vehicle to be used as a hobby endevor, not for use in civil, commercial or mititary operations or be capable of carrying animal, humans or devices that could be considered as potential weapons.
Your term RPV has been replaced by UAS. Which covers a gamut of applications which includes UAV.
R/C Remote Control or Radio control.
Your referance (twice) to cameras bring to mind several applications for civil and commercial use which are already being used. The FAA is currently looking at these. I think this is where the bait is for your question.
My question to you is what is your difinition of the difference of model aircraft vs toy airplanes?
Since you used RPV,UAV here are a few more that I'm familar with
UAS,UAV,MAV<UGA,UUA,UCAV< AUV and AGV.I trust this answers your question. Since I don't see a response from the other two candidates

margaret.roberts
Oct 10, 2007, 12:09 PM
I think they are all best defined as 'vertical lifting platforms with a multitude of various functions'.

Maggie.

Bill Oberdieck
Oct 18, 2007, 12:19 AM
I think they are all best defined as 'vertical lifting platforms with a multitude of various functions'.

Maggie.

That is by far a very interesting explanation, thank you

margaret.roberts
Oct 19, 2007, 02:25 AM
That is by far a very interesting explanation, thank you

Bill,
:D
Maggie.

Another way of putting it 'vertical lifting platforms with a variety of multitudinous functions' :D

Maggie.

flieslikeabeagle
Oct 22, 2007, 02:21 PM
<snip>
platforms with a multitude of various functions'.
<snip>

What say we eliminate the redundant redundancies in that multitude of various functions? :)

-Flieslikeabeagle

Bill Oberdieck
Oct 25, 2007, 10:17 PM
That would be fine with me. Since the ballots are now out. Only time will tell.
My only hope is that the membership votes and makes itself heard. ALL THE MEMBERS.