Littlebee Heli

[luger]

Well after using clearview i chose to go the next step and buy a heli,called littlebee from china . :)
The very cheapest i could buy. Now this is an FP i believe , it has a tail rotor.
Its working out good, i can fly 1 metre up and 1 metre diameter, until i get a severe crash after a few minutes....Glad i bought it fotr the price was right(cheap) and i got a lot of learning out of it so far and all indoor flying.
You can fly it outside if there is not much wind. $20.00 plus, CDN

[luger]

Ive updated little bee as i get more experience. No limit to height, goes up fast. It went into the bathroom today because of air from the windows open :D , not much room :) no light on. :cool:

[rafcab]

Hi luger,

I'm glad you improve your skills with your litlle bee. I also got one some time ago and liked it very much. I also own a small micro helicopter. Like your little bee it's very small, cheap, very easy to control and highly resistant to crashes. The only diference is that it has only two channels.
If you want to go ahead with helis I can recommend you buying a 'bigger brother' like a coaxial Lama or similar, or go even further with a conventional heli with a tail rotor.
Coaxials are very stable, like yor little bee and learning with them is easier. There are a lot of them with different prices over Internet, but you will have to spend more than 20 $.
Also recommendable is continuing with a simulator, but a good one (it's worth the money) and practicing with the models in it, better than seeing real crashes (I'm at this step now), and when you feel confident you can go ahead with a real helicopter. I'm using Phoenix sim, but Reflex or other brands are also a good choice.
One final note: If you go for the electric helicopter way, you should have a look at the EHBG document if not done yet. You can see it in the electric heli forum.

Rafael

[luger]

Yes, i appriciate the feedback,
are coaxial's much easier to fly ? than the rotor type?
will it fly outside ?
and what would you rcommend in between little bee and esky lama v3 coacial
and does the v3 fly outside?
I have the flight sim Clearview and i find it is an excellent sim for the price also every update , there is no extra charge..
Thanks, Hope to here from you again.

[rafcab]

Hi Luger,

Yes, coaxial helis are much more easier to fly. I will try to explain why in a few words:
With one main rotor turning you get a main torque which tends to turn the helicopter body in opposite direction and that has to be compensated with a tail rotor for example. I suppose you know that, you can see it in many technical articles.
But this is not the only problem. The main rotor turning and the tail rotor turning as well create a slight movement to one side, mainly right, that has to be compensated with your radio sticks and ability. And you have to add the possible movement in the same axis as the helicopter and also up and down. I do not include here the tail movement because I suppose you are using a good and modern gyro. That's a help.
All this makes controlling a normal heli a quite difficult task but not impossible with a thorough practice, specially if you use a good simulator.
Coaxial helis are more stable because they use another rotor similar to the main one to compensate its torque. That is, they use two identical rotors turning in opposite directions. But this has other secondary and important advantages: we do not have any tendency to move to any side and only turbulences will take our heli out of a perfect stationary. But this is very easy to correct.
I do not have your simulator but if it has a coaxial model and a normal one, try to fly both and you will see the difference.
With respect to your sim, I have already said that I do not know it but I'm afraid it can be not appropriate for training. Try searching this forum to see other posts regarding it and its abilities. Good ones usually cost over 150 $ and have a USB adpater with a dongle.
I'm using Phoenix, which I have read that has one of the best physics implemented, apart from the good or bad graphics it can have.
I can suggest that you go to a dealer or shop where you can try any good sim and compare to yours. If you want to be serious with helis you'll need the best.
On my part, I have practiced with a micro electric heli: very bad crashes. Later I bought one little bee and one micro micro 2 ch. Both of them are very easy to fly but I feel that they are not really helicopters but only toys. Now I'm getting experience with my simulator because in short time I will be flying a 30 size trining heli, a Corona LH120, which is a rough one. After that I expect to upgrade to a 3D one, but I want to be cautious and go step by step.
I suggested in my revious message a Lama or similar in case you do not feel much confident and learn slow but you can go directly to a normal heli. In case you decide to do so I recomend you get a bigger heli because they are easier to fly than smaller ones, and they do not cost very much. You can do a search in internet or ebay and look for some. A 50 or 60 size could be a good starting point, for example T-Rex, Hurricane, Swift, 3DX, or others.
Well, this has been a lot of text today. I hope it helps. I do not mind replying you here or if you prefer by email: rafcab@gesmonte.com. For what you say I thin we are more or less at the same learning point.

regards
Rafael

P.S. I forget to write above that you should read the guide I mentioned yesterday EHBG, which appears in the electric heli forum. I found it very didactic.

[luger]

I have reaserched and then some, until its a mute point.
Those expensive flight sims like realflight and fs one are a total rip off
First u have to have some huge controller to control them and cannot control any other just theirs.
Clearviws realism is as good maby better, just because someone charges $229.00 $ as compaired to $39.00 cdn does not make one better than the other, try and update to their addon packs and see how much they charge.
CV is an ongoing project and all upgrades are free.
Need i say any more. :cool:

[luger]

Bye the way

All this controller stuff is not needed for software protection.
As everybody thinks.
I challenge anyone to crack Clearview's sofisticated reg system....
Boy you people are duped

[rafcab]

Hi again,
Although I'm not an expert, as I said, I'd like to make some things clear if they are not:
- I do not personally know Clearview but I have researched a bit and it seems to be a fairly good sim. The beginner's guide I mentioned rates it at 7/10. I did not tell you to buy one of the best and most expensive ones but experts recommend to invest in this money instead of breaking real models, which are more expensive. Anyway if Clearview serves you to get experience at 30 $, that's a deal. I think there's a trial in the web so I'll download it and check it against my sim. Better two than one.
- You mention you need a huge controller to use one of the state-of-the-art sims. Well,I do not know your radio system but if yu want to go serious for RC helicopters you need a good one. I had an old 4 ch Hitec radio and therefore had to upgrade it for helis so I have recently bought a Futaba 7TCAP. You could also use a 6 ch radio and other brands but a good radio is better for a beginner, and you can also continue using it as you imprve your skills and upgrade to better and big helis.
- I agree with you about the dongle. You do not need it for protecting the program, but I suppose you agree with me in that a hardware protection is more difficult to crack that a software one.

Anyway I hope you can go on with your learning. Have you made your mind up with your next heli?

Rafael

[luger]

The more i use little bee the better it gets for example the battery is lasting a lot longer, i flew it indoors for 5 minutes and another 5 minutes of severe crashes and resetups nothing has broken, and i flew it outdoors..need more practise there. And as far as Clearview goes now that i am learning how to adjust the parameters its a lot more fun. For those who have Clearview when u upgrade to a newer ver as i did, the model directory is read only so i did not lose any extra models or parameter changes :D
:cool:

[luger]

use a cellphone lith-ion batt make it to read proper mili amps and voltage etc, using the same shape as little bee, but bigger size, use stryrophome body,the rest plastic and have a great rc, helicopter. And use your lith-ion battery charger, for recharging, lasts and lasts.
I DO NOT RECOMEND ANYONE TO TRY THIS UNLESS YOU ARE A QUALIFIED ELECTRONIC TECH, FIRE HAZARD, OR MORE.............. ARE POSSIBLE :eek: :censored: