ID these TD nostaligia class planes

[Twinboom]

Thought someone out there could help ID these two planes. I took them out of the attic this weeekend. I asked a friend to ID them, and he will have first dibs on them, If he is not intrested, I'll be offering them up in the sale area when I find out what they are.

The blue one has a glass fuse, and is 97 1/2 inches measured across the top of the wing between the wingtips. It has has what feels to be dowels across the leading edge as opposed to "D" type LE. The stabs are removable, and tips roll up on the wingtips.

The white and orange one is 99" across the top of the wing between the wing tips. It has a Balsa fuse, and typical built up wing that appears have the "D" tyype :E. Structurally they look to be pretty good. Center section wing, with the tips being removable at the poly-dihedral break.


Both canopies are currently missing. They will both need to be recovered. They both have full flying stabs. Thanks for your time. As always, thanks for your help.

Doug B.

[Ollie]

http://www.rcmmagazine.com/store/store-plans-catalog-tem.html?item=plans:pl-596&sid=0001EWxnPhYqbT8j389o4r7

http://www.rcmmagazine.com/store/store-plans-catalog-tem.html?item=plans:pl-861&sid=0001EWxnPhYqbT8j38615S4

[cosmicpossum]

Seconds on the Aquilla!

[rvsixer]

This is what an Aquila looks like:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1355825

The blue/silver one pictured does not match in wingspan, wing planform, tail feather shape/mounting, etc.

[fnnwizard]

This is what an Aquila looks like:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1355825

The blue/silver one pictured does not match in wingspan, wing planform, tail feather shape/mounting, etc.

Thats blue silver one is definitely an Aquila. The rudder was fix to make it fly better.

[erich]

The stab on an Aquila is higher up and it's LE is forward of the fin LE. Which is not the case with blue plane. Forward part of fuselage (blue one) does look like an Aquila, however. As to what the planes are...haven't a clue.

erich

[Ed Franz]

Blue one might be an Pantera.

Ed

[Norm Furutani]

I'm thinking the blue one is a LJMP Pantera, too. All I can go off is the characteristic triangle shaped fin.

The other is a Slobod Gemini MTS

Norm

[s2000]

The blue is maybe an Aquila with a modified tail, I cut the LJMP kits and I can tell you no way is that a Pantera fuselage, but the wings and stab do look like a Pantera. The other one is a Gemini.

[cosmicpossum]

True, the Aquila's elevator is mid-mounted full-flying. This one appears to be a standard T-tail. I'd still be interested. Might be a hybrid.

[rvsixer]

Thats blue silver one is definitely an Aquila. The rudder was fix to make it fly better.
Definitely gotta' disagree...the changes I see from a real Aquila (I built one and flew it for over 10 years, now my ex-wife's son flys it):
1) The wings are shorter
2) The poly break is in the wrong location
3) The tail mount is very different from the stock Aquila setup
4) The Aquila has a full flying vertical stab (not the much smaller stab/rudder on this model, btw the full flying stab works fantastic no mods needed)
5) The horizontal stabilizers are a completely different shape

Those are the main things that I see that distinguish this glider from an Aquila. I have no idea what this model is :) .

[fnnwizard]

Definitely gotta' disagree...the changes I see from a real Aquila (I built one and flew it for over 10 years, now my ex-wife's son flys it):
1) The wings are shorter
2) The poly break is in the wrong location
3) The tail mount is very different from the stock Aquila setup
4) The Aquila has a full flying vertical stab (not the much smaller stab/rudder on this model, btw the full flying stab works fantastic no mods needed)
5) The horizontal stabilizers are a completely different shape

Those are the main things that I see that distinguish this glider from an Aquila. I have no idea what this model is :) .

Well after taking a closer look, I have to agree that it is definitely NOT a standard Aquila...

I went to pull out my original plans and see the difference in the poly break. The original wings were about 47.5" per panel not including the tips.

The panel poly breaks are about 30" from the root. The fuse adds about 3" to the winspan which would be roughly ~98" projected.

The fuse is 46.5" from nose to TE of rudder. Each stab half is 12" long. That should be enough info to see if its close. The fuse looks like the fiberglass one. It is not the builtup wood one. Oh yeah, the flying stab is mounted about an inch above the fuse into the V Stab.

I had one way back and landed it in a swamp/lake in Yorkville IL. Had less than 10 flights on it. I was teaching people how to fly on behalf of Whitt's hobby shop. Believe it was 4th July weekend 1986. :)... Ahh the memories...

[glderguy]

Craft Air Eagle or Golden Eagle????

[BenH]

The blue one looks rather like a Craft Air product to me. Poly breaks halfway out each wing, turbulator spars, wide chord, big stab. I think Craft Air made at least one 100" plane with a fiberglass fuse, although I can't recall seeing any in real life. Could it be an SD-100? Or a Golden Eagle or something like that? Memory fails me . . . (The fin/rudder look somewhat odd, however.)
-Ben

[Twinboom]

Well gents, looks like you guys know your stuff. I will measure the wing panels tomorrow, and also the Horizontal stab panels. I noted in the pictures that both have full flying horizontal stabs, they both have a typical rudder hinged about half way in the middle of the vert stab. I'll measure some more things tomorrow. I got them out, shot a couple of pics, and put them back up in the attic of the garage. The blue one definately has a glass fuse, the white an orange one is built up of Balsa, standard formers and doublers on the longerons.....

If you need any other specific things to ID them let me know. I'm putting up river rock on the side of my house so the garage is a mess. I don't want to leave anything down there that might get cracked up. As it is, they will both need to be recovered. Thanks for all your input.....let me know what else you need....going with what Ben said about Craftair, I'd think that might be more along the lines. I seem to remeber my buddy saying something about one of them being some sort of eagle or another. I'll see if I can get a hold of him. He's in OK now. Thanks again,

Doug B.
Inland Slope Rebels

[glderguy]

Dating myself but the stab looks very much like what some of the Craft Air planes used. I had a few of em in my day.
Walter

[Mr. Kite]

The Blue one looks like a Golden Eagle with a mod tail

[Twinboom]

My buddy was out from OKlahoma lastw eekend, and attended the Little Mountain Nostlgia day with me. We were the ones flying the big Gnome if any of you were there. At any rate, he built both of these lanes. The yellow, orange, and white he said is a Gemini. The blue one is a hybrid. IT has an Aquila fuse and tail group, but has wings off of a Viking. So, a lot of you8 were right!!! :eek: Thanks for your time in assisting with this.

I gave the Gemini to my buddy Dave Masssongil. Unfortunately, it went in and broke the fuse in half back by the tail group. It will fly again........

Doug Blackburn

I threw some shots of the big Gnome in for old times sake.