Nothin' but DISTANCE! Nov 10-11!

[F3X]

Hi Guys,

How about this:
2 days of Nothin' but DISTANCE!

F3B Distance for 2 days. Using the same working time and launch methods.

Run what you brung! Think about it: F3B models are competitive but so are F3J models. You don't need to worry about the speed task so many of the models currently owned will do just fine. There may even be a advantage to running a F3J bird.

I am thinking about Fresno for the site unless you have a better place. What do you think? Are you in?

[tewatson]

I would be in for one day. Run it as two separate contests and add an aggregate award for those who fly both days.

I'm already going to be in enough trouble when I try to get our annual kids Halloween party moved back a week so's I can do the Poway F3B event in October. Between that and my Visalia four-day disappearing act, well...

Tom

[glderguy]

I would be up for that one if it is at Fresno Tom. When were you thinking about doing it? Im having shoulder surgery next month and may not be able to come if its with in the next three months.
Walter

[FLY F3B]

I would be up for a nothing but distance contest. 7 minute working time 4 minutes on course, and as many relaunches as you have winches for... That would be great practice. Let me know when and where.

Mike

[Daryl Perkins]

Fresno is a bit closer for the So Cal guys, and me too, but I think Sac would be a better distance site.

[F3X]

Lets see if there is any interest in this contest. Speak up if you want to give it a go.

[djklein21]

You know I am there

[timmig]

I'd like to try it!!! I'm finally moved in and can take some time to fly!! When and where?
Tim

[jgs99v]

Tom - I would be interested!!!

[FLY F3B]

I want to give it a go.

Mike

Lets see if there is any interest in this contest. Speak up if you want to give it a go.

[FLY F3B]

Any time before Oct. 1, and after Oct. 22nd :-)

Gotta get married 'n stuff.

Mike

[Joe W]

before Oct. 8th!!!

[Kyle Paulson]

I'm in for an F3B schooling. When and where?

KP

[Kai@UCSB]

I am in for schooling too.

-Kai

[Terminator]

Me too!

Alan...

[F3X]

I have a few emails asking when this will happen. Guys at this point I am looking for interest, we need 20 pilots to make this fun and get a good mix of heats.

I doubt that we will have this by Oct 8 as I don't have enough pilots committed at this time, I know once a date is set then guys will know when and plan around it.

Lets keep the discussion going and most of you will be at the F3B event in October. That should peak interest a bunch!

[Kyle Paulson]

So far I count 7 guys. Who else is in? Speek up or this thing may not happen. Hellllooooo............

KP

[Daryl Perkins]

Tom, you don't need 20 pilots to make this fun. If you can get 8 and some helpers, you've got one helluva contest.

And guys - you don't need a state of the art F3B model to fly distance. It's probably easier with a good TD model in most air. I once went 27 laps at a Nats F3B contest with a Psyko.

It's hard to explain how much of a better pilot flying some distance laps on a course will make you. Come on guys - try something new!!!!

dp

[dhauch]

And guys - you don't need a state of the art F3B model to fly distance. dp

I agree.
my personal best of 29 laps was with a Tragi 701.

whats so fun & challenging about distance is there are so many variables and
decisions to make, before you launch and ever lap there after.

dh
www.rc-builds.com

[timmig]

I'm ready---let's do it!!!
Tim

[dlgdude]

Kyle twisted my arm. I'm in so long as it doesn't conflict with SC2 or Visalia...

-l

[F3X]

So lets update the question:

1. Do you want to try for a 2 day event in Fresno (or somewhere abouts) and try and bring some of the NoCal pilots to a central site.

or.

2. Have one in SoCal. A 1 day event with about 10 pilots or as many as we get?

We also need guys with F3B winches!!! We will also share winches and have a entry fee that will cover the cost of mono.

Dates: It looks like November at earliest. Visalia is in Oct. The So Cal F3B is in late October. Unless you guys want to do this later this month. I can't make it but that shouldn't stop you especially for a 1 day SoCal event.

I personally would like to see this as a 2-day event and get 20+ guys coming...maybe it can grow into that.

[glderguy]

2 days in Fresno. When in Nov as I will be in Chile visiting my kids the last part of the month thru about 1/2 of December?
Walter

[Kai@UCSB]

Tom,

I vote for 2 days in Fresno.

-Kai

[FLY F3B]

I am in for Fresno, 2 days, November. I have two winches, and if Aaron comes there is another. If he chooses not to go, I should be able to borrow his winch.

Mike

[F3X]

If you want 2 days in Fresno we need to rally the NoCal guys, I am sure DZ, Mehrdad and Speroni would come. They have winches. Tim Cone said he will throw down a BBQ and pool party!

If you want to go forward lets hear it. When in November is good? Before Thanksgiving I am sure. 2 weeks before?

[darrellzaballos]

Sounds good to me I need some dates though.

I think Mehrdad will be there in a heart beat.

DZ

[tewatson]

I'm in, Tom. Definitely for one day, possibly two. Weekend right before Thxgiving would be best for me, though two weeks before might be doable at the expense of my marriage...

Tom

[Kyle Paulson]

I'm in!

[planekrazy]

This all sounds good. Have winch, will travel. Are you all talking about weekend of November 17 & 18?

Mehrdad

[timmig]

I vote for two weeks before--and I'll be in!
Tim

[FLY F3B]

Thanksgiving is on the 22nd this year, so that makes the Fresno date if two weeks prior - Nov. 10th and 11th. I am so in!!!!!!!! BBQ at Timmy's too.....?....Sweet!

Mike

[FLY F3B]

Come on T.E.W., she has got to understand your hobby at some point. I'd hate to think that your marriage is really hanging on one poorly timed RC glider gathering. There aren't any strippers or anything...right guys? ;-)

Mike

[glderguy]

If its the 10th/11th I will be able to come over to Fresno. Would it be held at the club site at LL Park? Also, for those that arent really familiar/no experience w/F3B, whats a good site to read about F3B, in particular the distance task? I will be bringing my Perfect(which BTW Im just finishing up build out on today) and Victor. Can you change planes as Id like to try both of them?
Thanks,
Walter

[F3X]

OK, I spoke with Tim and let him know the BBQ is at his place :D (its good to have friends)

He will contact the Fresno club and get the permission to use the field November 10-11 and see if anyone can volunteer to help push buttons.

We will start a sign up here I need to know:
Name:
AMA #:
How many winches:
Has line? How much?
Will bring a helper:
Freq 1.
Freq 2.
Model name:

Lets see what equipment we can get and we will need to share the winches to make this happen. I would say the entry fee should cover the line for the weekend. So if you have line worth using let us know here. I need to ask Tim what the field condition is and how hard on line it will be. If you didn't know 1 winch drum of line is about $20.00 and we can't retie the line breaks!

DZ, can we use your F3B system and have Mikes as a back up?
We need a generator at the field for charging. Anyone have one?
Shades. (I can bring 1 10x10 EZ up) A few more would be nice.
Lets put this together!!!

[Schwemmer]

Tom

I flew the Fresno field two weeks ago. It is clay dirt that is level, with wide open spaces. That may prematurely wear the line. Just FYI. Also I would check with Tim Cone as to the Fog. I moved from Fresno quite a while ago but still remember the fog. It shouldn't be a problem in November but Tim might want to check just in case.

I dont have a plane but I could make the two days as a helper. So count me in.

Sherpa

[dlgdude]

I'd be in, but I've got a DLG contest commitment on Nov 10...

Dang, I'm going to miss out on Tim's BBQ....

-lex

[tewatson]

Come on T.E.W., she has got to understand your hobby at some point.
There is no logic involved, little compassion for anything outside the family and no tolerance for any conflicts with unilaterally established obligations (such as the annual Halloween party that will force me to miss the October F3B event).

In this case, a just-established family obligation on Nov. 11 will probably force me to miss the Distance event as well.

This is why I've only been spotted at the big two-day events for the past few years, and scant few local contests...gotta pick my lost points carefully.

Tom

[glderguy]

Sorry to hear about your delima Tom. See you someday at a 2 day in the future.
Walter

[tewatson]

I was being halfway serious there...but I really do have to work at getting out sometimes. I can't seem to win with the F3B stuff lately - every date conflicts with something else I have to do.

Tom

[mithrandir]

WOW... Tom... THAT right there is why the US struggles with F3B or F3J....
Lack of Commitment!!
I bet Tiger Woods doesn't miss the US Open because of his sisters best friends uncles ex-wife is have a cat shaving party!!!
Come on people... if you do this for leisure... Fine... But if you wanna be serious about it... you gotta BE SERIOUS!!!

Do they allow overnight camping at the Fresno Field?
Do they allow Large (2 meter @ 11 pounds/2.4Kw) electric
models to fly at their site???

Is there a map to the Fresno Field?
Could Visalia be an alternative location?

[glderguy]

If they dont allow camping at the field for this event you can camp at Millerton Lake. It is close, real close. If you look east from the field, there is the dam forming Millerton in plain, almost reach out and touch, sight. There will probably be only one campground open during the winter there so it may be best to reserve a spot if a person wants to camp there. They have bald eagles nesting there in the winter as well, one may get lucky and see them out diving on surface fish in the lake! If you want to eat close by there is a casino up the road a very short distance from the field/Millerton lake called Table Mountain Casino. They have a not the best but not too bad buffet and steakhouse.
Walter

[tewatson]

Lack of Commitment!! I bet Tiger Woods doesn't miss the US Open because of...
Nor will I jeopardize my job for such nonsense, either. But, with two young kids I can't always put flying as first priority. I'm simply lamenting the fact that the few F3B events that come up in the west lately seem to land on dates that I can't make.

Tom

[F3X]

WOW... Tom... THAT right there is why the US struggles with F3B or F3J....
Lack of Commitment!!
I bet Tiger Woods doesn't miss the US Open because of his sisters best friends uncles ex-wife is have a cat shaving party!!!
Come on people... if you do this for leisure... Fine... But if you wanna be serious about it... you gotta BE SERIOUS!!!

Do they allow overnight camping at the Fresno Field?
Do they allow Large (2 meter @ 11 pounds/2.4Kw) electric
models to fly at their site???

Is there a map to the Fresno Field?
Could Visalia be an alternative location?

Yep I know. Its a bear to get guys together. A commitment is required to get something started but lets just do it and report back on all the fun they missed! Plus schedule more events next year. There will be more dates!!

Camping? I thought you could camp right at the Lost Lake site....maybe so I will ask if its open.

[djklein21]

Sorry It has taken so long to Chime in.

David Klein
AMA# 8159
1 Winch
Estrella and Ceres
I'll try to wrangle up some help
Ch 20 and 29 (I can be on either)

Thanks Tom!!!!!!!!

[Kyle Paulson]

KP
Furio, Supra
Ch #18
1 12v battery
AMA# 701947
1 helper (Kyler)
Good for Line donation.

[tewatson]

I'm in...both days.

Name: Tom Watson
AMA #: 667724
How many winches: 1 (FAI legal), 2 batteries
Has line? How much? Can bring a few rolls of 1.25 or 1.35
Will bring a helper: Possibly
Freq 1. 18
Freq 2. 46
Freq 3. 50
Model name: Ceres

Tom

[SmokinJoe101]

Name: Joe Rodriguez
AMA #: 327768
How many winches: 1 Hi-start
Has line? How much? ???
Will bring a helper: Yes but she will be no help
Freq 1. ss
Freq 2. ss
Model name: Gentle Lady with carbon spar & glass fuse :D

[timmig]

OK--
Tim Neja
AMA# 432310
F3B Race M
F3B Trinity
I can be on any channel--I"m ON 41 with both planes
Happy to help where ever I can--- ROOKIE

Tim--- LOVE to try F3B!!

IF we can get a regular F3B thing going--be happy to invest in a winch! :D
Where to get one? :)

[FLY F3B]

Mike Smith
AMA 66953
Winches: 2 (fai legal) I have a tester too.
Line: Yes, Speedline 1.25 and 1.15mm. Can bring 10 rolls each.
Glider: Altus
Helper: No
Course beepers: yes, but for only 3 pilots at a time. One signal is dead. May be able to replace by Nov. 10.
Freq: 47 49 58 - Prefer 58 for primary freq.
Shade: Easy-up

That should about cover it ;-)

See you then.

Mike

[infopimp]

Gentle Ladies will dominate! Watch out you easy gilder pilots!

[SmokinJoe101]

sweet

[tewatson]

Gentle Ladies will dominate! Watch out you easy gilder pilots!
I would come just to watch a GL flung off of 1.15 mono and a stalled winch (assuming it didn't rip the hook out before letting go of the plane). A balsa ICBM...

Tom

[glderguy]

Walter Lynch
AMA 660908
No F3B winches
Will donate for line/etc
F3B Victor/Pike Perfect
CH50
No helper
Shade Canopy

[mithrandir]

Do they permit large electrics?
I may come out and slum for the day... flag a few flights, retrieve a couple
winch lines and fly my FUNTANA 140S during the slow moments!??!!?

If I can make the trip, I will have a 3.5 Kw generator...

[tewatson]

OK - I successfully lobbied for and was granted full attendance status. Planning on both days (signup info updated).

Tom

[darrellzaballos]

Hey Tom we can use my system if need be, it also has a speaker for prep and working time, can fly up to four pilots at a time.



Name: Darrell Zaballos
AMA #: 316694
How many winches: 2 (FAI legal), 2 batteries maybe three
Has line? How much? Can bring some if donations are possible......
Will bring a helper: no
Freq 1. 24
Freq 2. 30
Freq 3. 36
Model name: SP-1

DZ

[F3X]

Great Darrell, thanks!

[timmig]

Donations are possible!! :)
T

[FLY F3B]

Guys, DJ Klein and I were doing some brainstorming last night, and here are a couple of interesting ideas to try and incorporate into our Distance only event.

1. Come one come all - Even though this is being called a competition there is no reason for anyone to decide not to come and fly because of lack of experience....(G.L.)

2. To emphasize that point and to make the competition part even more fun and less intimidating, why not pit those with similar skills/experience together in the heats. That way one would not be stepping up against an experienced F3B'er and muttering the futility of even launching in that group. Another cool twist could be that when we organize on the first morning, everyone could drop a slip of paper into a hat that has their own name at the top, and the name of one or two people that they feel can be competitive against, and want to make as their mark to beat.

3. We would make sure that they fly against those marked guys as many times as possible. We could reassess the idea on day two, or the second half of day one for that matter, and decide to continue 'cuz everyone is having so much fun, or try another tactic 'cuz everyone is so bored..???

4. The advanced guys will help strategize, call for, and generally help the less experienced pilots. Of course, with the goal of beating the guy and his helper/caller on their list....I think this will be darn fun actually...:-)

I think the above ideas will add a sporting sense of competition across the board, and not intimidate those that might not want to come out and fly otherwise. It sort of looks like a seeded man-on-man distance event...kinda.

Enthusiastically submitted,

Mike Smith

[djklein21]

I am happy to share my MARKS with everyone.
1- That guy Mike Smith
2- Anyone with the first name Daryl

What can I say I reach high

[F3X]

Sounds great guys! Talk it up.
Remember you don't need a F3B model, many of the faster F3J ships do great in distance maybe even better than the typical F3B with the larger span and aspect ratio. You NYX, Pike Superior, Zenith, Frazer and all Tragi pilots need to come on out. Also you F3F guys with hooks, ARIS, F3F NYX, Vikings etc come on out! You are about at the right weight dry for distance!

[timmig]

Iv'e NEVER flown F3B-- and only 1 TD contest ever. :rolleyes: All my time is on the slope-- so I'll need all the help/handicap I can talk anyone into!! ;) And I think my knee is shot and my arm is broke--and I've got the wrong plane-- anyone want to race for pinks??? :p

Any of it sounds like fun--- let's just DO IT!! :D
Tim

[Kai@UCSB]

Name: Kai Yang
AMA #: 833727
How many winches: 0 (but looking for one)
Has line? How much? 0
Will bring a helper: no
Freq 1. 11
Model name: Onyx-JW F3J

-Kai

[Daryl Perkins]

Mike S - good idea. That concept is exactly like the seeded MoM TD contests flown EVERYWHERE but So Cal. I think we have a good idea how to seed the first round or two of flight groups, then you let the scores dictate the flight group guys fly in.

I don't know that referring to this as a contest is a great idea... maybe a distance fun fly.

Daryl
Freq: 58 or 900 ghz (still working on that)
Model: Skizo (pronounces Skit-Zo - as in schizophrenic)
Winch: No
Line: Yes - I'll bring some rolls
Fly Against: Anyone not named Dave

[djklein21]

Dodging me, is that why you sissied out of the Grass Mt slope race?

[glderguy]

Ive only flown one F3B contest, using the plane that eventually won the WCs.... it was called the Aquila although mine didnt have any of the Miller mods. Fred Weaver was my "instructor" for that event. How long ago you think that was??? As such I too feel qualified to be entered in the beginner class. I'm going mainly just to see how the "real" F3B pilots launch/fly/etc. Im not considering this a competition for me in any sense of the word.
Walter

[FLY F3B]

Ive only flown one F3B contest, using the plane that eventually won the WCs.... it was called the Aquila although mine didnt have any of the Miller mods. Fred Weaver was my "instructor" for that event. How long ago you think that was??? As such I too feel qualified to be entered in the beginner class. I'm going mainly just to see how the "real" F3B pilots launch/fly/etc. Im not considering this a competition for me in any sense of the word.
Walter

That is the intention Walter...Come out and fly. Any sense of competition will be by those who really want to beat that guy on their "marked" list. This is really an organized F3B distance only fun fly with points and stuff.

See you there.

Mike

[FLY F3B]

Mike S - good idea. That concept is exactly like the seeded MoM TD contests flown EVERYWHERE but So Cal. I think we have a good idea how to seed the first round or two of flight groups, then you let the scores dictate the flight group guys fly in.

I don't know that referring to this as a contest is a great idea... maybe a distance fun fly.

Daryl
Freq: 58 or 900 ghz (still working on that)
Model: Skizo (pronounces Skit-Zo - as in schizophrenic)
Winch: No
Line: Yes - I'll bring some rolls
Fly Against: Anyone not named Dave


Hey DP, I know about the seeded stuff, but for this event, the winners of the various heats will not necessarily be facing off the winners of the other heats unless they want to move up into a different level group. So, I am thinking that it is more of a touchy feely round by round self seeded man on man or TFRBRSSMOM for those that like to abbreviate :D

[FLY F3B]

Freq: 58 or 900 ghz (still working on that)



900 whooziewhatsits???? :confused:

[planekrazy]

Name: Mehrdad Amir
AMA #: 616736
How many winches: 1
Has line? No, will need
Will bring a helper: No
Freq 1. 14
Freq 2. 57
Freq 3. 23
Model name: SP-1

[F3X]

For you guys that travel by private plane, Tim Cone lives at Sierra Sky Park so I am sure travel arrangements to the flying site can be arranged.

btw. Tim flew his RV8 toady for the first time :D

[Kyle Paulson]

Ok......... I want to go against Tom Copp and have DZ, MS and DP as my coaches. Did I forget anyone? :D

[nickk]

Having seen how the pros do F3B I know I will regret this but I want to give it a shot. Count me in.

Name: Nick Kassem
AMA #: 755630
Freq 1. CH. 35
Freq 2. Synth.
Model name: Pike Giant, Pike Sup.

Cheers,
Nick

[jtlsf5]

I guess I've sat on the sidelines long enough. If work doesn't get in the way, I'll play.

Name: Jim Thomas
AMA 39511
Freq. 1 54
Freq. 2 38
Line: Some old, no idea what diameter
Winch: Yeah, not F legal
Model name: Pike Superior, Supra

JT

[MarcusT]

What the heck . . . haven't done any B in a while, but might be fun.

Name: Mark Triebes
AMA 220726
Freq: 2.4 Ghz
Winch: yes
Line: no
Planes: Caliber, Tempest

Mark

[FLY F3B]

Great guys. Nice to see even the reluctant soles say they want to come out. If your winch is not F3B legal, bring it, but we want to try not to use it as it usually is way more powerful than legal B winches.

Nick, Mark T. and JT - glad you are going to come give it a go. It will be a hoot no matter what!

See you soon.

Mike

PS, Nice team Kyle :)

[jtlsf5]

MS,
Ah, but normal winch with dacron can't compete with B winch/mono at same line length, no?

Mark, want to go down together? Give me a call if so.

JT

[FLY F3B]

You are correct JT, but what fun is it to launch on anything other than Mono....I mean, really!!! ;)

MS

[djklein21]

I am getting even more excited

[jtlsf5]

DJ,
Down boy, you'll blow a gasket before Visalia.
JT

[MarcusT]

Mark, want to go down together? Give me a call if so.

Hey Old Man . . . Ill probably bring the wife and 9 kids along in the RV, but I'll let you know if that changes.

Mark

[mithrandir]

900 whooziewhatsits???? :confused:

Is XPS that close to this yet?

[Daryl Perkins]

Is XPS that close to this yet?

Not sure if it's for public knowledge (I guess it is now - :p ) I hope to test one in my newest model next week.

dp

[djklein21]

Not sure if it's for public knowledge (I guess it is now - :p ) I hope to test one in my newest model next week.

dp
In my UAV flight experiance, 900MHz has been better in a carbon environment (compared to 2.4GHz)

[mithrandir]

In my UAV flight experiance, 900MHz has been better in a carbon environment (compared to 2.4GHz)

It is just better from an antenna standpoint.
Also.. for a fixed power output, lower freq = more range.

Tell Jim and Scott Mike says Hi!!! lol

[F3X]

If your coming add your name to the list please. We are ON for the event!!
The Oct F3B is postponed so go out and practice a little distance even with your AMA winch. You TD guys get some ballast in those F3J ships and do a few laps. It looks like we will put F3J vs. F3J and F3B with F3B models for the most part. Now you have NO reason not to attend!!!!

See you.

[tewatson]

Location and proposed times?

Tom

[F3X]

Location and proposed times?

Tom

Fresno Field. Lost Lake Park, CA http://maps.google.com/maps?f=s&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-google-gm&utm_medium=ha&utm_term=maps

Times: 9:00 start. Finish when we are tired! Fresno is about 4 hours from Costa Mesa so a early drive up Sat am for some in SoCal, Or stay at a local hotel. Plenty Motels on Blackstone at the north end of town.

[Bryan Quick]

Lost Lake Park is in the upper left hand corner here:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=s&ie=UTF8&ll=36.976227,-119.73278&spn=0.065963,0.1157&z=13&om=1

I caught a few bass out of that lake a couple of times.

[timmig]

So--this Saturday is the event? Any additional flying on Sunday?

T

OK OK--- this thread is SOO old I thought the date wasn't here. Looks like Nov 10 and 11th ;)

[tewatson]

I thought this event was two days - November 10-11...

Tom

[Silent-AV8R]

Huh?? This Saturday is September 29. Subject line says November 10-11, which is a Saturday & Sunday.

I will come up in November, can't go this weekend!!

Bill Malvey
Channel 05, or any other channel 00 to 09 (50,000,000 hertz band)

F3? NYX (80 ounce Carbon D-tube I think)

No winch (I'll bring the Real Balls for fun, the Wench likes them!!))

No mono (got shots for that already)

[F3X]

I thought this event was two days - November 10-11...

Tom

It is!

[Chlorinator]

I ' ll try it.

AMA # 114309
Experience Pro
no winch
will contribute

Thanks, Keith FSS

[Schwemmer]

Tom,

Ill be there as a helper can you give me an idea of what I will be doing to help?

Sherpa

[djklein21]

Sherpa-
I know we will need helpers to sit on the sites and push buttons for the turns. Tom is overseas but I am sure he will check in to comment.

[Schwemmer]

Thanks I just wanted to know what to bring. So far on my list, chair, canopy, ice chest, hmmm what else? :)

Sherpa

[planekrazy]

Sherpa,

Thanks for coming out to help us. Your list looks good, would also consider adding: sun glasses, sunscreen and lip sun block, hat/cap, water, snacks, and possibly camera.

Maybe you remember me heading to SouthWest Classic last February? It will be good meeting you again, this time under slightly different circumstances ;)

Regards,

Mehrdad

[jgs99v]

Does anyone have recommendations on local accomodations?